There Are 12 Kinds Of Roman Catholics

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[@OliveMule]

🇻🇦THERE'S ONLY 1 HOLY CATHOLIC & APOSTOLIC CHURCH🇻🇦

[@cruznature7545]

Yes indeed!!!! The Church will prevail.

[@BronxCat]

Amen!!!

[@SY-tk2eg]

💯!!!

[@williamjohnson7963]

Yeah, and it's in really rough shape. 😢

[@wilsontexas]

You can believe that but the evidence does not support your claims.

[@riverasamuel911]

My grandmother turned half my family (including my parents before i was born to protestantism) and she went to charismatic renewals and became pentecoastal at the end. But by the grace of God, my generation will amend that.

[@wreckingcrew07]

Stay strong. Never waver. Your family(and their guardian angels) are counting on you. In our own way, we are fighting our own modern day crusades.

[@isaiah3872]

This is exactly what I fear about Catholic Charismatics. I don't want to entirely discredit their hunger for God, but the focus on charismatic gifts (which, if genuine, should logically be rare since they're supernatural) seems very emotion driven. I've often wondered if the alleged manifestation of these gifts is always of God, or of the devil.

[@valwhelan3533]

@@isaiah3872 Or they could be completely human in origin (esp. speaking in tongues). Much about the brain and its workings we don't understand. I can only say that (for example) there seems to be a great difference between the speaking in real actual languages that were easily understood by the Jews (on the Day of Pentecost) versus the emotional utterances given by modern charismatics. Just my two cents

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

@@isaiah3872 Agreed. There isn’t much policy about Catholic charismatics from the Vatican…other than they are still supposed to adhere to Catholic dogma. There are many Protestant converts bringing their “laying on of hands” and prophesying into the Catholic Church. Many Catholics are just happy to have “unity” with ex-Protestant converts. The problem is…laying on of hands is only for priestly transfer/ordination. And prophesying for others should never be done. Many people are getting/sharing “messages” for others and calling it the “holy spirit.” But…only the Church has the authority to discern sprits. Like you mentioned…how can we know the message is legit let alone where it comes from.

[@theyliveyousleep8965]

@@valwhelan3533 I’ve personally seen many yoga devotees worshipping shiva…and “speaking in tongues.” This babbling is not biblical.

[@stephenmcguire7342]

No, there is only one kind of Catholic. Those who hold the doctrines taught by the Apostles, period!

[@wilsontexas]

Sorry. In 2000 years catholics have added and perverted much. The early church fathers didnt pray to Mary nor elevate her like catholics do now.

[@cw-on-yt]

All of groups believe that they fall into that category, save perhaps the Christmas-and-Easter crowd (who don't know and don't care) and the "Spirit of Vatican II" (who wouldn't say "taught by the Apostles" but would instead say something vague about the Holy Spirit). They all make that claim with various degrees of plausibility, but subjectively (by which I mean, in the mind of each person), there is no difference between them. Only _authority_ can provide an objective basis for unity. That's why _submission to the Magisterium_ of Apostolic Successors in union with the Petrine Successor is the Catholic approach, and it is distinctive in the world. All other religious groups worldwide lack an objective standard above-and-beyond the personal interpretative opinions of individual believers; but Catholics are the only human religious group that has no real freedom to "church shop" and can only, at most, "parish shop."

[@maggie_codes]

One of the prayers I have said is “please Lord restore your church to exactly what you want it to Be. I would love to see what you wanted”

[@akeilareid3195]

This video is very insightful as a Protestant leaning towards Catholicism. Although, it’s a bit upsetting to see some groups with Protestant-like mindsets in regards to the Church. It’s sad to think that the Reformation caused people to think that it’s okay to view submission to God’s one true church authority as optional. Please don’t be persuaded by pride, division, and disobedient rebellion. There are schisms all over the place on our side. Nonetheless, the Church is still more united in many ways compared to Protestant churches in its teachings/doctrines. So take heart. Remain steadfast and remember the promise of Jesus our Lord in Matthew 16:18. Much love brothers and sisters ❤️ (Edit: Please no arguing, but rather, let's encourage each other in love and holiness).

