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@ericsnyder5427
@ericsnyder5427 Жыл бұрын
Chris Jones is borderline unstoppable. I enjoyed watching him slide over to end on passing downs as he's quite nimble for that size. His battles with Creed Humphrey's in practice must be frightening 🧟
@ckmoore101
@ckmoore101 Жыл бұрын
Iron sharpening Iron. Creed has credited Jones as really elevating his game.
@josephjones981
@josephjones981 Жыл бұрын
@@ckmoore101 that makes sense, they both are having all pro years
@KCCheez
@KCCheez Жыл бұрын
Imagine him lined up beside an above average DT. He’d rule! I’d bet almost no one outside KC can name another Chiefs DT.
@moose4ku440
@moose4ku440 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your breakdown and the fact you're willing to show some criticism even for a guy as popular as Mahomes
@CharlieRogers50
@CharlieRogers50 Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree Moose. He's really good but he certainly isn't perfect...which is very scary. 😦😦
@jared1750
@jared1750 Жыл бұрын
That's what I love. After I got over the initial letdown of the last AFC Championship, I came to watch his analysis of Mahomes and it was just so good and in depth and gave credit where it was due and detracted where it was due. Just one of the best doing this for the popular audience.
@coastfan24
@coastfan24 Жыл бұрын
That’s why I love Jt man. He just spits facts. Not a lot of bias. Just showing you what the tape says
@vijayvarghese1652
@vijayvarghese1652 Жыл бұрын
I'm a diehard chiefs fan and mahomes is great but he's not perfect. No player is. There's always room for improvement
@davidmussman9924
@davidmussman9924 Жыл бұрын
Great content. Arrowhead was so great last night.
@TheQBSchool
@TheQBSchool Жыл бұрын
Thanks, David. I bet y'all were rocking.
@12jswilson
@12jswilson Жыл бұрын
@@TheQBSchool I'm told the vibes were immaculate and the Bengals fans were gracious before, during, and after the game as well.
@TheOriginalSting
@TheOriginalSting Жыл бұрын
@@12jswilson bengals fans were arrogant before, but very humble after. Great time at the game ✅
@warpeace8891
@warpeace8891 Жыл бұрын
This translates to many sports. When you have a sportsperson that is uniquely great, analysts become spectators and spectators become awestruck. Patrick Mahomes is on a level of his own. I have felt the same way watching Michael Jordan, Ayrton Senna, Roger Federer, and many others who took their sports craft to new heights..... Just wow!
@danmorgan7775
@danmorgan7775 Жыл бұрын
On the last play you see the way #77 immediately sprints over to help up Mahomes on the sideline. Tells you all you need to know about how they feel about him in the building. Very gritty performance.
@TrevorX3
@TrevorX3 Жыл бұрын
I hadn't noticed that - thanks for pointing that out. Big man was MOVING to protect his QB.
@imyourfarmer9215
@imyourfarmer9215 Жыл бұрын
The way he moves in the pocket and then slings it off platform reminds me of 80s Elway. Not a chief fan, but he plays QB at such a high level, couple that with Andy Reids brain and you cant help but appreciate the contributions/evolutions to the game.
@Trandview
@Trandview Жыл бұрын
I am a Chiefs fan and have always said that Mahomes is Elway 2.0
@joemulthauf
@joemulthauf Жыл бұрын
Elway couldn't hold Mahomes jockstrap
@Trandview
@Trandview Жыл бұрын
@@roberta949 Ex baseball player at his best at 3rd and long. Throws across the field against the grain...multiple superbowls early int the career.....I just feel like this was how Elway use to dominate the Chiefs, and how Pat play
@KSU-ce2uc
@KSU-ce2uc Жыл бұрын
@@joemulthauf I'm a Chiefs fan and Elway probably had a stronger more accurate arm. He threw a prettier bomb pass. Elway got drafted in baseball in the 2nd round. Mahomes in the 7th. Elway ran more and was a more physical runner. Elway was the master of the shovel pass and so is Mahomes. All that being said, I'm so glad we're finally paying the Broncos back for all those years they upset us at the end of so many games. I love Mahomes but no sense in denying how good Elway was as well. I'd take Mahomes over Elway of course.
