My Boyfriend Doesn't Think I'm Worth Marrying

[@seosam652]

Girl, you gotta have the marriage discussion before you have his kids. You went and had two kids with him. Many people do things backwards nowadays.

[@TheSilvertrigger]

yup get the commitment up front before you start having a bunch of kids.

[@joeriveracomedy]

This⏫️

[@MVera1044]

Agreed

[@kcc3985]

And let’s say the first child was unplanned, why have a second before you get the commitment? People think having kids are a sure way to get to marriage and it’s not. So sad. No one wants to buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.

[@amydoran9987]

Yes

[@kyleighthurman5826]

Girl, she knows exactly what she would tell her daughter…she just doesn’t want to admit it to herself.

[@sonjamiller8266]

Exactly what I said. she just doesn't want to say it to herself. But that is always my 'Go-to'. What would I tell my daughter.

[@LindseyWestbrook333]

Exactly what I thought as well.

[@klmegm197682]

He has no plans to get married. She knows the answer. Get a job first, then walk away. Leave his butt.

[@popwilly3080]

💯

[@tinaf600]

Facts

[@georgewagner7787]

First comes love, Then comes marriage. Then comes the baby in the baby carriage. We sang this as kids.

[@AnonymousU0]

That makes too much sense man! So many people want a complicated, sophisticated, or modern approach. Marriage is just a piece of a paper right? Oh the web we weave. I hope this girl makes the right decisions, whatever that is. God bless her and give her wisdom!

[@mgtowcowboy8159]

Then came FEMINISM, and now women destroy all their marriages.

[@howlbeast]

Lust got the better of them

[@ro7601]

In America they do backwards.

[@MichaelJones-rn2pq]

@@AnonymousU0 "Marriage is just a piece of paper." is what my nephew always told everybody. I asked him how a grown @ss man could be so scared of "...just a piece of paper."

[@karebear326]

Boyfriend has the best of both worlds, he lives a married life without the legal obligations on paper.

[@hkiss95]

That just means you can’t pick the right partner. I don’t want it any other way she’s my partner

[@garret8787]

She doesn’t have to have a job because he is supporting her and the kids. She gets to spend all of her time as a mother. The only difference the piece of paper gets her is the right to take half of this provision if she leaves him

[@hectorg.7282]

What if he suspects she already wants to leave him and only wants the marriage to get half his stuff and not have to work as she has been doing. If women did not get to take half, do you really think 80% of divorces would be started by them as it is now?

[@thickmint5875]

@@hectorg.7282 Too bad. They have kids to take care of now; the right thing to do is get married. If he's not willing to man up and do that, she has every right to go find a real husband.

[@Batman8877]

​@@thickmint5875 Why do you need to be married to take care of kids?

[@swannyriver75]

Never let a man tell you twice that he doesn't want you...Judge Lynn Toler. PERIOD

[@frankcb11]

She is amazing

[@mohamedsaid9416]

What if he wants to marry you religiously but not legally?

[@frankcb11]

@@mohamedsaid9416 in the states that might be the same.

[@cutenobi]

Facts.

[@kayciable]

@@mohamedsaid9416 don't marry him, because why would you not want the person you love to be legally protected in the worst possible case scenario? Very odd.

[@gothie09]

Don’t be a wife to someone who isn’t willing to make you a wife

[@prod.saiyan4863]

For all we know she doesn’t act like a wife… Didn’t hear the Man’s side

[@mschaieme]

@@prod.saiyan4863 you did hear she doesn't work right ? So she is having me taking care of your kids, cleaning the house etc

[@shelbysycamore637]

​@@prod.saiyan4863 why would you make a woman who doesn't act like a wife the mother of your children through 🥴

[@TheOneTrueNoName]

​@@shelbysycamore637why would you have kids by someone you aren't married too. Why the hell do we do these things

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@mschaiemefor all we know that was her choice. She might just be the poor decision maker tbh 🤷‍♂️

[@Kiyonce.Kartier]

Girlllllll my ex was trying to pressure me into having several children with him without being marrying or even finding us an apartment to live in. No ring for me, no children for him, no relationship for either of us.

[@sarahphillips295]

Unfortunately not all women are smart like you. Too many like this caller will give a man all the benefits of a wife and then wonder why he won’t marry her later. After he already has all the benefits of a wife and absolutely nothing to gain.

[@goodfay]

😂

[@MsSimpleMovies]

SMART GIRL

[@texan903]

​@@Shaolin91zexactly. Might as well have stayed and had the kids.

[@KlearChristal]

You have your head on straight

[@frugalprepper]

I met my wife and one week later I asked her to marry me and 2 months latter we got married. We have been together for 18 years. We love each other more than ever.

[@NiceLoki]

My husband and I knew after a week that we were going to marry. We've just had our 27 year anniversary.

[@gdavis2020]

When you know, you know.

[@ashley-js5rk]

Was in a long engagement, we finally married and he passed away a yr later. We did have children together. If we had not been married I wouldn’t have been able to have a say on many things that are involved, nor entitled to what we built together. The order of a relationship is so important!

[@mysticaltyger2009]

Younger people simple do not understand what you've said, unfortunately.

[@crissycattuzzo1460]

This is where I am! Boyfriend retired 2 years ago, house is in his name and my income goes in his account as he handles all the finances which I’m great with but he had a heart attack shortly after retirement and I realized if he dies, I’m homeless, no way i could have even gotten my money out of the bank, no benefits for me so I’m SCREWED! I literally nursed him back to health and cried to him in sheer panic and we’re no closer to marriage today than 7 years ago or 2 years ago! I know I’m the idiot here but how do you walk away from someone you love! The kicker is I recently lost my $60K a yr job so unexpectedly and can’t find anything in my field and I see a huge shift not only from financial stress but I don’t feel he even loves me 10% enough to even consider marriage!! I’m 50 years old now and yet again scared I’m going to be homeless and alone!!!!! I’m stupid but pretty in tune about what is going on! Ready to GIVE UP!

[@FadiGamingRP]

I get it

[@hobolove2468]

Prayers🙏🏼❤️‍🔥🙏🏼

[@peacebeyondpassion2]

Well said.

[@melissapowell2848]

She knows what she would tell her daughter, but she doesn't want to say it out loud yet.

[@Margatatials]

You can tell by her pause and her later comments. She was already living like a house wife, so giving up that would be a big loss.

[@RoquitaJohnson]

Facts

[@mgtowcowboy8159]

Never marry a woman. It's called FEMINISM. Women got what they wanted, now stop complaining.

[@aprilgonzalez7893]

Exactly. If a situation like this isn’t good enough for her daughter it then it shouldn’t be good enough for her either.

[@goddessblack8787]

Exactly she knew what to say

[@RNGesusHMacy]

Marry before you carry

[@mgtowcowboy8159]

Never marry a woman! You ladies wanted your feminism, now you got it.

[@brent4073]

Lol that doesnt help all the guys who married and didnt get kids and still got a divorce..

[@KVG822]

Or women who got married and the husband left her.

[@mgtowcowboy8159]

@@KVG822 statistically, women initiate divorce 80-90% of the time. (So it's mostly women leaving men)

[@brent4073]

@@KVG822 But usually those guys get absolutely destroyed in divorce court and the next woman should care/find out why he left but they dont care

[@homesteadrevivals]

She won't even be able to collect social security on his work record. She's lost years in her employment record, years of equity building, years when she could have been in a relationship with someone who would treat her well.

[@zeroplague]

He dodged a bullet not marrying her. She's thinking solely about finances.

[@n.w.414]

But she can still make a new life, a good life.

[@brendondowdy5651]

You mean fund her lifestyle? That's not the same as treating someone well

[@New-bw4kz]

She could still work and raise kids. Many women do that.

[@bullydakidd2023]

There are 32 forms of BC she could have used to or even having kiddies. So she and other Skirts who have them before marriage, did it intentionally. Unfortunately a lot of them point the finger at everyone else and not themselves for choosing to have kiddies out of wedlock. And all of a sudden they wonder why they're not getting a full commitment from a person who never tied the knot with them When you choose to have kiddies without the commitment of marriage, you made your own bed, and now you must sleep in it.

[@carlaritchie331]

She'd better start planning how to support herself and kids. Once he finds the woman he WANTS TO MARRY, he will be out the door in a flash.

[@truebengalsfan]

Stop promoting single mom hood

[@carlaritchie331]

@@truebengalsfanI agree! I do not promote women having children outside of a stable, healthy marriage but she has already gotten herself into that situation so, like many others, now needs to deal with the reality.

[@truebengalsfan]

@@carlaritchie331 stay at home mom sounds pretty stable

[@kaycon4823]

@@truebengalsfan not sure how you figure a stay-at-home mom is stable, especially if she is depending on the man and not having her own money. This woman is not in a stable situation. He can leave at any time and as she stated she doesn't have the money to support herself

[@truebengalsfan]

@@kaycon4823 to be a stay at home mom you have to be in a stable situation unless your living off of child support or Uncle Sam

[@michellelandvik4009]

If a man won't marry you, but wants to stay with you, then he's waiting until someone "better" comes along (words from my husband of 22 years). I'm sorry, sister. Someone will love you It's time to move on.

