I Think I'm Getting Fired Tomorrow, How Do I Prepare For This?

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[@jjayguy23]

They’re probably trying to avoid giving him $20k.

[@l.s8904]

Yes Great point!

[@annstillwell730]

Bingo

[@mycupoverflows7811]

That was my first thought!

[@lucasjackson3300]

Yeah, I think that's exactly what's going on.

[@cz4761]

Yes, they are! They don't won't to give you the 20K.

[@therealdontclickme]

Something my dad told me, If you are promised something, get it in writing.

[@cannednolan8194]

I’ve been hired a one wage and got a lower wage. The person hiring me said oh no it was the amount your receiving that was negotiated. Which it’s was not cause I was already going to be getting less that I wanted but after probation it would be the wage I was looking for to cover my cost of living. I had turn down other jobs because they didn’t want to reach that wage.

[@guppygb6078]

It was in writing... what are you talking about? You think he can just say give me the $20k now instead of when the writing says he'll get it?

[@cannednolan8194]

@@guppygb6078 mine was verbal. I had experience I was there for the interview got hired during the interview. We negotiated I said $15/h. Which I had turned other places down for not being able to pay that. That was my cost of living. He replied $14/h for your six months probation then a $1/h raise after six months. Because of when I started between their pay days. I had to work three weeks before I got my first check. It was $13/h.

[@QuietRiot69]

Companies are not your friends. We are all just numbers and figures to them and not people. Be selfish and don't kill yourself for a company that has no problem getting rid of you.

[@stephenshelton4267]

Likewise, people should not idolize a company. I see people frequently with product logos tattooed on their bodies!

[@Chesu360]

That's why they call you a resource. That's why your a commodity has a price you can negotiate. If not then let's all be friends. Not!

[@alezandradavila2581]

Exactly lol

[@tcarp1616]

The reason why unions will start to pick up again

[@jimroscovius]

​@@tcarp1616 Union thugs are thieves and crooks.

[@justdl]

Got played by the company. They needed someone to keep things running while they outsource their stuff. They dangled the 20K in front of him to keep him there. There was no way he could have ‘improved’ to their expectations.

[@awsomo53]

This is exactly what happened

[@bagheerab278]

My biggest pet peeve of some employers. Lousy communication of expectations, then telling you how disappointed they are that you didn't meet them.

[@teekaybe4016]

exactly!! unless you can quantify the work ie. # of sales per month, % improved capacity of a machine.. ect...its very difficult to push back when management claims your work performance is not good. What I have learned is that the more you are seen the better others preserve you.And regardless of what metrics show management will likely give you a better review. I learned this the hard way.

[@kennethb6211]

I had a major company ask me repeatedly if I know what we do here I said no please give me a clear concise explanation they couldn't i was relised the next day. Lol

[@superblump87]

@@kennethb6211 you dropped the ball on that answer.

[@John3.36]

Probably intentional. This is an indirect way of laying off.

[@jimcole6423]

Many employers are like this.

[@pattyajones]

The feeling of impending termination is one of the worst feelings.

[@rayhawk8109]

Just went through this. The worst part is they were very unclear as to the exact reason as to why i was let go

[@rayhawk8109]

I was working at macys and was brought in by loss prevention, I was so confused, they have this like backwards way of like explaining what you did wrong acting and assuming you just know what happened or what you did and then questioning you and making you out to be the bad guy. I made my quota every month, had tons of postive reviews, mostly made my sales goals. Oh no one tiny stupid rule and your done

[@Bushidough]

For me it’s one of the best feelings

[@Lost-mb1gj]

I’m going through this right now, they cancelled my shifts for the rest of the weekend and I’m due on Monday “for a conversation”. I know what’s coming…

[@BillClinton228]

Especially when no one wants to talk to you or gives you any indication about why you're being fired.

[@philipgerry5228]

This is why Dave wants you to have 3-6 months of expenses in a safe place.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

I prefer 20 years.

[@dancalmpeaceful3903]

EXACTLY...!

[@philipgerry5228]

@@blackworldtraveler3711 That’s even better!!

[@hkmamacmd428]

Well, duh. Thats always nice when you can do this but not always possible for those who cant

[@302ec]

I was laid off once and it was truly a blessing. Turns out I was underpaid.

