Top Career Nightmare Calls On The Ramsey | Ep. 5 | The Best of The Ramsey Show

[@TheRamseyShow]

It's Sounds Like You Don't Want to Work! 0:26 I Found Out My Co-Workers Make More Money Than Me! 8:52 I'm Getting Fired Because I'm Not Willing To Get The COVID-19 Vaccine! 17:18 My Husband Got a $140,000 Bonus and Is Thinking About Leaving His Job 22:58 I Have Debt, I Drink Too Much, and I Hate My Job! 30:00

[@morganottlii2390]

Wow. That's tough. Take a step back. Take a deep breath. You may have a great life ahead of you, but you have to find out what it is. God Bless you, and maybe you will get it figured out.

[@conanmaher1]

@@morganottlii2390 who are you talking to?

[@garbanzo_bean]

No one dreams about work…capitalist and corporate kiss @sses have planted that idea while simultaneously buying second homes, yachts, and complaining on a Wednesday morning while at the golf course that everyone else is lazy and entitled

[@thomasdickey1397]

The guy who's coworkers make more than him they've probably been there longer

[@Mrs.LadeyBug]

@@conanmaher1pretty sure he’s talking to Dave Ramsey. (Haha… just kidding!) I wasn’t sure either. 😅

[@taylorluchansky3055]

First guy had me cracking up “I want to hang with my friends” 😂

[@alfredooliva5175]

ya what a fucking DOPE

[@talitaavanessian9213]

😂

[@gmarie3053]

He’s not wrong though 🤣🤣

[@beckygeer6480]

Won't his friends be at work?

[@fahey5719]

​@@beckygeer6480 they will, unless they have their heads full of smoke as him.

[@ajf5823]

My daughter found out from her coworkers that she was making a third less than new hires. The company she had worked with for 3 years actually “promoted” her to a managerial position and didn’t give her a raise and when she found out one of the workers she was supervising made more than her that was the final straw. She found a new job that almost doubled her salary. THEN her current company decided she was a valuable commodity and counter offered with a raise that still wasn’t as much as the new job. She walked out of there a very happy and satisfied person. Unfortunately in today’s world you always have to be looking for a better job because companies don’t reward loyalty anymore.

[@Immigrantlovesamerica]

The onus is on her to stand up for herself and not be a passive floormat. Stop blaming everyone else.

[@butlerdawgs78]

@@Immigrantlovesamerica I get what you're saying that we need to look out for ourselves and speak up, but most companies create an environment where you're "not allowed" to tell others what you make for fear of retribution or punishment. Even trying to perform your own market research on your salary compared to outside positions of similar title is next to impossible because titles/responsibilities are fluid from one company to the next, so you don't know if you're comparing apples to apples or apples to oranges. Most companies don't readjust long term staff to meet the market, if you're lucky you'll get a cost of living increase annually. Since the company won't reward your loyalty and years of time with a competitive wage, it forces you to leave and find something new externally. The days of my parents working for 40 years and having a pension and a healthy raises every couple years are dead and gone from what I can tell. That is absoultely the doing of companies/boards maximizing profits and placing the shareholder and the stock price above all else.

[@JenniC2]

Next time tell her to know better than to accept a promotion or extra workload or a higher position without an increase in salary.

[@drugreen123]

@@butlerdawgs78 It is against labor laws to not allow discussions of salary. Some low level managers try and spew that, but they will get spanked by HR if they find out about it. (I am HR).

[@spartan662501]

Yeah, when I got my first job out of school, I knew I wasn't being paid a lot but it didn't seem unusually low. However, a year in, I got approached by a recruiter and interviewed a couple places and ended up getting a job that nearly doubled my income. When I went back to my first job to notify them, suddenly they could afford to counter. That actually pissed me off. You knew you were under paying me and obviously I brought enough value for them to fight to keep me. The ironic thing is that I would be willing to forego some money if it meant I could work somewhere they treated me fair but very few places are like that.

[@squished300ztt]

The first guy wants to be a park ranger. He just doesn’t know it yet.

[@ThesGt]

He wants to be a park ranger earning 100k 🤣

[@jwebby85]

You’re probably right. 😂😂😂

[@highlandscommunityclub1160]

I had him pegged as an arborist. Close enough!!

[@PrOxExplosiive]

Think you mean power ranger

[@BigRedOne-xj8br]

Agreed, coming from a current park ranger, but he won't make 100k

[@ChrisHardwickanimaladventures]

The first guy... he is a computer engineer that doesn't want to sit in front of a computer all day LOL

[@rob-artfarmingnz6138]

Because that's where the money was but not where his heart really is now. Not really that funny. Always more to a story

[@dejbaby1419]

He wants to be a musician

[@wizkhalifa9401]

Who does lol

[@turtleanton6539]

Hahahahaah ikr😊

[@muddywaters538]

He likes his paycheck and benefits. The company he works for may not be into doing things for their employees that makes it more rewarding. Hopefully, he’ll stick it out for a few years and, save and enjoy his salary. Maybe he will enjoy another career someday. Life changes.

[@jennerbug27]

The guy who is considering leaving the company that just gave him a huge bonus should consider that the company is showing a huge amount of integrity by compensating him for how much they value him. The "next company" may not be the same way. I would feel very pleased with where I stand with that company.

