My Fiancée Is Demanding Her Dream Wedding Or She's Leaving!

[@shirleyshirley4188]

Literally, he has his sign right there. He should run from this woman. Their whole life is going to be her making threats if she doesn't get what she wants.

[@bobmalooga335]

many such cases.

[@TheAustrianPainter87]

More red flags than a Chinese.....

[@takeastandorbeenslavedby-left]

Exactly. Never cater to a terrorist in a relationship that has two sides

[@amireallythatgrumpy6508]

The only thing wrong with this comment is the first word.

[@RoyalMasterpiece]

Far Far Away

[@stevep5408]

Emotional blackmail before the wedding is a black flag.

[@robertherman1146]

Technically, it’s EXTORTION

[@paulklanseck4300]

Agree! I learned my lesson (too late)!

[@valeriestevens5250]

Yeah, I'm not getting it. Of course, I never had a "dream" wedding plan, but I've heard there are a lot of women who start "dreaming of the day" when they are little girls. Again, I just don't get it. How about a small wedding and a reception meal with close family and friends, then saving up throughout the year and having a big one year anniversary bash? Or just push the day back a year and save like crazy for the dream wedding? Why is that a problem? They are both young so an extra year shouldn't such a big deal to get the dream wedding.

[@raccuia1]

I'm 2 years after this post and I hope like heck that you haven't married that bonehead. She is clearly a controlling creature who will play the victim and shame you to get what she wants for herself only. That shows a lack of empathy. Never let emotional blackmailers control you, ever. As for Ramsay's suggestion that you go and see a Christian counsellor, absolutely do not go and see one of those religious nutters. They will lead you down a road of destruction. Get all of that religious crap out of your head.

[@brightmorningstar1]

My friend's girlfriend threatened to commit suicide if he does not come to her house on that day itself.

[@cryptojihadi265]

She doesnt want to be a wife, she wants to be a bride. HUGE difference.

[@J040PL7]

All she wants is to take pictures to show her friends that would most likely bang you 😂

[@romystumpy1197]

The stats are that they would probably be divorced within 5 years,run mate

[@scubadivingadventures1]

Women like that are sooo weird and lame lol

[@PhillyFan20]

Sounds like she wants a wedding, not a marriage. Call it off and move on.

[@Miss_Dani_DWhit]

I said the same thing

[@firebird6522]

Perfectly stated, Jackie.

[@LarsonFamilyFarm-LLC]

correct..she's immature.

[@chief5981]

Yo!!! 😆

[@eoinMB3949]

Yeah and this is a real problem in life. Men have to be so careful about this. If a woman talks about her wedding as it being "Her day".............red flag. She should describe it as "Our day".

[@RenegadeNomad]

As a wedding photographer, this is a massive red flag. I've photographed almost 100 weddings and less than 30 of the couples are still together after two years. I've learned to see a lot of the red flags before the wedding even happens. The fact that she's prioritizing the price of the wedding over actual happiness says a lot about her. Every time I see this happen, the couple doesn't last more than two years.

[@marknewton6984]

They won't last.

[@hammypie]

What other red flags have you observed? Pls and thx!!!

[@RenegadeNomad]

@@hammypie Bridezillas. I had one couple break up AT the reception. I get paid in advance, thankfully. Also, couples that have known each other less than 5 years, especially if they haven’t lived together historically haven’t survived.

[@USMC6976]

I was thinking if he gave in and borrowed the money, they would be divorced before he paid back the loan.

[@marknewton6984]

​@@USMC6976Good point! Semper fi

[@betl5982]

My childhood best friend didn’t have money got married in a restaurant with around 30 family and friends guests costed under 3k. Many years later now they have 2 kids and are still happily married. Weddings don’t make marriages.

[@revondamehovic3132]

These kinds of weddings are my favorite. I really like potluck weddings too

[@valeriestevens5250]

Exactly!

[@johnphamlore8073]

I had a relative have the wedding at the bride's mother's house with the family bringing potluck for afterwards. It was very hot. But they are still happily married to this day with children. And they are accumulating property.

[@salkur3654]

If they both have the same income, why is she offering to pay 25% and he is supposed to pay 75%?? Red flag right there.

[@peternielsen8723]

4k out of 20k is only 20% but other that that you're right. They have a similar income. Unless there's something we don't know, surely they should both pay about the same for the wedding. She'd probably argue that they do. 4k on the wedding, 12k on the dress, or some other BS explanation.

[@apersonontheinternet8006]

I don’t understand why grooms even entertain the idea of paying at all unless it is at the court house for a few hundred dollars. If you want an elaborate wedding, either you or your parents can pay for it out of your own pockets.

[@smpiano6605]

Because like most modern day women, she only believes in equality when it comes to income and not responsibilities. It's all "we should abolish gender roles" except for the ones that benefit them.

[@CHRIS-pc6nw]

​@peternielsen8723 other that that? Should you correct your own before others ?

[@OrlandoVallejos]

this was the comment I was looking for! haha,... doesn't make any sense.... demanding for a paid wedding when both make about the same? what will happen when they decide to buy a house? He will have to pay for the house while she buys the curtains??? My lord!

[@brianlewis8722]

"Anthony, how fast can you run?" "Pretty fast." "Okay, on your mark, get set, GO AWAY from this woman!"