[@jimgbe7185]

Never rely on just one company. Always have choices ready once you hear anything about a lay offs. Update that resume and get back to business

[@RandomVids519]

People get to used to routine human’s are very predictable

[@realman1349]

Same when it comes to women 😂

[@2legit2Kwit]

Yes! My son has three jobs. KZbin, solar sales and amazon

[@mikesmith-wk7vy]

How convenient the company wants him to stay so they offer him money then fire him so they don’t have to give it to him . Trash bosses

[@reese85]

His work isn’t good

[@John3.36]

@@reese85 could be. Or it could be that it is an indirect way of firing him.

[@reese85]

@@John3.36 the caller even said his work wasn’t good!

[@John3.36]

@@reese85 I mean if he was put into a position with no preparation in which he was expected to get results, then failed at it; he was being honest.

[@TheChocoboWhisperer]

Don't admit to, or apologise for, any shortcomings in your work performance. Don't feel obligated to thank someone who's firing you. If they refuse the $20k, go speak to an employment attorney to see if you have any legal recourse. Promises made can end up legally binding.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

Nothing written down. Nothing can be done.

[@Outrageousconduct]

Roflamo if he's not doing the work he deserves to be fired

[@reese85]

Yeah you can’t prove a verbal convo cuz they could say they promised the 20k if it worked out! But he’s getting fired for a bad work performance

[@williamlocascio8946]

@@jimmymcgill6778 Better Call Saul!

[@Rizky06]

With the exception of Montana the U.S. is "Fire At Will" even if they don't like your shoes. You can thank the Corporatocracy which runs America. No Bonus 💸 Only a 🦴

[@sneakyquick]

I worked for a fortune 500 company and they hired me for a job and then tried to fire me for a mistake I made that was not part of what I was hired to do. When I met with HR I told them I had never been trained to do what I was asked to do and I was doing my best to help our project get completed. They did not fire me and I got the training I needed and ended up working there eight more years. Its important to stand up for yourself when other peoples mistakes try to come back on you.

[@PurplePinkRed]

This is a rarity but yes! Definitely say something if you think you'll be out the door if you don't otherwise!

[@Jim_Curtis]

Instead of calling the Ramsey show, call an employment law attorney. It looks the employer is firing the caller to avoid paying the bonus out.

[@stevenporter863]

Contingent fee only. Otherwise the attorney would cost more than he could recover.

[@rickieguta1037]

T! z

[@candy2325]

Unless he has something in writing or an official document that states the promised bonus then it seems like a waste of time and money to get an attorney.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

@@candy2325 Indeed. Seems many here can't understand that.

[@pattyajones]

Texas is an "Employment at Will State", meaning either party can vacate employment at any time for any reason except protected classes.

[@ashleyb1091]

If a bonus was promised I would want it something in writing or contract

[@camxdidxthat]

How do you ask for that without being offensive.

[@justme87999]

@@camxdidxthat be offensive if you have to be. Asking directly and politely for something should not be offensive to a good company.

[@CatfishBradley]

Don't play that game at all. ALWAYS insist on FAIR business. You should be able to get anything in writing, and if they take offense to that, RUN. @@camxdidxthat

[@underfiremaf8307]

Dangled a $20k carrot in front of his nose to get him to stay long enough to make it work on their end. The money was never coming, they just couldn't dissolve it all at once.

[@dougmiller1460]

Dave is out of touch, thinking a large corporation will negotiate. They have a prepared script and process, no negotiation outside external legal action. If they promised the 20k and you can prove it was offered and the conditions were satisfied, then the money is owed.

[@liamvosefski2795]

Dave has sound financial advice that is 90% common sense. However, he is from an era where people stayed at a job for 40 years and then retired with benefits/ full pension. That's not the case today. What happened here is the company knew they were going to lay him off but they needed him around a bit longer than his coworkers. To avoid him quitting when they started layoffs they pulled him aside, offered a promotion and 20k bonus if he stayed. Once they knew that his usefulness was done they put him on a PIP, and are now firing him for cause. He'll likely get no severance nor will he be entitled to unemployment benefits. You are right his termination was plotted in detail from the minute they decided to keep him.