[@vivianblack2951]

My niece's hubby does emergency planning by computer and then goes out into the forests to gather info from fire fighting and flood officials, etc. in the actual field. This is the best of both worlds.

[@melgonz.6962]

There's a reason they made it LEGAL to talk about your salary, so things like this can be out in the open. When I found out I was getting paid less then colleague at same level in the hospit, I went straight to management, and even went above them. Turns out it was a mistake. I got my pay raise. If I didn't, I would have left. You have to stand up for yourself, and also be ready to leave.

[@alezandradavila2581]

Yes

[@sszhao11]

"Mistake" you believe it? You get paid as low as you are willing to stay

[@rayhill5767]

Conversely if your the highest paid you are the most expensive so performance is under a microscope and first fired during layoffs.

[@officerahmo]

Or he's comparing what he gets after taxes with what they get before taxes. Then the mistake lies in miscommunication.

[@samanthat7553]

​@Ray Hill haha! Lab jokes! Under the microscope! I like it lol

[@Dominini]

Tyler, just say it... "I dont dream of labor."

[@kellibuzzard9431]

😂

[@avamasquerade]

Yep

[@manifestationmaven111]

Yeah, that one

[@armandoc2584]

A 140k bonus? I will sleep there I will build a gym at work, I’ll eat there, I’ll raise my kids there, I would never leave

[@yoon4063]

😂

[@sophiet2851]

😅😂😂😂

[@p.sherman3158]

Bonus or not doesn’t mean they don’t want to change their life and location

[@emilybaker2304]

Is that before or after taxes? Bc bonuses are taxed more than “regular” income

[@yukie_tn]

​@@emilybaker2304bonus is not taxed more technically. You just see more taxes deducted from it because getting that bonus pushed your income into a higher bracket. Your full year tax would be the same whether you got that money through a bonus or distributed in your paycheck.

[@ActionXander]

I totally understand where that first guy is coming from (I'm in Healthcare IT as well). He just needs to find balance and invest in his hobbies. Work-life balance is a major key to longevity especially when you're in the stage of "paying your dues".

[@bookishyogi]

Work life balance! Exactly. My first thought was, this guy needs to invest in his free time the way he invests in his work time.

[@Caliabra]

He’s just seeing his life flash before his eyes. Happens to the all of us at various points

[@bekind758]

I chose to teach special ed. and I loved it and those kids were the best. Filled my well everyday. But I worked 7 until 5 or 6 and then often after kids were in bed I worked more and then stayed up to do house work and get prepared for tomorrow. Again my choice. With four kids NONE of them went into teaching! But balance was important. Family and raising kids and taking them to every music or sport event known to man was my balance and it worked for me. And my garden! Everybody needs balance. My kids work in pretty intense fields and have learned their own ways of balancing work and after work life. It's so important.

[@Mancer1980]

Spot on. He needs to go volunteer somewhere.

[@madisonbailey2564]

@@Mancer1980 that's just unpaid work. He needs to get a place, have drinks with the boys and pickup chicks at a bar.

[@John-pr6sw]

Problem is. He has broke friends and they’re like, you always work man. Come hang out. Those friends are going to drag him down.

[@Riley_rolo]

I have many poor friends I don't unfriend them cause they are not successful.

[@Dafoodmaster]

@Riley-rolo based

[@DMS20231]

Yep. He wants to screw off and get paid for it.

[@andi.ahavah]

Dave’s advice on the second call is magnificent

[@CaptainHookhatesBooks]

"I want to be outside with friends"😂😂😂😂

[@blackspiderman1887]

The first guy basically Sees all his friends his age partying and he wants to do that too. He doesn't realize what a good position he is in. He could be retired by 40 while his friends that are partying now will still be working until they are 65.

[@ruthalkons]

Measured partying can fit into that career. Breaks are necessary and possible. Just be sure to plug back in after play.

[@fishmonger7020]

Yep just 20 of your best years is all it’ll cost you. Sounds great!

[@blackspiderman1887]

@@fishmonger7020 if you think you're "Best years" are in your 20's then you didn't live long enough. I play tennis against guys in their 60's who are still very very active. Getting older only will suck if you're a lazy overeating couch potato watching Netflix all day. Their is nothing you can do in your 20's that you can't do on your 40's. And if you think getting wasted every weekend is making the best of your 20's then your life was sad and pathetic to start with and will continue that way for the rest of your life

[@fishmonger7020]

​@@blackspiderman1887 You're delusional if you think you can do anything a 20 year old can do.

[@sdm1568]

​@@blackspiderman1887 *your

[@bradyanderson5123]

Dave’s advice for the second guy is solid. Great way to break it down and approach it intelligently.

[@jacobkernan444]

First guy has me weak. Ken asks, “What do you dream about?” Guy says, “What do I dream about uh… I’m panicking here” 😂😂😂

[@Steven-rp8zo]

What the first guy is looking for is not more money or anything career oriented. He's looking for meaning in life. God, love, marriage, family, kids. It really is that simple in this life. Money is great but without the rest of these things, it will never make you happy. Peace be with you!

[@larrybolhuis1049]

@Steven-rp8zo Spot on. This man's position so clearly parallels my father-in-law. He went to school and became a draftsman. At that time this was a good career but he 'sat at a desk all day.' He rapidly tired at that and started his own, 1 man, floor cleaning service - mostly homes, some schools, churches, and small businesses. He was one of the hardest working people I ever new, and he loved his job. Universally when I was out with him he was recognized everywhere and greeted happily. He greeted with a smile and a crushing handshake. This young man needs to find the job that brings him fulfillment, as you say, meaning in life!