[@truecatholic1]

Don't follow any of these groups. The truth is that Francis is an antipope. The lawful pope is Pope Gregory XVIII. See tcwblog. If you, as a Protestant, are doubtful that you are worshiping God in the way that He has commanded - i.e. as a Catholic - and you refuse to become a Catholic, you will go to Hell.

[@wilsontexas]

Your trust in man made authority figures is strong.

[@Hope_Boat]

The Roman Catholic Church is united only in juridiction. Their only essential doctrine is salvation by submission to the Roman Pontiff, proclaimed in 1302 only. We orthodox are united by faith, which is the only thing that matters to God. Luke 22:24+ Kyrie eleison ☦️

[@angelocastro6394]

GG

[@RickW-HGWT]

Go to an Eastern Rite church or a traditional latin mass parish.

[@andrejgrebenc5365]

You forgot to mention the greatest majority of Catholics who follow the Church teaching are devoted to Christ and recognize VCII and celebrate the holy eucharist in their local language, read the Bible and pray some of them even daily reading the laudes.

[@cw-on-yt]

I don't think that he _did_ forget that group. He refers to them as "Conservative Novus Ordo Catholics," and describes them at about 7:03 in the video.

[@grantc9012]

I’m a conservative NO Catholic. We have a TLM in our area that I’d like to attend, but my wife likes our NO parish and won’t leave. It’s a large parish, yet when I go to confession, I hardly see anyone else there. I’ve used the opportunity to try and educate the ordinary Catholics around me on the orthodox teachings of the Church, and the level of ignorance is shocking.

[@intemir]

Same here.I have come to think that some people believe what they want to believe, they either do not care for truth orr try it water it down

[@jksandman000]

The husband is to lead the wife to truth and right worship. Love your wife enough to get her to do what is right.

[@grantc9012]

@@jksandman000 And if she doesn’t see it that way, then what? Should I force her at gunpoint? Speak for your own family.

[@traddydad1997]

Are you the head of the household or aren't you? This is an example of the doctrinal subversion going on in the NO churches.

[@traddydad1997]

​@@grantc9012 You bring yourself and your children to the parish you believe is best for their faith formation. If your wife wishes to continue usurping your authority by rebelliously attending a parish that 4 out of 5 people leave by their mid 20s, that's on her. Lead by example my friend.

[@michaeljohndennis2231]

As someone who was raised a Vatican II Catholic in the 1970’s, I converted to the traditional Catholic faith 18 years ago and I have come to realise that it has been the best decision that I ever made - back in my teens in the 1980’s, I was a leftist, I embraced all sorts of modernity and “progress” from the standpoint of ignorance, but over the years I have very gradually gained discernment and wisdom to know the real truth and this became especially important during Covid - I was the last person imaginable to have ever embraced the Catholic traditions that I had rejected in my confused and ignorant teens, yet at age 53 now, I am more convinced than ever that rejecting modernity and “progress” and totally embracing Catholic Tradition is the ONLY way forward for our world, especially for the continued survival of future generations

[@patc1309]

What mass do you attend?

[@Edward135i]

I was a fallen away Catholic until i decided to marry my wife who was rased Lutheran by her grandparents, her parents had no faith. She converted to Catholic Church, at first she didn't want to do it because of the stories she had heard about priest who had abused children, but she knew it was important to me to complete my sacraments and she became a Catholic and married me in the church under god, we now attended mass every Sunday, I thank Jesus for coming back into my live and making our marriage so meaningful, she is the one who gets me up now to go to church on Sunday and has really taken to our faith. It's honestly amazing to me to see how much joy and meaning Jesus brings to our lives.

[@steverobey4682]

I have heard the post Vatican 2 churches refered to as "Our Lady of the Pizza Hut". Just an ambo, plain altar, a chair for the Priest and Deacon, and off to the side a stark naked tabernacle.

[@d.singler-kron9034]

Don't forget the rock band's chairs, stools and music stands surrounding the altar. Oh.and microphones.

[@alswann2702]

Gay dancers, alter girls, guitars, lesbian lectors, ordinary every Sunday use of "extraordinary" Eucharistic ministers and some random fat broad opening Mass by announcing "all are welcome here" in a creepy angry challenge.