[@BL-el8zy]

Don't mix a $20K bonus w/"severance" or you're heading down the road to ineligible for unemployment payments. This whole thing sounds screwy - if he was going to stay for $20K, he should've gotten when he agreed to stay.

[@donnasalerno9870]

@Eddie DimasYes, this is the typical way it's done. I felt bad for this caller.

[@jimcole6423]

Precisely correct.

[@jameshumphrey3425]

It was done to keep him there while they were reorganizing the company, otherwise he would’ve been looking for a new job as soon as he saw his coworkers getting laid off.

[@roxcyn]

That's what I'm thinking, too. They promised it to him in October and all of a sudden it's now in December. 🤔

[@missladygray]

Retention bonuses are typically not paid out until the completion of the retention. He would have had to agree to it in writing. If he didn't, he won't see a dime.

[@esonon5210]

He better start applying. Don't count on that bonus.

[@KC-dr3cg]

This is why he has an emergency fund

[@HarmonyHollowApiary]

Would love to see a follow-up on this call to see how the caller's week turned out.

[@RyanABC123]

There’s a 100% chance they won’t give him the 20k

[@williamforsythe9180]

You sound pretty confident there bud

[@RyanABC123]

@@williamforsythe9180 I am pal.

[@williamforsythe9180]

@@RyanABC123 the Bible says to be humble chief. Do you know more than Jesus?

[@RyanABC123]

@@williamforsythe9180 of course you’re a Bible guy.

[@williamforsythe9180]

@@RyanABC123 are you autistic, son?

[@Vots]

They were going to lay him off anyways, and wanted to wait. He said he was going to quit (so he saw the writing on the wall). And they dangled the $20k in front of him and got him to stay, that money clouded his judgement. The performance reviews are them creating the paperwork they need to fire him. Slimy tactics by the employer

[@antionneanderson9721]

Boss is trying to get out of giving him the bonus

[@stevenporter863]

If it is a large company and they benefited from having him, they will pay to get more of the same. Sounds like he was not as advertised.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

Seems he just stayed but didn't earn it. If he was good enough to keep he would have gotten that bonus.

[@albertotorres_1]

He should call back and follow up to see what transpired

[@plants4thewin]

Hes not getting that 20K. He knew they were going to can him. He should have been looking for something else and left before they could let him go. These corporations are terrible. I dont trust any of them.

[@deepthinker999]

Well Said

[@Chromewarrior]

Has your progress or lack of been documented? Have you signed any paperwork regarding this? First thing at your meeting take the initiative, ask about the bonus and when can you expect it.

[@mrquick6775]

He made a good point! The squeaky wheel gets the grease/attention! So, just know that you need to ask and don’t wait for them to bring it up, because they probably won’t! Just ask with confidence!! Good Luck’

[@joesph9748]

You never say thank you or admit to short comings when put on a performance improvement plan. Companies don’t care about employees, they care about profit.

[@chickenfixn4439]

Sounds like the company planned on going back to outsourcing but they couldnt contractually do it immediately so they fired everyone and kept one guy in the department to do all of the work with a 20k carrot over his head. After they got what they wanted for the timeframe they needed they canned him and said it was a performance issue so they didnt have to uphold their end of the deal contractually

[@candy2325]

So messed up

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

That $20k wasn't in writing. The guy was his own worse enemy.

[@chickenfixn4439]

@@blackworldtraveler3711 I missed that. You cant trust anything if its not in writing

[@workenhard]

Agreed. no way was he ever going to get the 20k they just played this poor dude like a fiddle.

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

@@workenhard Nothing in writing. The dude played himself ignoring keywords like “layoff”, “promise”, and especially “outsourcing”. He also ignored economic current events in the U.S.. At lease he was still getting a salary.

[@PhilPhil240]

I would've gotten that bonus in writing some way, shape or form. If he brings this to court, that's the first thing the judge will ask. I know you aren't entitled to a severance, but he definitely should get something for staying throughout

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

I guess you can always ask. What happens next is up to the employer.