[@brandonhall4631]

Nailed it.👍

[@skeletor4115]

He is having middle age crisis at 20s

[@jesssc402]

Why call Dave?

[@badxradxandy]

Thank you for this comment, you get it.

[@bh1462]

I can relate to the first guy. I don’t really have a “dream” I’m 24 working in car sales making really good money but if you asked me what I want to be doing if money wasn’t an issue I wouldn’t be able to answer.

[@martinmi5]

It's not really about what you want to be doing, but about what you don't want to have to do.

[@ltcajh]

That's sad!

[@JB-ri6zp]

@@martinmi5 Yeah exactly. You're not supposed to know what you want to do for 50 working years, how can you?. The whole point is you can do whatever you want when you want. Whether that is sleeping all day or building the Eiffel tower.

[@etme1000]

"What would make me be happy to wake up every morning and go to work (joyfully)?"

[@blackspiderman1887]

They missed the mark with the last guy. The guy was stressed out because of his kids. When you're the only one working and then you come home To a stressful situation with your kids and wife you will get burned out. The guy is basically burned out it has nothing to do with video games

[@jimmypatton4982]

As a computer programmer. What I can say, is the mountain top has really good cellular service. With my laptop battery back up and solar panels. I worked in the summer outdoors. When it was too cold to be outdoors working I worked for motels and visited outdoors after work.

[@ThaoTrangPhotography]

I really loved having Ken in Dave’s show. He brings good questions and it got me thinking about my own career.

[@nebulousJames12345]

he's not anymore?

[@jcman240]

Transitioning from college to a working schlep is tough, desk work gets easier to deal with the older you get....

[@terongarbutt7743]

You just give in eh. College is harder than desk work, it's just boring.

[@d.zyned2thrive584]

I'm starting to notice that the Ramsey personalities have a habit of thinking they understand the caller too soon. The first guy's point was that despite having a job he loves he still lives for the weekend, and Dave talks about doing work so that you enjoy your week as well. He's trying to reconcile the two.

[@rosedewittbukater5763]

it is true that they have a tendency to do that, but i don't think they did that to the first caller at all

[@henryskipper5507]

Well the only other option is to live off of the generosity of others, which is fine but that's the only option left

[@dawnyoung9898]

Ya, cause it's a KZbin show. It's not the same as talking to a counselor or a good friend.

[@omduggineni]

I think the comments do that the most to be honest. You can't call someone childish (like people here) because they aren't overjoyed with their career at the moment. There's just too many potential reasons that could be the case (not to mention it's a very common feeling)

[@bbtank3000]

Poor Kyle. He's too young and inexperienced to realize how lucky he is.

[@CarlosGonzalez-mr5qz]

Agree.

[@copeyano718]

Probably not too much time off since he’s new. And a lot of money to enjoy. His friend still living that college life style. 😂

[@dougb8207]

Layoffs are coming.

[@BusArch42]

@@dougb8207 not for EE. US born EE will always have a job. I am a systems engineer. I have done it for many years and make 180k. We are dying for EEs. When HR hires one they are snapped up in a moment. There’s a reason they make 90k right out of college. That major is hard. I’ve taken a lot of EE classes including masters level and they re not easy.

[@BusArch42]

Oh and luck has nothing to do with it. For that major he had to spend 100 hours a week studying and in classes. Probably worked summers too as an intern. I was a physics major and college sucked. Very little fun involved

[@Musicchick60]

The first guy can find a level of fulfillment outside his career, while continuing to make his great salary. There are computer engineers who own consulting firms, etc., and he might decide to go that direction in a few years, once he’s got his feet under him a little bit.

[@chrisnolin3039]

That segment on the lab tech's pay compared to co-workers was inciteful. I love the mind set and psychology or knowing what others are making after you happily accepted a salary.

[@cynthiabrandon923]

I am a clinical lab scientist. There is a big difference in training/credentialing between a med lab technician who has a history of ascp internship vs someone without that internship. I am amazed he is a biochemist in a lab and CANT understand that disparity. The scientists who think that internship is not important are the same people who roll their eyes at me when I cite quality assurance details.... ie you must be able to track the correct lot number. For my own lab tests to be done.... I prefer a community college degree person with MLT internship and the certification credential than the bachelor degree biochemist without the test. There are states that will not allow you to work without that certification.

[@ruthalkons]

Career engineer here....key is to make friendships with your coworkers, at least a couple. Your colleagues are likely intelligent, complex people, and exploring subjects out of the work flow with friends gives additional fulfillment. Also, make sure you get up and walk around almost every hour. Develop some hobbies that are active.

[@ryanhumor]

The second call is what happens when you say yes to an offer too quickly.

[@mikehurt3290]

or turn over been crazy since you been hire and they're desperate for new people thats what happening to me but atleast I have the highest Seniority I get to pick my secdule so it's not as bad I guess

[@Princesscocos]

He straight up applied for the wrong position

[@devtastic9394]

They’re giving this guy crap advice.

[@jphzzzz]

@@mikehurt3290 the employer pulled a bait and switch. Hired him for a tech at tech pay and asked him to do the work of someone making 10 more an hour.