[@Hope_Boat]

Never heard similar blasphemes in the orthodox Church, and we maintain the tabernacle behind the iconostasis in the holy of holy ☦️

[@RickW-HGWT]

Look at a mass from 1965 and one from 1975 , the loss of reverence is obvious.

[@Solrac924]

of Pizza Hut?! I feel you’re giving them too much credit. At least the building at Pizza Hut points to heaven. these buildings of the parishes of the new order, they’re flat. they look like any other ordinary building. it’s more like our Lady of St. Typicals.

[@anon3937]

Great video as always!

[@robscoggins]

We look like Protestants at this point.

[@wilsontexas]

Yes, you are protesting the pope but you still won't leave your man made organization.

[@Hope_Boat]

You didn't look much better before, if you ask us orthodox ☦️. Your Church did quite a few unspeakable things not far in the past. Google Jasenovac.

[@dman7668]

​​@@Hope_BoatYes well, let's be real the Orthodox Church has fallen into schism quite a bit. Let's not get to prideful there pal. LOL

[@Hope_Boat]

@@dman7668 did you google Jasenovac?

[@randomgames4089]

@@dman7668 despite the schisms, there are really only 2 groups that fell away from the church, the "true orthodox" and the "old believers". All the other schisms, including the schism of 2018, haven't lasted for very long and were 99% of the time over non doctrinal issues, the 2018 schism had solely to do with the fact that Constantinople gave the Ukrainian Church independence and Moscow didn't like it. Even the 2 groups that left didn't leave because of doctrine, but because the literal calendar was changed and like 2 words of the Russian liturgy that had no significance were changed, whereas all the recent catholic splits have been over serious issues

[@baldwinthefourth4098]

Interesting video. Keep up the good work, sir.

[@gunslinger5132]

You are either in communion with the bishop of Rome and Catholic, or you are not and are outside the church and are not Catholic

[@gunslinger5132]

@@johnkeszei5995 you’re just a Protestant dude

[@Electric_]

You touched on it very briefly mentioning confession and mass one after another. A lot of NO’s don’t even do this. Sadly, when they try, one middle aged woman gets in line and uses the entire time block as a free psychiatry session. Or some guy confesses a mortal sin and thinks he needs to keep talking and stay in the booth for like 15 minutes to “make it count,” instead of just confessing and moving on. People at the NO rarely know how Confession is supposed to work.

[@carissstewart3211]

Be Brief Be Brutal Be Gone

[@matthewgaulke8094]

This happened to me today. It was my 3rd time doing confession and I expressed my ignorance as to what exactly was the protocol telling him I had heard confession is not a place to get "counciling" but to state what actions I had done that were sins. He was very gracious and wanted to talk about my life as if I was with a therapist. I got out and felt bad because there was a line of about 10 people waiting.

[@alswann2702]

My ICKSP apostolate has Confession before and during Mass, continuing until all are heard if it means after Mass is over. With long lines. Every Sunday. That's traditional.

[@angelocastro6394]

@@alswann2702 what is ICKSP?

[@isaiah3872]

@@alswann2702 This is *excellent* . I've only ever seen confession during Holy Mass on TV, so thank you for letting me know that it actually exists. Does your ICKSP parish priest (or others generally) offer spiritual direction within & outside of the confessional? I've read that spiritual directors don't _have_ to be priests, but if they're laymen they should preferably be more experienced members of the faith with some sound knowledge of basic theology. I don't personally know many laymen who fit that description at Novus Ordo parishes, and I'm wondering if trad parishes have any canonically sound lay spiritual directors, or hope to form people to that end. Happy Pentecost

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

Miss the simply excellent background music. Right melody, right volume, right everything. I understand it is probably property rights. Video still excellent, however. Amazing how music affects the soul.

[@dr.mofongo9001]

There is indeed something about that beautiful intro piece. Sets the tone perfectly.

[@imisschristendom5293]

Unfortunately I've run into copyright issues with that music. Not my choice not to use it

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

@@imisschristendom5293 That is what I figured. Hoping that you will find something that is not copyrighted. If not, I will keep watching the excellent videos anyway. God bless

[@moledaddy]

Imagine if a parish had even one priest taking confession a couple hours a week. Its shameful how little confession is available. And, no, confession by appointment doesn't count. Telling someone you'll heal their spiritual GSW a week from Tuesday is absurd. If you can even get ahold of the priest or someone from the office.