[@newlife45692]

Big facts right here. I was that guy till Jesus changed my life around. Praise God

[@skiinggator]

Not true. I've met many men that are in the never again crowd because they've been scarred before by a divorce.

[@skiinggator]

@@glitter4592 - I agree that they should be upfront about it

[@boston312]

or maybe he just doesnt want the government in his finances. Men lose a lot in divorce (child support, alimony, his assets and pension). If he doesnt marry he only has to pay child support if they break up

[@Nolimitation1]

@@glitter4592 I agree he should make it known up front. But make no mistake every women wants the ability to cheat/walk out and get paid for it. Even if they never actually do it. Men are not getting married anymore. Actually a lot of wealthy people are not getting married like Taylor swift and leonardo dicaprio. Britney spears on the other hand is getting divorced AGAIN and is probably going to lose a lot. Some people never learn. And if johnny depp gets married again he's and idiot. The truth is the only way to be safe in marriage is to only marry someone that has the same amount of wealth as you. Only marry in the same class. And even then men will still loose because assets are often split 60%-80% in the women's favor. The best thing to do is to just not get married unless they make more money than you but women already follow this rule for the most part. Marriage is 100% about money and nothing else. Marriage is dead.

[@mysticaltyger2009]

This is one reason why having kids outside of marriage is such a disaster.

[@SamuelDiaz21]

But society shouts “Shut up! We can do whatever we want and flee from the consequences of our actions as if they never happened! “ and all the sheep nod their head in agreement.

[@Kivlor]

It won't improve until we end no-fault divorce I'm afraid.

[@_Sloppyham]

@@Kivlorfuck that, you ain’t ending nothin. If a person doesn’t want to stay in a relationship then that’s it. It’s not like it gets them out of the responsibility of taking care of a potential child/paying child support. And that would even solve y’all’s “issue”. No fault divorce deals with issues while IN a marriage, OP is talking about a situation OUTSIDE of marriage.

[@MukadisAymen-ui8fy]

This is why religion of Islam is strictly forbid and against this boyfriend girlfriend thing because the woman lose in case of separation it's just sad in the Western country's when you talk about getting married before doing it people look at you like you lost your mind or u are from the moon...

[@StuJones-gn7te]

But it prevents alimony anymore. After a split, she could get child support, but likely nothing else.

[@bunny_0288]

If your goal is marriage, only date people who truly want to get married. It isn't hard. You have to have these conversations early. In my opinion before you even go on a date.

[@thickmint5875]

Your advice is absolutely right, but it IS hard. It is HARD to find a man with family values. Most men don't have these values. Hey, to their credit, some of them are honest about it. But some of them are not. They claim to be "traditional" because they cannot be honest with themselves. They come up with reasons not to get married, but they won't stop expecting sex - which makes children - in exchange for some bare minimum counterfeit version of "love" that they're willing to give. Often, they'll even try convincing you to cohabitate with them as a "test run". *It is all a ploy to waste your time for his benefit.* When a man really loves a woman, he'll marry her ASAP. Because he doesn't want to lose her to somebody else. In the meantime, the deadbeats are fine with using women to meet their need for physical affection. Unfortunately, it's up to us to wise up to their game. Because they will not admit it themselves.

[@bunny_0288]

@@thickmint5875 This is why I don't believe in s*x outside of marriage. If a guy is only interested in your body, telling him you won't do that without the commitment of marriage will weed out those guys. My husband married me 8 months after I met him. Because he was seriously looking for a wife. And we waited until our wedding night. When you set that as your standard, the guys who only want that won't bother with you. And it also allows you to really get to know a man without s*x clouding your judgment. Is he kind and loving and generous. Is he thoughtful? You can really analyze his character. Is he a good communicator? Does he want to work things out? Is he patient? Is he actively working on any faults he has? What kind of friends does he have, etc.

[@ack153]

​@@thickmint5875actually, it really isn't that hard. People make it hard because they refuse to have that communication up front.

[@danilaroche1156]

I found alot of men will use you if you allow it. My 2 exes wanted sex without marriage and I said no. I'm confident God will bring a man of faith & integrity. This lady has a soul tie and is afraid to be alone. I understand but remaining in this situation is sin & she won't have peace. The devil will mess with her.

[@Shelby-jv7ij]

@@thickmint5875Truth

[@sweettoothmomma2621]

I like the question Dave asks " in 20 years your daughter is 24 asking the same thing, what do you tell her". That's perfect, she would advise her daughter to leave and find someone who loves her. So sad 😢

[@micclay]

Who's gonna want a broke single mom? One of the kids is an infant.

[@sweettoothmomma2621]

@@micclay there are lots of Good men out there that would love a women with qualities they are looking for. She isn't done and destitute just because a few bad decisions.

[@micclay]

@@sweettoothmomma2621 only bottom of the barrel men with zero self respect are gonna take on a woman with an infant.

[@ecclairmayo4153]

​​@@micclay single moms get marries all the time.

[@danasmith8292]

Brilliant question..

[@arianam5558]

Don’t let a man tell you he doesn’t want you more than once

[@Kaktus965]

I don’t want you I don’t want you 🖕🏼

[@prod.saiyan4863]

Don’t try to guilt trip a man into marriage by having his children

[@physicianskitchen]

​@@prod.saiyan4863 did she rape him? Or was he a willing participant in intimacy which ALWAYS carries a potential of having a child. The mental gymnastics is wild

[@LucasFernandez-fk8se]

@@prod.saiyan4863it makes me wonder if she baby trapped him tbh. Like she quit her job and got knocked up?! I’m wondering if she was dating above her league and now she thinks this is a good way to lock him down

[@CaraJohnson01]

@@prod.saiyan4863 don't trap a woman and exude power over her by giving her your children

[@amandadean3948]

SIGH…ladies PLEASE stop having babies with these men that think you’re good enough to lay up with but not marry. If a man never wants to marry that is by all means his prerogative and doesn’t make him a bad person but these are the types of discussions that need to come BEFORE the babies!

[@Musicienne-DAB1995]

Agreed!

[@AnOriginalYouTuber]

If you don't want to commit to mother of your child, you are not a man. You are a little boy. (This obviously does not apply if she is abusive, drug addict, etc...raise the kid yourself. Either way, be a man)

[@royhammel5205]

more importantly, don't be that woman who's not worth marrying. be the woman that's worth marrying.

[@Musicienne-DAB1995]

@@royhammel5205 Totally agree.

[@timothygibney159]

Please stop stealing our futures in divorce court 😡

[@amidthephantomsrose]

It's in situations like this that make me so thankful that my mother and my grandparents and my aunt instilled in me to be financially independent before I ever got into a relationship and also to make sure that I have my own money even in a relationship because you never know when a relationship will split up and you never want to be up the creek without a paddle financially, not being able to take care of yourself or your kids

[@francefradet2116]

I know a man who was strung along for years, then she left him and was married within months. He was devastated. A builder who worked for my mother. He confided in her. Leave fast. He will marry, just not you.

[@jennifermarques6159]

Did he propose? Was he strung along or was she strung along until the string ran out.

[@janka482]

​@jennifermarques6159 1st part refers to the builder that was strung along. 2nd part: leave, he will marry someone else, refers to the lady in the video.

[@tmb7415]

Same position I was in....waited 8 years and decided I would rather be single than stay with someone that didn't feel I was worth the "risk"

[@sensimania]

Did they try and fight to get you back?

[@Chet_24]

You could have proposed, or asked sooner than 8 yrs into it.

[@brendondowdy5651]

Did you offer to sign a prenup? I can't imagine why any man wouldn't require one before marriage. Alimony and child support has caused so much harm to relationships.

[@melh937]

​@@Chet_24If your girl needs to propose, you're not a man.

[@camellia8625]

@@Chet_24 If a woman needs to propose to force a decision either way (which may or may not be honoured in any case) it doesn’t bode well

[@MustangsTrainsMowers]

“My boyfriend doesn’t think I’m worth marrying” is enough to say don’t marry that guy.

[@harmonyexists2834]

That's the truth! 👏👏👏

[@gdavis2020]

My husband - who has been married before - dated several women before me, some for as long as 3 years ,he told me that when he met me and after our first date ( we went to McDonald’s for coffee) he knew that I was marriage material for him. He just knew that he could see himself being married to me. We’ve been married for 9 years and still going strong. I thank God for him everyday.

[@Crybaby-cz8et]

@gdavis2020 so your hubby was married before with a woman that was NOT "marriage material" and then marries you and saw that YOU are marriage material....wow!!

[@rebeccaiop9061]

@@Crybaby-cz8et😂😂😂 the irony right? Why waste another woman’s time with friendships and proposing and marriage only to know they are not marriage material? After 3 months of dating, you should figure out already if this person is marriage material and go into courtship in preparation for marriage or tell the person you don’t want to continue the relationship.

