BANDS ACCUSED: Burger Records sexual misconduct scandal & My Story! A garage rock scene imploding...

[@cholesteroyal]

literally the only video i could find covering this, thank you so much

[@osi_ossi-9062]

I think “ouja beach“ made one to this topic a couple of days ago

[@vdoza33]

There’s plenty of articles if you’re literate.

[@robbiematthews6827]

This is unfucking believeble I can’t grasp the fact that some of the bands I loved are predators

[@happinesshotel5375]

@@robbiematthews6827 yeah don't forget Elvis and basically every band from the early days. They were all dating 14-year-olds when they were 20 and 30.

[@atomicriffsofficial]

I'm from Argentina and I listening to some bands related to Burger Records and I thought it was a cool scene, even influenced me with the DIY, making my own cassettes but now all of this shocks me, it's really a disgreatful for all the music! This predators make rock an unsafe place and hurt the scene for the people that just love that kind of music and want to express themself, not beign sexual assaulted by this sick men. I really appreciate your story and your strength to sharing it, my heart is with you and all of the victims, women, girls and childs that went on this horrible experiences.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

Thank you. hopefully we can change things for the better

[@cactussmitho9875]

Momento dou

[@OrdoAbChao-kg5rf]

@@ThePsychedelicCherry maybe one day, these girls will stop putting themselves in compromising situations. Accountability is all.

[@FHSBlackSwarm]

@@OrdoAbChao-kg5rf so many women who frontlined this movement are also abusers. I know this from personal experience. They didn't send me a weird dm either. A few of them touched me when I didn't consent to being touched and one even called me a pussy (before all this cancel bullshit) for telling her I usually ask women if I can kiss them before I went in for it. Her excuse was "dude I was younger and didn't know any better back then" like dude no you were already an adult. What kind of backwards bullshit is that? Let's take away someone's livelihood for making YOU feel uncomfortable but when YOU do something bad it's just because your mind was in a different place at the time? With all that said, I do believe men are more perverted. I'm not going to say more abusive because women can get away with punching you square in the mouth (another thing I know from experience) just we aren't allowed to talk about those things because then we are "pussies" Just seems like this video caters to people who want to be victims. I've been sexually abused, as a child, not a 16 17 or 18 year old. Nobody cared. Have been jumped on 2 occasions (if you ask me, that's assault on the top tier) nobody cared Been cheated on and taken advantage of. The girl who did this to me gave me the clap and after she was thrown out of her home and I made the decision to get us an apartment, things didn't work out because I was the problem and according to her friends, she had to put up with a lot from me. What? Drinking? Sorry I couldn't cope with the fact you were fucking the entire town and getting a round of applause for it. 2020 or 2021 wasn't "the gift that keeps giving" it was too many people stuck at home that wanted to be apart of something. Nobody was charged. Why's that?

[@willflint5014]

The lead of the Frights talked to his victim and put out a strong genuine apology. They did a joint post on insta. That doesn’t make what happened go away but I am happy to see someone do the mature thing and own up and apologize. I don’t know if there any more victims regarding him. I don’t really know the names of the people in these bands as I don’t view them as my favorites or anything. Hearing about all these bands almost caused me to vomit. I was just singing Growler songs in the car a few days ago.

[@dwi117]

Thank you for covering this, I played in a Burger Band that broke up in 2017 & my bandmate was named in this scandal!...What I experienced in this music scene was enough to make me walk away from a lifetime spent in DIY music out of disgust...It left me feeling powerless & when I tried to speak out about it I was immediately maligned & slandered od blamed for the actions of my very toxic & abusive ex-bandmate...I’m so sorry to hear your experiences were so similar to mine 😣❤️

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

sorry you went through that. it's been too long.

[@hamburgergloves9543]

So is this the reason "Part Time"''s music has been fucking disappearing off of music streaming services?

[@dannyapeshit]

I remember me and my band played a show one time at Burger Records for our EP release. We all got the vibe they didn't like us for some reason. So we obviously were not even invited to the back room. I just remember they had this strange older guy who seemed like some kind of tweaker who was working there. I remember he passed out during our show. Weird dude but whatever. Besides that there was another weird thing I remember. After the show when we were loading up our equipment we were talking casually to one another about the show and what not, then one of their staff came to us and told us to be quiet because there is a church next door having mass. And I just thought "wtf, there's a church next door that can't be disturbed by people talking outside in a normal tone voice but yet they have shows daily here?" lol. It didn't make any sense at all haha. Such a weird place. I had no idea how much more creepy it was than I had already believed.

[@dannyapeshit]

@Nexus Six Idk, I'm not well acquainted with any of the newer Burger bands.