[@michaelp9707]

Fantastic Analysis and advice.Daves experience and wisdom is really shining through on this one.For those of us who have been in similar situations giving our everything and being told to run faster without having the right training,tools or leadership we can definitely relate, except having 20k to look forward too 😭💰😏

[@chinwenduejezie8699]

They gave him the job as a placeholder because they always wanted to fire him don’t believe the lies…

[@thenewwayhome]

The caller needs to consult an attorney regarding his dilemma. You deserve to get the money that you've worked for.

[@eriklizar807]

We need a follow up to find out what happened!

[@tortureddummies1672]

This is why I’m going to start my own e-commerce business. I was laid off once and I was never absent and I was on the job everyday working as hard as I can. Boy that was scary and a wake-up call. 😂

[@jadore1339]

I’m doing the same too. Working on my e-commerce project while I hang on to my 12 hour job.

[@ilexevergreen5405]

What kind of e-commerce?

[@jadore1339]

@@ilexevergreen5405 multivendor

[@christopherallen9580]

join the masses

[@nickbrian9882]

This video popped up in my recommendations because I’m going through the exact situation (besides the 20K haha), and relate to him so much - never felt heard more!!!!!!! Love Dave!

[@genxx2724]

They should have paid the $20K in October as promised, and offered more for him to stay until December.

[@reese85]

Idk about giving him more, if he wasn’t good at his job

[@barnabusdoyle4930]

The money was never actually on the table. It was just a carrot the company used to convince their staff to train their replacements. Lucy and the football

[@angelmyers869]

Exactly.

[@missladygray]

If it wasn't in writing then il as far as the company is concerned, they never promised it.

[@CatfishBradley]

Stupid argument considering they hand picked him to stay aboard and keep things afloat until they were ready to move to a different company for his role (job=outsourced). If he sucked, why would they offer it to him? 90% likelihood is they never intended on giving him the bonus, it was just a carrot/stick to clean up loose ends before they hire the new company. Regardless of how you feel about HIS work, THEY held 10000% of the authority, and SHOULD bear the responsibility of making a poor choice, and promising you things they didn't want to pay out.@@reese85

[@bluecollarnobody4217]

You go in there with your head held high you shake the persons hand and say thank you for the opportunity I’m sorry it didn’t work out have a nice life I wish you success

[@mateosworld8280]

I made a mistake at work. In what I call my first “big boy job”. I missed something due not being detailed enough in one area. Which caused hassle for everyone. And despite doing well in every other area. They were not happy and haven't forgotten. It's my first time in 12 years of working that I've felt disappointed in myself to this extent. So now I'm preparing myself. Mistakes happen though.

[@angelmyers869]

Sounds like they used him to transition but are using performance reviews as a way to keep from paying him. That's why they didn't pay him in October as they originally said.

[@genxx2724]

Learn about quiet quitting and constantly being ready to change jobs by watching Joshua Fluke. And you have no control over the time it takes for the outsourcing company to be ready. Learn from this. Never train your replacement. Don’t be a rat on a sinking ship.

[@jtelk4708]

Here is what you really should do: have your doctor write a note you have some disability (literally anything qualifies, depression, anxiety etc). Tell your employer you have the disability. Then when they try to fire you, you can spin it legally to say you fired me because of a disability

[@jl3303]

That’ll never work

[@jtelk4708]

@@jl3303 you’d be surprised. I’ve seen many successes (at least 3 personally)

[@jl3303]

@@jtelk4708 Oh wow. Well I’ve been looking to get fired and scam my company. Thanks for the tip. I’ll let you know how it goes.

[@jtelk4708]

@@jl3303 if it’s a documented disability by a medical professional, its not a scam

[@KENTUCKYUSA1]

Beans and rice, rice and beans.... Sounds like his dog was on the phone line too and getting frustrated. That dog had some info we didn't get to hear.

[@neilthiessen5926]

Awesome call! Just what I needed to hear right now... Thank you.

[@herbiehusker1889]

Start looking for a new job.

[@BattleFights]

He has a youtube channel buddy

[@Sunmoonstars976]

@@BattleFights does he? Link please?