[@ajf5823]

I can totally relate to the first call. I had a degree that was basically for “inside work” and after a year of working inside l was miserable and going crazy being inside 5 days a week/8 hours a day. I wasn’t getting paid that well either. I actually started my own mobile business that allowed me to work on my own terms, be outside and moving around and that was my life for 30 years. 8 years ago l sold the business and have worked outside as a ski lift operator and groundskeeper. I haven’t worked inside long term in decades and never will. The problem with college is that it starts too early. Young adults invest a fortune of time and money into it before they actually know themselves and what they want out of life. Nowadays college grads are so burdened down with student loan debt that they are essentially trapped by the time they figure out what they really want to do with their lives. I told both my kids to be careful in this respect and both of them really didn’t figure out what they wanted until they were 24-25.

[@andi.ahavah]

You guys are the epitome of “there’s wisdom in a multitude of counselors”, it’s great that we can all learn from these calls as well ♥️

[@reviewsgoodnbad7695]

Jobs are mostly to pay the bills. Hobbies are the real things to get passionate about. Precious few people are able to do a job that they absolutely love. 😊

[@Aaron_Beach]

Work is a must in life. We cannot party all the time and feel fulfilled. Sometimes work is a trial and sometimes it is a blast. We can't let feelings dictate our decisions, but we must work and plan our lives for the best results for our future. It's just a matter of being responsible.

[@drwayne_carter9115]

2nd guy - This is why when joining a new company it is critical to get in the door with the highest salary possible, because every promotion, bonus, and raise after that is going to be based off that initial salary. I learned this the hard way and it killed my moral when i found out coworkers that kept asking me for help were making $10k more than me a year. Omce your initial salary is set, its difficult to get it adjusted up without some kind of job role change. It most cases youll have to get another job offer somewhere else to leverage a pay raise or leave the company.

[@dave8776]

Dave is spot on about the bonus. Cash bonus is paid for work you’ve already done. Companies use equity bonuses to retain people because they vest at a later date

[@lungashandu1555]

Regarding the second guy, one thing that a former manager said to me that stuck was “you never get paid what you deserve, you get paid what you negotiate.” That shifted my perspective. Management will rarely in a room full of execs and say “You know what, Lunga has been working really hard. We should give her a raise.” You have to ask and motivate and have a clear plan of what’s next if you don’t get it.

[@libertysprings2244]

I was like that first guy, also in engineering. If his debts are paid off he can try something totally different for a year just outdoor construction or something. Then always can go back inside once he realizes outside work is usually too hot or top cold, unless he lives somewhere with awesome weather like CA.

[@kayabe856]

I can’t believe he made it through school 😂😂

[@BusArch42]

Or take a gap year and backpack through Europe

[@greggalletta8679]

I love the way Dave constantly speaks over his co-hosts.

[@darrenscott3544]

When you have a cohost like KC it's understandable

[@AmandaHugenkiss2915]

Same with love and feelings and hugs Deloney.

[@BioBalkis]

When they go off point he does

[@kay-pu7hr]

@darrenscott3544. They each have thoughts to convey to the caller and the show has a limited time BUT DAVE IS THE HOST.

[@kay-pu7hr]

The drinking affects the caller's thinking about himself.

[@tmusa2002]

The first guy is young and he hears “you should love what you do”… he just “likes it a lot,” so questions if he’s happy enough. My advice: A work from home job allows for more windows while you’re working and it eliminates commute time. I went from a basement cube and 40minutes/day commuting. More enjoyable atmosphere and more time before/after work for friends and family. Another idea if you’re not a wfh type: my nephew works for John Deere working on combine computer systems. He gets to learn how the equipment works on farms they use for testing and training and he goes to the farmers to show them how to use it and to fix problems. He ends up being outside a fair amount. Sounds really fun to me!

[@osvaldoraya1122]

As a medical lab scientist myself; the second guy is right a lot of hospitals will low ball you bad. However, he said he was a biochemist not a medical lab scientist; therefore he does not have (I assume) his license ASCP. That does play a role when arguing for a raise or asking for more.

[@davidmccarthy9341]

They got Tyler wrong. Tyler likes computer engineering. He just does not like the shackles of 9-5 in a office. He should look for a coding job that allows him flexible location and flexible hours. He can then budget his personal time to go outside and such during the day/time when his friends are free. He can might sacarafice a little future advancement but he can easily maintain $100K plus salary.

[@dawnyoung9898]

We have a friend that does this. I don't think it's a fantastic job, but he's able to live in the forest and take his kids places flexibly.

[@jill9606]

I disagree about being loyal to employers. It’s business, not a personal relationship. Work is completed and compensation is awarded. This is transactional and, in my opinion, loyalty does not apply to the workplace.

[@sammorales835]

It’s my biggest complain with Ramsey. “Have loyalty to your employer” but they will fire you at a moments notice if needed.

[@LynnS-gd8wq]

I highly agree with you. Never be loyal to an employer. Be loyal to yourself. Always be looking for the next best opportunity.

[@Obregon-]

In general I agree, but if you're still job hopping into your mid career, it will catch up with you unless you are truly elite in your field

[@BiggHoss]

@@LynnS-gd8wq I used to work for a transit company, in the height of Covid, I'm young most of our drivers are old, I accepted so much OT, all the "high-risk" routes to major hospitals, I eventually got Covid, was hospitalized and unable to work for almost a year due to breathing problems. I gave them 3 years of hard, dedicated work and they threw me aside like nothing. Never be loyal to an employer.

