WHO ARE THE ‘BIG FOUR’ SCENE BANDS??

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@jimpickens9681]

just asking do u listen 2 much metallica?

[@hechticgaming7193]

great ep. this is my sons music and thus I was a little into it as well, and I must say that Sleeping with Sirens Unplugged album is def the best front to back album of all these bands, just incase peeps are looking for good stuff from these bands

[@Misfits_Mosher]

Finn would you do a video on "prog rock" like Circa Survive, Coheed and Cambria, Mars Volta, etc?

[@johnroybal933]

I feel Ronnie Radke and Escape the fate around 2006-2008 was a huge deal as well! Definitely had that influential vibe to them.

[@andreylucass]

Have you ever listened to Iron maiden?

[@wyliehj]

Also pierce the veil is such a wildly talented and creative band, idk how their last album isn’t bigger

[@pandawithanorange]

Still a huge Pierce the Veil fan to this day

[@ladyindigo3672]

Saaame! But he's not wrong though, I never hear anything about them anymore :( Misadventures was great but that was like 2016

[@sophieroth2365]

Same for sure, got a PTV tattoo and planning to get more

[@beaner5g]

Still waiting for the next album he’s posted like a year ago he’s writing it🫠

[@billbobbophen]

@@beaner5g they confirmed the new album is done!

[@Feverm00n]

@@billbobbophen same here

[@datchicray]

I was a young teen when pierce the veil and sleeping with sirens were big. Especially the king for a day video. I think it comes down to three things. 1. The fan girls crushing on members of the band but getting over it in time. 2. Neither band could follow up the hype with another big album. 3. That generation of kids were the last of the scene kids. When we got older and started listening to other things the new young kids weren’t interested in this stuff. I’m sure there were outliers, but I’m 24 and by the time I was in 12th grade the younger kids weren’t into this at all.

[@iletthedevilin828]

I don't know how common this was for kids that were into pierce the veil or sleeping with sirens but I remember when I was in middle school I stopped listening to those bands as soon as I started listening to a day to remember and suicide silence. I get that a day to remember had a pretty similar demographic as the people that were into sleeping with sirens and oddly same with suicide silence but as soon as I got into deathcore I became a little bit of a gatekeeper when I was in high school.

[@camjam6112]

I’m a pierce the veil fan I just turned 18, wish they would drop another album

[@joystick2212]

@@iletthedevilin828 this kind of gatekeeping was very common when i was in highschool too... I remember getting into like, TDWP and august burns red, and thinking Silverstein was gay af even though they were my favorite band in middle school

[@iletthedevilin828]

@@joystick2212 its nice knowing I'm not the only one. I'm glad I grew out of that mindset though. Random note I remember seeing silverstein tour with abr when they did the constellations tour. I'd love to see both those bands tour together again when touring comes back.

[@datchicray]

@@camjam6112 that’s interesting. Was there a lot of kids you knew in high school who liked this kind of music?

[@nonyodambiz]

I also think that Falling in reverse would fir the Megadeth role easily 1. Controversial Frontman who was in one successful band, then made it in another successful band 2. Extremely popular, and a gateway into other scene bands Though to be fair, people don't nearly bring them up as much as Asking.

[@underrottensky]

but now FIR have become Metallica in that comparison. and also Anthrax - Ronnie loves made some experiments with his sound.

[@robertweaver4607]

i think just like Pierce the Veil and Sleeping with sirens they were a little late for this era. that being said Escape The Fate makes total sense or just ronnie with his first 2 albums

[@Kekktye]

OR Escape the Fate

[@WritheandShineFan]

@@Kekktye Literally was yelling "ESCAPE THE FATE" when he got to the Megadeth section. Ronnie Radke is the Dave Mustaine of the scene bands. Unless Escape the Fate isn't as popular as I thought they were in order to earn a spot.

[@seemlesslies]

I think the fact ETF/FIR (Ronnie) isn't on this list. He is arguably the single most influential person in the scene community BY FAR he just so happen to change bands because he went to prison lol. Monster is on the top charts I haven't heard anything about BMTH in rages. Ronnie is always ontop of the charts the dude is a musical genius.

[@brianroberts6670]

“Metal is all about thinking for yourself and doing what you want and not caring what anyone else thinks as long as doing whatever you want happens to mean looking, dressing acting and thinking like every other metal band” I love this. Make this whole quote into an absurd band logo.

[@Jmack7861]

Like the 44gore or whatever number it is band logo that looks like a paragraph or squiggly lines

[@kkuuuuaa]

Please make it happen! I'll take two!

[@ShoxieRaccoon]

i bet thats a fallout boy song

[@crazydud3380]

@1TAG Eh, metal is such a broad genre now, that it has more to do with which type of metal fan you are referring to. Most extreme metal, yeah the hardcore fans can be insufferable.

[@danielprudhoe647]

@@crazydud3380 Also a lot of the old-school metalheads can be pretty elitist too, unfortunately. Hating on a lot of the core stuff and nu-metal, for example, for "destroying metal". Imo, just leave people to be petty if that's what they want to be. I appreciate pretty much all forms of music....even modern pop music I can appreciate the fact that it might have good melodies or whatever, even if it's not something I would listen to. Being more open-minded to various forms of music is better than being close-minded and only listening to a specific type of music, at least to me.

[@dbgrfdg]

I think All Time Low reached more of an Indie audience. Not the kind of tumblr user that shared Defend Pop Punk gifs, but rather the kind of tumblr user that watched Doctor Who and also listened to 30stm, another big rock band that no scene kid really cares about

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Good call

[@PjRamos1]

Holy fuck, that's me

[@Ominouscustodian]

You * mentions Enter Shikari * Me * hype lvl immediately goes to a 9 * “I would like you to bring it down to a 3 or 4”

[@Nashdrum]

Same. No one ever talks about them!

[@atlys258]

Dude, seriously! Take to the Skies was a little rough but awesome and refreshing, and Common Dreads is still one of my all time favorite albums.

[@geeshta]

I was listening to them during work today and I don't even listen to much of this stuff anymore.

