Canadian Perspective, and the Importance of Building a Network, with Catherine Kronas

[@aaronkindsvatter5615]

Another wonderful video. Appreciate you both. So happy to see Catherine on your channel Leslie.

[@joelhenry4643]

The videos are getting better and better. People are coming out of the woodwork thanks to Leslie and radical Center

[@BenjaminABoyce]

I’m hooked on you Leslie Elliot

[@theradicalcenter]

Likewise!

[@tixximmi1]

When the people are awake, great things shall happen. :)

[@CarobMarcelle]

I understand the point but I agree it’s still lying. People often say “but who does it hurt” it hurts the concept of truth. If my own child or a relative whom I loved was going through it. I still wouldn’t call them by their transitioning pronouns. I’d use their name and I’d make damn sure they as a HUMAN. Knew they mattered.

[@DannerCando-ev4fo]

I also worry that once you cross that line everything becomes blurry and women and children are the ones who are hurt. It’s buying in or sanctioning these concepts and once you do that we are where we are now. Yes, I feel bad for that person, but how many of them were truly groomed into this movement and would have never, ever thought of themselves in this way or made these choices in their life had it not been for social media and societal pressures of going along and being conned into this whole idea. As to the guest’s “people pleaser” comment-I think most people are still people-pleasers, especially youth, but even adults. We’re afraid to go against the grain for a whole variety of reasons, so we go along and it’s a major reason of how we got here.

[@DannerCando-ev4fo]

I really like how you handled the pronoun discussion Leslie. You are such a skilled and nuanced speaker. I really appreciate how you didn’t force yourself into a corner in the moment and gave yourself room and time to think more about it. Still I really worry that if we go there, we end up where we are now with women and children being hurt the most. Where do we draw the line with women’s spaces etc. We can make individual judgment calls but once we go this route it opens the door to accepting this belief system. It takes this way beyond how we treat individuals to how we navigate in the larger community together. I keep coming back to the interests of women and children and don’t feel comfortable or able to condone it. This whole movement went from .003 of the population (and something we can deal with as the unique one-off moments in life) to the explosion of trans identifying people today-thanks to the contagious spread of ideas found online as well as society’s willingness to go along before we even knew what was happening.

[@dafnaczudner9602]

Hello Catherine. How nice to see you.

[@Clem62]

So nice to hear there's movement in Canada now. Here in BC where I work there are a few people at work I can talk to about this. I'm gay they are straight men and I'm desperate to get the point across that this is not an LGB caused problem. We hate it and our young gay and lesbian kids are very much under attack for conversion therapy through transing the gay away.

[@spartan6005]

The white men seem to be vary uninformed aware I know many of them are under abuse by wives who are into this to abuse . If you do talk to them they may say something like well I only got a 4% rase and that’s why the roots are really happening and the talk shows they listen to leave out all this stuff she’s is talking about because they know who the audience is . The are all also stuck on a seventies eighties believe that the democrats have their back . If am in California. You may be dealing with right leaning still uninformed and are vary unaware that gay men are being erased and it’s not by whom they think it is .

[@humgap]

27:00 I could not disagree with Catherine more here, but I'm glad she has the right to say what she wants to say. May we all continue to have that right.

[@cram6916]

I genuinely have a new favorite channel. Each of your videos is better than the previous one. Thanks for doing this!

[@sivacrom]

I read Cynical Theories in October of 2020, and joined Counterweight via the weekly meetings with Jen. It's rough because I'm liberal and only a few of us delineate between "progressive" and "woke." On the conservative side, I see a lot of allies, but some of them see wokeness as an opportunity to convert liberals over to becoming conservative, as if all my views on all issues will just flip. On the other side are the radical gender critical feminists Catherine mentions, who will tie pronouns to sex, period. We can all have nuanced opinions and the hardest part of all of this is the full throttle attack on having nuanced opinions; collections of positions that make our politics and beliefs unique to us as individuals. For me, with pronouns, it's all about what I think is going to make the most sense to whoever's listening when I'm referring to someone by using a pronoun. If someone looks like, as Leslie says, Blaire White, I think it would feel really weird to call her "he/him." But if some butch woman with blue hair wants "they/them," I think that would confuse people if I didn't use "she/her." And, in fact, when I talk to radical feminists, I sometimes do refer to Blaire White as a he/him - just to consider who's listening to whatever I'm trying to communicate. I try to let it go, even if it feels weird. But, the bottom line is, pronouns are descriptions founded in language. They're not first names, titles, last names... They're much more akin to adjectives.

[@Knuck_Knucks]

If you ever experience an "Land Acknowledgement", use that opportunity to "acknowledge" something on your mind.

[@Knuck_Knucks]

After subscribing or unsubscribing to youtube channels, the terminology has infiltrated my lexicon. There are ideas I "subscribe" to, while there are ideas I don't subscribe to. The way I see it, you can choose to subscribe to someone's alleged 'identity' or not subscribe to it. Identity is a negotiation. If you can persuade me, maybe someday I'll subscribe. 🐿

[@pseudonamed]

Usually a land acknowledgement goes like this.. "We would like to acknowledge that we are having this talk/exhibit/conference on the traditional territory of the X and X nations." (in Canada most tribes are referred to as First Nations). So you would state the names of the specific nation or nations who used that land.

[@SPQRxUSAxNUSA]

The only thing I disapprove of is the use of Discord for meeting because it's partially owned by the CCP, and doesn't allow you to delete your data. Mastodon is the best social network I have seen so far.

[@arthurw8054]

Re the discussion about being polite, I agree, and saying "she" voluntarily, as a sign of respect for an individual in a social situation is hard to argue with. But I disagree with Catherine's justification in terms of appealing to notions of "feminine gender" apart from biological sex because it legitimizes the ideology by buying into their regressive use of stereotypes. If I am a man who likes pink all this means is that some men like pink. Cool discussion. More people need to be talking about this, thanks.