[@KR-uw8qo]

🤣😂 🏃

[@ceciliapreziose3783]

not very

[@TJMoolTricia]

there it is. she could have pushed back the wedding and she's not willing to compromise. don't have a marriage or a life or kids with her. no.

[@genericusername1365]

Haaaa, my first chuckle of the day. Thank you.

[@TheArsenalMan125]

I read it in his voice

[@lisabaltzer4190]

My late husband and I decided that we wanted to start out together without debt. We paid cash for our furniture and my car. He had a company car. We also wanted to have a few dollars in our pocket. I got married in a $40 dress that I made myself and I got my shoes for only $4 because the store wanted to get rid of the size 4 shoes that didn’t fit anybody but me. We stayed married for 40 years until he died 2 years ago. He left me with multiple paid off houses and cars and an income for the rest of my life. When he died, we didn’t owe a penny to anybody, and I am still debt free. He was a good man that treated me very well and handled money responsibly. I really miss him.

[@zefcypher]

Wow! That's amazing. Sorry to hear about your loss 😞

[@jot5445]

Just say you married a rich guy 😢😢😢

[@cynthiahatten7388]

@@jot5445Really? You are sad.

[@meggold3422]

He sounded like a fantastic person. Many prayers for your comfort in Christ.

[@concertoinx9070]

@@jot5445 No, this was probably during the era where simply being financially sensible could afford you and your family a good life.

[@MrSdragon197]

This demand will never end. Walk away from this walking red flag.

[@pattimartin859]

Agreed, the demands will never end. Wait to get married and see where this goes. It will make or break the relationship.

[@Gyalog44]

Run, Run Away!!!

[@VenerableBede2510]

He says “I make 30, 40 a year”. Pick one.

[@marknewton6984]

You will pay for her lobotomy.

[@marknewton6984]

Walk Away, Renee!😅

[@gypsy1rose417]

As a woman who has been married for 20 years, I would tell this young man to RUN LIKE HELL!!!

[@genericusername1365]

You are a REAL woman, and thank you for your sage advice. No man should marry that woman.

[@BlueDauntless]

Same. I’ve been married 17 years.

[@handsvsfood2781]

I'm only 32 but it's so clear to me now when I see these huge red flags but as guys, it can be VERY easy to overlook signs like these and end up in terrible situations later on in life. Young men often need the right people for guidance.

[@sonicmoj1]

AMEN!! Listen to this woman!

[@dt4654]

if you want this type of wedding, you need to born with a diamond spoon in your mouth, not the regular spoon you have.

[@texasskygirl7890]

She's immature. If she doesn't get her way, she pouts.

[@smart127]

Called my girlfriend who worked at the same place on a Friday morning asking what she was doing for lunch. We were both single parents at the time. She said, “Nothing.” I said, “Let’s go get married.” We went to the courthouse, got married, had some lunch to celebrate, picked the girls up from daycare, and took the rest of the day off. 26 years and seven grandkids later, I am more in love with her than ever!! 😃🙏🏼❤️

[@doomy_doomy2225]

Congrats but could have done better on that proposal

[@louib716]

Yall are cute.

[@retrojay86]

@@doomy_doomy2225 who cares. they have enjoyed a great outcome.

[@goldpop5001]

How does this relate to today's problem??

[@lizabeth4453]

@@goldpop5001 I'd say they connected with two entirely different types of women who place value on different things. The caller's potential wife values the ceremony. The OP's wife valued the marriage. Hope that helps. :)

[@om617yota8]

Spending 1/4 of your combined annual income on a wedding is absolutely ludicrous to me. Just pure insanity. Ridiculous.

[@tylergnosis2581]

Facts

[@Mom_of_the_Chickies]

I was a bit shocked. My fiancé and I are doing $14000 including two honey moons and we earn double what they do. But tbh that is a reasonable priced wedding in the US. especially if you’ve been engaged so long

[@eligreg99]

@@Mom_of_the_Chickies The thing is both parties should come to the table with money. The financials shouldn’t all be on the husband

[@Run4Ever77]

@@eligreg99 Exactly. Traditionally, it would on HER family to pay for it. Interesting that she is paying $4k, and somehow expects him to pay $16k.

[@eligreg99]

@@Run4Ever77 Don’t you go talking about tradition brother. Cancel culture might hear that 😂 Just messin with ya 👊🏾

[@wirebrushproductions1001]

I read an article interviewing a wedding planner. Her take was that you can tell how long a marriage will last by the size of the rock on the engagement ring, and the number of guests at the wedding. The bigger each number is, the shorter the marriage will last.

[@alberttang6955]

The biggest wedding I ever attended was for a buddy that married a wealthy society debutante type woman. Several hundred guests. 14 bridesmaids and 14 groomsmen. They hired a world famous boys choir to sing at the church ceremony. Their marriage lasted less than a year.

[@IIIEPINEPHRINE]

My wife wanted a big wedding too, I didn't. The difference is we discussed it, factored in costs, life plans, goals, etc. and ended up eloping for ~$400. We didn't even decide to do the ceremony because we decided to put all of our money towards saving for a house since we are (were at the time) planning to have a baby. Fast forward two years later and we don't regret it at all. Highly recommend would elope again. RUN bro. Freaking RUN.

[@josephtorres3229]

And that is the perfect way to do it when starting out. This girl sounds super scary.

[@financialeducation4433]

My wife and I did a Vegas Wedding in 2019. 600 bucks for a ceremony with, photographer with digital photo rights, livestream of ceremony, limo ride, champagne bottle, cake, and a dove release. Best deal ever.