[@bubblebeep1592]

@@atlys258 take to the skies is just something else man, there is no other album like it

[@Джонатан-р8д]

GO TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS THAT THIS IS THE END THISISTHEENDDDD

[@blue42goo]

I feel early escape the fate was extremely influence to getting people into scene music it would have been nice to have them mentioned.

[@christopherlane6372]

Escape the Fate was actually my gateway into heavier music besides BMTH

[@nymets1104]

ETF is the definition of Scene

[@aironnocturnal5365]

Yeah This War Is ours was definitely one of the albums that got me into the scene!

[@stephensporman8206]

dont care what anyone says. Theres no sympathy EP and Fashion are still bangers to this day.

[@ItsAllMoThug33]

100

[@tiaanstrauss8649]

You're right. I'm the kid with the Asking Alexandria shirt.

[@CruiseControl2012]

Kinda sus bro

[@offbrandnoodle4521]

@Gato Gordo Y Gris nice spelling😫😫

[@yell0w355]

@Gato Gordo Y Gris are we still calling people gay in 2021? cmon dude

[@Moto_Medics]

@Gato Gordo Y Gris go play in traffic kid

[@candycigs3767]

0wn That Shit Bro

[@jonathanfriedman7430]

I'm a huge All Time Low fan and they are definitely the biggest influence in my taste in music. I just don't mention them as much as like I would A Day to Remember because I've been told that All Time Low is for freshman girls and not 24 year old dudes

[@benjaminowens7914]

Came here in search of this comment. #same

[@jonathanfriedman7430]

@@benjaminowens7914 Such great songwriters and their music is honestly timeless. But even scene kids hate them because they don’t have screams

[@anasa2152]

@@benjaminowens7914 same 😅

[@universaviee]

LOL I've loved All Time Low for well over 10 years 😂 I see your point regarding the "freshman girls" but, I mean....if it's good, it's good 🤣 A Day To Remember is also *chef's kisses*, very influential for me as well. I fell in love with all time low in middle school, and discovered ADTR in high school, but I still listen to both nearly every day, to this day LOL.

[@summersand281]

Sleeping With Sirens and Pierce The Veil were actually my gate way to the emo scene. Sleeping with Sirens especially. They are both still some of favs and got me into way more bands!

[@Leah-vb3ud]

Same!!!

[@gabistockman3211]

yess same! and i loveeee all time low lol, their energy is actually what helped me a lot a few years ago

[@Leah-vb3ud]

@@gabistockman3211 yes!

[@amsyarhariz1603]

Suck band hellium band

[@sophieroth2365]

Me too!! My first ever concert was Pierce The Veil!!

[@yeahwhatever1184]

I remember one of the first concerts I attended almost a decade ago was I See Stars, Attila, Asking Alexandria, and Suicide Silence was supposed to be there, but Mitch passed away I believe the month before the show. They played ‘You Only Live Once’ over the speakers and people were going absolutely crazy for him. It was a great memory and makes me miss the days of being a scene kid.

[@Cerise3544]

I almost screamed when you played the clip with oli screaming "THIS IS SEMPITERNAL" but not the riff just after ;-;

[@vin_fm2354]

2012 scene is different than like 2008 it’s crazy. Completely different big fours and completely different scenes no pun intended

[@Jimmy-Mc]

When I was in middle and high school (2006-2012), so many girls who normally listened to pop were listening to All Time Low. They were the band that bridged the gap between casual and serious fans of both scene and mainstream pop/rock music. One of my best friends still lists All Time Low as her favorite band, even though Spanish pop is her favorite genre today.

[@ItsJeff_]

That’s kinda what I thought too. Everyone knew All Time Low songs

[@mtabby8791]

My chemical Romance did that years before in fact the scene was bigger in 2002-2005

[@johnroybal933]

I feel Ronnie radke and Escape the fate around 2006-2008 definitely had that influential vibe.

[@bdeezy2962]

Yes!! They were my shit in 2006 the first album is still a great listen

[@ChristopherJames1993]

Situations is still a banger. The song and the video hold up today.

[@br8on]

I would like to say that The Devil Wears Prada is releasing the Zombie EP 2 next month so they haven’t totally lost their roots.

[@Sagemel]

You’re right, but The Acts is one of the best albums they’ve ever released even if it wasn’t as heavy

[@br8on]

@@Sagemel agreed! And when the heavy parts hit they really hit!

[@Vinsanity09]

@@therareplatypus7121 Dead Throne will always be my favorite but the first Zombie EP was a great prelude to that

[@frnndgrm6268]

I didn't know about it, thank you And I think TDWP may not be the most commercially successful band, but the music they've made is pure art

[@billjones5658]

But of course we can't forget THE cover. The sound of the boom from amplifiers. #stayfly #staybrutal

[@uptheirons726]

I got really into Pierce the Veil recently and I fucking LOVE them. Collide with the Sky and Misadventures are absolute bangers and criminally under rated.

[@Wailmur]

Besides that their singer sounds like a mouse

[@kokorolex]

Danny Worsnop is the gateway to country music for past scene kids

[@im.weasel]

@@NewFoundLove what lol?

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

@@NewFoundLove Why does that Matter?

[@jenkem69]

Ew no...

[@thelastdaybreathinginetern1385]

@@minuscaseus Reckless and Relentless was an amazing album! It's been my favorite AA album since 2010.

[@universaviee]

All Time Low is 100% one of my favorite bands. They definitely got me through my adolescence, and I still listen to them on a regular basis. I have seen them live twice now and they never disappoint. They have evolved in such a beautiful way, ugh. They are such a staple, yet unappreciated band in my opinion.