[@jacobbennett6861]

The tweaked dude your talking about is Bryan he was basically the reason they opened the store he was the record curator and brought in the first collection they start selling. Wasn’t a tweaker just a weird dude. Sad when someone is at his own place of work and is tired that he gets called a tweaker because he can be himself and pass out after working probably 12 hours. Fucking ridiculous

[@dannyapeshit]

@@jacobbennett6861 Relax haha. I don't even think simply being a tweaker is even a bad thing. I've met some good tweakers in my lifetime. I just thought he was crashing from a comedown. Why was he working 12 hours? that seems messed, poor guy. Glad to hear his back story tho, tell me more.

[@Roobieboobie]

@@jacobbennett6861 do you know why maybe he was being an asshole?

[@mrreoww]

I’m so glad The Garden spoke out about this. Some of their songs including their individual ones from Puzzle and Enjoy got taken down though :((

[@inezaguilar9238]

I saw! So sad :(

[@christopherestrada2474]

We’re The Garden accused?

[@pompadour7481]

Christopher Estrada no

[@manueellls]

Pompadour thank god holy shit. i would’ve been so bummed out

[@xxalannahbathoryxx3202]

Wait what the garden had accusations made against them to what the hell?

[@nagway3428]

Fidlar aren’t one of the accused they were only Brought up to show how horrid mikey carnevale from the frights was because he got zac from fidlar back into drugs after he just came out of rehab.

[@wisef00l76]

source?

[@nagway3428]

wiseF00L it was a misunderstanding twitter.com/destroyeboys/status/1285496702733094912?s=21

[@BLOOMDAWG]

@@nagway3428 this chick May would never correct her mistake though, doesn't fit the narrative

[@panam4redd]

Thank fuck, FIDLAR are good guys, glad they're not caught up in that mess.

[@Puppy_Puppington]

You brought the dude that was making you feel uncomfortable and touching you forcefully to your moms home in a dark room? And near a 16 year old :( dang dude what the fudge

[@davidsosa2307]

Man once I got the news I thought "this is probably how Rome felt when they found out that the priests were diddling the kids!". I was a big fan for a while, and even played at their store once with a band I was in, wanting to be part of the festivals or shows they curate. But, thinking back of playing and going to their shows and noticing that the people there are made up teenagers that are really impressionable and most likely doing drugs and pounding beers mingling with people twice their age, its a real volatile environment.

[@z1lla4]

Makes me want to give up on the entire genre as a whole

[@barakabrown]

Of all the places I’ve been Orange County is the one I’ve smoked the strongest pot I just wanted to say that so thank you for listening

[@C00ltube]

I remember when the burger/show scene broke out, and I was always at every show too and the first thing I noticed was this activity going around and I thought it was disgusting, and I always told people about this but no one believes me and that’s why stopped going to these shows and sure enough these stories started coming out. It’s crazy

[@bettysmith8939]

Hi May, Sexual harassment exists everywhere! I was a vocalist in Las Vegas back in the 90's and early 2000's. The great casting couch is still in existance. I worked for an agent who preyed on young females. He would promise them work in exchange for sexual favors. I knew of band leaders who would do the same thing to females who really wanted to be in bands. This also happened to me on quite a few occasions. I really wanted to be in the business but I would never stoop that low. I'm not going to judge another person for doing it but that was not the roil for me. I am glad that people are starting to be held accountable for their actions. It's no longer OK to sweep it under the rug. I hope that people will think twice before trying to take advantage of another human being.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

damn right

[@skysawing]

This is the most measured/well spoken things I've seen on the topic. I understand many of the victims/people speaking out on this are extremely pissed off (rightfully so) so while they are in a defensive position - it may come off as an outward attack naming/canceling people (not saying this is wrong - I have no idea how I would react in this situation, I'm sure I'd be fucking furious too and asking for accountability), but your demeanor here I think (I HOPE) will allow more people to listen & learn.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

thanks!

[@King-bp6gu]

Thanks for talking about this and sharing your experience! I’ve been trying to get a grasp on everything that’s going on with this situation, but I haven’t really seen anyone talking about it on this platform, so thanks for speaking up

[@jackdencoole]

My heart broke when i saw banes world and orwells on the list. They were legit the ones who made me like alt/indie/garage music. Cant really look at them the same way as before now :(

[@sundazed2975]

Try circa survive

[@KingBoner]

Ty Segall, Wavves, Fidlar, King Tuff, Together Pangea, Bass drum of Death are cooler anyway

[@biancamarie749]

You articulated this so eloquently, and managed to hit the points in a genuine, and human way. Thank you for sharing this, as well as your own personal experiences. I'm truly hoping we can move forward from this in the most positive manner possible

[@Salamander676]

Pretty much every indie artist I listen to is a statuary predator. Great It doesn’t help that this has gone on for so long, so it’s been normalized within the entire entertainment industry at this point

[@NyqWill95]

Fuck, it breaks my heart. These bands and this label had something good going and they just ended their careers just like that. I feel ashamed to know I used to look up to these assholes and the creeps they signed.