[@kayladawson6871]

Dave’s advice to the lab tech is exactly what I would recommend, as a manager, and it applies to a lot of other scenarios at work too. If there are more interesting projects that you would like to work on, different work conditions like a different schedule or occasional telework - talk to your supervisor, let them know that you appreciate the work that you are doing, tell them about what you would be interested (different schedule, new types of projects, etc), and ask if there if your boss thinks there is an opportunity there for you and if there are things you could be doing to help make that possible

[@ginaem2008]

What Tyler is saying is that he wants to not work full time, have fun time, family time but not be stuck 9-5, 5 days a week. Sounds good to me but better start saving big time so you can do that. Savings=options.

[@danielle228512]

Bingo!!

[@marias5088]

or move to another country with better work-life balance

[@omduggineni]

Or: - move to another country with better work-life balance - get a different job/career with better work-life balance - make the most of evenings and weekends

[@Z_Co95]

At my current company, when I got my big promotion I only got a $12k raise.. I went from $61k to $73k. I was immediately disappointed as I was under the impression the job paid between 100-120k. My boss assured me that I’d get there but HR can only approve so much. It took a year and a half through to “equity bumps” to get me to where I’m at today, which is $104k. If I was to be a new hire, I’d walk in probably making $120k. Worse part is, given my experience within the company as I’ve had a handful of promotions, I’m the guy they use to train new people and to get involved with high level discussions. I’m happy where I’m at now but corporate just doesn’t make sense. Paying a guy you don’t even know a lot more from the start vs a guy who’s worked his butt off to get the promotion.

[@avamasquerade]

They respect the guy they don't know as he clearly has some business savvy and self respect, whereas you're just the guy who they don't respect because they can railroad you so easily. Bet you won't even look for another job paying even the entry level of $120k, you'll just sit there nursing a persecution complex while begging your corporate daddy to notice you from time to time.

[@yvonneschlame8657]

Who'd have thought that there were people out there capable of giving such good financial advice incorporating spirituality and psychology at such deep levels? I had no idea, but I'm very grateful you guys are doing what you're doing. Thank you from Germany 🙌👍🙏

[@oldskoolnyall]

I thought this was a financial advice channel. I am learning and growing both financially and personally. Realizing and learning that they both are intertwined. Wow!!!! Thank you Dave and the co-host is awesome with his approach in giving his advice.

[@broderick4ca725]

Impressed with Dave's observation that he was more inquisitive than anything else.. (for the guy that's underpaid vs his peers)

[@morganottlii2390]

I never liked being inside. Hated being in a desk. Didn't go to college even though I could have paid cash for it. I don't make $15/hr, but am debt free at 53, sitting on a few $100k of land, and never say that I can't work extra hours. Oh yeah, I am not just happy, I am CONTENT. I have my faith and my family, and I don't worry about that new Corvette. But dang, they are pretty! God Bless you Dave!

[@ryanreynebeau1079]

You guys misinterpreted Tyler’s question badly! He wanted to know how to escape the mindset of “awe so you have a case of the mondays!?” Even when he enjoys his job and also enjoys his weekends.

[@SportyRider]

I agree. I think he just needs a hobby! 😂

[@Ernoburger]

I have found that even doing my absolute dream job (self-employed), there are PLENTY of times where I get a case of the Mondays, don't feel like it, feel blasé, etc. I call it "the resistance of the first five minutes". That resistance is there wether it's a job I love or hate. The difference with a job I love is, once I do overcome the daily lack of momentum, the work itself feels great. In a job I don't like, the work itself is not my thing, even after overcoming that morning resistance.

[@new2utube541]

Often the problem with young people is that they want to do their Manager's job and still haven't understood that in order to obtain what it takes, they have to grind the boring part.

[@ChristoherWGray]

I thought the whole mantra was..."learn to code" Perhaps Tyler needs to "learn to weld"?

[@terongarbutt7743]

​@ChristoherWGray Tyler is too smart to be a welder. Maybe underwater welding could be up his alley, though.

[@pescecanella4742]

The first guy I think has a problem with sitting in an office and a rigid 9 to 5. He could be working from home office and be a digital nomad, he could find a job which is more flexible on working hours, he could be self-employed, he could be a manager and not sit looking at computers that much etc.

[@thehospitalguy1657]

Love the fact that I love my job. After 25 years of working at the same Hospital and Healthcare organization I am now in a position to spend a lot of time in my office. Instead of getting the work done, I manage others that get the work done. My biggest problem is when I have to tell people that I have a lot of work going on, at my desk, when they are out there getting the hard work done. Other than that, I can see myself here for another 20 years. Not that I will have to do that. Both my wife and I have funded our retirement accounts from day one. Our house will be paid off in less than 12 years.

[@geekarobertson]

To the medical lab scientist. If they have been there longer than you, you may never catch up to them on the pay scale. Especially if you get cost of living raises.

[@Princesscocos]

He signed up for the lower paying position on accident

[@doctorposting]

that’s when you start looking for another job and threaten to leave

[@elizabethmaspoch-os1uq]

They weren’t listening to the first guy. He wasn’t asking about working outside he was asking about adding some meaning to the grind. Grind doesn’t feel like grind when it means something to you.