[@Lewis---]

"trading in their schecters for telecasters" is such a funny phrase that manages to sound like both a metaphor and a literal description of what happened

[@jthrock45]

Nothing is worse than seeing your favorite band go from wearing skinny jeans, crazy hair and neon shirts one day to seeing them wearing sweaters and combing their hair in a promo for their upcoming album :(

[@wheresthemiata6625]

PTV and SWS were the bands that got me into the that scene, I still listen to their music even tho my music spectrum has expanded

[@twinny_mi]

same dude

[@rachelrosediary]

PTV consumed 80% of my emotional capacity as a teenager 😭 but I think they kind of fell off a bit...because we went to college/into the workforce. I get the feeling that a lot of their fanbase are within a few years of each other, so we all kind of "grew up" at the same time - we're desperately waiting for a new album lol but we're also adults now with other things to do. Still listen to Sky Under the Sea at least once a week though 👏🏻 ((also worth mentioning the s/a allegations made against Mike in 2017...the scene era was already kind of over, but even though no formal charges were ever brought against him, that was the nail in the coffin for a lot of people))

[@Kevin-yq5gl]

the sky under the sea is a BANGER

[@charlespeter5610]

Being from Maryland, All Time Low was *HUGE* around here. It's so weird that you say that about All Time Low. They were definitely hometown heroes so apparently it skewed my percepetion

[@blasstois]

They were huge I would say too. Especially 2007 or 2008?

[@StefanoFontana11]

they were huge in my part of Ontario also. Definitely a big gateway to harder music also, a lot of people started bands and then moved to crab core after being super into All Time Low

[@charlespeter5610]

@@blasstois yeah that was when I was in high school. They were allllll over the place

[@geniyus5384]

Oh look, this was my exact same thought personally

[@JasonTzzz]

@@charlespeter5610 I lived went to college in Baltimore 10 years ago when All Time Low, Animal Collective, Good Charlotte, & Clutch were the beloved Maryland bands! The Baltimore hardcore scene was active but small and Trapped Under Ice was the only band to emerge out of that scene.

[@Candela115]

Pierce the Veil was the band that really got me into music, and they had tons of fans.

[@Kagey1v1]

I loved Suicide Silence. Mitch was such a chill dude to talk to. No Time to Bleed is my favourite album overall as Machine added that top class producing to the record 🤘🏾

[@youweremymuse]

Hi hello here's my completely unbiased opinion as part of the 1% of Pierce the Veil listeners on spotify last year: I think you really missed the mark by not including them. Yes, they have struggled to stay relevant in recent years bc they release albums so infrequently (tho their 2016 LP Misadventures debuted in the top 10 of the billboard hot 100 bc they still have a huge active fan base, believe it or not.) Whenever I talk to ppl abt their scene phase PtV is invariably a band that gets brought up (most of the time without SWS, and it's kinda a pet peeve of mine that they get lumped together all the time bc PtV is by all accounts superior but that's a rant for another day.) Anyway, long story short, PTV is pretty synonymous with Scene music and definitly deserve a spot on the big 4. I'd say out of all the ones you've mentioned, they are the most likely to still be on heavy rotation by ex scene kids in their 20s (besides maybe Bring Me the Horizon) They're definitely hurting themselves by taking so long to put out records, but they're also one of the few bands on this list who haven't made a pop album yet. So yeah. PtV is great and I'm right.

[@oscarruiz1799]

I'm also part of that 1%, it's so freaking hard finding someone that knows them and even harder someone that enjoys them

[@oscarruiz1799]

Awesome music very emotional

[@t.jaygivens9075]

It makes me so happy to see the bands I got into when I was in junior high actually have an impact on music today .

[@Toadalinakong]

My generation was at just the right age when SWS & PTV were peaking. So the people I know from that time still talk about those bands very fondly, even if most of them don't really listen to that type of music anymore. Just sort of in the nostalgic throwback kind of love. Enough to still play the hits sometimes but not enough to follow their new stuff

[@lukerobinson7412]

I was a huge Pierce the Veil and Sleeping with Sirens fam in around 2013. I was literally 11 or 12 years old. I can tell you what happened to their fans, we grew up!

[@taintedfairies]

actually a lot of us younger gen z'rs are huge fans of ptv and sws still. there was a huge wave of newer fans in like 2015 and 2016 and we're still here!

[@lukerobinson7412]

@@taintedfairies fair enough brother

[@DontstopIfIfall]

I first listened to them in 2015 when I was 25... lol

[@malikbragg1680]

Lol yeah some of pierce the veils music is a little campy but some of it is pretty adultish... or like teenagerish? Like alot of them aren't heartbreak for 12 year olds it's like let's be sad and do drugs for like 17 to 20 year olds lolol... or maybe that's my personal bias as a sad 20 year old

[@kage6613]

Awesome video as always! Here's my personal four: Underoath - I know they had a whole history with Dallas Taylor and being an old school style blackened metalcore/deathcore band, then a short Skycamefalling/Hopesfall kind of phase, but then almost the whole lineup changed on TOCS, which yes, defined mall screamo, HOWEVER, their most influential work imo was Define The Great Line, bringing in post metal influence from the likes of Isis and Neurosis, flawlessly combining with scene staples like good cop bad cop vocals, catchy chorus, synth player (since 2000) and chug panic chord breakdowns. This album is the template for the back half of the 2000s christcore bands like TDWP, OM&M, TWA, BTF, etc. this record also performed extremely well and the music video for Writing on the Walls was nominated for a Grammy. Bring Me The Horizon - yeah basically undeniable how they were ahead of the curve and influenced everyone. The Acacia Strain - yeah I'm sure they'd hate being considered a "scene band," but they really influenced the whole era - including the likes of A Day to Remember. To me the myspace scene era was defined by the "brown note" tritone breakdown invented by TAS, pressing only the top string on the first fret and chugging away. That was in every deathcore band, every risecore band, every crabcore band, and even in a bunch of easycore bands (more so in 2.0). Not to mention their slow doomy style later on was/is still done to death by every deathcore band ever, and I'm pretty sure they had all the edgy merch. They're now respected in hxc circles and influenced all the modern hardcore bands comprised of ex-scene kids who claim Converge, Hatebreed, and Disembodied as their influences lolol. I Set My Friends On Fire - the band that truly synthesized early 2000s scenecore into late 2000s myspacecore. The inventors of crunkcore, the prototype for crabcore, the epilogue for whitebelt scenegrind, the love letter to sass, the last trace of actual "screamo" ie 'emoviolence' being present in scene music for years to come. Streets ahead in too many ways to count and a band that got many into scene music with their Smosh collab, they defined the zany myspace years. Not only that but when they came back in some form they continued to be ahead of the game collabing with LiL Lotus when emo rappers were still considered cringe by most, which I feel has started to change in the last ~2 years.