[@bigpimpin110011]

Good for you making this video. Must be hard knowing people you knew were doing this. Let's hope this leads to women knowing they can always be listened to when they talk about these issues. Can only hope these men face the full force of the law

[@jodiemae6687]

Thank you for sharing your story! I loved your whole post, you found the words to express the complicated feelings a lot of people have with this whole situation. ❤️

[@michaelmoyer5743]

Thank you for your story. Shed a lot of light

[@MicLitter]

Dude, this was SO well done. I am officially a new subscriber. I can tell this was very painful for you and not at all easy, but very honest, open and informative. I had only just heard about this & not a lot of info was really out there.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

❤

[@kaede9214]

Remo Drive’s “Song of the Summer” is rly hitting different right now...

[@ariscales8074]

thank you so much for sharing this and I thought you worded everything beautifully. I don't have any connections to Burger records but my hometown of Boise Idaho is having a much similar issue were abusive band members are taking advantage of young kids and I've been that young girl getting sexually assaulted by a band member. If we can't fix this we lose it all and you are totally right 100%

[@dreamymimiasmr8848]

when I heard about the stuff that Shane Blanchard from Bane's World did I was devastated... that was my favorite band and I promise you I cannot find any music as dreamy as the stuff they made. it's a shame

[@9graff9]

What did he do?

[@Slothretro]

I met No Parents back stage one time. They seemed VERY COCKY and didn’t want to talk to me because I wasn’t some groupie. They came off as rich spoiled band. I grew up with no silver spoon in mouth so the vibes I got from the band was they didn’t care they just wanted to be center of attention. Punk and metal comes in waves and I hope this “garage scene” fades away like most scenes.

[@barrettreynolds8575]

thank you for telling your story and bringing a lot of awareness to the situation.

[@cranklabexplosion-labcentr8245]

The amount of sexual misconduct coming out the past few years is sickening. How do we single out these types of sub human and expose them? This shit NEEDS to stop

[@damagedbug8848]

Yeah but also everyone knows all the stories of Bowie, Mick Jagger and Led Zeppelin yet no one gives a shit

[@AspenEmrys]

My Fukushima Leaks Every Time She Says Power This shit is fucking nuclear waste

[@abrahamjacobfriedman]

How about "ALSO," instead of "BUT?"

[@damagedbug8848]

@@abrahamjacobfriedman If i edit it.. your comment will disappear...

[@abrahamjacobfriedman]

@@damagedbug8848 I wasn't suggesting you do, I just think it's an important distinction to make, especially if you do believe that older "legendary" artists should be held accountable in some way for the ways they abused their fans. I'll leave it up to you.

[@s2sHoXXs2]

@@damagedbug8848 also no, if you edit a comment, the replies dont disappear. but what the other person is saying, is that the way you worded your original statement made it seem like youre trying to dismiss this whole thing with "whataboutism". not saying thisbis your actual intention, but it comes off that way

[@zzzwy777]

I'm very sorry for what you went thru , rape seems to be rampant all over the place , i got assaulted by guys and girls before and each time i managed to push them away and tried to forget about it , I'm a male and it happens this type of thing seems to happens to guys as much as ladies but the thing is a guy will never even try to accept what happened or think about it . The feeling of going thru such an experience in my case was confusion like wft i wasn't expecting such things and then a kind of shame of why it happened to me , like was it my fault even tho i knew it wasn't. It also happened to two of my sisters and and many friends so something i will say is if this kind of shit happens to you , yell , scream , tell them to fuck off and tell EVERYONE what happened as rapey douchebags keep on doing it because no one exposes them for what they do. Keep positive ,and look after one another . Peace.

[@KingBoner]

Word man, word

[@carlosmontufar1096]

Part time. :(

[@zippymufo9765]

This was terrible news when it first came out. It's just nuts that people could get away with sexual assault and rape.