[@jrgills]

I would give this comment 100000 likes if I could

[@edwardwelsch5893]

Very thorough and useful summary. Thank you.

[@cutie_mia3071]

You got me there at 4:50 the ugly art😂😂😂

[@Catholicity-uw2yb]

POPE BENEDICT XV (succeeded Pius X in 1912): “In the Church there is room for divergent opinions, and it is clearly the right of everyone to express and defend his or her own opinion. But in such discussions no expressions should be used that might constitute serious breaches of charity; let each one freely defend his or her own opinion, but let it be done with due moderation, so that no one should consider himself or herself entitled to affix on those who merely do not agree with their ideas the stigma of disloyalty to faith or to discipline. It is, moreover, our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations (designations) that have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided... they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics... There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism; it is quite enough for each one to proclaim ‘Catholic is my name and Christian is my surname,’ only let them endeavor to be in reality what they call themselves.”

[@sleepystar1638]

please post document names pretty please

[@lucillebonds2196]

Christianus mihi nomen est, Catholicus vero cognomen. Christian is my name; Catholic is my surname. Christian is the one that designates me while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart....when we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name. St. Pacian Letter to Sympronian 375 A. D. Always remain close to the Roman Catholic Church because it alone can give you true peace, since, it alone possesses Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, the true Prince of Peace. (Padre Pio).

[@rubenpenunuri9544]

Thank you for the information, i had no idea there was so many "divisions" in my faith , starting to look like the other churches .

[@cruznature7545]

Well he did divide many of the groups into sub categories. Non practicing Catholics, Practicing Catholics, Catholics that left the Church, I'm sure we can divide them even more if you really wanted to.

[@dariaschooler]

Divide is a loaded term. Type might be more precise.

[@baumholderh8425]

Tbf some of the groups mentioned aren’t considered Catholic. The last one is literally a anti-pope

[@shanyeanie]

You are confused, so phatetic

[@genevieverose1234]

WOW! 4/5 LEAVE?! that's horrible

[@justintrefney1083]

From the NO church. Only 1 in 9 leave if they grow up in the TLM.

[@alswann2702]

Same stat for prods .

[@kimberHD45]

Vatican II is certainly a "mess"terpiece, one can't help but be curious how history will record it one hundred years from now, if the Lord wills us that much time. Regardless, I still believe the visible Church truly exists and the gates of hell will never destroy it. St. Augustine"s words ring truer now than ever, "the road to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops".

[@JeOrtiz1]

You forgot one category, the "Holiday Catholics" 😅. I guess my family was one of these growing up. We typically only went to mass on Christmas and Easter. And another was the "End of mass exit sprinter". My mother would have us run to the exit as the mass wasn't even completed to beat the traffic out of the church parking lot.

[@jmj5388]

He covered them under NO “Easter Christmas” Catholics at 2:15.

[@themysteriousdomainmoviepalace]

I don't quite see myself in any of those, but it was interesting.

[@lucystephanieproperties]

Yep me too.

[@stevensonrf]

Very informative.

[@KbB-kz9qp]

Cradle Catholic here. I don’t mind which mass I attend, English, Latin, or even Spanish mass. I like it when the choir knows their place and sings nice music. Otherwise they become distracting.

[@L.vegmadekid.V]

For confessions I think it depends on the priest, last time I tried to confess I was told i couldnt because I wasnt married through the church and confessing would be in vain because we're still living in sin so now me and my wife are going to start the process to get married within. To add more context I started confessing this year after being a fallen away Catholic for a long time and I never confessed being unmarried through the church but once I found out it was a mortal sin is when I confessed that last confession and is when the priest stopped me and said I couldn't confess until I fixed that.

[@debbieramsey8933]

That priest had your eternal salvation in mind. Praise God & say 3 Hail Marys for him.

[@L.vegmadekid.V]

@debbieramsey8933 yes I was grateful and happy there's still stern priests and I will.