[@tristonmcnair3981]

Pierce the veil 100% got me in to heavier music. My sister was playing them nonstop when I was about 13.

[@mrsphenomenal4493]

Same hwre

[@joshs5135]

Same

[@twinny_mi]

I became a scene kid after their 2016 album came out....5 years later still waiting on an album... but hey I got into heavier music! All the bands in this video I know about because I discovered the "emo trinity" and then SWS and PTV and then FIR and OM&M and it just went from there lmaoo

[@joshs5135]

@@twinny_mi haha dude legit same

[@pleasecatchforusthefoxes]

blew my mind when he said “nobody talks about ptv” like HELLO??? maybe i spend too much time on post hardcore forums but i swear to god everyone says “ptv is the band that introduced me to this genre.” guess we just run in different circles!

[@robinferris3116]

Great to see a mention for Enter Shikari! Prob playing into what you said about shikari fans but I'd love to see a video about them or about the UK arm of scene culture in general. I think Shikari are super interesting cause here in the uk their fans were such a huge crossover of scene kids, rave/ festival kids, indie kids and just plain radio 1 pop listeners. Love that band

[@chantzgaming]

I feel so called out, I had all these bands records and shirts lmao. Don’t forget the scene-pop bands too like nevershoutnever, the ready set, we the kings, the academy is, boys like girls, etc.

[@iambyrd1963]

Mayday Parade!

[@roxycocksey]

Couple of the guys in the ready set were from my hometown Green Bay, I remember when they got big and me and my friends were so stoked for them but it was also so weird hahah. Like we’d remember when we went to go to shows at the local roller rink and Andy the guitarist and Kenan (think he played bass?) would be there and they were like just our friends and totally normal guys, then all of a sudden in a famous band. I remember my friend telling me “oh Andy just texted me they’re about to play on mtv live” and I was like “what are you talking about?” He goes “they’re in the band called The Ready Set”, I had no idea lol. Andy was always super charismatic and popular, but kenan was really quiet and kinda awkward. I remember they eventually left the band or apparently the rumor was they got kicked out for smoking too much weed lol so Kenan had to get a job at Kohl’s and everyone made fun of him. Poor guy, damn that was really mean of us to do looking back in hindsight 😬

[@gregoryfails855]

Funny enough, BMTH-just like metallica-did a concert with an orchestra. it’s actually really great, the composition for Doomed is my favorite version of it.

[@kjamlin]

Doomed with an orchestra is so amazing. especially with the orchestra intro

[@goner.9989]

That show was f%#king amazing. BMTH at royal albert hall is my single fav live album of all time.

[@davidpwolfe]

I wish I hadn't totally missed this era of the scene. I was more a part of the previous generation with Underoath, Fall Out Boy, and all those bands. After like 2009 or so went down a huge indie/garage/classic rock rabbit hole and I feel like I missed so many iconic bands in their prime! I'm just rediscovering the scene now, and I have a lot to catch up on.

[@fernandomarroquin8901]

I'm 34 was lucky enough to volunteer in a library around the tail end of these bands peak years 2013-2014 so i got a lot recommendations that way and saw a lot of these bands live before they changed styles and the scene moved on... Listen to Infant Annihilator and Whitechapel their modern stuff is still pretty consistant and stay away from recent Parkway Drive it's just dumpster fire bad lol

[@DontstopIfIfall]

Totally relate! I'm 31 and I kinda lost touch with the scene after high school. I didn't have a whole lot of friends around that were into it and I was too busy to keep up for several years. I only learned of some of these (pierce the veil and sleeping with sirens) from kids I worked with when I was working retail in the mid 2010s, but missed most of them. I've recently gotten into some newer emo/pop punk, but I'm sad I missed this era/sad boy pop punk era.

[@johnrose2993]

Thankfully i got a bit of both gens. 28 here, i actually started with metallica and old metal and stuff but got into flyleaf and underoath due to christian ties. But dated girls who constantly listened to all the scene bands

[@PandaMom9230]

All Time Low is my 13 year old daughter’s band that got her into the pop punk scene. She’s holding out to see them for her first concert. I’ve always share my love of all types of music with both my kids. After my son (Travis Mark) was born, I started introducing her to the band I named him after, my favorite band since I was 10 years old, and she’s always down for some blink. She likes ADTR, Falling in Reverse, and is getting into Starset now. But ATL was “her band” like blink was mine. Music that my brother introduced me to (blink, AFI, Coheed, CKY) shaped me into a musician and I was able to hone in on my talent of ear training (can’t read music for shit, but can play it by ear after some practice). Whether or not either of my kids end up loving music like I do, I’m just happy to show them the bands that helped me be me. And no matter what, I’ll ALWAYS give something they like a listen and appreciate the talent in the musicians.

[@cristianandrade9987]

Ive been telling people BMTH is the metallica of our generation

[@sebastianpacheco9846]

More like the Linkin Park, but you're right

[@BidoMaggot]

90's-metallica 2000's-LP 2010's-bmth

[@cccrudzav93]

Indeed they are 🤘🏼🔥

[@Senses-Failed]

Better than Metallica.

[@erik7088]

I’m into hip hop so I have no idea what scene is lol 😂

[@Brokenandhalfalive]

I was listening to a lot of Saosin, Chiodos, Pierce The Veil, Senses Fail, and The Used around 2012-2014 during my young teen scene phase. As an adult I listen to Tigers Jaw, Citizen, The Front Bottoms, and Modern Baseball etc. I still enjoy and listen to the stuff I used to.

[@roxycocksey]

I love this list. Saosin 7 years is my all time favorite song. What an absolute masterpiece.

[@allusivebumbleB]

Sleeping With Sirens, Asking Alexandria, Escape The Fate and Pierce The Veil we're the top 4 when I was a teenager.

[@caseybaldwin2676]

Escape the Fate, Silverstein, Senses Fail and Chiodos, for me. I think. Damn it's hard picking 4, though.

[@davidanderson7643]

Asking Alexandria, Senses Fail and Silverstein fuckin kick ass but the rest of the bands can go die. Edit: Chiodos would get a pass but their first album was great but they followed it up with complete trash.