[@maame4592]

@@Crybaby-cz8etDon’t worry! Her smugness and self-satisfaction will soon disappear when he dumps her for a better “wife material”. I’m always amazed when women think they are better than the other women their partners mistreated

[@gostavoadolfos2023]

Those pick-mes thinking that a man is the prize turn my stomach 😐

[@falidisu2139]

Haha I knew the comments would light her up

[@miltoncat]

Ladies, if y’all live together and he doesn’t want to marry you? He is keeping one foot out the door. And if someone loves you, why WOULDN’T they want to marry you? My husband and I were so happy to marry each other. Best decision we ever made. 15 years and still going. ❤

[@TheMainMan364]

Congratulations! However, not all people have the same situation.

[@lovetobe6118]

Agreed. Men who don't commit but want the privileges of commiting are basically saying they want to keep the back door open if someone or something better comes along.

[@abark]

@@lovetobe6118 and women who demand marriage want the backdoor IRA to collect when something better comes along. Like the UPS man.

[@multimeter2859]

@@lovetobe6118 So basically the same thing married women do? Play house until a better man comes along and then steal half his shit in divorce? Lol, no thanks.

[@lovetobe6118]

@@multimeter2859 luckily divorce rate where I live is like 3% so both the men and women are very happily and safely married.

[@makaylahollywood3677]

I hope this woman finds a job, saves money and plans her escape. She is worth it. I love this show.

[@prod.saiyan4863]

It’s not about her, it’s about the kids now

[@tjjefferson3410]

The grass aint always greener on the other side. Especially when ur draggin 2 small kids behind u😂. No hard working respectable man will ever take her and her kids and marry her. Shes looking for a sucker and a simp🤷‍♂️

[@davem4193]

Women with your attitude are the exact reason why men won't get married in the first place. We know it's only a matter of time before you "plan your escape".

[@DontBowToEvil]

No, she’s not worth it. Who needs a woman who made poor decision to have kids outside marriage, then expects some other dude to take care of this mess. No thank you

[@kaleema1987]

@@DontBowToEvilAre you worth it? 🤔

[@StunningTransformations]

Ladies, this is why you NEVER have children out of wedlock!!!

[@southerngypsy1894]

So if the condom breaks, do you think it's better to 💀 the baby? Because accidents happen. 🙄

[@carolblair2845]

So many young female idiots out there!!!! I am 77 year old lady….ask me how I know…😢

[@Samurai-zh1jf]

​@southerngypsy1894 In some cases yes, it's better for everyone for a potential child not to be born. Do you think this child will be cared for in the best way possible? These people are indefinitely not in a financial or emotional state to take care of another person.

[@coureenlawrence4915]

​@@Samurai-zh1jfAre you serious? You would rather a baby be aborted. How about getting a job and take care of your baby or better yet, don't have sex..

[@brandy4530]

Yep, 100%.

[@eleo_b]

Start working, first step. I'm not into marriage myself, but if you have nothing yourself, you do need marriage for your own safety. Personally, I will never give up working for anyone.

[@gracegornall1504]

I’m in the exact same boat and have tears streaming down my face from the support and strength these gentlemen reminded her she had. Thank you deeply for this and for showing us some men truly have integrity, honor and are excited to commit and build a family and partnership.

[@chattingman6777]

Dave is amusing but very wrong on this issue. Marriage right now is financial Russian roulette. Women get divorced 70 percent of the time. Usually, before 5 years, 7 years at the longest. The best prenup in America is too never get married. It's cheaper to pay child support than losing half your networth and pay alimony.

[@joycemckenzie5723]

sweetheart, you girls picked these guys, silly mistakes, you trusted him!!!

[@AbdalMalik-ye1df]

@@chattingman6777 and you are trying to explain that to the women who benefit from this anomaly ? lool they will pretend they don't get it. MEN SHOULD NOT LISTEN TO SIMP DAVE WHEN IT COMES TO RELATIONSHIP ADVICE. He is living literally in the dark ages

[@AbdalMalik-ye1df]

well grace, you are cute so the fact that the guy doesn't want to marry you makes me realize you may have some serious issues. Are you crazy or throw tantrums ? I mean, there must be SOMETHING wrong with you that's putting him off.

[@MissChanelR]

Grace!! Your comment broke my heart. I genuinely wish the best for you, you got this!

[@lauragb3677]

I divorced at 32 with an 18 mo old and 5 year old. Dated 7 years, married for 10 years. He was my world but the marriage was toxic. My career made it possible to leave. 4 years later I met my husband of 21 years…life is better than I could have ever imagined. It’s never too late to start over and leave a situation where you are taken advantage of/emotionally and financially abused.

[@Soshiki]

Woman, you've been ran through by every man out there! That's nasty. What happened to shame smh 🤦‍♂️

[@uncorked5925]

You’re from a different time. Males don’t want marriage anymore they just want to run the streets and only when they have ED and a debilitating health condition do they want to marry a young woman to be their nurse

[@johnham4485]

Its cause you look like a ball buster.

[@rpcp5v18]

@lauragb3677, feelings wise who meant more to you, the first husband or the second husband? You can be honest no one knows you here.

[@lauragb3677]

@@rpcp5v18 my 2nd husband without question, our relationship is so good and fun, nurturing and supportive. We really care about each other’s happiness. We have helped each other raise kids from our first marriages, but never had kids together- as a blended family of 4 kids were plenty. However, because I had kids with my first husband and I love my sons so much, the sadness and guilt I feel that they had to suffer through the divorce, custody schedule and even now juggle holiday dinners, NEVER goes away. That sting of failure is forever present, at least for me. And I am happy to say my ex husband is happily remarried to someone better suited for him. So for the adults, life is better, but our children paid a huge price. We were just too young to marry and see the ways we were NOT compatible- and those ways are still the same today.

[@saragomez-maier2860]

The way you two are wrapping this woman in love, and reminding her of her worth, my God. I needed this years ago. Hearing it now is a painful yet beautiful reminder. Elizabeth I hope you’ve gained the strength to press on toward the new life waiting for you. ❤

I bet you'll do it again. And I'm sure someone gave you the exact advice if not better but you chose to ignore it each time

[@Hinnanymous]

I am in awe of the support these two just gave that woman! She is worth more deserves more and I hope she gets it!

[@mandyrose5822]

Yea they told her to get a job with 2 tiny babies. You call that support, not me.

[@EmpressoftheLibrary]

The most telling moment in the conversation is at 2:13, when Dave asks her, "Twenty years from now, your daughter is 24 and she asks you this question. What do you tell her?" The caller is dead silent for nine seconds before responding, "I don't know." She does know. She's just not ready yet to admit it to herself.

[@Lil-Whiskies]

That dead air was maddening.

[@turtleanton6539]

Yeah

[@MsChristianr]

Seriously I thought the phone had hung up.

[@ugabuga1361]

marriage is a trap for most men, 80% of marriages end because the woman. these two guys got lucky because their wives are actually loyal. a girl being loyal is as rare now a days as being a conservative in California.

[@Excalibur2]

So what? What's best for the woman is marriage, what's best for the man is not.

[@Mitzi73]

I broke up with someone I loved and I broke his heart because he didn’t want to marry me. He kept asking why. Because I have standards. It’s called Ego Strength.

[@prod.saiyan4863]

Wow, what a disguising admission but doesn’t surprise me coming from a modern woman I’d bet you’re still not married either

[@MiriamTheGreat]

If he was that heartbroken… he knew what you wanted and that it was a dealbreaker.

[@ugabuga1361]

he loved you and you left hahahah you messed up. all for a ring and and wedding to show off to your friends that barely even care for you.

[@Mitzi73]

@@ugabuga1361 Meh. He needed a mother at the end of the day (probably like you.) That’s not worth the ring no matter how much someone says he loves you.

[@boston312]

he didnt allow you to divorce rape him. Good for him.

[@jonathonnjamiegreene7313]

You were very sweet to this broken hearted lady. Thank you for your kindness shown to her. That will not go unnoticed.

[@oilnurturelady2347]

Love that part about the little 4-yr old girl watching momma to be a Warrior Princess!

[@hardpunk10101]

I found that a strange comment. He's advocating the mother leave the child's father. Which invariably leaves the child in a worse off situation as they loose their father. Plenty of kids go on to resent their parents for their separation.

[@michele21auntiem]

​@@hardpunk10101They arent married now. She has no rights.

[@Wishfull171]

@@hardpunk10101lol as a kid with divorced parents and knowing many with the same, none of us resent our parents for separating, but many times I’ve heard them wishing their parents did far sooner. Me being one of them, kids need love and peace, not screaming and fighting.

[@mandyrose5822]

I thought that comment was stupidity. Princesses are not warriors

[@Judi4Him4Ever]

I used that excuse: “I’m worried about money if I walk away”. Let me tell you my perspective 25 years later. He left anyway; my income dropped by 75% and I had put my kids through he((. Huge regrets but I made it! Leave him NOW. You’ll figure it out.

[@mgtowcowboy8159]

You mean HIS income that you benefited from. You are "strong and independent" now. GET A JOB.