[@jwlsngold5026]

If he "thinks" he's getting fired why not beat them to the punch! Walk in to bosses office and just say I feel like this will be the day you plan to fire me. Instead I'm quiting as of right now, gives you the upper hand albeit not having a job doesn't make for warm and fuzzy feelings. It is not something you are able to change in an instant just collect your belongings and walk out.

[@genxx2724]

If you quit, you can’t receive unemployment insurance.

[@missladygray]

Don't quit a job without another job secured first. Otherwise let them fire you so that you can at least draw unemployment.

[@carlys1391]

I was suddenly laid off last November after coming back from having Covid. Went back on a Wednesday & that Friday morning, I was pulled into the VP’s office. There was talk starting in the summer, about moving me up to a different position because that department needed help. I had a lot of health issues that year which unfortunately needed time off for / working at home, when allowed. I think in the end, they just wanted me out and didn’t want to give me any sort of boost in pay, which was a question I had with switching roles. The morning I was let go, I immediately came home and downloaded Indeed on my phone and started applying. A couple of weeks later, I got a new job.

[@rollingacresfarmstead206]

It could be worse, I was told today the insurance rates went up 400 bucks a month and deductables doubled, with the hsa plan I expect to pay close to 23k a year

[@myownboss1]

Ask if you can resign instead, because fired, no matter what, just doesn’t look good….

[@chopshec83]

I'd be careful with that one depending on the state you could also lose out on unemployment benefits if you just resign instead of being fired.

[@jeanlaubenthal698]

Know what you need and want before you go in. Let them know you will hold them accountable. Get it in writing right then.

[@vincentzincone8012]

When management wants to get rid of you no matter what you do will save your job. In this case the guy stayed to fill a role that just didn't work. He should have got the money upfront!

[@XPkoolXD]

I bet they were lying about that 20k just to keep you working until they lay off everyone as soon as they can. I would have wanted that 20k TO stay on. Not if I stay on and they can fire me for any reason and not pay what they promised. Very sketchy and dishonest employer. Wouldn't trust them one bit.

[@nephetula]

Sage words: NEVER count on a bonus!

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

You can count on them when in writing.

[@spot_of_tea53]

But guys, they always say "We are a family here"

[@deepthinker999]

That is a big red flag about the employer you are dealing with.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

If you don't have a contract. They don't owe you anything.

[@sglacf]

Verbal is a just as good of an agreement

[@reese85]

@@sglacf how can you prove that?

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

@@sglacf You need proof of what was agreed to, otherwise it just becomes a case of "he said, she said".

[@blackworldtraveler3711]

Yup where I worked bonuses,profit sharing,awards,gifts,etc. were all agreed upon in contract every seven or so years.. Set mine up to be auto deposited in 401k each year.

[@jimmymcgill6778]

@@sglacf How? The business can always say that they didn't say that.

[@sbrazenor2]

If the option was being laid off or getting some weird promotion, I think I would have just taken the lay-off. They are already having some serious problems apparently and if they're this inconsistent, I think it's time to leave.

[@douglasthuglas7285]

Some management at branches of a big company will sometimes manipulate a situation in a way of basically setting people up to fail, so that instead of giving them a raise they will give themselves a raise and replace you with a new worker for the same wage.

[@goalie2998]

Management isn't about punishing people. They should be working with their people to build them up.

[@deepthinker999]

It would be great if we all lived on that planet.

[@Wesker1213Gaming]

I am grateful to work in a field. If I were let go tomorrow then. I would have a job by the end of the week. I hope this guy got on with a beater company

[@matthewwilliams9200]

Trust the lord, dont get offended and do the best you can.I've found that the only thing that's really going on is that its testing your faith (how you see the lord), when you acknowledge him in trust it is the best thing that could happen. It's all the hand of the lord.

[@pamelaharris2725]

I was laid off yesterday and this was my exact sentiment. I trust God. He is the source of our resources!! All things work together for good to them who love God, to them who are called according to HIS purpose. Romans 8:28.