[@hera761]

FACTS ME TOO BRUH

[@b4iturn5]

I wouldn’t mind this being almost like a series where we go for the Big Four of every genre like Pop Punk, Emo etc. Your insight and your logic always makes sense.

[@aliaulman]

There were moment when SWS was bigger than ATL, PTV, and BMTH on social media. I think it was around 2013 when their third album just came out. Kellin's Instagram followers was 1,5 millions when Oli sykes was barely a million. SWS also one of the very few scene band who first reached 4th billboard 200 - even ADTR & BMTH just catching up that number later on. But now they are losing moment and became less popular than those bands.

[@fernandomarroquin8901]

I remember the period you're talking about and you're right they were white hot then but honestly SWS never really recovered from their guitarist from " lets cheer to this " leaving and they made a huge mistake pandering to a mainstream radio audience that wasn't there likewise BMTH who struck gold with Sempiternal but paddled out too far on the following albums ala AFI after Sing The Sorrow

[@lunatikkrazieazylum6226]

Kellin Quinn was like the Justin Bieber of scene kids.

[@WrathOfJove]

The respect that Bring Me The Horizon gets now is so amazing to me. Being a fan since edge of your seat and having to be called a poser and dumb for liking this “shit and fake band” damn I’m so hype.

[@knotshimi]

Sitting here watching this with my Sempiternal tattoo just nodding my head😂😂

[@grantevans1080]

Great video! Glad you added ADTR at the end. Much deserved slot

[@12thMandalorian]

Well, today i discovered "Neon Pop Punk" is a genre of music

[@STxEmpyre]

You must’ve just gotten here lol. Welcome

[@bennygoodson]

TYL TIL

[@kage6613]

The Academy Is..., Every Avenue, Forever The Sickest Kids all GOATed. Still waiting for finn's video on it.

[@_callmechase]

@@kage6613 oh my god every avenue

[@12thMandalorian]

@@kage6613 I do love all of them

[@heythere5121]

I don't understand how people can get turned off by Anthrax's vocals but rock with Dave Mustaines 🤢 lol

[@BigOwl51]

Dave Mustaine is dog water at singing. I’ve heard better singing from crunkcore bands

[@lordtrigon1733]

“Hello me! Meet the reeeaaaall meee!” Like nails on a chalkboard 😖

[@TheUltimateNavigator1]

@@lordtrigon1733 There's just something about it that makes me love it for some reason. I like Anthax's too.

[@lordtrigon1733]

I love Anthrax too (particularly John Bush who I think is one the best Metal vocalists ever) and there are actually plenty of Megadeth songs where I like Dave’s vocals... it’s just THAT song where I cannot stand it lol.

[@HARIB0]

For pierce the veil at least they released collide with the sky in 2012 and that was their big hit album, then they didn't put out anything until 2016 and we haven't had anything new since then. For them I think it's just that they didn't release new music as often or at the right time as they should've. Ptv was definitely my gateway band into everything heavier, and they're still one of my all time favorite bands :)

[@Candela115]

Yeah their peak was probably 2015 when they went on warped tour. They were the final band to be announced and a big reason for a lot of people to go. They drew the biggest crown out of any other band there and at least half of the people there wore PTV merch. After that though, they sort of fizzled out. Misadventures was great, but it wasn’t Collide With the Sky 2.0 like the fans wanted.

[@katebeckinsnail910]

I always felt like the big 2 were adtr and bmth , basically everyone liked them. Even brutal kids and neon pop punk kids.

[@markattenborough9107]

Round it out with Suicide Silence for the brutal kids and Asking Alexandria for the more entry level fans and that would honestly be who i'd call the big four of the scene

[@ryndanriley5348]

Maybe where I'm from is weird but everyone hated BMTH after their first album. Or maybe I'm a few years older.

[@markattenborough9107]

@@ryndanriley5348 i think you're just older dude,everyone in my hs was bumping to Sempiternal and alot of the younger kids were wearing BMTH shirts

[@ryndanriley5348]

@@markattenborough9107 that must be it. By the time sempiternal came out me and my friends were all into like the sad boi pop punk, emo, and hardcore bands so we kind of missed the biggest heyday of scene music. Haha. It's interesting to see what stuck with the younger generation and what didnt. Like I remember going to a show in the late 00's and the set list went pierce the veil opening, then the devil wears prada, then alesana, and then chiodos headlined. Weird to see how quickly it all changed.

[@katebeckinsnail910]

@@ryndanriley5348 when I posted this comment , in my head I was thinking about highschool times(2012 graduate), so to me thier big albums were "suicide season" and "there is a hell". And for adtr it was "and thier name was treason" through "what separates me from you". I think sempiternal was my favorite bmth album though, but also by that time(2013) I was more into the sad boi pop punk emo/midwest emo too. I remember when ptv was an opening band too, I watched them open for the game changers tour. That was adtr, bmth,and we came as romans. Someone stole we came as romans instruments, so ptv let them play on theirs. That was my favorite era of that scene, a lot of my favorite bands were all touring at the same time, but also sad boi bands like the story so far/knuckle puck were taking off. I think you might've been before that time though like you said, cause I was in 9th grade when chiodos were headlining tours, so I never got to go see them. I thought it was interesting too to see what stuck with the younger crowd after I graduated too. I remember going to warped in the following years after graduating, and ptv,sleeping with sirens, and asking alexandria had taken over that scene.

[@TeslaChad]

Underoath was a deathcore band for a while but didn’t really reinvent (no pun intended) themselves until their album They’re Only Chasing Safety. There were 3 new members added that really made it a whole new band.

[@graysonjd5624]

>Finn sings a Chiodos song >I recognize the song >I doubt whether I recognize the song >realize it could be any Chiodos song >no longer know song

[@thecreatedvoid117]

Lmao it’s “Baby, You Wouldn’t Last A Minute On The Creek.”

[@manuelmirandawtf8345]

Underoath, A Day To Remember, Bring Me The Horizon and Suicide Silence

[@coleb2086]

Gotta agree with this one

[@princegoatcheese9379]

I had a crush on a scene girl back in middle school, and she used to listen to Bring Me the Horizon. I listened to it and it got me hooked on harder music and heavy rock. Now I'm way too deep in the Bandcamp sauce to turn back to surface-level music! Keep rocking, NBA! lml

[@davidholmes3619]

This is my obligatory Enter Shikari comment. I have sadly and unironically pushed them on most of my friends for the last 12 years.