[@glitterstarbeau]

I was thinking it's not going to get easier to leave later.

[@EsiriE]

@@mgtowcowboy8159 shut up

[@coconat777]

@@mgtowcowboy8159 wrong mentality this is why divorce and single parent homes rate is so high. You’re merging your life with someone else, nothing is no longer yours from that point on. Both people now have to sacrifice something for the well-being of the relationship and the family. Stay at home mums or mums that don’t work full time to take care of the family and household risk having less experience and no money if the man leaves, it is a massive risk and sacrifice.

[@amselsmith2518]

@@coconat777 It's crazy that this guy doesn't want to sign a contract that gives someone else a legal claim to everything he owns.

[@LCmonman]

Bless her heart. Made herself financially dependent on her boyfriend. Girl, there are things you should only do for a husband.

[@janise01]

No. You shouldn't do that for anyone. A husband can leave you, beat you, financially abuse you, etc. same as a boyfriend.

[@FancyRPGCanada]

I really hope she’s in a state that allows for common law unions, if only so she and the kids get some support after he leaves her

[@CaraJohnson01]

@janise01 it's better if he's your husband though so you can get half

[@kirby-hm4mb]

Even then...

[@BlueDauntless]

@@janise01There are laws to protect the wife. Not the girlfriend.

[@Gruuvin1]

She hears what John says her boyfriend is telling her, and she's thinking, "but now I have two kids with this guy; I hope this isn't true!" It's true. This is why you don't make kids outside of a marriage commitment! You damage you, AND you damage your kids!

[@w8stral]

And that last part is the most damning part

[@helena3631]

She should put the kids in foster care and move on … tons of women did this back in the day of they had kids they had as teens,biracial,financial issues… cut your losses and go it’s a sad situation but it is what it is

[@debfox]

Yah because your judgment is really going to help her. People aren’t perfect. You don’t know what led her there. Empathy and compassion matter! I don’t have kids. I’m not in that position but I have empathy and compassion for those that do. Judgement solves nothing! Empathy does!

[@Gruuvin1]

@@debfoxuse your brain. This video has 200,000 views and 3,000 comments. Dave broadcasts and youtubes these stories for ALL of us to discuss and learn from. If I was writing my comment to the caller, then I would not have started with the word "she". DUH!

[@w8stral]

Empathy does nothing. Suggest a dictionary dude. Empathy is YOU getting in your "FEELS" about someone else, be it true or bull shit. Compassion dear idiot, is YOU DOING something about your empathy. Though generally it is not compassion but PITY. @@debfox

[@DorothyM45]

The silence after Dave asks her the question about her own daughter speaks volumes

[@midnightblue117]

Oh YES it does...OMG...

[@danilaroche1156]

Right. John is great.

[@AFRetPA]

So, my wife and I have been MARRIED for over 49 years. We were both virgins when we wed, and proud of it! We were engaged for ~13 months, as I was military, stationed 1500 miles away from where she lived, so we courted via letters, after dating for about a year in college. We have three grown children, who themselves are married, parents, and successful in their own careers. My wife's encouragement was what got me to pursue training as a Physician Assistant, a career from which I have now retired. So what Dave says about financial advantages of being married, is TRUE - at least in our case. We were forced into developing our own marriage, independent of close monitoring from outside, as my military assignments never had us really close to either set of parents. Now that all the parents have passed, we know what we have in each other. I would NEVER trade what we have, what we've experienced, for anything!

[@annamc8228]

Beautiful!

[@L.Fontein7]

Congratulations that's beautiful and wonderful! ✨

[@kingdele01]

Different generations with different values. In today's world, your woman would likely be cheating on you and if you discover she will attempt to gaslight you into thinking that she's justified to do so, because you abandoned her & she's lonely. - I go to church with one military wife. - She was constantly paying attention to me & attempting to flirt with me, while her husband was deployed. - I was completely disgusted by what she was attempting to do and refused to attempt anything with her. - After he came back & I met him, he seemed like a good reasonable guy. I tell you, many people (both men & women) today are just not content with what they have!

[@yorocco1]

TMI

[@_Sloppyham]

@@kingdele01 man uses anecdotes as if that means something

[@emilypacheco2074]

My aunt told me, “Meja, you’re not the first and you won’t be the last.” I had my daughter alone but with family support. She sees her mom doing her best and learning that women deserve to be loved and not used.

[@prod.saiyan4863]

You had a child out of wedlock… You quite literally showed her you can be used

[@kingdele01]

You are correct! No one deserves to be used. However, people will use you, if you put yourself in a position to be used. Basically, I estimate that 95% of men who are attempting to get involved with you are not willing to commit to you or marry you, especially the ones with the best looks, game, humor & personality.

[@leopardspotsmusic]

Making decisions through strength, not weakness, some of the most awesome words of wisdom I've ever heard.

[@dvillebenny1445]

These men have a real perspective. They are right.

[@victoriaporsiempre]

no, they are selfish

[@RaleighLink]

So she knew he didn't want to get married before they had kids, nevertheless she chose to have kids with him and now she thinks she's a victim? Sounds like he was 100% upfront with her and she's upset she couldn't "change" his mind about marriage.

[@TheSilvertrigger]

Plus he's already been divorced once so he knows how screwed he will get.

[@jessegraham6971]

She wanted more leverage... Because she probably already said no to having s3x and he just watched PRON instead. So she has no more leverage to use. So she needs to get married so she can use "leaving with the kids and half your income" as a negotiation tool.

[@jessegraham6971]

" I dont cook. I dont clean......" Finish the song lyrics

[@thebastardgift]

Even if she changed his mind, during sometime in the marriage he would change it back.

[@MichaelJones-rn2pq]

The other side of the coin is HE thought that HE could live with her for years, have two kids and NOT get married but it would all work out in the end somehow. He was pretty delusional as well...right?

[@wickedbird1538]

😢😢I don’t understand women who have children without marriage. That’s crazy to be dependent on a boyfriend who has no interest in protecting them.

[@mattmasteringer4399]

Welcome to feminist world.

[@glitterstarbeau]

They get pregnant and don't want to have an abortion. Then they feel stuck

[@oldgeezer2780]

I can only speculate (having watched people for the last few decades) that he had no interest in marriage, ever, and having children was a stratigy to keep him legally involved if not emotionally involved. "Any man, under any circumstances is better than no man at all."

[@rnt45t1]

yep, she picked him, and she has control over her womb according to democrats.

[@ronycardoza4825]

Nobody says he does not want to protecting them. He is just protecting both, she her children and his own patrimony at the same time. I do not see her urgent or rush in getting married since they have being living ok. This situation and trouble has been brought up by her when trying to changes thing as they have always been since they initiated their relationship.

[@GenesisPabon-x4n]

I truly hate how people fear the idea of being alone, and just stay with someone who is emotionally abusing them. Society needs to stop villainizing singleness, because it results in these toxic habits. I would rather be happy and content being single for the rest of my life. Over being disrespectful to myself and be with someone that will never fully love me. I feel bad for her and hope she leaves him. It's so not worth it. Also never be fully financially dependent on the other partner.

[@asarishepard8171]

I agree I've been alone many years. You have to be ok with being with yourself. That so many people don't surprises me.

[@semosancus5506]

It has nothing to do with "society" and "social constructs". Ridiculous. Humans evolved to NOT be alone. That is what drives it. Human nature developed over many 1000's of years.

[@thebastardgift]

If a person has issues being alone that is a red flag as big as a sheet.

[@Primitive_Code]

I don't care about any of the stuff you said in the beginning but your last sentence is very true that includes family and a mate too. Different if married but never depend on anyone financially.

[@enhancedutility266]

Where do you get that people are being real nice for being single for the past 15 years I've seen nothing but singleness being celebrated

[@kimberlyfloyd1009]

Wow, I love these guys encouraging her... I am crying!!!!!!!!!!!

[@flygirl2447]

So she made the mistake of having one kid with someone who didn’t want marriage. Then she did it again. Did she think he’d change his mind? Yes she may be somewhat trapped by her situation but let’s be honest, she did it to herself by putting the cart before the horse with someone who never wanted what she did. My PSA to good women everywhere: When he shows you who he is, believe him!!!!

[@jessegraham6971]

Or try understanding his side and join reality because maybe he really does love you.

[@joelkaben]

He "showed" her who he is by providing, protecting and being there for her and their kids. I don't see the issue. Marriage is just an expense label these days. He is not a jobless bum who is not responsible, lol.

[@charlesg7926]

She tried to trap him first, and he did the Uno reverse card

[@Photoshopuzr]

hes probably the guy most women want and can't maintain or try to strong arm, then do what they can do to trap them. who knows, one thing sounds right he's a high value guy or he's got enough papper not to be take advantage of again. we dont know his story only this woman situation.

[@csx6910]

I know the reverse of this; a woman has two kids with another guy she didn't marry and is with a new guy that wants his own child with her. She won't unless he marries her. But think about that. He has to pay a higher 'cost' than the guy that came before him because more is expected. And this guy, for all intents and purposes treats the first two kids like his own and provides for them. The fact that she wants to hold him to a higher standard than the first is a HUGE red flag.