@blackfreud9048
@blackfreud9048 Жыл бұрын
I love JT’s QB snark…..(“Can’t catch it for ya!”).
@GoldenpaydirtReviews
@GoldenpaydirtReviews Жыл бұрын
I love your precise vision during these breakdowns! Patrick Mahomes is different, that’s all! Just made out of the right DNA
@mattiasgamin9640
@mattiasgamin9640 Жыл бұрын
Love the breakdown. And I totally agree, Mahomes has an uncanny ability to be just fast enough, again and again. It’s like he preserves his speed through out the game by not using more than just enough on each scramble.
@04dcd
@04dcd Жыл бұрын
I can't find the tweet thread but one of his strength and training coaches did an explanation on how Mahomes by the numbers, contrary to how funny it may look, has elite acceleration in short spaces and it's something they really work on with specific exercises. It was actually really interesting. And a good reminder how often the things we think look accidental or uncanny actually have a lot of training hours behind them.
@stevemikels4926
@stevemikels4926 Жыл бұрын
His 40 time has been described as ". 1 second faster than the guy chasing him." 😂
@desertninja2775
@desertninja2775 Жыл бұрын
He said the guy chasing him may be faster but he's not as scared lol
@csb78nm
@csb78nm Жыл бұрын
Great breakdown yet again. Love it. As far as Mahomes... just enjoy greatness when you see it. Enjoy it even more when it's broken down for you by pro-level eyes and knowledge.
@tribulation138
@tribulation138 Жыл бұрын
Its like a broken record on how open Travis Kelce is in the middle of the field constantly. All his routes are very similar in every game. Even when Alex Smith was the QB, Kelce was catching passes left and right.
@TheShepdawg9
@TheShepdawg9 Жыл бұрын
It doesn't make any sense does it?
@spesto5067
@spesto5067 Жыл бұрын
Feels like a bit of scheme and a bit of kelces own understanding of coverage. There are games where kelce becomes a non factor but it always frees someone else up.
@faveology
@faveology Жыл бұрын
@spe sto On the Kelce podcast, Travis Kelce says a lot of how he gets open is due to scheme. Reid will design and call plays to get Travis Kelce the ideal matchups (like one on ones). Obviously Kelce improvises at times as well (such as his TD catch in this game
@ct9737
@ct9737 Жыл бұрын
That play Pat made throwing across his body to Hardman,was a pure shortstop throw to second base on a double play🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@chuw9325
@chuw9325 Жыл бұрын
It made you feel quite sorry to see how conservative / simple the playcalling had to get with injured Mahomes end of Q3, because 4 of your first 5 WR were out (84 didn't dress up, illness) and your RB/TE were more or less playing WR, while being banged up. 1st down: Run, 2nd down: Screen, 3rd down: Shot (or a quick prayer that 15 safes them here). Very tough kid!
@stephenfloyd127
@stephenfloyd127 Жыл бұрын
Kelce talked about it briefly on his podcast. It wasn't planned. He talks about wishing he had lateraled to Noah Gray. He thinks he would have scored.
@CharlieRogers50
@CharlieRogers50 Жыл бұрын
You lollygag on the wheel route, you lollygag to the sideline, you lollygag on the deep cross. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MAKES YOU????
@TheQBSchool
@TheQBSchool Жыл бұрын
yup
@bac26c
@bac26c Жыл бұрын
The correct answer is “lollygaggers”
@patricegravino8120
@patricegravino8120 Жыл бұрын
IMHO, Mahomes throws the football as if it were a baseball. That's how he competes passes from almost any position, especially cross-body throws. It's like he's playing shortstop!! Don't know what to call it ... but it is really fun to watch!
@ChumblesMumbles
@ChumblesMumbles Жыл бұрын
The athletic trainers gave him a miracle tape job, that's for sure.
@frankiegumdrops8532
@frankiegumdrops8532 Жыл бұрын
You’re the man JT. Love these breakdowns.
@TheGoodChap
@TheGoodChap Жыл бұрын
Kelce said on the podcast he just felt like he should lateral it because it could end in a td lol. Idk how he makes insane decisions like that but hes a funny guy. Kind of makes sense why he didn't become a qb, reid was not super happy
@albecky123
@albecky123 Жыл бұрын
I'm a Bengals fan but Mahomes was a beast in this game. Thank you for breaking it down for someone like me who doesn't really "get it" unless sometimes points it all out to me.