[@WeenieHut_Sr]

I always knew something was off about the scene when I was like 19 or so. I’m 24 now and hearing about The Growlers and The Buttertones getting accused is really not surprising to me. I was never the type to get stuck in a scene because I listen to all kinds of music and I have my own style but some of the people I grew up with in high school stayed in that SoCal garage rock scene (which is the best tag for this scene btw I always just called it beach goth or whatever) and they never grew out of it. I’m sorry to say it like that but I mean how many rock bands that all sound the same are you gonna listen to until you just get sick of it? Anyway I ran into this girl I use to talk to and when I asked her how she was, she was starting this band and they got a spot to play in some little show Burger was putting together at the Bootleg or one of those tiny venues that’s popular with their demographic. Of course I said I would be there to check it out and support :) when the day of the show got closer, they canceled. I hit her up and asked what happened and she said she’d rather not talk about it. Later I ran into her friend and her friend said that she felt super uncomfortable with the entire scene her and her band were getting into. Apparently some dude from one of the bands was hitting on her sister like HARD and she was only 16. He knew that but proceeded to flirt anyway. And some other things occurred which I’m gonna try not to exploit so much of her experience. But anyway point is, the instincts that I had in my early college years that something was weird about this scene were on point. And seeing the downfall of burger and their bands just further cements my instincts were right lol. Good riddance too.

[@KingBoner]

If you think all garage music sounds the same you just listen to shit garage music, the buttertones and the growlers both suck.

[@brettrosenberg]

19:35 nailed it

[@davisgwynn4295]

Coming back to this after following the entire thing since it started. Although the initial Instagram account blew up a bit, it felt like not enough people were talking about it. Thank you.

[@kelligravano6692]

Also would like to say that it seems this scene had a lot of "Paternos" and "Sanduskys" running around. The former like Sean turning a blind eye because he had a cool job and didn't want to piss off his friends. The latter of course being sickos who are making excuses by saying they were victims with ptsd once too. I assumed since this was in the western part of the country and was seemingly friendly to female bands with burger a go go festivals that this was a scene similar to K records or Kill rock stars. Far from it! I had no idea. I read a 2012 Vice interview today with Lee and Sean where they were joking about teen girls and sex. My takeway is that it's important moving forward to do due diligence that has anything to do with men in entertainment even as a fan. It's sad that it's come to this, but I only listen to female bands on female labels.

[@pmelby4569]

i really don’t like the lynch mob mentality of this whole thing. i can’t see instantly diving in on something that I’m not sure of. For me, one thing is certain. This whole presentation is very creepy.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

​ @P Melby I would suggest you read the very long insta-story section on Burger Records on the lured_by_burger IG account. There is an overwhelming an heart breaking number of horrifying stories. Sometimes all it takes is for a few people to come forward for the rest of us to speak up about our own experiences.

[@Jay_Reatard]

I'm skeptical of this too as I have not seen any solid proof, just a ton of stories that could be made up for all I know. But the thing that makes me believe them so far is that none of the accused have denied it or given some kind of evidence to discredit those stories against them. I also know of one artist/band who has yet to be accused, but has just recently deactivated their FB page and IG so I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them get called out soon.

[@wallydavisjr]

What band??

[@9graff9]

All them burger bands always gave out a rapey/trust fund brat vibes..

[@circycle]

Thank you so much for sharing this

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

it was time.

[@kristinkraus3585]

Lured By Burger is run by The Aquadolls... I was on their side until they blocked me from everything... Didn't realize they were trying to keep it a secret and I don't know why....

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

If this is true I was not aware of this.

[@isabelecalazans1236]

I’m so so sorry. I’m familiar with where you come from and thank you so much for making this video.

[@robbiematthews6827]

This is so disgusting like I loved a lot of bands on this label not anymore I like your profile photo lol trippy but shit like I can’t believe this shit

[@kelligravano6692]

Wow. So horrible. I corresponded with Sean and never knew.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

Somehow I didn't know either.

[@spreadinnglsh]

long live to Part Time!!!! an amazing band... make just a half of their work and then talk shit... art is far beyond these bulshit coments... oh I'm still can see the videos from Charles manson, so there is no reason to take the part time songs off the platforms.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

Interesting take. It makes for a good discussion about separation of art from artist. I think it's likely they have been taken down because they would still see revenue from it. Whereas Charlie Manson is gone. But I'll admit, I haven't just thrown away all my records. If I threw away every record of a band with assault stories, Id probably only have one or two left.

[@juliomontano94]

This doesn't surprise me, most Burger Bands give off a rapey vibe...

[@theelizabethband8271]

What is your band name?

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

The May Company

[@leesaunders1930]

hey cherry, did the band part time get accused of sexual misconduct with minors? I keep hearing they did but I cant find anything on them.

[@leae3750]

Yes, david loca.

[@HeathenDeluxe]

Yikes... is this an indictment on Burger or the Orange county scene as a whole? Or both?

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

maybe both. But ya know, I was a part of this scene so it's not meant as a crucifixion.