[@porterosbournejr.5083]

She has pretty much given up all her leverage. Why have kids with the guy and let him move in?

[@JohnSmith-ps7hf]

Sounds like she's a homeless woman who would do anything for food and shelter.

[@Kaktus965]

She was trying to use the kids to apply pressure on the dude to marry. Disgusting tactic. Now, let her eat cake.

[@mysticaltyger2009]

@@Kaktus965 And the ones who pay the highest price of these 2 selfish, damaged, parents are the kids. Not much talk about that in the comments.

[@danilaroche1156]

​That's very cold hearted of you. Mucho. Your icy.

[@danilaroche1156]

I disagree. She can always go to the Lord Jesus & start fresh. God ALWAYS forgives if we humble ourselves. She messed up. She's HUMAN. She needs to leave because premarital sex is damaging. It's error. God will help her if she let's Him.

[@maylynbayani]

Family values are very important. People thought i was judgemental when I said that one of my non negotiable standards for a suitor is for him to come from a stable family home. My parents were exemplary models. Far from perfect but as a unit, they have raised my siblings and I well. I wanted a husband who understands the value of the family unit and share my beliefs. Found one, married one, and I tell you, marriage has been a great adventure so far. I have a person who stands by me, who takes risks with me, and who ventures to the unknown with me. We have yet to have children but with or without one, I couldnt imagine life without him.

[@jamesstpatrick8493]

Unfortunately the modern woman, don't need men

[@PatriceDanielle]

It never was about needing a man. It is about wanting a man who treats a woman with respect @@jamesstpatrick8493

[@purpurina5663]

A broken home can be a starting point for someone to really work on their issues. If a person truly does the work, they can leave the past behind and turn out wonderful.

[@batkat0]

​@@jamesstpatrick8493 *Fortunately.....being entirely dependent on another person for financial stability is risky. My grandfather drank his paycheck but back in the good old days there were very few options for my grandmother. Talk to enough older women and you'll hear a million stories of women in bad situations they couldn't afford to leave lest they end up destitute and shamed for a broken marriage

[@labrigful]

I know a woman whose young "husband" past away suddenly. They never married, and have one daughter together. Its more than a peice of paper. Everything is harder now.

[@vitamind_forme3850]

Have an exit plan. I was in a 7 year relationship. I wanted out at 4-5th year. It took me 2 years to leave and I saved up and left. No regrets

[@sherbear265]

She sounds like she needs a hug and a friend to stand by her side and say, “girl, you can do this.” I hope she gives herself the love she deserves and makes decisions that are best for her and her children.

[@Kaktus965]

She sounds like she made some dumb ass decisions and now she’s paying for them…

[@AmandaHugenkiss2915]

If she leaves her life will be a disaster

[@prod.saiyan4863]

The best decision for her and her Chikdren are to stay where they are taken care of. Not run off and make everyone’s life harder

[@sherbear265]

@@prod.saiyan4863 I don’t know why you have to reply to my comment because it’s a different opinion than yours. It’s not going to change my mind. Have a good day. 🙄

[@trinat347]

​​@@prod.saiyan4863nd be miserable? She does not have to stay

[@defiantlypinki1107]

A lot of men nowadays want to get all the benefits of women without any of the investment or commitment. I used to wonder how women would fall for it, but I’ve had two men try to pull that stunt with me and it took me weeks to figure it out. One straight out told me on our first date that he didn’t believe in love and marriage, and wanted me to cook/massage/give a son to him as his 3rd baby mother. I blocked him right after. Another guy I was dating was stalling making us official due to “being hurt” and after two months said that he wanted to keep going out with me as “friends”. Blocked him right after. Cut him off!

[@mgtowcowboy8159]

"All the benefits of women" LOL! what benefits? Divorce? There's only one benefit to having a woman and we all know what it is. Thank God fewer and fewer men are marrying women. You ladies wanted your feminism, now you got it.

[@terryrainey8318]

Definitely not a lot of good candidates anymore. Paint or get off the ladder people!

[@enhancedutility266]

Women rejected patriarchy so men are no longer on playing that role anymore why do you think men are no longer committing since huge numbers anymore and why should they it isn't much benefit I could was back in the day

[@mysticaltyger2009]

If more women were like you, we wouldn't have so many problems!

[@PatriceDanielle]

God doesn't want your thanks. God is pro-marriage. He created sex for marriage. @@mgtowcowboy8159

[@kaizen_5091]

So true, it is so important to model, not only what healthy love looks like but also what healthy conflict resolution in that relationship looks like, what treating a man or a woman in a respectful way looks like. These are the things that set your children up for success later in life with not just romantic relationships but all relationships. The point made to 'make decisions from a place of strength not weakness' is also very helpful in acknowledging what is influencing your decision making and how your position can be key in making the right one.

[@jill9606]

Why, oh why, do people put themselves in these positions? Having children with someone who wants to make no commitment to you and then you stay home with the children and also forfeit your career, meaning you’re now also stuck financially. You’ve tied 2 anchors to your feet. This goes for whatever gender. I’m not hating on men. I don’t think anyone should do what she did.

[@schwartzybuisness]

People love living in their own misery

[@EsiriE]

you're right, we need to be more responsible. all of this could've been avoided.

[@Weakeyedominant]

My guess is she was in her early 30s and didn't want to wait any longer for a ring but also didn't want to go back on the market to find a new partner as planning children would be another 3 to 4 years away. When women hit their 30s without a partner they start to lower their standards.

[@sew_gal7340]

I am a stay at home mom, if i could do things differently i would have gotten a career and never had kids and never had to rely on a man. I am teaching my daughter to do things different and using myself as an example...hope she sees and learns

[@Weakeyedominant]

@@sew_gal7340 I'm sure your daughter loves you telling her that you regret ever having her.

[@BaconMountainMan]

In his defense, she sleeps with him probably as often as he wants and he gets to play house, without any of the actual responsibility, and without any of the financial risk. Why would he want to get married at this point?

[@Lon1001]

When you live in a common law relationship it's not just "playing house" it comes with the exact same set of responsibilities, rights and entitlements. A piece of paper changes nothing.

[@1981lashlarue]

@@Lon1001 Not all states recognize common law marriage so they may very well be "playing house" without any of the rights or entitlements of marriage.

[@BaconMountainMan]

@@Lon1001 That may be true, but he obviously expressed that or she probably wouldn't be calling.

[@oldgeezer2780]

@@Lon1001 Common law marriage isn't common at all. Last I checked, only 12 states recognise it. so yep, just playing house.

[@Netokrate]

Abusing your partner is something to be ashamed of, not looked up to. Most men do not give sex which could be a prize. The real problem is that she slept with him before marriage. No sex means no kids. Therefore for intelligent women no marriage means no sex. And free milk seekers can go for stupid cows.

[@dnah02]

Why pop out 2 kids without being married first is beyond me.

[@leelaural]

well life happens but its a good reminder that sex before marriage is always, always hurtful to women.....it can destroy you ....today's world everybody thinks sex is automatic for a couple even dating a couple of times....its insanity.....just start being virtuous and I guareentee that the guy you get will be well, well worth it....

[@rhorn04]

She loves him

[@manylaughs9002]

You must not have kids

[@dnah02]

@@manylaughs9002 in about 2 years I will after I get married this September. I grew up in NYC and saw rampant amounts of people with kids before marriage or before they got their finances in order. It was not a pretty sight from teenagers with kids up to early 20s with kids. I held off on having kids until I felt that I was financially prepared as well as mature enough to be a parent.

[@_cynthia_]

@@dnah02 I totally agree with you! I thought the same thing before I got married, I’ll have a child 2 years after being married also thought I needed to be more mature, financially stable, and mentally capable (since it seems stressful). Fast forward 7 years later makes me realize I may not want any, not because of my husband (he'd be great) but because I definitely realize I’m too selfish, I value my peace, sleep, etc. Anyway, It's rare nowadays when you see people plan before having kids, I applaud you.

[@patriciasimons1873]

I wish women would stop asking men what to do with their lives. How is she supposed to get her career in order with two children that young? Clearly these two guys have no clue the price of daycare. She would just be working at this point to pay off daycare and those kids are better off at home, and until these kids are in school full-time, she’s stuck in this situation. I wish more women knew their self-worth.

[@maureenb7399]

I needed your advice 35 years ago guys! Thank you for being so sensible with this woman. Bless you both.

[@Elementalism]

They are cheering her onto financial destitution. What advice.

[@DamnShame94]

You wouldn't have listened 35 years ago. It's too late for her 2 babies in too late

[@drea4195]

@@Elementalism And you'd cheer this young woman onto no security, no future, no financial independence, and no rights. Is that the adivice you're implying? Just stay trapped and wait for him to suddenly want to marry her some day?🤔

[@Elementalism]

@drea4195 So what does the ring afford her she doesn't have now? The ring wasn't important enough for her to not procreate. But today it is? This advice is the worst. Shat freedom is she providing for herself to run into the lowest socioeconomic class in this country? And doing it because she doesn't have a ring.