@HeySenatorArnold
@HeySenatorArnold Жыл бұрын
I’ll never understand how tech could only win 6 games a year with him at qb. I was there to see every game, and it was so infuriating because he held on to the ball forever for something to happen. High risk, high reward.
@joemulthauf
@joemulthauf Жыл бұрын
The tech coach was an idiot and he showed it in Arizona
@CastroJr92
@CastroJr92 Жыл бұрын
had one of the worst defenses ever
@jamesmilton6331
@jamesmilton6331 Жыл бұрын
saw a breakdown on that a while ago, basically, our defense was soo bad, he HAD to get a big play every time, because not scoring on any given drive usually meant we lost the game. It was one of the key things Andy had to coach out of him early on. Its why defenses focus so much on taking away the big play the last few years. And why his conversion to taking the under throws was key to continue winning after the early success. So many thought that he was a one trick, big play pony and he couldn't be that good in the repetative short game. Turns out they were wrong.
@zionnewkirk4838
@zionnewkirk4838 Жыл бұрын
​@@CastroJr92 Not to mention his o-line was the epitome of trash itself!😂😂
@jvc8947
@jvc8947 Жыл бұрын
I love your dry cometary. Keep it on the😊 ball
@TheQBSchool
@TheQBSchool Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@rodneysmith603
@rodneysmith603 Жыл бұрын
Love this content. It's a shame that the big networks don't have this kind of content on a week to week basis. You may get a minute of scheme breakdown and then the other 99% is the talking heads squawking at one another. Next level stuff!!!
@shayeasy
@shayeasy Жыл бұрын
the 4th and 1 play is designed to go to kelce, capitalizing off the defense’s aggressiveness and the chiefs’ tendency to throw it short on sprint right plays like that one. there’s footage of them talking about it during the timeout before the play, and mahomes is smiling because he knows it’s going to work.
@montollo1098
@montollo1098 Жыл бұрын
Excellent breakdown as always. Thanks !
@kenhagen6122
@kenhagen6122 Жыл бұрын
At the 14:20 mark I feel like the safety sees Mahomes step up and might think Mahomes is going to run to the open space for a good size gain. He was injured, but clearly looked mobile enough that maybe they thought he was capable of running.
@vincenzofrancis9015
@vincenzofrancis9015 Жыл бұрын
Keep it up dawg appreciate your commentary. Insightful, helpful and entertaining!
@youthjazz
@youthjazz Жыл бұрын
The (feels like) temperature during that game was 2 degrees. I'm surprised there weren't more mishandles. The ball was a rock.
@ForrestFairie
@ForrestFairie 4 ай бұрын
Love to see someone explaining Mahomes speed the same way I do. He's not that fast compared to a lot of guys, but really turns on the speed when he needs it, and I'm sure having guys as big as that chasing you adds some motivation.
@boki424
@boki424 Жыл бұрын
Great video, as usual. Thank you. :)
@Vhscamargo
@Vhscamargo Жыл бұрын
Kelce also executed a hook and ladder to Lesean McCoy in week 4 of 2019. I guess it's like you said, he has the option to do that in any play
@matthewwolff4518
@matthewwolff4518 Жыл бұрын
Kelce was playing hurt. I think maybe he just didn’t want to get tackled.
@Deondre_Clark
@Deondre_Clark Жыл бұрын
I love Joe Burrow. He's phenomenal. The he's better than Mahomes chatter was really silly though. Mahomes is 1 of 1.
@nachobroryan8824
@nachobroryan8824 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe they won with Mahomes stuck in the pocket.
@PantherNationn
@PantherNationn Жыл бұрын
Ikr! 😹
@CharlieRogers50
@CharlieRogers50 Жыл бұрын
He's elite from the pocket as well, he's just ungodly outside of it! Plus Chris Jones and the Chiefs D stepped up big time. That rarely happens for the Chiefs.
@richardsinclair7661
@richardsinclair7661 Жыл бұрын
They did benefit from inconsistent officiating (I'm a Chiefs fan), but I think the more important part was that the Chiefs defense stepped up big time. Chris Jones in particular was a force.