[@iambyrd1963]

Because they are awesome, and fun...

[@davidholmes3619]

@@iambyrd1963 And they have a solid message in their lyrics, as well.

[@jonnykhatru]

Awesome and underappreciated creative band

[@iambyrd1963]

And the Sorry You're Not A Winner video was so cool it helped their popularity skyrocket.

[@davidholmes3619]

Anything Can Happen in the Next Half Hour was the first video of theirs I saw. My buddy got it free on Xbox Live and we watched the fuck out of it.

[@alexnolasco1339]

Not even gonna lie, I still listen to old Pierce The Veil every once in a while. Not only is it nostalgic but they had an insanely good run of albums until their last one

[@redflagwaving008]

Anthrax were incredible live. Those chug rifts got bigger mosh pits goimg than when Killswitch Engage was up right before them

[@thenoodledrop]

Anthrax as an album band is kinda eh to me, but holy FUCK seeing them live was a whirlwind of a time. Such an amazing show and the crowd was NUTS. a standing only theater gig, and most of the venue became a circle pit

[@marctaylor1142]

😂"Only death metal fans & McDonald's employees wear these shoes" 😂Shots fired! Love it. I belly laughed a few times during this. Great work!

[@twinny_mi]

I literally bought those same shoes when I worked at McDonalds a few years ago loll

[@CreepyBlackDude]

@@twinny_mi Shoes For Crews!

[@matthewcarson2221]

I read this comment before seeing the shoes and predicted what they looked like lmao. Thought of my guitar teacher as a kid

[@deathscare3]

For me it’s BMTH ADTR AA and TDWP. Those are the 4 bands that I think most encompass this era in time.

[@amaladnan5522]

That’s a good list

[@reallymediocregamer]

This is the right answer. This is the first four that came to mind for me as well.

[@dudeno3182]

I would argue to put Of Mice & Men instead of TDWP. But you can't deny the impact TDWP had, especially early on.

[@christiancastillo927]

This is IT

[@TheChicagoJunkie]

That's almost what i had, with of mice being in place of AA, but I can easily see those two being interchangeable

[@ErictheGreat]

A friend of mine was in that BMTH music video. Believe it or not, he and I both have kids in first grade.

[@jakelwasson]

I'm 33 and I missed this whole generation of music. I loved Thrice, MCR, AFI, and other bands the scene kids listened to in like 2004 (Yeah, I know AFI was a punk band prior to Sing the Sorrow). By 2009 I was mostly into indie/folk stuff and only vaguely aware of these bands. Still couldn't name a single song by any of them.

[@NightElveee]

i got into metal during the scene days, haha! it was a weird experience, weird thing is i ended up listening to early 90's to early 2000's hardcore and metalcore, i still binge myspace music from time to time.

[@iambyrd1963]

AFI was my first ever live show. I had no clue how much that experience would shape what I would be into musically for the rest of my life.

[@lvhxc]

We are the same age and I went the other way! After growing up on nu metal, I went heavy and got into death/hardcore etc. Still love me some Slipknot though!

[@autohagios2019]

I’m also 33. Spent a lot of time at Chain Reaction and The Showcase Theatre in Southern California as a teen. Dipped my toes in the scene look for a while (thanks a lot to my ex gf who was really into 18v). But yeah, I had mostly moved out of it by the time all these bands were popular. Actually used to hang out with the original bass player and guitarist from Suicide Silence.

[@ryndanriley5348]

Yeah I'm 30 and I'm kind of the same. Me and my friends were into the early days of this but by like 2009 we were all over it.

[@alexb151]

Never get why he isn't a fan of Shikari. A band that has evolved multiple times over the years.

[@danmatthews6176]

Fun fact...I’ve never purposely listened to any all time low song. Or even heard them come up in conversation. Ps I’m 32 hahaha

[@lordtrigon1733]

I’ve never even heard of them. 😳

[@jaykstah]

I was always exposed to metal growing up (old-school thrash nd stuff) as parents were huge iron maiden, metallica, etc. fans along with tons of other genres But BMTH and OM&M are definitely the turning point in high school that led me to exploring metalcore and more scene stuff. Ive been a huge Linkin Park fan for yeeeears but finding BMTH in 2012/2013 took me down a dope path of music discovery. Kinda full circle now that BMTH is really showing their Linkin Park based influences and i love it

[@spacedog-kt6wy]

Attack Attack! may not be big enough for a spot in the big four, but they are certainly big enough for a spot in the top four of my heart :')

[@iambyrd1963]

I loved them, and SCS was a game changer!

[@CradlePayne]

@@iambyrd1963 Right? But apparently Austin isn't talented at all lol

[@genericyoutubechannel3790]

@@CradlePayne I honestly don't find it fair that he trashed Austin and Dave Mustaine so much in this video

[@ChristopherJames1993]

​@@CradlePayneits not talent thats the problem, it's abuse allegations.

[@camaroXpharaoh]

I was a "brutal kid". I've said before that Suicide Silence definitely got me into heavy music, and I'm glad to hear you put them as your "Slayer" equivalent, I love fuckinnn Slayerrrr! But I'm really happy to see you put Whitechapel and Job For A Cowboy right next to Suicide Silence. I listened to both of them soon after I found Suicide Silence. I agree with what you said about Job For A Cowboys commercial success, but honestly their "Genesis" album is a frequent listen of mine to this day, and I think it is greatly underappreciated. With the direction their music went with "Sun Eater", I really hope they put out another album, I think it would fuckin rip. It might be a little too parroted, but I think it's worth repeating that the members of Job For a Cowboy were in their early teens when they started up the band. They're great musicians who I don't think get the respect they deserve.

[@Thenewbronzeagecollapse]

JFAC, just like Whitechapel, have done a very good thing by turning into a technical death metal band, since they're becoming more and more influential with the time. Davy's other project Serpent Of Gnosis has been getting a lot of credit as well.