[@actual_doge3221]

@@josephtorres3229 Yes she does sound scary. It should be a no brainer! Why is the wedding more important? I don't understand how the ceremony takes precedence over a beautiful relationship but she's willing jeopardize her relationship over something that could wait even longer if they were completely devoted. I don't see the point in rushing. She seems desperate or something, very unattractive.

[@911eVoX]

Terrible idea. Our $50k wedding was amazing and you'll never experience that

[@vchafab]

@@911eVoX We did everything ourselves, but I was in the wedding business and my husband is handy. Our wedding looked like a $100k wedding for 320, but we only spent $7k. It was a lot of work and I pulled every string I had but it was so worth it. And your right, the memory is irreplaceable.

[@katiejon17]

Oh man, the wedding is the inexpensive part of a marriage. Sir - you do *not* want to share your life (and have children) with a women like this. My husband and I had a wonderful wedding on $1,300 (including everything!) and we are working together to pay off debt (only the mortgage remains) and build retirement. Marriage is difficult enough without being forced to do it with someone who is this self-centered. Call it off, move on... and allow yourself to meet a woman that matches you well.

[@reese85]

What kind of wedding you guys had that only cost $1,300?

[@ProChaos514]

They need to make more women like you.

[@2005Pilot]

@@reese85 same as ours- JP and park pavilion. Just celebrated 30yr anniversary

[@reese85]

@@2005Pilot congrats!!!!!!!!

[@marcosrodriguez2496]

spending 1300 on a wedding seems pretty excessive. why spend that much when you can get married for free at city hall? what is it with american's obsession to waste money?

[@doctorposting]

she wants a wedding that’s 50% of his income haha

[@ricardomontoya3766]

He needs to leave her

[@tylergnosis2581]

Agreed

[@davem4193]

Facts

[@coach9410]

Facts!!

[@marknewton6984]

Run, man. Now...

[@sonicmoj1]

10000% There are thousands of woman who will value him more than this gold digger!!

[@ARS757]

This is a major red flag. If she thinks spending 20K on wedding when they make 70K a year is a good idea, then you have to ask what other irresponsible financial decisions will she have you get into once you are married.

[@chevysaregr8]

Delusions, not decisions

[@machintelligence]

When you are wearing rose colored glasses, red flags are just flags.

[@mdterp512]

I was making $50,000 when I was engaged to my fiancée and she was making minimum wage money. We wanted to be married more than anything else and I told her we could not afford an elaborate wedding. She agreed. Went to the courthouse, paid $35 and got married there. This allowed us to get a jump start to our marriage and finances. Our 20 year anniversary is this August. Lived debt free. If she is prioritizing a wedding over a marriage, RUN!!

[@Crazylab1616]

We got married for less than $1200.00. My wedding dress was off track for $100.. had a nice dinner and went to city hall and had friends and family for dinner..

[@Gsyekd]

If my fiancé ever told this to me, there would be no discussion. I’d open the door and show her the way out.

[@susancnw59]

when is your wedding. If it is a really long term 'engagement', then what are you waiting for?

[@admiralspire]

@@susancnw59 Starting off with amssive debt is a great idea to make sure your relationship will speedurn itself to death. Much easier to get rid of her than the debt she forced you to take.

[@Ruby_TN]

Consider yourself lucky that you dodged a bullet. If it were me, I would not continue this relationship. First, it's the wedding, then it's always something else she wants and before you know it, she gives you another ultimatum. This is not how a marriage should be. Run, Anthony, run!

[@jadyphan5892]

I agree. Run away from this silly girl. Fast!

[@lonewolf5316]

sounds like a one way street and not a 4 lane highway to me

[@LG123ABC]

Kick her to the curb!

[@emiliaescobar7652]

True, these days, young people want a Pinterest Perfect Wedding, it's all about IMAGE, They can have a simple/elegant wedding for way less then that, I wish this young man a lot of luck, can tell by his voice, he cares and loves her.

[@Proverbs1Christian]

I got married last year. It cost just over £3,000. One of our friends took photos at the church and register office for free. The pastor is a man of God who did a short ceremony for free. We had 20 guests who then all went to a restaurant for a 3 course meal costing £800 in total. We only invited those who meant a lot to us. We both make good money and are debt-free but I respect the hard work my husband puts into earning it, so I wouldn’t squander it. We are happy and blessed. Everyone at our wedding had a great time and said they felt a special blessed atmosphere. People need to stop wasting the resources God gives them on ego

[@Cyberdactyl]

Yep, for a lower-income couple with a joint income of around $75K, a wedding more than $8K is kind of irresponsible.

[@momkatmax]

It can be a sweet and meaningful wedding without big expense.

[@willelliott5052]

When she accuses him of being greedy, that is known as projection. Dave is correct. She is entitled and childish. She should be reminded that weddings are traditionally funded solely by the bride's family. Where are they? And I know enough about military culture to know that with her attitude, her probability of fidelity on a military base is just about zero. Cut her loose to marry and divorce someone else.

[@badfinancial_decisions8989]

✅️💯🎯🎯🎯💯✅️

[@brettmajors69karaoke]

Stay single

[@resaboutb.9566]

I bet he meant she's calling him "stingy." *She's* clearly the greedy one.