[@MaxSabbath666]

"i want you to hear nothing but gratitude".. i like this and ill be using it, i misspeak sometimes and ill be pairing my dumb speech with this phrase

[@Jrobi65230]

Its funny, at 24 you dont want to sit at a desk but at 50 you want to sit at a desk

[@doctorposting]

what’s your point? just cause most people are too scared to try anything else, doesn’t make him wrong lmao

[@marcusagrippa8078]

@@doctorpostinghe’s saying your body is broke down to where all you want to do is sit down… computer or not.

[@johannees622]

Hahahahaha 😂😂😂😂

[@debbielockhart7762]

​@marcusagrippa8078 Not true really. I'm 54 and nowhere near to being "desk bound" due to my body.

[@TheApatheticGuy]

Spoken like a true ambassador on the second one. Legitimately good advice. It's all about how you frame that conversation about your pay, and if they aren't willing to play ball after that you evaluate your options.

[@shaeikeogu806]

I was like the first guy, so I did management then it was too much social enter action! I also worked with kids and it was way to stressful! Now I’m an accountant and I love how boring it is!! Lol sometimes it takes exploring to realize how good you have it!

[@tannerwray4581]

The Med lab science guy has a biochemistry background which means he is not a certified or registered medical lab scientist. So this is absolutely a lack of certification issue. This is pretty standard for hospitals to pay unregistered MLS less.

[@lynnettep9517]

When my son was 16, he worked part time for his grandfather (construction). He begrudgingly would get up most mornings. One morning, Grandpa came earlier than usual and woke son up before son’s alarm. The only words I heard were Grandpa saying, “of course you don’t want to get up earlier, that’s why it’s called WORK! If it was fun they would spell it F-U-N!!” (p.s. son is now officer in Army and he used Grandpa’s words with his students when he was teaching technical training).

[@skeletor4115]

The army is a great place for people that like to follow orders without any discussion at all. It is not for everyone

[@irtttt]

Army is a great place for that kind of toxic shit to thrive 😂

[@ann5028]

Good man 🤙🏼

[@Jose-ht2lw]

More compilation calls please. 😄

[@valkelly3054]

Regarding the second guy, They should have addressed that he is not doing the job he was hired to do and that (in a respectful way) should also be brought up to the employer. His coworkers are probably getting paid for the work their actually doing and his job was a bait and switch.

[@stevenporter863]

The guy next to Dave said to not compare yourself to others - I tend to agree but not in an office environment where evaluations are comparing and contrasting you to coworkers doing the same job.

[@damemethief]

@@stevenporter863 some people don't understand that performance calibrations are commonplace. In those scenarios, you're ALWAYS evaluated based on other people's performances within your organization.

[@goldengirl5887]

Everyone doesn't want to work for themselves. Some people enjoy being on payroll

[@公主_maya]

Serious question: why would you major I'm computer science if you don't want to work at a desk all day? 🤔

[@MM-MLT]

Because they are taught to follow the money but not truly something they like

[@hannahhelton3789]

Yup

[@AnonymousQwerty]

It’s a valuable degree. I studied what I enjoyed and now I have a useless degree and wasted $60k.

[@kenya1067]

@@AnonymousQwerty what did you study?

[@AnonymousQwerty]

@@kenya1067 communication and business administration.

[@bobslate7231]

First guy doesn't want to work. When you own your own business you have more responsibility more risk more hours more headache.

[@garyhost1830]

More reward

[@heathergray9195]

He likes work. He hates being deskbound. Two different things.

[@nancyblockcolsky1387]

I started college as a math and computer science major. One of my CS teachers told us that if we continued in the field, we would have to relearn everything we know every five years.

[@froreyfire]

Relearn everything you know? Course not. You know it already. But you keep learning new things constantly, which isn't bad.

[@joewakeman1250]

Correct that’s what makes it stimulating

[@miclam00]

Not true anymore. The rate of technological advancement in computers has slowed considerably.

[@danielpalacios5875]

Wow what a great episode, this is helping me and I’m thinking about stuff I haven’t thought about before. Between Dave Ramsey and David goggins I’m becoming the best version of myself. Thank you

[@TheRealSlimShady509]

Chad

[@honeybsweet4229]

Goggins changed my life & I was never interested or concerned about finances until I found this show & now I'm interested. So go us, hope 2024 is a good year for big changes 🙌🏽

[@geryddle]

Great advice to the underpaid guy! Wait for the supervisor, or go into her shift and ask her to talk. Ask how to reach the goals 32.

[@Some_kind_of_wonderfü]

I REALLY appreciate Dave’s advice to the 2nd caller!

[@manifestationmaven111]

My cousin got a top degree in accounting and realised he couldn't deal with a desk job after landing a job being head hunted. He retrained as a firefighter, he realised he wanted to do a physical job ❤

[@Jacob-wr7ch]

Man I’m 24, never went to school, and “I’ve been everywhere man”. First I was a cashier at a restaurant, then I joined the army, then I worked construction, and now I’m a trucker. For the life of me, I can’t figure out what I wanna do with my life. All I know is I wanna make money… I have an old Honda motorcycle that I bought in cash for 1k and fixed it up. Last summer I went into a motorcycle shop broke af. I went in to look at gear to wear for riding so when I got paid next I could go back knowing what I wanted. One of the employees came over asking me if I needed help finding anything and I outright told him that I was broke and just looking. He asked me what I did for work and I told him I worked construction and don’t make much and then I proceeded to tell him I’m still trying to figure out what I wanna do as a career but I just don’t know. He said he was 30 and he still didn’t know exactly. He asked one of the shop mechanics that question and he also didn’t know. At my current age my family is starting to pressure me to figure it out and rightly so. But at this point I don’t think it’s worth stressing over too much. People change and their interests change. I think a lot of people get stuck in jobs they don’t like in an effort to get by.