[@karenhardie1132]

Its called respect. Time to go. Don't put up with the lack of respect. Don't give him all the power. Dave is right find your strength not weakness.

[@youngdan7713]

Lol what take the kids and go ?

[@AmandaHugenkiss2915]

Yeah and now you're broke, a single mother, state aid, child support, custody. She's been playing house for seven years, may as well keep on going. I wouldn't marry her either if I was him. He doesn't need to.

[@micclay]

There's no benefit to him wifing her. Only downsides for him.

[@zachhenson7844]

​@@AmandaHugenkiss2915she chose to have two kids and stick around for 7 years before bringing up the marriage discussion. She's still in a relationship, maybe she should have brought all this up before having his children

[@monicavandeventer5429]

Lack of respect is not grounds for divorce. Biblically speaking, at least. Relationships are hard. Marriage is harder. Fight for it. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@iseepandas1]

The real question I always ask people those situations is why tf would you have kids with out getting married?!

[@laughoutmeow]

Condom breaks and she won’t abort

[@dede4539]

The answer to that is desperation. Someone who is desperate NOT to be alone. Desperate not to lose the one they think is right for them.

[@schwartzybuisness]

Because these people are mindless and financially irresponsible to the point where they don't understand what they're doing in life. These people are the type to rack up debt, have a large family and blame everyone for their problems.

[@jacobo9611]

She did… so next question

[@droid2D2C3P0]

First could have been an accident, the second was a choice lol

[@janephillips3627]

I knew a girl in a bad marriage with a high school degree. She went to nursing school, got a job, then left. She got the house. He pays child support.

[@KillerofGods]

And thats exactly why men dont want to get married anymore. Statistically they get shafted during divorce court about 80% of the time. So you give a powerful incentive to women to divorce their husbands and break up the family and/or shack up with another dude.

[@ikeameltdown8012]

Some women are smart.

[@YashKumar-tj3vt]

You are proving why men should not get married more.

[@talexander2302]

Poor thing😢....Ladies STOP letting these men DEVALUE you and your WORTH

[@shawnlove4502]

Yup, men are not stupid. Dont have any kids for a man who doesnt marry you.

[@Kevin-jk8zb]

they do it themselves, spreading em legs open...aint nobody tellem too!😂😊

[@QuanHoang2x01]

well that is the type of guys she wants. I bet she goes with the bad boys and that makes her feel good... The guy did the wrong thing and so did she. She choosed badly

[@shawnlove4502]

@@QuanHoang2x01 Hard to not choose badly when most men are inherently not good men lol

[@zeroplague]

​@@shawnlove4502You skipped the nice guy.

[@chelsea2378]

I appreciate how much they are uplifting her in this call

[@dieze8277]

Thinking about what if it was a man saying his girlfriend does not want to marry him... Probably would say.... well... whats your income? And blablabla... Maybe she's a looser?

[@crumbsburner]

@@dieze8277 Nah fr I peeped how they’re more inclined to put more blame on the male😴

[@jaykay4541]

How is lying to her helping anyone, they should have said you had the choice to marry before you had kids it’s a little late now. What’s one benefit he as the breadwinner gets to marrying you now, it’s all only risk.

[@dcg590]

What? They put zero responsibility on her. She chose to have kids out of wedlock without being a wife. This is her fault.

[@AmandaHugenkiss2915]

​@@dcg590absolutely. Right now he's only on the hook for child support which means he'd be living under a bridge anyway. Why marry her and when she gets the tingles for Chad, he loses half of everything. Nah, ain't worth it. He's treating her exactly as she earned it. Girl better learn her place and make the best of it.

[@JIX9ISLER1986]

She did not require marriage before having children....end of story.....next caller

[@jaypos444]

Exactly!

[@mike7933]

Yup!

[@Rob10288]

👍🏿👍🏿

[@Margatatials]

I think she wanted them to tell her how to convince him to marry her, but they recognised that after 2 kids this was a clear boundary for him and didn't even go there.

[@mgtowcowboy8159]

Exactly!

[@Daphattack]

I had children and moved in with my boyfriend. We lived ten years together and on our 10th anniversary we got married. He wanted to do a court wedding and I wanted a wedding wedding so we decided to wait a little longer so we could afford a wedding without going broke. It was the most beautiful day. He said he felt married already but going through the process made him so emotional. We faced some challenges too, like getting his previous divorce paperwork from another state took us seven months! And other challenges and he was the one spurring it on saying, doesn’t matter! We are getting married now! Nothing is stopping this wedding! And y’all it was so wonderful knowing that he loves me and our family so much. With his actions and his words. I share this in the hope this woman finds the strength to either expect this from her current boyfriend or get out of that situation and find someone that will love her like that. Everyone deserves a day and a love like that! ❤

[@iamme7664]

Not after 10 years

[@Daphattack]

@@iamme7664 to each their own. It took us 10 years but we already felt married. That others may not agree with my life decisions doesn’t take any joy, rights or richness away from mine.

[@YashKumar-tj3vt]

​@@iamme7664 she already has child before him so she was characterless so she needs to prove him that she has changed in those 10 years.

[@jjc2323]

This is why women need to be firm and express their specific boundaries. No moving in before a ring. No kids before marriage. Have standards!! Just went through this with my boyfriend - now my ex-bf. He asked me to move in with him back in April, 10 months after dating. I said no - I have to be engaged. I have standards. Just had a talk - THE TALK - with him a few weeks back. Saying where is this going. It's been a year. After that - he lost interest and we broke up officially last week. So - he never really wanted to be with me forever. Some men - like my ex - want to shack up and pretend to play house and hubby/wife - and they will never marry you. They don't ever want to be married - or in his case - he found the women he wanted to marry - she dumped him a few weeks after he asked her dad for her hand in marriage and he hadn't proposed yet - so they are hung on an ex. I only found that out 7 months into the relationship. A similar situation happened before with another guy I was dating. hung up on an ex girlfriend. ask lots of questions ladies and listen very well! don't give anyone more than 6 months. A man knows if he wants to marry you or not within 3-6 months.

[@jjc2323]

@@wookiee27 agree about the true self and mask. Why I said 3-6 months. Your comment is perfect because it sums up the current dating pool - or like I call it - cess pool. Yes - intelligent men may wait a year or two before proposing. That’s very understandable. Intelligent men and women who are also WISE date for 6 months then check in on the relationship and ask deeper questions. That’s called having open communication with your partner - no one is setting an ultimatum. If you see it that way - then you are either a player, a commitment phobe or not into that woman. Look - a man of any intelligence level who actually is serious about finding a wife knows if he wants to be with you long term after 6 months. All the male relationship coaches say this and my married male friends do too. And if you don’t know if you want to commit to her after 6 months - why are you wasting that woman’s time? Let her go. Life isn’t a game. Btw - I’m not speaking marriage at the 6 month mark - just long term plans and goals - If you think it’s manipulative to discuss where things a headed in your committed relationship after dating you exclusively for 6 months - I feel sorry for you and especially for her. This is what is wrong about current society/culture. I don’t believe in the shack up culture and let’s “see how it goes” in a few years. If I had no standards then I would be moved in with my ex already (he asked me to) and pretending to be his house wife and cleaning up his messes. That’s all he wants - like several other men I know - a maid, sex doll and cook. For free (no ring) 🤣 no thanks 🚫

[@jragon9215]

I know I’m not risking it all on modern women today and with the biased laws towards men there’s no way I would get married, terrible idea for a man.

[@jjc2323]

@@jragon9215 its called a prenup.

[@nattie911]

​@@jragon9215men have much better health when in a healthy relationship. Don't let rhetoric about genders "all women are gold diggerd" etc. Keep you from potentially fonding a great partner to have a full life with

[@RG-hf4et]

​Good. Nobody here wants to see you married if you don't want marriage. Just be sure to tell that to the women you date. That is only fair & don't shack up either. And use protection. If you don't want marriage, that's very ok. Just be up front & HONEST about it. Nobody can fault you for that.

[@DanielMartinez-ov6cc]

Shouldn't live with someone unless you're married to them. She gave all the benefits of marriage without commitment.

[@antoniodinardi611]

What “benefits of marriage” are you referring to?

[@absl9248]

Sex, children, cooking for him, cleaning for him, giving your career up so that he can progress his.......

[@rdb0819]

Respectfully, this young lady also benefits from sex, kids, shelter, protection, transportation etc….Maybe the guy wants to have a normal family lifestyle without signing a marriage contract. Let’s use logical reasoning, who benefits from the divorce, should someone miraculously decide they don’t want to be in it anymore? 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@nicolejennings8389]

Living with a boyfriend is completely different from getting pregnant by them. If you don't have any kids, you are free to leave whenever you want. You aren't tied to the guy. This is why most women are on birth control until they are completely ready to have a baby. She made bad choices.