[@genericusername1365]

@@brettmajors69karaoke No, get married to a woman who isn't a bratty, demanding shrew.

[@TaintedDarkBlade]

Get rid of her. She's selfish and immature and will ruin you financially into the ground and divorce you for someone else. I've seen this countless times before. Better to be single, especially at 24 then have your life ruined before the age of 30 by a spoiled pampered princess. Let her ruin her own finances or someone else's.

[@lonewolf5316]

speak the truth!!!!👍👍👍👍

[@ANIMALragemode]

EXACTLY!

[@DJ_Patent]

Truer words have been never been spoken, Tainteddarblade! Great words, too Dave!!

[@marknewton6984]

Run,dude!

[@penguinistas]

3:36 $16,000 for a wedding is very expensive for a couple that makes about $35,000 each. If she is demanding this expensive of a wedding, and is willing to walk away if she does not get it then she does not love him (period). He needs to cut his losses and find a woman who actually loves him.

[@mikefp3]

To her, the wedding is more important than him. Huge red flag! Run away!

[@coriemmett1363]

Yep agreed! 😢

[@barbarabudgets]

A wedding is one day, marriage is a lifetime.. address the underlying issues before getting married 💍

[@kbanghart]

Address the issues that you can, anyway.

[@johnwillis688]

She says he is being greedy!!?? She is the greedy one. Run away!

[@Kwicdrawmcgraw]

As a vet.,this sounds like a story I've heard numerous times with different service members. Get rid of her before you end up a divorced E5 paying alimony/child support.

[@coach9410]

They cancel each other out!

[@marknewton6984]

Dump her.

[@jacobdoughty8278]

Hahahahaha sounds like a couple of my buddies I served with

[@marknewton6984]

Let her leave😢

[@jdsheleg8332]

I think every former service member has heard this story.

[@rdmineer1]

She wants a Disney wedding. If you say no she'll go find someone who will say yes? Let her go.

[@patriciabrant8037]

My cousin had the big Disney wedding. She ended up divorced in two years.

[@jimbrown4640]

Will she? She will try. But in my experience, in a few years, she will call him out of the blue in an attempt to make up. In no way should he accept her back.

[@AD-oy8nm]

bro she wants what is the average cost of a wedding in the country stop being stingy, i wouldn't go into debt for it, but she's not asking for something excessive dave said that himself

[@rdmineer1]

@@AD-oy8nm She's operating on the mindset that this is HER wedding. It's THEIR wedding, his too, and together they will have to face the consequences of the cost. It can be a phenomenal memory and rightly should be, so if both are into it deal with and pay for it. But on an ultimatum like that, let her go. Otherwise he risks a lifetime of ultimatums. Trust me, I was married 30 years. That girl was wonderful in many ways, but she could go through a $1300 paycheck in a weekend without remorse. That left me a full tank and $20 between us the next two weeks.

[@AD-oy8nm]

@@rdmineer1 when you use the phrase disney wedding you made it sound like she's asking for something extravagant. and newsflash yes its their wedding, but lets be honest men don't grow up dreaming of their dream wedding, girls do.

[@daxisperry7644]

I paid $8000 on my wedding and it was great. My wife and I both worked together about what we could and couldn’t afford. I had to convince her to get certain things she wanted because she didn’t want me paying too much. RUN from this Chick

[@Chloe-ds9jf]

$16k isn't too much?! Why would you spend such a ridiculous amount for one day unless you have good money? The commercialisation of weddings hurts my head..

[@gtf5392]

Yeah Dave Ramsey was off on that. Not too much according to whom? It may not be too much for him or others, but it might be too much for a younger couple in a different life circumstance who can’t afford that much.

[@onwednesdayswewearpink2761]

google say the avg wedding in he US is $29k..which I find horrifying

[@FaithandPurpose828]

ikr. $16K is way too much for a one day event for people who make $80-85K as a couple. Horrible advice to say $16k isn't too much.

[@CD-tw9tv]

Idk, 16k seems pretty cheap, but if you can’t afford it you can’t afford it. And this case really has nothing to do with the wedding price

[@onwednesdayswewearpink2761]

It is a modest wedding with likely a $800 dress, flowers from the grocery store florist and a modest caterer. Which is FINE by me, but I am not this couple. @@CD-tw9tv

[@soapa4279]

My wife and I got married without a big wedding either, because at the time we didn't have much money. Now we are super healthy financially and I've asked her, do you still want a wedding celebration? She said "no, I'd rather us keep the money and go on vacations!" That's why she's a keeper and I adore her to death. This guy's fiancee in the video, red flag. Run the other way immediately.

[@michaelweeks8141]

Got married 8 years ago and my wife didn’t get the wedding she wanted. She’s brought it up every argument since then and our marriage has been horrible. Run while you can.

[@ZeeZed153]

I hope you are getting what you need from someone else discreetly.

[@Fred2-123]

Tell her that maybe her next husband will give her the wedding she wants.

[@momkatmax]

So sorry. My Mom was a historian type of fighter with Dad and would go back YEARS. Made me physically ill.

[@ghjong001]

16k is reasonable if they make 150k and they split the costs. It is not reasonable when they make 70k and if she expects him to foot 75% of the cost, and she's delivering an ultimatum.

[@ajaywilliam9224]

Gold Digger?

[@dcg590]

It’s 20k and he doesn’t want to spend it. She tries the ultimatum, she does not care about him.