[@matthewwilliams9200]

@@pamelaharris2725 He did it all and you seeing it beholding him in righteousness is everything. That's the secret of faith, faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen. This means your belief in him cant turn into faith unless challenged, your holding on to his word threw the challenge makes your belief faith. So God leads you by telling you, then he creates the challenge not to derail you but make the thing he told you happen but by your believing threw the challenge he's acknowledged by faith which is what He is, making you his daughter by actions and deeds. Like david when God told him he was king , God also made it so saul would be his adversary that moment and goliath and so on and so on. But because of davids holding on threw so much not wavering, not only was he king but he's the only regular king that kingdom will never end as God says he sits on David's throne forever. But from the time of a kid david didn't stop believing threw everything, from battles to not killing his adversary saul because he knew it was the lord making saul do what he was doing and in the place he was in to do it. It's what happened to dave even if he doesn't understand it fully. Hes going along then heard gods word and believed it, the moment he did that God was going to send the appearance of trouble to try that belief in him it wasn't meant to hurt him but must happen to turn that belief in to tried faith. It made him look like he lost everything, because he was to be extremely successful he looked like he was going to have nothing. Instead of saying gods word is not true he ended up diving into his belief in the crisis and in time it was showed him that gods word is true. With out the appearance of loss dave would never see what he has today, his greatest blessing is the trial. same for you and I

[@jeanlaubenthal698]

Sounds like there is something is fishy here…employers trying a fast one?

[@michaelplunkett8059]

Bring a box, clean out your supplies. Print your resumes and cover letters.

[@stanleypierre5864]

Lesson 1: take the bonus upfront. You're taking the risk so they must put something on the line. I just signed a retention bonus and I was paid the next check

[@Laughter_in_da_rain]

4:15 Sounds like he was frustrated with Dave's answer, lol.

[@allkindsamusicchick]

Everyone is firing on a whim. Companies can only retain so many employees as the economy fluctuates. In many cases, citing underperformance..... is a bunch of bunk. Never allow this type of scenario to take you down. We don't know what we don't know...and then...there is bullying...and favoritism.

[@BryanMPhx]

Call in sick immediately

[@reese85]

Ok, I’ll fire you the next day

[@lagarde2011]

Yes. And call an employment lawyer to review the work contract and provide guidance on how to manage interactions with the company.

[@heidithaw1072]

I was asked to pay back a signing bonus because I was not there the required time. They fired me and I would have stayed. I did not pay it back.

[@bigisrick]

This is why you always have to get these things in writing. The company is screwing him

[@Gmoney20988]

Had a job that they talked to me about my performance in early parts of the summer. For months I thought I was doing well. No meetings by my manager or anyone else then December came and they told me switch postions or we'll let you go. They wanted to switch my position completely. I left the company.

[@Useruytrw]

8:35 love it when Dave sticks it to them

[@hankfuchs8405]

In my opinion, when you are being terminated, never ever own up to anything because of unemployment benefits may be denied

[@deepthinker999]

If you were involuntarily terminated for performance, then UI should be paid. If you resign, then you get nothing unless you can prove discrimination.

[@mycupoverflows7811]

If he has that promise in writing, he needs to use it.

[@genxx2724]

There are probably e-mails at least.

[@evanreiter747]

Take care of Yourself! You are only a number! Focus on your dream instead of theirs

[@kevini4295]

I don't believe any promise a position promises me. Unless it is in writing and the money is in my account. This guy should speak with an attorney also.

[@yulnikita]

That does not sound like a persuasive negotiation

[@stevebrannon5772]

It sounds like they put him in a position to fail knowing they were going to eliminate his job. His first recourse when he was initially told his performance was unacceptable would be to ask for coaching help or training to meet their expectations. If they don’t want help, the writing is on the wall, you’re toast. Don’t burn your bridges, by trash mouthing the company. Try to get a letter of recommendation to put in your resume. The company won’t give a bad recommendation since that may come back to haunt them. Take notes of all conversations, if it becomes a legal matter, those with the best backup will normally prevail.

[@claybob]

Dave: the company is allowed to lie to you and you should thank them for that.

[@veeno3983]

Dave is so great with words

[@carojames6776]

And numbers.

[@lisamccall4960]

"At the minimum I would be willing to accept a prorated amount of the $20k less the X weeks to the Dec 31st date."

[@elmobolan4274]

If u have a target on ur head, no amount of talking to others or asking for help is going to change the outcome. This is corporate culture....