[@tubenachos]

Some callers don't know when to shut up. Let Dave speak!

[@mshiferaw]

Dave needs to let others speak

[@brenolad]

Our Tyler went to Nevada and took acid tabs at Burning Man, he's living in a camper van out in the wild and he never touched a computer since...

[@josereyes1148]

I was basically in Caller 2's place with the pay discrepancy. I talked to them about it just like Dave said and got a "Oh well, he should have negotiated better". Im currently looking for a new job but cant find any that pay more than what I currently make.

[@pHixiq]

Yeah that truly sucks. Hope things got better for you

[@kimferzoco6755]

Keep looking. Something will work out eventually. Also, the negotiations don’t need to stop after the initial hire. I have requested equity adjustments multiple times. Once I received a 20% increase after bitching for a year and laying out my credentials and job activities.

[@josereyes1148]

@@kimferzoco6755 I actually had the same thing happen. I got my numbers up to a top performer and then told them I was leaving. They gave me like a 25% raise to stay.

[@josephomole6404]

😂I am Tyler, and Tyler is me 😂😂😂. I understand Tyler so much 😂😂😂😂. Tyler doesn't have a career problem. He just doesnt know the meaning of life😂. He doesn't have anything he thinks is worth committing his life to.

[@plannerbrittany]

Me feeling bad for Kyle knowing he’s categorized under nightmare call 😂 I hope he’s going doing good!! 💗

[@ONSTAGEMUSICPODCAST]

Because Kyle is the son of DRACCULLLAAA! BWAHAHA!! 😅

[@NealD]

Yea, doesn’t sound like he knows squat about coding. If he can’t stop drinking, there’s no way he can focus on “getting qualified” because that’s a few years of work and VERY overwhelming!

[@InspirationLed]

I live up here in Chinada and was working a temp contract (for 2 years) for the provincial gov. They fired me for not getting jabbed , but the Federal gov ALSO took it upon themselves to bar anyone who refused the jab and lost their job from getting Employment Insurance WHICH WE PAID INTO. All SO Illegal!! I had to use some of my daughter’s RESP and help from family to make it through (I’m a single parent), luckily I was able to put back what I took out so her future is not also damaged by these unconstitutional mandates. I got a job making half of what I had been, although I loved it because I was working with plants ❤🌱🪴as at the time most jobs were requiring the jabs as they were just following along with what the gov was doing…I’m so grateful for everyone who listened to their heart❤ and didn’t do something they didn’t feel comfortable with. Some ppl were okay with it, but there were many that were not comfortable and took it because of all the manipulation they faced.

[@ianeagle40nil]

ignorance is sad and damaging.😢☮️

[@jordanfendinger2029]

The second caller Brent is missing a key piece. He mentioned that he is a technician and they are technologists. The difference is that technicians have an associates degree and cannot work in certain areas in the lab as effectively. A technologist has a bachelor's degree hence why they are making 50% more. Also technologists can be lab supervisors while technicians can be phlebotomy supervisors. But yes we are biochemists because you have to know what's going on with your blood.

[@melissasponagle8118]

Right? Plus as a biochemist though similar they likely can't have the MLS certification until they've had a certain amount of experience and thus might actually be a different position though they technically do the same things.

[@Cosmicvzn]

On the guy who pointed out dif pay im a lab tech and i make 33$ while other coworkers make $25 so it’s definitely a thing that happens, that pay was offered to me i didnt ask for it, but they did say its because i have more background experience so what that guy may be blind of is that his fellow coworkers prob had more experience or had worked there more and just experienced annual pay increase

[@sarikagoode1505]

Everyone’s salaries at any company should be open information.

[@childofgod884]

Absolutely!!! Couldn't possibly agree with you more.

[@Aaron_Beach]

Yes. Needs to happen

[@Th3An0malyy]

nope, it depends on the industry. in mine it would actually hurt my opportunities.

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

Absolutely not. My salary is the same as my birthday, my favourite colour and my favourite food. They are all none of anybody else's business and nobody has the right to know any of them.

[@yourgooglemeister6745]

Stupid collectivist mentality of a woman

[@holmesbunch1]

Ken is amazing! Him and Dave make a great team and hit all the angles. ❤

[@Sunrise-fr9jb]

Ken seems a little full of himself tho sometimes like with the first guy lol

[@talyahr3302]

The first guy, I totally relate. He should try to find a good paying job that lets him work remotely on his laptop, instead of at a same location at their desk. Then you can take your laptop wherever you want!! Do your job while youre outside sometimes!

[@CaraN-b8r]

The first guy wants a remote job with freedom

[@MsAndrearod]

Man dave gave great advice on how to talk to his supervisor

[@josephgordon4281]

The last guy is very respectable. I also have really wanted to make a game just haven’t set aside time for it. Hoping to get one made by this year.

[@greggalletta8679]

If the people who are making $32 have been there and worked their way up, they will resent this new guy asking to catch up immediately.