[@syrinx114]

My husband and I make over 150k and got married last year. We spent about 5k on the wedding. It was beautiful and everyone (a small guest list) had a good time and had more than enough to eat and drink. If 16-20k had ever entered the picture I would have said absolutely not. I would have taken my $100 dress and his rented tux and gone to the courthouse. 5k was more than enough to have good food and a lovely outdoor venue for us and our 40 guests.

[@josephomole6404]

If she insists on a $20k wedding, then she can't only be contributing $4k and be providing ultimatums

[@SulekSpeech]

Yeah it should be the other way around and she contributes $16k.

[@riner9]

@@SulekSpeech traditionally the bride's side (father) pays for most of it right?

[@SulekSpeech]

@@riner9 Idk, this is far from a traditional relationship and only the people getting married are paying.

[@maryalicecampbell341]

@@riner9 yes all of it

[@donaldhutchison4652]

Facts 😂that’s actually the crazy part. She wants you to put in 80% of the finances while she calls the shots. Time to move on but I know that’s easier said than done

[@geraldn.6871]

Mr. Ramsey said it nicer than I ever could. My 18 year old son got a bouquet of roses and box of chocolates for his girl for Valentine’s Day, and he worried that she wouldn’t like the roses. I told him, “If she doesn’t, dump her.” She should be grateful that you remembered Valentine’s Day.

[@brocklarson457]

If Rachel says she’s crazy, you should probably listen. Lol

[@freedomfan4272]

a female friend of mine I have known for almost 20yrs says most women are crazy

[@actual_doge3221]

@@freedomfan4272 as a female, lots are stupidly demanding. Some are good though, and practical.

[@genxx2724]

@@actual_doge3221 Yes. Choose wisely. Most men do not. The sensible women aren’t the ones who look flashy. Even if they’re better looking, they don’t get noticed because they’re not covered in makeup and shiny things, exposing themselves in provocative clothes.

[@bigbird4481]

@@actual_doge3221 women like that are rare nowadays lol

[@BohemianDollhouse]

​@@freedomfan4272 Hmpf. As if men can't be crazy.

[@jimhandler1129]

Never make a decision based on someone giving you an ultimatum. You both need to decide together, or you decide alone.

[@oldtomplatz8862]

If I ever get married, I’m going to the courthouse. Have a small reception for close family (15-20 people) and then have a big BYOB party for all my friends.

[@BorisBalinkoff]

It's not about the money, it's about the power dynamic. She's asserting her power and by giving in to her demands regarding the wedding she wants to have, that solidifies her power and it will never end.

[@tracyaf6084]

Or maybe she doesn’t trust he’ll actually marry her because they’ve already postponed it once. She’s probably embarrassed to tell people that too.

[@patriciaalbertson5183]

Control freak?

[@cur244]

@@tracyaf6084 Threatening leaving probably isn't the way to go.

[@tracyaf6084]

@@cur244 I agree. Actually leaving is the way to go. If you need to demand someone marry you, it’s probably not a good match.

[@JamesWilson-sb9iq]

I agree 💯

[@olenabi]

I know people who had a very expensive fancy wedding, where both of their families got into debt to pay for it. And eventually they got divorced in 3-5 years. When we were planning our wedding with my loved one, we decided not to invite ANY friends, because once we’d invite someone, others would feel bad for not getting an invitation. So, we ended up buying a suit for him, a dress for me, and invited only my parents( his were outside the country) and a good photographer. We registered our marriage and had a dinner at a good restaurant in a very small circle. And an amazing photo session. So happy for the choice we made back then, almost 6 years ago.

[@vj2ofakind]

Red flag 🚩 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 She’s unwilling to compromise and already seems to not understand financials and budgets. Probably best to wait or take a break from the unhealthy relationship. 🤷🏽‍♀️ been there.

[@charlesg7926]

Agreed. She’s just not very bright. Maybe she’s not a bad person… she’s just a stupid person 😅 lol

[@BlendedBarbieDoll]

This actually breaks my heart for him. The fact that he is even working his brain this hard to make sense of this means he really cares… but they are not in the same page. She wants a wedding that’s 50% of her own income?!? They don’t make enough for a $16k wedding. That’s all there is to it. They just don’t have enough money.

[@ratsofatso5525]

Love ain't enough to cure insanity.

[@BachBeethovenBerg]

It's a $20K wedding and she's putting up $4000.

[@emiliaescobar7652]

They can have a nice wedding for some what less/or if they push it back, not good to go into a marriage about her, demanding a costly wedding!

[@snsn7251]

After marriage she will get worse

[@roolyfe]

Modern day women want the wedding 💒 not a marriage! Kardashians lifestyle!

[@dcg590]

Dave, this is NOT her thinking she’s not valued. She’s selfish and demanding and immature. STOP giving her the benefit of the doubt. She’s OUT OF LINE.

[@VibeShortsReal]

Bro….run. The fiancé doesn’t give the man an ultimatum. Unless you’re simp. She should be happy to just go to the court house

[@millsathn]

You said it 👍🏼

[@chrisperez7710]

Facts if my girl told me that I would’ve kicked her out the house right then

[@kbanghart]

Does the man give the woman the ultimatum?

[@kbanghart]

@@chrisperez7710 unless it was her house LOL

[@takeastandorbeenslavedby-left]

@@kbanghart, no just leave.