@B2Roland
@B2Roland Жыл бұрын
Glued to the pocket without able to get any real zip either. Bengals ain't them.
@jb.8169
@jb.8169 Жыл бұрын
Why? That's just silly
@phillipcothran
@phillipcothran Жыл бұрын
Mahomes is a beast of a passer.
@kmarasin
@kmarasin Жыл бұрын
20:15 That first ref threw his flag so high I never saw it on the broadcast
@Erwincm33
@Erwincm33 Жыл бұрын
"But he was faking the injury." "The NFL is rigged" 🤣🤣🤣
@brambo5670
@brambo5670 Жыл бұрын
Want to talk about no calls? Look at damn near every down Jones is in. Gets held even when he gets the sack.
@brambo5670
@brambo5670 Жыл бұрын
Or the refs giving Cincinnati a free timeout.
@thedude6267
@thedude6267 Жыл бұрын
This is excellent analysis
@CraigBramscher
@CraigBramscher Жыл бұрын
Love the way you describe the mahomes kelce chemistry (telepathy?)
@harrymills2770
@harrymills2770 Жыл бұрын
On the TD to MVS on 3rd and 10 where the safety bit on #24's route to the inside, maybe the thinking is that they can cover #11, but #24 is going to win that crosser against 1-on-1 all day long. Maybe Moore was seen as the bigger threat, there.
@Fredford99
@Fredford99 Жыл бұрын
Love your analysis and the way you "step through the plays so much I subscribed. Even the mentioning of the "Block in the Back"" conspiracy theory didn't bother me.
@andrewedwards8137
@andrewedwards8137 Жыл бұрын
Ya really this last play people are blaming the bengals loss on the “missed” holding call and the “shit” call on the shove on patty. These are normal plays that are always called like this but nobody cared till it worked in the chiefs favor
@88wildcat
@88wildcat Жыл бұрын
And all of the "they never call holding on the Chiefs" ers forget that the Chiefs had a touchdown in the first quarter wiped off because of a holding penalty.
@whitewhale9012
@whitewhale9012 Жыл бұрын
There was no holding on mahomes scramble. Nobody who played a down in the trenches would say otherwise.
@jeremyjs8863
@jeremyjs8863 Жыл бұрын
Tip top !
@Chiefskingdom58
@Chiefskingdom58 Жыл бұрын
That Toney TD “no catch” looked like a catch, when zooming in on replay doesn’t ever look like it touched the ground. Close but feel it was a catch… regardless, his back was to the line judge. How is he able to determine it wasn’t a catch? Probably should have been called a TD and then let the scoring play be reviewed.
@88wildcat
@88wildcat Жыл бұрын
Eventually they got around to showing an angle that showed the ball hit the ground but they took their sweet time before showing it.
@joaquinsolis7071
@joaquinsolis7071 Жыл бұрын
He also had it then crossed the goal then fumbled it. To me that’s a td once he crossed the goal line but guess not
@rodneysmith603
@rodneysmith603 Жыл бұрын
@@joaquinsolis7071 these days when going to the ground you have to complet the catch by maintaining possession. Sadly he didn't.
@theakk8117
@theakk8117 Жыл бұрын
Downplayed his injury (unlike Hurts), throwing to absolute dustballs and still gets it done. The best I've ever seen.
@12jswilson
@12jswilson Жыл бұрын
All injuries and players are different. I don't think Hurts hyped up his injury. Mahomes definitely has some of the Wolverine healing factor
@garrettsebastian9928
@garrettsebastian9928 Жыл бұрын
Hurts didn’t exaggerate his injury. It was week 16 and the eagles were basically locked in to the 1 seed. There was no need to play him.
@theakk8117
@theakk8117 Жыл бұрын
Nothing against Hurts here. He did not hype up or exaggerate per say but certainly acknowledged that he was not 100% whereas Mahomes said he'd be ready to go. It was a Pro-Mahomes comment not an Anti-Hurts.
@TheShepdawg9
@TheShepdawg9 Жыл бұрын
Lol, what? So Kelce didn't catch a tonne of balls whilst wide open, and MVS didn't play at an elite level? You're bullshitting yourself
@theakk8117
@theakk8117 Жыл бұрын
@@TheShepdawg9 Yes Kelce is great (MVS is one of the dustballs), but if you don't think your watching the best QB to ever play then you need to learn more about football champ...