[@lovetobe6118]

​@@rdb0819statistically speaking women are greatly disadvantaged by living together with a man before marriage. They are more likely to be domestically abused by a significant margin (83%), more likely to be homeless at some point in their life, more likely to have children without child support or a father present, far more likely to remain in poverty, more likely to divorce after getting married... Sex is not a bonus for women. Men are not effected physically and economically by sex like women are. When women have sex it can result in pregnancy, which regardless of how the pregnancy goes affects her health. It puts her in a tight economic situation. Women need to be told the three factors that set them up to not remain in poverty. The primary factor is don't get pregnant before marriage.

[@diceportz7107]

It took me a long time to realize that my reluctance to marry my boyfriend was not due to "I want to be free!". It was not about accepting the status quo. Rather, it was my subconscious screaming at me to run, because we were two nice people separately but toxic together. Both our lives got better when we called the relationship off. I learned some valuable lessons, like always have a place to go and sister's couch isn't it. Always have a money stash because you may need it.And the best was, don't live together unless you are married.

[@ericl6386]

I agree with most of your comment. But why should you not try to live together before you are married? Imagine you marry someone, move in together and find out that does not work out for both. I would prefer not to be married at that point, makes the break up way easier .

[@diceportz7107]

@@ericl6386 I would say that people "know" that it isn't going to workout but get married anyway, thinking things will change after marriage. I adhered strictly to the no kids before marriage, so there was no messing up little lives because Mom & Dad were grown up versions of children themselves.

[@Gruuvin1]

Getting married is a commitment to allow another person to become a part of you, to help YOU become a better person, which is always difficult and will always bring you against moments where you want to change your mind. It's like jumping out of a plane with a parachute; it's scary and it'll never really happen until you jump. If you don't commit to doing it; if you do it with a plan B option to backout, you WILL backout when things get difficult. This is why you have to be ALL IN AND JUMP-- otherwise you will always be pretending and you will never grow.

[@Churros1616]

I agree but don’t get married to soon. Live together 1-2 years before marriage.

[@diceportz7107]

@@Churros1616 And end up like Lee Marvin?

[@electrowayne2918]

I don’t blame him for not wanting to get married… I DO blame him for wasting HER time and having kids with her; alll while putting her in a situation to just be a roommate/nanny with no money . Karma is real . And he will get a visit. Ladies… no ring .. no kids no shacking up and you will skip this step this young lady is experiencing.

[@somerandomdudeonline7182]

lol why blame him. It’s her fault she wasted her own time. She decided to get knocked up. She decided to stay with him.

[@hankfuchs8405]

Love how Dave never interrupts John. He treats him as an equal

[@vairagya108]

Only in this vide! He does interrupt him in most of the others. There are some in which he doesn't even let John speak.

[@nohero178]

@@vairagya108 Yupppp . . .

[@XSP17]

I heard some men mark their territory by getting their girlfriends pregnant. They know once a woman has a child, it's harder (mentally) for her to leave...no matter how bad you treat her.

[@alluringbliss4165]

I've heard men say that but it's very inconsiderate towards the children.

[@saramatthews7159]

Exactly...and these dumb women fall into the trap everytime.

[@melizzamelizza]

@@alluringbliss4165they don’t care about these children.

[@annatar6453]

Women can sleep with any man they want. So pick carefully ladies.

[@TheMainMan364]

I disagree. Marriage isn’t the end all be all.

[@MrJimmy3459]

Most people wander into relationships with no communication of what they want out of said relationship and 7 years later end up like this woman....

[@KFontLab]

It’s this common misconception (and I see it in the comments) that “Omg he is going to become this wonderful committed and amazing man when he magically meets the right woman. Please stop. A man willing to do things like this shows his level of selfishness and lack of maturity. If he really had strength of mind and he could fully stand on his own (I don’t mean financially) he wouldn’t need to hang on until another magical woman appears. He lacks character and integrity and even if was to get married eventually he would still be him. And no matter what good behavior was put on at the beginning he will still reveal himself.

[@fortyseventhronin]

If two people are comfortable making a family without a marriage license, I'm certainly not going to judge. But if you want marriage, why in the world make kids with someone who doesn't?

[@13ikea]

BINGO

[@amyeastman8764]

EXACTLY. And now she has the AUDACITY to be surprised he won’t marry her. ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY.

[@boston312]

as a man I would never sign a contract (marriage) allowing the government in my finances. Especially, seeing how most marriages end in divorces

[@onecompass7290]

Why in the world would HE make kids?

[@mysticaltyger2009]

@@boston312 Then please, please, please do not have children. And the government is involved in our finances, anyway (and I'm not ok with that either, but it's a much bigger topic than just marriage).

[@sarahphillips295]

He has all the benefits of a wife with zero commitment. He risks everything and stands to gain nothing from marrying her now. He’s told her with not only his actions but words also that she isn’t worth marrying. I don’t know how much clearer he could possibly make it. If she wants marriage I hope she gets her life together and moves on. I’ve known several women like this that have been shown the door once he meets the woman he actually wants to marry. This is why you don’t move in with, have babies by and play wife to a man who won’t make a legal commitment to you and make you his wife.

[@handyman1016]

Why would any man with or without assets risk losing half of what he's got by being legally married ?

[@sarahphillips295]

@@handyman1016 In the vast majority of cases it’s only half of what’s acquired during the marriage. Anything either party had going in isn’t a marital asset. And way more men would get married if the woman they actually want to spend their life with pushed the issue and wasn’t willing to stay a girlfriend for years on end. Women like this move in, have babies, combine assets, cook, clean and act like a wife when they’re not a wife. Then they wonder why he won’t marry them.

[@heman7767]

1. She had children by him before marriage. 2. Moved in with him before marriage. That's her values and lifestyle. Suck it up and forget the marriage covenant. She is as bad as him in joining in in his bad decisions and now she wants to cry about it. Not and true repentance but I'm sorry because it hurts.

[@williamjohn8633]

pre-marital assets are divided in divorces, unless there's a prenup in place protecting them. This woman has all the benefits of marriage, but just without the government contract. She wants that contract for more bargaining chips, so that way she can come out on top in a divorce. She's already been planning her exit, now she wants that marriage contract for more leverage. All of this wouldn't be a problem if women weren't cleaning out men in divorce courts, for much more than half @@sarahphillips295

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

Sounds like a Purple Pill guy - got burned in the divorce, but still wants the benefits of a marriage.

[@baysideharpy8350]

Having a child, then another, hoping to coerce him into marriage will NEVER work.

[@maamepomaah7000]

I hope and pray that our girls are watching and listening ❤

[@jeanlaubenthal698]

He saves money by having it this way. She is nanny, cleaning lady, with “benefits”, errand runner and the list goes on … with less respect than an employee gets. Have him pay her a salary! Add up 24/7 nanny etc. Know your worth. Don’t let him get away with this because he would not let someone treat him like that.

[@jeanlaubenthal698]

SO TRUE!

[@jeanlaubenthal698]

She needs to get paid for her services now!

[@northstar2621]

I know. He would pay a stranger more than the woman who is larping wife for him... crazy.

[@DeathSnacker]

I agree in principle but she is not in a position of power in order to bargain. She doesn’t have a job or skills (it sounds like that anyway) to back up drawing a line with her boyfriend. “You need to pay me what I am worth” “No” ???? She needs to get a skillset and leave. It is sad, but she did this to herself. She had babies with a man who has made her no promises. She has house room, food and clothes. She was foolish to do this.

[@JDAfrica]

Fact is - women lose value over time while men gain value. Sad but true. She’s got no chips left to bet.

[@SoloDoubleR]

7 years is a long time. Sending love, success, peace, calmness, and comfort to this momma

[@jimroscovius]

My wife and I went together for five years before we got engaged. We were engaged for a year, living together the last 6 months of our engagement because we moved to a different city. We waited six years before having our first of two kids. Still happily married 41 years later.

[@justinjustinjustin10]

Loving together before marriage is a serious sin.

[@jimroscovius]

@@justinjustinjustin10 We had a 2-bedroom apartment, so what do YOU know??

[@colmwhateveryoulike3240]

@@justinjustinjustin10 Well maybe they repented and got married.

[@beechcraftpvp]

@@justinjustinjustin10 Ive lived with a girlfriend from my past. We had separate rooms. Was this sinful? Maybe you shouldnt be so fast to judge. That is also a sin.

[@Tunechi65]

​@@justinjustinjustin10 I'm sure they asked for forgiveness every night they were banging. You happy now?

[@charmo3049]

Why slave away for a man who isn't my husband, why play house and join expenses with a man who isn't my husband, why have the risk of having kids with a man who isn't my husband, why stay with a man who doesn't want to be the proper model father to my children and a proper husband to me, why play wife with a man who isn't my husband - who can leave anytime without consequence? Why do everything backwards?

[@randydietmeyer5883]

We got married in Vegas. :) But we DID have a 6 month engagement -19+ years later we're still together.