[@Aboutaprincess]

Husband and I were both active duty and got married on post. It was a cute little wedding and I think we spent less than $150 with everything included. It's definitely doable, but she needs to want the marriage, more than the wedding.

[@kbanghart]

That's awesome for you, but in no other situation I can think of is $150 even in any ballpark as realistic. But in your context, that was good.

[@ShayShayChardonnay]

THIS. These females want a WEDDING, not a true marriage.

[@SVSky]

When I was in the honor guard we did weddings and noticed, that how much a couple spent on their wedding had an inverse proportionality to how long they stayed together. Congrats! You did it smart.

[@davroy5890]

@@kbanghart not in the military, but I got married for roughly $400. More than twice the $150, but much much less than $16k. It's not impossible to do it really frugally.

[@douglassmith215]

@@ShayShayChardonnay “these females”? Not sure I’ve misinterpreted your sentiment here.

[@JustBCWi]

Relationships are likely to fail for two reasons: fighting over money and inconsistent fighting styles. Here we have both.

[@harbertray29]

My wife married me and I didn’t even have a high school diploma. She graduated from college and still saw the POTENTIAL I had to be the kind of husband she wanted. 20 yrs later we’re still together and I’m the bread winner. She will never have to worry about anything as long as we’re together.

[@scottcass4243]

Our marriage was at the county court house in a conference room & had breakfast at Denny's after. This July will make 40 years.

[@mjs28s]

Don't get counseling for this issue? She needs to go. People that are doing this as adults are going to be causing you to go to counseling for your entire marriage. Same with if she can't say what she is thinking - she also needs to go.

[@Laoriginal718]

Leave her. Simple. Smfh. If she’s not good with simply getting married at the courthouse get rid of her.

[@angel-ij4xv]

she will end up finding a rich man

[@marknewton6984]

Run like h--- !

[@insideambersworld7370]

People who have the "dream wedding" tend to regret it. Run son! 😂😂😂 My husband and I went to the court house, because it is better to put that money towards a house than blow it on one day "impressing" others.

[@darrenruben4108]

Correct

[@thefish5861]

Amen.

[@ChrisCorey]

(Side Note) - I love the way Dave and Rachel bond. Even though they are father and daughter, they both bring two completely different perspectives as adults. They represent multiple generations, yet they still come to the same truth, and it’s plain as day. No matter how much time changes, common sense is still the same, and love is still real. When two people have a genuine, strong bond, it shows. And I’m all for it. We need this so much in our culture today. 🙏

[@q_bzy]

Bro run. She's leveraging a wedding like this now? Imagine if you have a kid. RUN

[@marknewton6984]

Nothing but heartache...😂

[@roydaniels2549]

What a total spoiled brat… the type of women who’s like… “this is my wedding” and controls everything like it’s just HER special day. She’s gotta go. It’s not worth it bro.

[@lonewolf5316]

then it will always be her day!!!

[@justinecorrington4106]

2:58 i like Ramsey said no don’t go get married at the court house. Not when they are literally arguing to the point of my way or the highway. That was such terrible advice, I am glad Ramsey stepped in

[@ballan00]

Seems like a huge red flag. Not so much that she wants a $16k wedding... but that they don't currently have $16k and she refuses to work with him to figure out how to save that money... and even worse... gave him an ultimatum that it is either exactly on her terms or she's gone. No compromise. No willingness to partner with her spouse to be to tackle the challenge of affording her dream wedding. IMHO that is a sign of awful things to come if he goes forward with her as his wife.

[@paddingtonbear760]

They make the same amount of money; why is it entirely his responsibility to pay for the wedding?

[@reese85]

@@paddingtonbear760 I don’t kno many situations where the bride paid for her own wedding

[@CreamIceMs]

This all the way

[@funmir4440]

AND it’s half of his income! Which makes 16k a lot more than it would be for the average wedding

[@tayh.6235]

Yeah, that's about what we spent but almost all of it was paid for by my debt free dad who set the budget and could afford it and then we planned based off of that. If the budget had been less, we would have done less. No way should you go in debt for it.

[@9liveslisa]

I'd leave anyone who demanded like that. Time to exit left.

[@marknewton6984]

Who is she to demand anything?

[@pinkkfloydd]

$16,000 is an expensive wedding if you're only making $35,000 a year. It's all relative. Thank God my fiancee's parents are paying for the wedding (the whole traditional "the bride's parents pay for the wedding") because I told my fiancee I wouldn't blow a bunch of money myself on a one-day event when we can put that into buying a house.

[@micahwatson9017]

It’s not about the money, the debt, or anything else. If you can’t work this out TOGETHER, you have no business getting married! As a married couple, that’s what it’s all about...working as a team to figure things out. BOTH need to compromise!

[@nate_2092]

No he needs to leave

[@paigegnau7304]

@nate_9092 He needs to leave if he has a conversation with her and they can't figure out a way to really hear what each other is saying and really wanting. Just like Dave said or maybe just implied, the money may not actually be the root issue for her. Throwing a whole relationship away without at least TRYING to work it out is a crying shame for both people involved. They've clearly built a foundation, and there is some level of affection there: why throw that away at the first major hurdle? What if they talk and the conversation goes really well and the relationship is not only saved, but is stronger for their efforts? And if the conversation goes poorly, well, then they need to ask themselves if it IS time to leave.

[@1ChrisNeedsMoney1]

Best comment.