@ct9737
@ct9737 Жыл бұрын
Where have you been brother,I love your breakdowns 👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻
@lukesmith1003
@lukesmith1003 Жыл бұрын
JT, when you talk about corners and safeties turning their back and only covering shoulder width, what do you suggest as an adjustment these guys could make to make that balance between looking and booking?
@cbarnett1814
@cbarnett1814 Жыл бұрын
If the db cant look back at all to find the ball when the throw is made, they are out of position meaning already beat and usingbthe wrong technique
@joaquinsolis7071
@joaquinsolis7071 Жыл бұрын
Mahomes has done this before with the fumble. When he needs to get the ball out asap he doesn’t seem to get the right grip first. It happened on a goal line play with hardman. He didn’t grip it right and he missed a wide open hardman for a td. Oh well something to work on
@SignatureGala
@SignatureGala Жыл бұрын
Dude. Love your analysis. The word is "versus," not, "verse."
@TheQBSchool
@TheQBSchool Жыл бұрын
Thank
@chessman70
@chessman70 Жыл бұрын
Kyle shanahan will always live in infamy for passing up on Mahomes... Infamy
@bdrip1k
@bdrip1k Жыл бұрын
did they actually have a chance at drafting him I don’t remember where the 49ers drafted that year
@CharlieRogers50
@CharlieRogers50 Жыл бұрын
It's important to remember the context. Shanahan was in his first year as HC for San Fran. Mahomes was a project QB and many scouting department thought he'd go at the end of the first round, maybe even early 2nd. For most he was not considered a sure-fire prospect, in fact quite the contrary as most felt he was one of the riskier players coming out. I'd also argue without the grooming he received from Andy Reid and Alex Smith that first year he wouldn't be the player he is today. Would he have worked out for a HC like Shanahan who was green as hell at the time? Would he be the same player? Would he be even better? Who's to say. But it took a seasoned HC/GM combination like Reid and Dorsey to make that trade and move up to take him WAY ahead of where he was projected to go, because if it didn't work out they would be ok because of their credibility with the Chiefs organization and fans as well as their safety net in Alex Smith. To risk the #2 or #3 pick on a guy and take that swing in your first year, and then if he didn't work out? Whether you like it or not Shanahan's ass is on the line in that scenario, and only the most established HCs/GMs could make that kind of investment. Sean Peyton and the Saints make sense. If he would've gotten Mahomes at #11 he'd still be coaching, no doubt in my mind.
@88wildcat
@88wildcat Жыл бұрын
@@bdrip1k Yeah, they picked third overall and chose Solomon Thomas instead. Not as bad of a faux pas as trading up to #2 in order to draft Mitch Trubinsky like the Bears did but bad. Let's also remember that Cleveland had the first pick overall and, although Myles Garrett has turned out to be a pretty good pick, he is not Patrick Mahomes.
@88wildcat
@88wildcat Жыл бұрын
@@CharlieRogers50 You could have explained the dynamics easier by saying Shanahan didn't want to risk doing what the Bears did.
@88wildcat
@88wildcat Жыл бұрын
Just as well, if he followed the career path of the typical 49er quarterback of the last decade he would have spent half of the year on IR anyway.
@search4truth104
@search4truth104 Жыл бұрын
So tired of hearing about officiating. Its the new NFL. Bengals had 2 chances late in game to take lead. They ultimately made the costly blatant penalty.
@Bandwithbrass
@Bandwithbrass Жыл бұрын
Beasties Ref..... Nouyice!
@samidavis3146
@samidavis3146 Жыл бұрын
1st for this. PM greatness personify
@povertyspec9651
@povertyspec9651 Жыл бұрын
ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS CHIEFS
@brindlebucker4741
@brindlebucker4741 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed this. Was rooting for the Bengals, but had to grudgingly admit that Mahomes showed up- even with the bum wheel. He did enough to win them the game. And you know, against Joe Brrrr and these Bengals, that's no mean feat. I can't help but wonder though, if Joe Burrow doesn't get sacked so frequently in the opening drives if this game doesn't end differently.