[@bryanlassiter698]

I also have to take umbrage with your dismissal of Underoath. From 1997-2003 they were fundamentally a different band than the one most people know and love. They were heavier, with harsher vocals. Only after Dallas Taylor left the band did they evolve into the version of the band that exists today. That needs to be taken into account rather than dismissing them offhand because they formed in 1997. Really the version of Underoath that all scene kids love formed in 2004 with the release of "They're Only Chasing Safety".

[@Dannnomite]

What he said ☝🏽

[@gavinotoole2864]

BMTH is probably my favorite band ever. I've been listening to them for a while(since i was 13, now 21) Sempiternal is my favorite album from them and is a perfect album in my opinion. I love how experimental they have become. Their latest e.p. Post human survival horror is really good and might become my favorite album of theirs over sempiternal.

[@triplesixmafia]

!!!! you should’ve mentioned that JUST LIKE Slayer, SS also had a short nu metal phase. Slayer had Diabolus in Musica (almost pure nu metal) and SS had that awful self titled album AND they also BOTH had 1 album was kind of nu metal but combined it with their usual stuff (for Slayer’s case it’s God Hates Us All and for SS it’s The Black Crown)

[@Shanx_Trxrs]

It was really fun to have my own quick mental analysis to try and predict your choices, I only got 2 right, what a great video, it made me remember how I have a soft spot for this kind of music

[@Egleolenjap]

It's been many long years and I'm a full grown adult now but when I see Oli Sykes I click on the video ... But regarding the big 4 .. A Day to Remember, Escape the Fate (Ronnie's era), Bring Me the Horizon and All Time Low were definitely in the main mix back then and still are..

[@nandochavez4546]

I can't understand how Bring Me the Horizon isn't bigger than All Time Low, like forreal i was living in a third world shithole when my friends and i discovered them and i din't even know what All Time Low was

[@guaripolo69]

word dude. same from me, all time low wasnt a thing in chile, but BMTH was fucking everywhere.

[@emaheiwa8174]

Porque en su primer pico de popularidad (2007-2009) en Latinoamérica estaban todos locos con MCR y fall out boy

[@kimirosewood2003]

I'm the opposite way, like I love bmth, but I was an All Time Low kid, and they're still my favorite band. But they also have alot of commercial success, which is why I see it.

[@djomla9999]

Same here. I'm from southeastern Europe and BMTH is way bigger...

[@nandochavez4546]

@@kimirosewood2003 Yeah i like them too, but is the popularity thing that surpriced me

[@Kam27892]

A good comparative study there. Nicely done in APA 7 format.

[@undinism69]

I'm mentally weird I think. I was "early" into most scenes music, almost 50, yet I never think "omg I'm old".

[@dbmdrums1105]

Aah that... Gar Samuelsons Style of drumming from 7:45 is kick ass man!

[@mydogslikeboiledeggs7094]

So, you were way too old for this crap even when it first came out.

[@twoatejaun]

@@mydogslikeboiledeggs7094 No he was already cool before it came out is what he is saying

[@samanthawright6266]

Pierce the vail and sleeping with sirens are legends! Just saw sleeping with sirens in august…. Literally such epic shows!

[@mychalherber5894]

PTV was my gateway into the scene and I know they were for a lot of other people too. I think the fact that there were 4 years between Collide with the Sky and Misadventures might have led to them falling off a bit, and they haven't released anything since. You can only rely on people listening to the same 4 albums for so long I guess 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@cyoptic_dnb]

You're the best brutha.. I love your open minded look at all the genres. Great channel.

[@piramaniak]

I completely agree, I’m amazed that I guessed all four before you said them! Let’s hope for a “Big Four of Scene” tour in 2022 😂

[@iambyrd1963]

We used to see them every year. RIP Warped Tour...

[@piramaniak]

@@iambyrd1963 I’m in the UK so never got the chance, seen them all at various festivals over the years but a combined tour would be amazing!

[@NewFoundLove]

Bro I love how you keep out past scenes relevant man I love watching these vids and honestly before I saw this list I had came up with the same big 4 scene bands!! So accurate with the details props!!

[@ShadowGuitarist13]

Bring me the horizon, ADTR, All Time Low, and Asking Alexandria are my big 4 of scene bands

[@mlrdmn]

i appreciate learning about all this stuff that i did not know about, would love see more videos covering a wider reach of alt music.

[@EMO_alpha]

Scene gets a big 100! Scene kids listened to so many different genres and so many different bands and they were all awesome.

[@arjunnijhawan7231]

Cool thumbnail. Also, I know exactly what Finn is talking about regarding Thrice and Enter Shikari fans. That was pretty much me in high school. Still geek out over Thrice, but only in private lol.

[@rental3190]

My Big4 guess before finishing; Underoath, Chiodos, Bring Me, and my throwaway because ticket sales matter is Sleeping With Sirens. Scene bands of that time and all.

[@iheartemo69]

I concur 100%

[@rental3190]

@UCw-u9b1azJMXDiuMqwhba2w Agreed, friend. Trust, they’re not a heartfelt inclusion, we all know numbers matter. Turns out he even specifies that point later in the vid lol.

[@notstarboard]

Did anyone listen to Chiodos?

[@rental3190]

@@notstarboard lol honestly, barely. They seemed like one of those bands everyone else really liked back then. They still seemed to have that pioneering fundamental vibe though just because of Craig Owen’s persona’s impact.

[@notstarboard]

@@rental3190 I never listened to them myself but I'm not doubting their impact! Just surprised to hear a "big four" candidate I'd never really heard much of anything about lol. Like their name would come up but I don't think I knew anyone who was really into them.

[@katelynkoenig848]

I'm almost 25, and it is so weird to see your childhood in a 20 minute video. I feel old, but I really miss this time. It was just so damn fun.

[@bertfinland6720]

I agree with a lot of what you said about TDWP. They did appear to be embarrassed about being one of the "scene-kid" bands. However, I don't think they changed much musically, and they absolutley should be one of the big four. Great video though Finn!

[@christiancastillo927]

They about to be back on top with the upcoming Zombie II EP 🔥🔥🔥

[@meek88]

Been meanig to ask for ages - Why did you drop the vocals from the intro? Nothing got me pumped more than "STRAIGHT TO YOUR FACE..."!!