[@mbank3832]

Dave, why would he own it ? You should never do that, you're just justifying the unreasonable layoffs...

[@Bob-yh7ir]

Always have other options in your back pocket. I get job offers every month. I have turned them all down because I am going to retire early so no need for changing jobs right now. But over the years, it's great to know I had many options for maintaining income if I needed to. Good luck to this gentleman.

[@genxx2724]

What kind of work do you do?

[@Bob-yh7ir]

@@genxx2724 IT

[@genxx2724]

@@Bob-yh7ir People in IT seem to have a lot of options. On the other hand, it’s a function that can be outsourced to India.

[@deepthinker999]

@@genxx2724 Not anymore. IT currently leads in corporate layoffs.

[@amerlin388]

I think it was the company plan to give 2 or 3 bad reviews regardless of performance in order to terminate employment before bonus is due.

[@wartrain12]

Props to Dave

[@rodeleon2875]

sometimes some people just can't do a job. whether its because of intellectual, educational, physical or mental issues. you can only spend so much time helping someone before you just need to both cut your losses. everyone can't do every job. it reminds me of when i heard one of our well known useless elitist politicians tell laid off coal miners that they need to "learn how to code". computer programming is not something everyone can do. especially when your mind has not been used like that.

[@patti9339]

I would never say those words. I would just ask about severance.

[@reese85]

He’s not owed severance if being fired

[@patti9339]

@@reese85 I was merely using Dave’s words. And I disagree, there are people who hold certain positions within a company who are given a severance package when they’re let go. I’ve known a couple of people who have negotiated small packages too. It happens and it never hurts to ask.

[@reese85]

@@patti9339 being laid off is not the same as being fired for bad work performance

[@patti9339]

@@reese85 I didn’t say laid off. I said let go - big difference.

[@reese85]

@@patti9339 was they let go for bad work performance? If the answer is no! He’s not owed any severance. The job can offer it if they want, but there not require to

[@Chele-nm4qx]

Sounds like he couldn’t do the job they needed him to do. He was warned & then told again that he was not performing up to their expectations- so now he still wants the bonus? I hope he gets something for at least staying.

[@ridgydidge925]

Was that a pooch at 4.17 😂

[@videostoviews2262]

I thought I had one in my room 😂

[@lisapineapple]

😂😂😂

[@lovethemflowers]

Dave’s reaction to what sounded like a dog whimpering or howling.

[@DEBTFREEMIKE769]

P’ss Poor. That’s the Dave I love!

[@x25__]

The company that I worked for laid me and three other older workers off on the same day. Thirty minutes notice, no problems with my performance. If you're over fifty, you have a target on your back.

[@joshmonus]

Obviously, they are firing him to not pay the 20k. Companies have no interest in spending a single extra dime for a lost contract or outsourced department. Whenever a company makes these kinds of offers, make sure to get it in writing with the details explicitly defined prior to agreeing.

[@rileymod6541]

Layoffs are happening, $20,000 bonus puts a target on your back. They are choosing to lay you off so they will not have to pay the the 20 grand.

[@NWforager]

"promise" on paper . not verbally .

[@fordfiveohh]

She has an amazing RICH radio voice.

[@wewhoareabouttodiesaluteyo9303]

I love how Dave asks "why do you think you are being fired?" These baby steps do not work to get you out of being unemployed? LOL. Help him!

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

That's what he was trying to do. Dave cannot help him until he knows the details. Also the baby steps are for getting people out of DEBT.

[@mjribes]

The advice here is good. But as a lawyer, I'd want to see what his employment contract says and what other evidence he has for the $20k bonus and the conditions for that payment.

[@michellecalling]

I think that the company wanted to fire him from the get-go. No. 1, they overpromoted him knowing what his background and skills were. This sounds so familiar and it may be a common management practice. It doesn't make it right either.

[@matthart4465]

They were never going to give him the $20k. They needed him to finish the project before they fired him with the rest of the department.

[@gman24310]

If your boss gives you a deadline to improve your performance by, you’re almost always in trouble. At that point, it’s best to start looking elsewhere.

[@pluggedev8464]

I wish we could an update on this

[@MrGrapesforall]

The 20k is going into managements pockets 120%