[@alrightspider9930]

Burger was just the watered down “psyche surf cutey pie” garbage part of Orange County aimed at teenagers. There are a lot of normal bands playing rock, metal, punk, hip hop and stuff that don’t target young people. All ages shows used to be cool. It’s a shame. Not saying that there aren’t predators in every scene or every walk of life for that matter but the Burger thing seemed like it was not even about the music but the life style. I feel bad for some of our buddies who are being lumped in with this because they signed with Burger. Thank you for bravely posting your story. The hookup scene is so messed up. It’s all about love and friendship with our group of friends. If I saw someone getting assaulted at one of our shows or parties, the assaulter would be permanently banned. We play packed venues with bands like Fu Manchu and Supersuckers and never saw shit like this at all. Hope I didn’t go on too long. Respect!

[@melissaann8550]

I just saw this and am confused.... are we saying that everyone in the entire band from your list is accused of sexual assault? Or are we saying there’s at least one person in each band and assuming that the other band mates KNEW because I would be willing to debate that. Follow stories of prominent similar stories and people close to those committing crimes didn’t always know. Again, you clarified that no charges have been pressed?.....

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

there is at least one person accused. I will not be naming individuals here because I don't want to be sued.

[@BLOOMDAWG]

@@ThePsychedelicCherry yet people side with women because of female privelege. Double standards all around this whole thing.

[@n8withan839]

damn this blows, I grew up around so much of this music. deep down I knew the bands were shady (especially btones) but it sucks to see it be officially brought to light. goodbye la rock /:

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

don't say goodbye to LA/OC rock. just support the many bands in this scene that were good people. it is still most of them.

[@Salamander676]

Honestly this works out! This allows more decent people who never got a chance to finally share their art with the world. They finally have a chance to be heard!

[@Salamander676]

What made the Buttertones seem shady? I always felt like that about the growlers

[@gretagrumps7703]

So you think burger records was aware and making it easier for artist to do this?or do you think just because the genre and lifestyle of the Garage bands that’s why so many were on burger records label? I feel bad for the women but burger records has created a lot of good and I don’t know if they should be taking all the blame for individuals actions.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

unfortunately Lee and Sean are now accused as well.

[@pmelby4569]

i really don’t like the lynch mob mentality of this whole thing. i can’t see instantly diving in on something that I’m not sure of. For me, one thing is certain. This whole presentation is very creepy.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

​@@pmelby4569 I would suggest you read the very long insta-story section on Burger Records on the lured_by_burger IG account. There is an overwhelming an heart breaking number of horrifying stories. Sometimes all it takes is for a few people to come forward for the rest of us to speak up about our own experiences.

[@bloopledoopdoop6200]

This video came up when I was looking up Jeff Rosenstock on KZbin and I had a fucking heart attack. I watched the whole thing just praying that Jeff had nothing to do with this and thank god he didn’t. He’s a big feminist so it was confusing to me when this came up under my search but I’m glad that he has no part in this. To all the victims that are proven to have been mistreated, my thoughts and prayers go out to you

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

man the youtube algorhythm is crazy.

[@wyattshook2775]

What a shame, they had something going. I never really listened to any of the bands accused though, always thought the guy from the growlers was kinda creepy.

[@wyattshook2775]

HUMANPART MEDIA DIVISION i think its mental illness

[@MrKenneffdupriest]

heard alotta bad shit about burger. Thanks for putting this up

[@birdsamora9925]

Remember guys innocent until proven guilty but everyone should be heard and the authorities should be contacted against these people.

[@beatnik111]

am really sorry to here this

[@ozvwrld]

Man this sucks, sorry to all the victims and yourself. Love all these bands sucks to see this scene implode rn since i think we can all say this scene and music really helped a lot us. Until all this is resolved i wont be listening to the people on this list. An updated list would be cool. Lastly lets make this scene better again before we find a cure for this covid.

[@DaveAnchovies]

This is NOT the normal, ive been into garagey music and am only familiar with 2 bands here. I notice one missing. Buger does NOT represent the garage-punk scene, not even in SoCal....In The Red has been around almost 30 years (many bands are not young, trendy men), GONER, Slovenly, etc...these guys are bandwagon jumpers with plenty of money. These bands do NOT represent that scene! F Burger!

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

Burger is was actually pretty broke. But I agree! There were plenty of garage rock punk and psyche bands out here that were not predators. Even a lot of the bands on burger would good people. We won't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[@WhoIsEwwet]

Chris Runners from Inner Wave was kicked out of the band in early 2019.