[@whatk2]

I'm struck by Dave's advice to him to find a chaplain or a pastor. It's a very mature approach, since we're only getting his side of the story which may or may not be the reality. Sure, the audacity of her stance is entertaining but there are two people that are on the verge of ruining their youthful years if they don't at least TRY work it out together.

[@Thenagymom]

Buy bye she's only interested in the ceremony, not commitment to you.

[@johanna6050]

She's not even interested in the ceremony, she's interested in the spectacle.

[@marknewton6984]

So long, baby...😅

[@arnesbeganovic]

I love how that letter M creates small devil horns around Daves head (04:00) :)

[@RCGuitar982]

"Be a man and do it for her" that's unsettling. A real man keeps himself out of debt to help provide for his family now and and in the future!

[@arnoldasbucys7786]

Times changed.

[@VanderbiltMr]

@@arnoldasbucys7786 Well said. I saw the term “starter marriage” circulating on the interwebs. Some lady out there might think “good idea!”

[@kurtjames9487]

Sadly there are so many Simps in the world today that "Be a man" means be a doormat.

[@drtij_dzienz]

What happened to the brides parents paying for the wedding

[@johnmartin4641]

His wife is his family, therefore it is his job to provide for her. Having said that, her parents should be paying instead of him.

[@thejakelegion]

I'd have dumped my fiance' in a heartbeat if she dropped those altimatums on me. I won't marry a disaster.

[@endebtedone]

that was some sage fatherly advice right there. that was a heart-to-heart talk. ❤❤❤

[@Zabbyzab]

She aint worth it. She's already choosing money and material things over him. Especially when she is complaining when she only puts 1/5 of the cost

[@RoyalMasterpiece]

🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤

[@synthia6428]

Right? If she put half and figure he should put the other, then I get it, but to have have foot most of the bill is nuts if the make the same amount.

[@Fred2-123]

@@synthia6428 No. There is no his half and her half. They are not boyfriend and girlfriend at this stage. They are to be a couple---joined as one. There is only "our" money.

[@marknewton6984]

No woman is worth it.

[@professionalpookie]

​@@Fred2-123get a life

[@BaconMountainMan]

There are more red flags here than a carnival. 😳 I liked the part where *she* tells *him* that *he's* the greedy one. That's 100% gaslighting.

[@oroville12345]

Don't you mean a Chinese communist party meeting 🤔...

[@cl8wnm5n]

She handing out red flags like Costco samples

[@genericusername1365]

@@cl8wnm5n Yeah, he's gonna have to work a 2nd job at Costco to pay for this Bridezilla.

[@jaredmoore3825]

Let her go bro, cause after the “Dream” wedding, she’ll want the “Dream” house, and the “Dream” life Style, and a “Dream” vacation….

[@handleyobusiness]

Dream wedding or no wedding. She deserves the latter. Know your worth, kings. Don't negotiate, and definitely DO NOT simp.

[@chartuck]

1,000%. Real men don't get married, dumb ones do.

[@marknewton6984]

You will be sorry😂

[@laurastrout7588]

Next she will demand a big, expensive house!! Run dude!!

[@karlabritfeld7104]

And expensive car.

[@Pete-gx4fz]

I'm Italian...parents pay for a daughter's wedding. If for some reason they aren't, its on the couple. Its all for nothing anyway...this woman uses threats to get what she wants and there is no other form of communication or compromise. I would move on.

[@djf8619]

You are wrong, Ramsey, a 16 thousand dollar wedding is out of line. That is almost 1/4 of each of their yearly wages. That is insane.

[@JustLIkerapunzel]

I was about to say for people Who have a good income it might be reasonable but considering that both of them are low income it's insane! Plus what was that about her paying 4k and so he should pay the other 16k?! So it would be 20k! Them both having a similar income I don't see why he is expected to cover more than 3/4 of HER GOAL BUDGET

[@darlenecase5688]

I totally agree that 16 thousand is too much! You have money so you aren't looking at it as an average person. Spend the money on something else.

[@JiisTube]

What are your qualifications to determine that?

[@BruceLee-lm7lh]

That's a house down payment or one day party

[@THX5000]

No good reason for a man to get married anymore. These boomers are so out of touch. Hoeflation is real.

[@Forestdawg1791]

What most people tend to forget is the wedding itself is just a party to celebrate with your family. You can go down to a courthouse and get married for $50.

[@resaboutb.9566]

Most of the folks here know this! Ms. Fiancee needs a clue.

[@genericusername1365]

Or pay the county for a marriage license and have one's house of worship officiate the wedding for FREE. My house of worship charges nothing.

[@kathryncashner3294]

I have long said that if people spent half as much time and effort planning their marriage as they do their wedding, they'd be better off. My response to this woman would be, "Don't let the door hit you on your way out."

[@Kng9929]

She’s not the one my guy, be financially secure, is more important than a wedding

[@gregq3474]

I was a military cop for 6 years (19 - 24yrs old) and saw lots of military buddies marry and divorce within a year or two. I saw what people did while their spouses were away on TDY (temporary duty assignments away) and responded to my fair share of domestic disturbances at base housing. It was an eye opening experience that kept me from marrying at a very young age. I did end up getting married in my late 30's long after my separation from the military.

[@agagqbq]

she did him a huge favour giving him this demand BEFORE the marriage, run.