@Jdeneik
@Jdeneik Жыл бұрын
If your team, any team can’t score more points than the refs mistakes, then you’re going to lose some games because of the refs. Solution? Outscore the officiating.
@twostepz4982
@twostepz4982 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your hard work. Although, I think Maholmes can’t win against the eagles this time.
@joaquinsolis7071
@joaquinsolis7071 Жыл бұрын
Mahomes is 4-0 vs top 10 defenses this season
@Byronic19134
@Byronic19134 Жыл бұрын
Fast enough for Bengals but unless he's fully healthy he's not going to be fast enough for that Eagles pass rush and that Eagles secondary is going to let those gunslinger plays not result in a couple picks. CGJ and Slay will be sitting all over routes waiting for those passes while Reddick and Sweat are breathing down Mahones neck and when he goes to step up in pocket he will be met by guys like Hargreaves, Cox and Suh.
@spacexbrawler
@spacexbrawler Жыл бұрын
100%. After the beat down we saw against the 49ers and Giants... oof. I like Mahomes a lot I would have enjoyed a clean battle between him and Hurts, but both have sustained injuries unfortunately.
@12ollin47s
@12ollin47s Жыл бұрын
This is what everyone said the last 7 games the chiefs played. I watched it first hand. "Those Chiefs can't beat the 49ers, they have too many weaknesses". "They can't beat the so and so's, too many injuries". "They lost Tyreek, they arent going to make the playoffs". "They have 6 rookie starters on defense, they are lucky to be winning games". The Bengals and Bills have such better rosters.... duh duh duh duh. It's dumb. Just watch the games. The Chiefs are better, it's clear as day every game.
@recycledone5941
@recycledone5941 Жыл бұрын
Mahomes has faced comparable defenses, including putting up 44 on this year's 49ers.
@joaquinsolis7071
@joaquinsolis7071 Жыл бұрын
Mahomes 4-0 vs top 10 defenses this season. Also I wouldn’t put too much on beating Danny dimes and 49 ers on their 4th string qb
@12ollin47s
@12ollin47s Жыл бұрын
You were saying?
@pauldaily6201
@pauldaily6201 Жыл бұрын
Always have loved the review of specific, skill plays, if shown with accuracy. However, you talk way too much. Too much commentary where you are not adding anything except, "lostsa moving parts, nice break, there's a few things here, availability-wise," but you don't let the film do the explaining...the talking..... while you are....your comments should align with the film being shown otherwise, one of you is irrelevant. Nice you have playing experience, but your verbal enhancement to the visuals?....no, you are out of sync with the film. It's work listening to you. I'm done.
@TheShepdawg9
@TheShepdawg9 Жыл бұрын
Mahomes is fantastic yet somehow overrated. He's not better than the other top qbs in the game, his receivers are just wide open more frequently. Andy Reid must be an absolute freak.
@TheQBSchool
@TheQBSchool Жыл бұрын
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@keithwhite8808
@keithwhite8808 Жыл бұрын
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@patrickarrington3871
@patrickarrington3871 Жыл бұрын
Overrated? You have no clue. Mahomes makes plays and big time throws that only he can make when his receivers aren't open. He still has to make the right read and get the ball there. Alex Smith was in the same offense and only produced 1 playoff win. So it's just not about the receivers getting open.
@joaquinsolis7071
@joaquinsolis7071 Жыл бұрын
Please tell me who’s better.
@TheShepdawg9
@TheShepdawg9 Жыл бұрын
@@patrickarrington3871 you're making my point. Alex Smith, who was basically awful his entire career, had a fantastic season under Reid in his final year. A mediocre QB did well in that system. Mahomes is a great QB, but what's separating him from the others is not his talent, it's the players and scheming. People have made off-balance, play-extending acts for years, be it Stafford or Rodgers, nowadays even Herbert and Allen, but people just focus on Mahomes' more because he's the NFL's love child, in all honesty probably due to his biracial background in a time that the NFL is trying to water down racism rumours. For God's sake, go watch old Aaron Rodgers film and tell me how Mahomes is better than that.
@mattungashick7959
@mattungashick7959 Жыл бұрын
Just noticed, the throw back sail/corner to MVS, you didn't mention it, but it was the burst stem we love and you see Hilton haul ass to stay on his hip, then MVS crosses face for easy separation. 🤌
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