[@Puppy_Puppington]

I used to look up at the stage and admire cherry glazerrr. What the fudge man. I thought the bassist was shaped like a Greek god and the singer a goddess. I wonder what really happened but it’s not my business & we’ll never really know. Sucks that people can be evil. I know many jerks have used people in music. But thankfully many people still have good memories of that time period with good music. I shall do my best to separate the human beings from the art. In all of history I’m sure almost all artists have secrets that if we connected to the music … we’d never be able to listen to music again lol. There will always be evil people with power. The people in burger who abused their power are on the lower end of power but had an easy source of something they wanted. I’m sure they already had stuff, but they got power hungry or something. Idk how people can be like that. Is it how they were raised? Weren’t they taught respect? Was it the social differences and educations? Why do people have kids if they’re not going to raise them right? It’s not hard respecting others like wtf. I don’t know a single kid who was not taught to respect others & also about the dangers of people who want to abuse you or use you. Maybe they didn’t have a good connection with their family or soemthin idk. If your family doesn’t teach you the world will in the cruelest of ways

[@sevgix7305]

Is "the symposium" involved in this?? O.O

[@AceFurley]

now that i'm 52 (and old enough to be afraid of teenagers!) i can now care less about any ridicule for admitting this! (lest I ruin my reputation as "god's gift to women" AKA "A legend in my own mind") But, as a 100% socially awkward/ clueless man, i've never made a pass at a women since I cannot read the signs of flirting to save my life! (less I end up one of the guys you are talking about) Which has led to being a running gag amoung the 3 women i've been in relationships with (2 long term and 1 10 year un-successful marriage- an anomily since i seem to be the only monogamous/faithful touring rock/punk/etc. drummer in western civilization!) In that to make it clear to me that when they were interested, they basically had to "attack" me-but in a non-creepy way! (can't think of the right word to descibe my "de-flowering") My mother even once brought the subject up to my wife on our wedding day, on how she managed to "catch" me, considering my shyness/weirdness. which, to put it mildly, is very, very VERY awkward to have your mom discussing your sex life!!!! Anyway, that's my confession. I'm sorry you and other women have to go through this. I wish we would/could grow up, and make this a thing of the past, but unfortunately, we men are only slightly higher up on the evolutionary scale than the average dog that lives solely to hump legs and eat(and, with the gift of opposable thumbs, play doom metal!). Cheers!

[@e404presents]

thankyou for sharing your experience.

[@averymancine1008]

its a shame cause part time does in fact have great music... hes since created his own label and hes back on spotify. although i believe separating the artist from the art, this is different. i guess its listening to youtube uploads of his music for me

[@comptonlocc9145]

What ska band was it ?

[@PHAEDRIDER]

i called this shit back in the mid 2000s . there was something i just did not like about that whole scene . people pretty much treated me like a "grumpy,gatekeeping old man a la "you little shits, get off my lawn"" it was nt just corny and fake to me. there was something about these guys that pissed me off . when the shit hit the fan i not only felt heartbroken for these victims i felt vindicated. well, vindicated is an understatement . i cheered. watching burger records crash and burn was awesome. i wanted to see the people who did this get locked up.

[@Lensonable]

Never heard of Burger Records until the implosion. This looks like such a middle class, post ironic, obscure scene (and you would assume attract considerate, sophisticated, thoughtful people). The shear volume of accusations and few admissions from Burger artists clearly indicate a very toxic culture existed. I think the fact that there were all ages shows were a HUGE factor in creating an environment for this occur. Going further any scene or record label which wanted to have this would have to his this would have to be very self aware - this potential for abuse/coercion is colossal. I also think you made some interesting analysis about geeky, insecure men at high school (I was one myself) thrust into status and admiration and then perhaps ? feeling owed something. Also the cliches, attitudes (lack of women's rights, macho culture, drug and alcohol misuse) associated with 'garage rock' may also be a factor. I can see how difficult this is for you and making you reassess your own history and relationships with Burger affiliated bands/people, especially in light of your own similar abuse. Well done for being brave and doing so and really trying to unpack the factors and causes which allowed this to happen.

[@gomerhanger2285]

Lol! I never got into the Burger Records scene.

[@SartorialisticSavage65]

Thanks for sharing this video.

[@iscreamuscream7703]

Hey you are really cool and I’ve literally just found your account right now but I’m gonna ask still where are you?

[@hamburgertime709]

I'm glad you made a video about this. Just sucks there's barely any I could find here in KZbin about burger records. I'm just sad, because some of those bands. I really enjoyed listening to and help me go through my depression. Although I'm not so surprised that Cuco was in this list. Because he reminded one of those guys in high school, who would play the Mr. Nice guy to get into girl's pants. And try to justify his actions. Saying it was just prank. Never really liked the guy.

[@NeilKight]

Thank you.