[@Force5_Eye_Dev]

A co worker would resent someone getting paid more? That’s crazy to me.

[@PS2Damon]

@@Force5_Eye_Dev true, I make it a priority that someone starting after me that I have to train from the bottom up to get paid more than I do

[@sammorales835]

They said their wasn’t a big difference in time served though didn’t he? I have no problem if they have more experience. But it sounds like from the call they gave him a bait and switch between his titles, and pay scale.

[@Telhasteeze]

New hires usually make more than the ones who have been there

[@ManfreeFreeman]

I really like his answer to the second question. I work with guys that I feel like are underpaid and when they want a raise I tell them something similar. The difference is these guys have worked here for a few years but I always tell them to put the ball in their court by asking "what do I need to do to get to $X" then when they get an answer they know what needs to happen

[@annanelsen8006]

You can’t love what you do and not want to do it at the same time. The first guy does not love what he does.

[@omduggineni]

You can love computer programming while not liking other details of the job (schedule, hours, work, etc.). I know people who retired from computer programming/tech at a job they didn't like and went on to... program computers in their spare time while donating the work as open source software lol

[@omduggineni]

A lot of the work at a job involving computer programming doesn't actually involve computer programming but is rather more about fighting people, sitting through meetings, discussing details of a project, fixing other people's code where they didn't know what they were doing, stuff that don't necessarily have to do with computer programming itself.

[@omduggineni]

Some companies also have a "tack on extra work at the last minute" or "stay after work even though we're not paying overtime" or "cancel the project we just spent thousands of hours of employee time on because the CEO feels like it" type attitude, and burnout is relatively common in the software dev industry.

[@omduggineni]

The last three comments are a very long way of saying please don't be so presumptuous

[@meycoe]

Be a mail carrier...or a trash collector....or a greens keeper....horse groomer...oh, wait, pay cut!

[@COINsimp2024]

I prefer to be outdoors as well. I know exactly what he means but outdoor jobs don't pay that well.

[@alexs858]

Not that hard to hike or soemthing after work😂. I’m doing whatever is paying the most and what isn’t going to harm my body daily

[@janehuang1618]

I love cooking, but when it turns out to be a duty or job, the first place you don't want to walk in is the kitchen.

[@Aubatron]

Kind of reminds me of my boss at work. My previous supervisor told me his salary because he wanted me to take the job. I was not interested, but my co-worker took the job. He was very happy about it. I saw the job posting and they reduced the salary by 10 grand a year. I never told him because it would destroy him. He's not making much more than me, not worth the headache of the position for sure.

[@justinecorrington4106]

Story 2: i would absolutely compare salary; if we are still working similar jobs, with similar education and experience; I’d have questions. I actually have something similar at work; there was a big pay raises across the board. But many privately negotiated their wages, and got a boast. And i didn’t know that was an option until coworkers told me they absolutely raised cane, because they heard others got higher raises. But it could simply be negotiations. He was content with his wages and content to wait for raises during evaluations and just found out, others were more ambitious or at least bolder

[@danielle228512]

The first guy I commend for looking to what he wants to do but I think he's being far too impatient. I don't think he's old enough to realize that opportunities to grow happen and life can change like the wind. I think what he needs to do is keep riding it out and over time he will come up with exactly what to do and how he's going to do it. I mean I wouldn't be complaining myself if I was banking 90K at 24 years old lol. Honestly not sure how his call qualifies as a "nightmare" call 😂😂

[@garrenshot]

His indecision is the problem

[@katconnor6422]

For the guy making $10/hr less than his coworkers, people who job hop ever 2-3 years make much more over a lifetime. He needs to upgrade his resume and start interviewing on his days off and lunch breaks.

[@diggernash1]

Tyler is me 30 years ago. The goal is to reach a point that he isn't working and doesn't need to. Many engineers(maybe I am jumpingbtoo far for him) don't feel any fulfillment from helping others. We enjoy solving the problem, but don't care about what happens after it is solved. And we hate interacting with people in general. So a job, any job, is a path to get to less interaction with others, it is a hated step toward that goal.

[@trzmdpath]

The hospital laboratory worker sounds like a non-medical technologist (MT) biochemistry graduate. Medical laboratories play the game of paying these people less than certified MT or MLT.

[@ann5028]

Dude. Start saving and just dream of what you want. You have zero ties and so much freedom. World is your oyster. This guy literally couldn’t be in a better position

[@quinnparker749]

I was in the situation of the 2nd caller. Where I was training someone with less experience than me and they were making more than me and I went straight to HR and told them I would quit and they raised my pay immediately and even back paid me for a few weeks.

[@mocheen4837]

I know people at work make more than I do. I am also the person they give the most complex projects to solve. The pay discrepancy is because I work in the Bay Area and my counterparts in New York earn more. I am content with my pay and have not complained. My counterparts earn about $40,000 more than I male per year.

[@quinnparker749]

@@mocheen4837 I'm sorry but if you at a remote location then your pay shouldn't be that much different. Also the Bay and New York isn't $40,000.

[@sherylshiz9419]

I’m in the exact same career as this called. It would be important to know if he’s got the certification for MLS.

[@jaywooten8946]

Things would be so different if coworkers were open to each other about their pay.

[@DaishaView]

First guy should get a remote job in a different time zone so he can log off earlier and hang with his friends lol