[@larryvorderwuseldecke8338]

Did finn ever talk about „While She Sleeps“? They seem right up his DIY style alley

[@twinny_mi]

when he talked abt BMTH one of the first bands that I can think of today that are influenced by them is While She Sleeps I just listened to their music today lmao

[@MeetLocalSingles]

I dropped him a comment regarding their Sleeps Society patreon on a video a while ago, he replied and he's definitely at least aware of them. I'd love to hear if he has anything more to say about them though! Been one of my favourite bands since This Is The Six

[@Blindtechnician]

He talked about them on a podcast he did with intervals.

[@TaylorSpraungel]

Yesssssss we need a vid about them. They even did a song with oli

[@anperson9850]

My favorite internet metal nerd "own" of Suicide Silence was calling "The Cleansing" "the cleaning"

[@lokiokvltys4667]

I feel like with ptv and Sws, they almost have to be considered a package They’re great friends with each other constantly tour together and both of their biggest songs is the one song ptv and Kellin did together Their fandoms are damn near inseparable, I’ve very rarely met a fan of one that wasn’t a fan of the other

[@TheMrDavidCurran]

Hello. I loved PTV, though didn't like SWS. I think I just didn't like Kellin to be honest.

[@iambyrd1963]

I remember a stretch where they played 3-4 times here in south Florida in 18 months if you include Warped.

[@lamzevee]

@@TheMrDavidCurran same here. Never got into SWS but have a literal PTV tattoo on my body and still listen to them regularly lol

[@HARIB0]

not all of us, i never really got into sws but especially around 2016 i was a massive ptv stan lol

[@aweshumandy]

10:50 the way I think this break-off happened was that I think this is the era in which we really saw the youth be interested in multiple genres and subcultures. When I was growing up the mall emo and scene kids didn't really listen to mainstream music or even underground hip-hop. sure there were some (like me), but it wasn't everyone. compared to my generation, even 2-5 years below me, I saw more variety in people's music interests. people usually had "phases" rather than a wide range of interests. they went from this genre to that genre, never really continuing to support that band that they used to listen to and at the same time, no new generations were getting into that artist because a new genre or subculture came along that grabbed the attention of most youth. I think that really has changed in the last decade, especially the last few years.

[@kyllllllllle]

The thing is, a lot of us who grew up at that time loved some of these bands buuuuuut MCR was kind of always at the top of our lists. Like it didn’t matter if you preferred heavier or more melodic music - everyone loved MCR more than any other band. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jonkuenning]

lol I'm a a huge thrice fan and get a kick out of when "we're" mentioned. I think thrice misses this video's mark in the same aspect as UnderOath. I still record and produce metal/metalcore music but I've always appreciated Thrice's evolution and for me learning their songs form identity crisis in guitar lessons grew along with them w/o knowing it. For me their new records are always what I want from them. Which is much different than most bands I like. Example I want August Burns Red and bands like Silent Planet, Erra, etc to keep putting out the previous album, just heavier. But then again I've been good with how Architects' sound has changed but honestly Lost Forever // Lost Together is/will always be my favorite record of theirs.

[@TonyTheFloridian]

All Time Low is actually the band that got me into music in 2012

[@catmanfish007]

All time low was mos def a band that has inspired me and got me into playing instruments again and music even in general. I still have so many of their songs on my main playlist. they def got me through *blush* middle school. but still been into them with new stuff. I love them like I love MCR.

[@olivegarden322]

I feel like girls listened to Sleeping with Sirens and Pierce the Veil cause they were crushing on Vic Fuentes and Kellin Quinn. Which could be true for the other bands but that could explain the rise and fall of those particular ones.

[@iambyrd1963]

100% Same with Black Veil Brides, and Escape The Fate.

[@olivegarden322]

@@iambyrd1963 😅 Wasn’t gonna point it out. I’m guilty of those. I still listen to Falling in Reverse because of what Ronnie looked like in 2006 🤗

[@jared1153]

Has piece the veil ever had a fall off? Everything they’ve made has pretty much been integral to the season and pretty much release music whenever they feel like it. Overall bad take, PTV still hold up strong and are far beyond a girl band at this point

[@iambyrd1963]

@@olivegarden322 He had the "bad boy" thing going too. He was such an ass, but he was stunningly good looking, and somewhat talented as well.

[@olivegarden322]

@@dream_in_digital Why do you assume I think men’s music taste is strictly about music? Most people don’t take critical thinking skills to their music taste at all. Have you ever heard the phrase People either want to Fuck you Be you or Kill you? The industry is built on analyzing people as a whole (read stereotyping) and making them want to do one of those three things. So yes you can be relating to the artist as is probably the case with many artists. But there are also many artists that create fame with controversy. And there are many artists that create their fan base off of desire. At least historically. Yes it’s cringe worthy but that’s the industry. Was The Pretty Reckless a more Male or a more Female fan base? And consider the offensive behavior Hayley Williams has faced being an Icon in that culture. I’m sorry I offended you and maybe it is outdated but those bands were marketed to that audience and there has always been sexism and other bias in marketing. It’s not meant to be offensive. They wanted to be rockstars. They make pretty good whiny breakup songs. You think they were appealing to a strong independent person in general? Commercial success is in some ways determined by appearance to both and all sexes. Andy Biersak was famous for being pretty before anything else. All of Ronnie Radkes songs that aren’t about mental illness and abandonment issues are about women. There’s all types of reasons these people pursue their art but tell me you’ve never met a man who learned to play guitar because “it would get them laid” and yes young women are the naive people who fall into that game.

[@daviddr115111]

i really like that you gave some love to thrash metal while talking about more modern metal.

[@reptar5124]

I literally said to myself BMTH, SS, AA and ADTR. Nailed it

[@Daffy149]

Same here, the list is so on point.

[@Leah-vb3ud]

U said u don't have much atl fan subscriberz....I'm a huge all time low fan so hello!!! Also for me, Sleeping With Sirens and Pierce The Veil where definitely the 2 bands that got me into the more heavier scene (after my mcr and fall out boy phase and I wanted something more). Those bands inspired me to write song lyrics and play guitar and shaped a lot of who I am and I love them and also if u see this, can u please make a video on what happened to Pierce The Veil? Because this human misses them