[@AnABBYJEANNETrip]

Hit the nail on the headl! Thanks for making this video. I personally just had to leave my own rock n roll cult. (literally walked out because of the weird secret abuse going on at the stroke of midnight into 2020 lol) It was my "family" since I was 13 and I spent years of my music career glorifying/being the face for them and being used by them (Im 27 now) I was there all day and night as a teenager and now have PTSD from basically being in a cult. What you said about the pitfall of nostalgia is right on. Luckily theres so many people who are done with this and we just want to rock together and create a magical, expressive space VS the weird cultish secrecy that comes with iron age patriarchy. ❤️❤️❤️

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

good for you for leaving. we can build something better now!

[@wotaj]

I'm so sorry you had to undergo such awful abuse. No one deserves to be treated that way. Oh wow, I remember the Orwells playing on The Late Show with David Letterman.

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

thank you.

[@wotaj]

@@ThePsychedelicCherry I am constantly befuddled by why and how so many men treat "Consent" like it's nothing more than a newfangled perfume.

[@alohacowboy1]

wotaj because our sex education is shit. It’s pretty simple people don’t want to talk about how alcohol changes people’s behavior during sex. And nobody wants to have real confrontation in a non confrontational world. I don’t ever believe it’s one persons fault it’s both. This cancel culture to get attention by calling someone out while tarnishing their reputation is toxic. We don’t know if these claims are true or false. Take it to court if it’s true! Learn to communicate it isn’t just a mans fault it’s fucking both take some goddamn accountability for fuck sake. This is what you get when you don’t teach people how to have sex outside of a partnership.

[@kowaichuu]

add summer salt to the list

[@crank_1004]

I'm so pissed off.

[@carlos97828]

I think the minute you have 14-17 year olds hanging out with 18+ is a recipe for disaster. It's sad to see this happen. But it's just not in the SoCal music scene, also in gaming where you have underage people hanging out with grown men/women this is going to happen. Unfortunately this is the sad reality. Some people are fucking sick

[@ChachaChapati]

Burger was a weird atmosphere from the get-go. No lost sleep in seeing their downfall. Good luck to you.

[@spraynardkruger9903]

When you say you know a lot of these bands personally, did you actually reach out to them to hear their side of the story? If so, what do they say about the allegations?

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

Those that I know are ashamed of what they've done and are taking some time to reflect.

[@spraynardkruger9903]

The Psychedelic Cherry Very interesting, thank you for the response!

[@bettysmith8939]

I am following you and got a feed on your album TEETH. The song you wrote was tittled "So Fucking Tired" A song that you wrote while dealing with PTSD. I'm so sorry that you're dealing with this as it can be quite devastating to say the least. I am a fan and would like to know what brought it on. Maybe family issues, or the music business itself. I am on Face Book and that is also where I'm following you. You have a beautiful voice and I like your style of music. You are also a great guitar player and all around musician. I know I can learn alot from you as you are good recording artist. ( Everyone who's reading this, download "So Stonely" it's a fun song with a great sound and awesome beat! ) I have always been a stage singer. I never liked recording I found it quite daunting. I always preferred singing live. You do the song once and you're on to the next. Recording was stressfull for me as you have to do the song on many takes if you miss a beat or hit a spour note. YOU CAN HEAR IT! And so can eveyone else listening to it. It always has to be perfect. I am trying though to record music myself mostly just for fun. Anyway, I hope you're doing better with your PTSD. Patricia

[@Salamander676]

It sucks that she felt violated by the 23 year old guy but her friend and bandmate clearly didn’t have a problem being intimate That’s a normal way that a lot of people move on from rejection sadly. They move on and find someone who will accept their advances and meet their needs. That’s how sexual biology and mating works unfortunately. Blame the animal kingdom and high school.

[@EmbertheEmbrace]

I love these bands they got me some hard times man

[@lagramsshow9427]

they invited them self to your house wtf.....

[@liz_suh]

“You’ll never be as cute as a teenage girl” -Bobby May (worked at Burger Records and was a friend of mine when we were younger!) I stopped talking to him because I was dating someone (new guy/not the abusive ex I mentioned in my post) and he would constantly text or call when he was drunk and beg me to come over and “jam” with him. I told him I was dating someone and he didn’t care and kept calling every so often. Ended up blocking him and haven’t talked to him since. Then found out he had that quote in an insert of some band signed by Burger‘s cassette insert. Fucking gross. He is my age, 30.

[@liz_suh]

Nexus Six see you don’t fucking know me or my life. I don’t have to explain myself to a troll like you. Keep being a troll, everyone knows what you’re doing. Unless they have no brain cells like you. You’re part of the problem and the reason why victims are afraid to speak out but luckily you don’t bother me at all.