[@tom-qj6uw]

There's a bunch of red flags: - She demanded her dream wedding which means he has no say over anything on his own wedding day! - They earn about the same and she forks over 4K and he's supposed to come up with 16K. How is that fair (especially considering that his ideas regarding the wedding are not even deemed worthy of consideration)? - The ultimatum in itself. She obviously is not interested in solving this TOGETHER as mature adults in an equal partnership, she just wants you to do as she says. Run, Forest, run!

[@trekreview]

RUN!!! DO NOT GET MARRIED TO THAT WOMAN!!

[@marknewton6984]

The Horror😂

[@Mop222]

The amount is out of line. It may not be a lot from somebody who has been working awhile and is solid financially. If you have to borrow money, it is out of line.

[@penn-g7x]

I feel like this marriage is bound for disaster. A counselor might help the situation, but there are so many red flags popping up here to overcome. Both parties seem very immature to be getting married at this point. This reminds me of a relationship I was in with a woman who was very cavalier about debt. Don’t get me wrong, I had my own flaws, but it was one of many conflicts which put a strain on our relationship.

[@davidelliott9590]

Run Forrest, run, and don't look back! If you don't, you will find that a divorce will cost you a lot more!

[@marknewton6984]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@WatchList-xf8ic]

Dave is correct that a $20k wedding (he incorrectly said $16k) is not that much by comparison, but a wedding that costs 50% of the man’s income is just TOO MUCH. The bride needs to lower her expectations, or this groom is just never going to please her and she will leave him.

[@johnmackey3937]

The wedding is out of proportion with income. People put down less for a home.

[@fauxbro1983]

Let her walk...she's for the streets. She will ruin your life. She wants to be a bride not a wife

[@josephtorres3229]

"she's for the streets" totally.

[@user-jy7yw5kw3w]

Some ladies just really want a wedding and a baby like some kind of checklist. They don’t really care if it’s the right time or right person. I was with one of those before, it didn’t turn out well.

[@ANIMALragemode]

Have seen this first hand. Selfishness would an understatement.

[@genxx2724]

It’s very common. Guys are blind.

[@joywebster2678]

And once this military girl has a baby there goes her income. If she doesn't have family helping her with the wedding, shes not got family to stay with your child while on deployment. I was a psychologist for the CAF, and there are so many predatory women around soldiers who then hate the life when he's on deployment. Rare to meet 2 active so,diers married and have children, doable, but requires effort. Total speculation on some of this marriage pressure is, it's her way out of the MI.itary and delaying it financially, means longer in her job. .?

[@vincentortega4284]

She is demanding an expensive wedding; dodge that bullet. let her have a wedding by herself

[@Takar100]

I had a friend that told me his girlfriend (at the time) wouldn't say yes if he proposed with less than a 2 carat ring. I told him I wouldn't have a girlfriend anymore.

[@genericusername1365]

Oh my.......She sounds awful. I hope he dumped her. If not, I can guarantee she'll dump him later in the marriage and he will then understand.

[@stevenkinney2740]

A $16k wedding can quickly become a $26k wedding when she tells the wedding planner you don't want to spend the amount she wants. Then the next thing you know they "forget" to tell you about the cost increases and you don't find out its $10k over until after the wedding. Also, don't cave to extortion. You will set the precedence and you will be extorted by her until you divorce her.

[@anthonys.8569]

16000 is a reasonably priced wedding???????????????? For who Dave you? Ridiculous price tag.

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

Like you said, crazy. Of course if you are worth 200million like Dave is, it probably is extremely reasonably priced.

[@marknewton6984]

Stupid at any price😅

[@Kroma1986]

Divorce lawyers are loving this call $$$$$

[@om617yota8]

Alright, bye. Bullet dodged.

[@LegDayLas]

"Ok, Bye" is the ONLY valid response to "or else I leave". Do not negotiate with emotional terrorists.

[@Ryan_DeWitt]

It's so funny Dave was simping again and Rachel being a woman herself saw right through this woman and called her out. Women know other women much better than any man can.

[@kbanghart]

And women put down other women very well

[@time4advancement244]

Dave thinks men in 2022 are dealing with ladies from the 1950s. He old and out of touch on this one.

[@murderofcrows7738]

@@kbanghart As women we know we aren’t all innocent and kind. Females can often be worse bullies than men.

[@ShayShayChardonnay]

I know of two women personally who got married cuz they wanted a wedding. They never meant a word of those vows; husbands were merely the means to get a party that was all about THEM, not their marriage. Both were divorced within a few years, and we all saw it coming a mile away except these poor guys who didn't realize just how easily many of these women will get married to just to gain material things and posts on socials 😒

[@ghackney9549]

I lost a lot of respect for Dave on this video. 16K is a significant amount of money for a person making 40K a year. This won't end with the wedding, this woman is going to ruin this guys life because she has no respect for him.

[@jasonrodgers9063]

RUN RUN RUN!!! Dude, RUN!! Dodge that bullet!!

[@crunchy_dad]

Marriage is the worst contract any man could enter into today. Never sign a contract where the other party is rewarded for breaking it.

[@treasurethetime2463]

Is this guy serious? She revealed herself and made this so easy for you. Do not marry this woman. Dave laid down some grown man wisdom for this young soldier. Good for him.

[@ryanmordick9736]

If I was in this situation ten years ago, I would have tried to make it work. As a 30 year old man who knows what he wants and has what he's always wanted in a partner, end it. Those types of threats will manifest in many other places in life