[@NurseMoneyGrowWealth]

Doesn’t matter if he doesn’t think you’re worth marrying… you have to know you’re worth marrying. What he thinks is irrelevant. Put the focus back on you. ❤

[@BeyondSightG]

👏🏼 Yessss

[@katja6332]

That's a very good advice ❤ love it

[@Shannon-gr7rm]

💯

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

My parents divorced when I was 3 because they were too young and stupid to have a real relationship together. I learned from their mistakes and married when I was 27, 3-years after college, making over 50k with an established career path - married over 21 years, first marriage to a woman that doesn't believe in divorce. I met her via a mutual friend - not in a bar.

[@lorettacollins3061]

Steve Harvey said it best, don't make him tell you twice that he doesn't want you.

[@sunflowergirl77]

I just had this conversation with my son the next day he called me to tell me he’s engaged ❤

[@mathisnotforthefaintofheart]

l feel sorry for him. But engagements can still be annulled. I hope he wises up. mgtow forever

[@PatriceDanielle]

Thank you for asking him to treat a woman with respect! I value that you asked your son for account for his actions.

[@northstar2621]

​@@mathisnotforthefaintofheartNo, you feel sorry not everyone validates your hatred of women.

[@mathisnotforthefaintofheart]

@@northstar2621 Ah cute. A single woman is hailed as a hero. She is an independent effinist and needs no man. But a single man who avoids marriage is viewed in a less favorable spotlight. How ironic.

[@northstar2621]

@@mathisnotforthefaintofheart Oh, the objective rational man reading things into a conversation that were never even said to justify his hatred.

[@beatpirate8]

i went to nursing school and take care of myself. so many women were single moms where their kids father didnt help. they all made it. being a mother gives you so much strength. you can handle this. you will handle it out of love. for yourself and your children. you can do this!

[@Romy-po9qv]

We women need to know our worth, find out first who we are, define our values and learn about boundaries before getting involved with a man. We are human and make mistakes let’s learn from them and change ourselves to teach new generations how it’s really done. Love for a higher power and for ourselves will allow us to see behind the mask and it will highlight the red flags. Lots of love for this lady I wish the best for you and your children.

[@Mentalhealthliz]

So good! Where have I been? I thought the Ramsey Show was solely about finances. I love this! ❤

[@tomdillan]

After my parents got divorced my father has been with his girlfriend for over 36 years without getting remarried and she accepted that he didn’t want to get married again. My mother got remarried twice, one guy was abusive and the other seems to take care of her. Way too many variables to form a complete opinion.

[@Wablestomp2]

Did your father and his girlfriend end up having children? I think it’s less problematic if they’re “playing house” if they’re above baby making age and aren’t having children.

[@BikeHelmetMk2]

For a lot of people, once they get that noose around your neck (or your ring finger), their personality changes... it's perfectly possible to be committed without. Seems plausible that the fellow just had a very bad experience with a partner, and is not interested in organized religion or their structures anymore. They didn't dig at all into how he treats her, or the children. Marriage is clearly on a pedestal with them. Really, they should've found out more about what happened to him, rather than assuming that he had malice in his heart, or that not liking the concept of marriage has anything to do with not liking or valuing her. I think they demonstrated their own beliefs and biases more than provided useful advice. They didn't even ask if he's religious.

[@tomdillan]

@@Wablestomp2 no, I asked him why when I was 17 or 18 year old to which he said”If I can’t raise my own kids I shouldn’t have any more”. His girlfriend wanted kids but he didn’t want any more. My grandmother raised us after we were taken away by the court.

[@mysticaltyger2009]

@@tomdillanAt least he had the sense to not have any more. That is where this "go your own way" philosophy goes wrong. It's terrible for kids.

[@raphaelszok8561]

I don't think she needs Dave Ramsey she needs a Psychiatrist for still being with him.

[@jill9606]

Dr. Delony has a a PhD in counseling, hence why she called.

[@jasonbornne7767]

She doesn’t have a job sooooo

[@inthebooks3947]

What did he do wrong ? He’s paying all the bills & being a father. He just doesn’t want to get married…

[@And1one757]

​@InTheBooks that part but thats what happens if your man your automatically demonized on this show

[@Netokrate]

@@And1one757 don’t be a S..y man and you will not be demonized.

[@houndmother2398]

I'm 65, single, no kids. Make about 55,000 a year. My parents divorced when I was 11. Substance abuse and some violence and emotional abuse. I decided that I didn't need that. I probably won't be as happy as I could have been but I won't be as miserable either.

[@TheRisky9]

But you're not dragging other people into it. I too decided not to get married. And I'm not going to play games with other people, trying to game my way into a "happy life" with no strings for me and all the strings for them.

[@nora4981]

Hey you’re doing better than me and I’m half your age. I’m also forgoing some “societal obligations” due to trauma from childhood. Thanks for (unintentionally) validating a decision I decided to make to avoid more trauma. Stay blessed!

[@houndmother2398]

@@nora4981 I think it's best to go with what you know you can handle. I wasn't set up to do a good job of parenting in my opinion, I would have just made me and the kids both nuts. So I have a dog. It's your life, you get to decide how to live it.

[@Seren3ti]

I love the straight talk, a lot of women are settling for scraps, and pretending to be happy about it. Be mindful of what situation you are walking into, and what you have for yourself so you aren't dependent, regardless of your relationship status; your values clearly don't align, and now you have babies without any real commitment (which isn't always marriage). She has given away every ounce of her autonomy. Let's do better women, she is doing more harm to herself than any man could possibly do by not looking out for herself. Not victim blaming but stating facts, we show people how to treat us, by the level of love we show ourselves, our boundaries, and adhering to our values.

[@marimarsilva4629]

Man I miss my dad so much ! He passed away and I always asked him for advice ! He wouldn’t Sugar coat things he really made me see things how men do is girls sometimes think with feelings not reasoning! I needed this video ! I’m so attracted to some guy who has not ambitions :/ I’m working on myself to not settle for that

[@atdepaulis]

I love how the first thing you did was tell her what her worth was.. sadly so many of us are broken and need to be reminded of their true worth (me included) She can do this, get a game plan, if he really doesn’t want to lose you he will start to freak out the more independent you get and stronger you are.. he may not still marry you but he will have that oh crap moment and realize he needs to do something to keep you or leave.. Get your ducks in a row in a separate account and for sure… make whatever decision in strength vs when weak and confused and making choices based off emotion ❤

[@yuriy5376]

they have no idea who she is and what she is "worth". They literally got to know her name 30 seconds before 😂

[@LoveLife-oo9cz]

I went with the old fashioned way. No marriage, no sex. I told my then bf, now husband, that he should wait for marriage until he could be able to afford a house. He immediately bought a house after a year of dating me and proposed. Ladies don't want to hear, but if you can tame your horses, you won't regret in future even if the guy leaves you, because you have nothing to lose. You don't lose virginity and dignity then beg the guy to get married. Love can be stink. Love is not all pure

[@awsambdaman]

That’s a weird demand of someone. Like imagine I tell her “lose 100 pounds and I’ll propose” it’s literally the same thing

[@eleanorwalmsley635]

​@@awsambdaman absolutely... All hell would break loose

[@LoveLife-oo9cz]

​@awsambdaman Marriage is a contract. It doesn't matter if you want to believe or not. If I did not feel safe and secured, then I wouldn't want to get married. If a man is broke living in a third world then it's acceptable, because of limited opportunities, but not in the US. Where is love when you can't move to the next level if you feel worry about unsafe neighborhood and versa. Planning is caring. Men are usually the providers, and women are nurturers. If you ask why, please ask your dad or father-in-law if you married to someone, to see their thoughts. You may not have to ask, just watch if the dads are the main providers or not. No, I'm not feminist and I don't believe in their ideals so no need to discuss all the 50/50 relationship scam. A real life example) A lady bought bird food because she wanted to attract birds to her garden. Obviously they have value to her. She can see them and be happy without touching the birds. So, she spends the money to feed them in order to see them. Similarly, men pay for Onlyfans girls just to watch them, without even touching them. Men see values in women when they propose. Simply being with a man is always a risk. A risk of getting pregnant, a risk of health issue after birth, access to her free labor housewife, cooker, and pleaser (pleasing him, ha). Also, if she works, even part-time, the family still gains in general. As a woman, I wouldn't date anyone if my bank account has no money either. Financial security is always better. It does sound superficial but it's realistic. Besides, I hardly see a high quality man dates any homeless woman either. He usually go for a woman who loves to take care of herself. What is your disagreed thought?

[@victoriaporsiempre]

@@LoveLife-oo9cz did he buy the house for you both or for himself?

[@NicaraguanBeauty21]

I’m engaged. I’ve been with this man for 10 years and we have a 6 yr old going on 7 soon. He told me that if I give him another child he will make me a stay at home mom, words sound great and all, I just cannot! As much as I want to blindly trust I can’t, but women PLEASE only have the kids you are willing to raise on your own. A marriage can end up in divorce and listening to this women’s story is devastating 😢

[@PatriceDanielle]

At least with a marriage you have a right to his pension if you divorce. He wants a SHAM then he better provide marriage. Make sure he knows your worth & will not take your contribution to your family for granted.

[@lynnebucher6537]

Sounds like potential empty promises to me. An honestly, I would be hesitant to get out of the job market for a man who offers to barter that way.