[@liz_suh]

Nexus Six and also I didn’t do anything to attract creeps. It was unwanted advances. You’re just a troll and don’t know shit.

[@michaelt.1161]

K all those bands suck too. Burger always sucked

[@KillTuco]

I hope this amplifies the genre. How many mainstream genres are guilty of all these crimes and so much more, yet still dominating the charts? So many mainstream genres are rife with this shit (EDM/Hip-Hop/Rock), yet they still dominate the charts. Let's hold the underground punk movement to a higher standard!

[@video.treasures]

YES

[@figurespeech101]

the door ding on chain reaction. every local knows what you mean lmao

[@patchchrist]

While opening up about your experiences with these situations is important, go to the proper authorities & file police reports plz.

[@lexiifiire8834]

Really mystic braves o: met the guitarist long time ago really cool guy .we smoked lots of cigarettes

[@theelizabethband8271]

I'm sorry that happened to you I thought this whole thing was people trying get money and attention I'm sorry

[@dannyapeshit]

Money? From Burger bands? None of them are truly big. Burger themselves are a small label. That's what makes it even more believable, the fact that there is no monetary gain from this.

[@EmbertheEmbrace]

My favorite are the growlers, buttertones, and inner wave and it hurts to see that it really does man but I still love them

[@sashakys]

bro no fucking way..... these were literally my top 3 bands back in the day

[@ci825]

Same here! I love the old sound of the BTs and the Growlers and the digital/techno sound of IW... what's going on in the indie scene??? My guess is, the harsh reality being that these guys are immature morons who couldn't let go of their young years and that along with the fact that a lot of indie fans are younger children... well thats a recipe for disaster that they gladly indulged in. But I heard only one guy from BT actually committed statutory rape. The other 2 were just emotionally abusive. As for the Growlers, same thing, one guy was actually a rapist while others like the lead singer were just very inappropriate and let it happen. But the scandal with IW, idk their story

[@leae3750]

All assaulters 😭

[@JoachimWeed]

@@leae3750 so what ,music still rocks

[@JoachimWeed]

@@leae3750 same thing with jackson and the singer of inxs all creeps

[@fulladrenalineattractions7283]

Very sad to hear that about nobunny

[@ROLLOVERROVERdotORG]

Thank you for sharing. I'm sorry that those experiences happened to you. It's terrible how these people can prey on good will like that. Personally I wouldn't give these people the excuse that they didn't have the power in high school that they found with this label. While that may be true to some extent, it's also true that depraved predators are just depraved predators. Had they "peaked" in high school there predatory behavior would still exist but might take on a different form. These people had a sole motive behind everything they were doing and knew exactly what they were doing. Manipulators manipulate.

[@talktalk3]

I don't think she was trying to minimize the abuse but rather offer a framework for how this abuse might come to be. There are definitely depraved predators and ped*philes but I do believe taking advantage of the power dynamic is a more common and likely reason for the abusive behavior. That and the fact that men are commonly discouraged or shamed for seeking help for dark thoughts or behaviors and submit to this mindset of just being a 'scumbag'. That seems especially prevalent in the music/garage scene.

[@ROLLOVERROVERdotORG]

@@talktalk3 Oh yeah, not trying to say she was minimizing the abuse or doing anything remotely wrong here. Sorry if it came out wrong. I was only speaking to something I see thrown around, that this new found power is WHY they do this and not just HOW they do this. I understand and agree that this power dynamic is the framework for abuse but I just think that they had this depravity in them with or with out this power (they just wouldn't have had to platform to act on that depravity). Hope that makes sense and absolutely do not want to shout down anyone here, just trying to add to the dialogue. Really sad dynamic all around and I hope these survivors still feel welcome to enjoy and create music.

[@jacoblopez1275]

My whole Playlist is human garbage I wanna cry I appreciate the video your a great speaker I had no idea

[@leestooge]

Black Lips are a big one left out. One member has been called out for racism as well.

[@video.treasures]

who cares? everyone’s entitled to there own beliefs whether you like it or not. racism obviously fucking sucks but it will NEVER go away, there will always be racism. mature people deal with it and carry on with their lives knowing that. as long as its nonviolent then just move on..

[@AvgJane19]

@@video.treasures that's the attitude that got the civil rights act passed, just "move on". If you have any friends of color, just stop talking to them it'll be for the best.

[@griffithscott2318]

well she was just 17 and you know what i mean :(

[@alli2893]

thank you for making a video about this!!

[@Kate-448]

You have so much courage ♥️

[@ThePsychedelicCherry]

thank you

[@OrdoAbChao-kg5rf]

What a joke... validation addicts.

[@sheikaragray7681]

I think their channel was deleted.

[@leae3750]

The list read is so powerful.