[@isaiah3872]

I'm not going to pretend that I understand the entire dynamic of every single relationship like this, but I thank God that you and your wife have been receptive of this teaching, especially because the directive came from the confessional. I know a fair number of people - including relatives - who've never bothered to either convalidate their union or get married to their partners, and actively oppose suggestions that they should. It's particularly sad when they raise their children to be somewhat Catholic, so the kids learn the importance of the sacraments and X Church teaching but see that mom and dad don't plan to live according to these standards. Blessed be God for honest priests

[@johne.8939]

Your priest was correct about not receiving sacraments in your state of life but for your confession to be a mortal sin, you have to KNOW it is and then choose to do it anyway.

[@fritula6200]

Johne in reply: how could you not know to be living with someone and not be married in the Roman Catholic Church was not a sin ? And onto top of that go to CONFESSION receive absolution for every other sin, but the ONE MORTAL SIN OF LIVING IN SIN BY NOT BEING MARRIED: BUT NOT KNOW THAT IT WAS A MORTAL SIN: YOU WOULD NOT BE NORMAL: THIS MEANS ALL YR PREVIOUS CONFESSIONS ARE NOT VALID: NOT JUST VALID, BUT YOU COMMITTED A SIN UPON A SIN: THIS MEANS YOUR CONFESSIONS WERE SINFUL: IS IT BECAUSE OF YR IGNORANCE OF THE SACRAMENT OF MARRIAGE: I DONT BUY YR EXCUSE: NOR CAN YR IGNORANCE BE AN EXCUSE: AND not know THAT ALL LIFE IS BASED ON MARRIAGE: YOU FAIL AS A HUMAN BEING THEN: EVERY ROMAN CATHOLIC KNOWS YOU CANNOT LIVE IN SIN AND SAY I DIDN'T KNOW:

[@marktrieger1787]

great video.

[@jeffreyschmitz8375]

Very interesting video. I'm not quite sure which group I am in since I attend the TLM whenever I can but otherwise will attend a NO where our pastor does ad orientum, communion at the rail, no altar girls; credo, santus, and agnus dei in Latin; and he blows past the "handshake of peace". I give him a lot of credit for doing the best he can but since attending the TLM starting about 3 years ago I am learning more and more that it is much more than just the Mass itself. I mean like the adherence to Catholic dogma and moral teaching.

[@Thoughtworld1984]

I try, really try, to attend the NO when I can't get to the FSSP. It's never not a horrid experience.

[@priestsfortherestorationof9390]

There is only one kind of Catholic! You either believe that Jesus is the Christ and as the Christ He is God, or you do not! a COMPRIMIESED solution has to stop!

[@JamesHarrison687]

Hey Steve I am here in Phoenix, AZ and good pals with a Sacred Music group. Would like to hear some music on your intro again or background music again; it’s moving for the soul during your videos. We can keep in touch but I agree with some other comments about music really giving some ambience to your videos. Cheers.

[@adamgorski51]

Great video

[@michaelcurtis106]

Hmmm. I guess I'm an "Ordinary Catholic" according to the stated criteria. I do follow traditional channels such as this one and have done so for the last few years. It's sad but I've learned more about the faith from these channels than I learned in 8 years of Catholic school and that was a long time ago. I'm still not ready to take the leap to the TLM just yet but I am open to doing so at some point. My advice to the traditional Catholics reading this is be gentile when trying to convince Catholics like myself to come to the TLM. While you make good points about it, it can come off as sounding "holier than thou" or prideful to someone who believes that they have been doing the right things for most of their life and someone on social media tells them otherwise. It can be a difficult pill to swallow. The only reason I'm still open to the idea is that the events of the last few years have proven that we have all been lied to about many things that we thought were true both without AND within the Church. It has forced us to question EVERYTHING we are told now.

[@lucystephanieproperties]

As long as you hold on to Jesus and be obedient to the Church you should be fine. Being a trad is more of vanity at this point, especially if we don't even change ourselves and do things to reach sanctification.

[@Hope_Boat]

If you go down the rabbit hole, brother in Christ, you will find out they the entire doctrine of salvation by submission to a Roman Pontiff is based on forgeries such as the Donation of Constantine and the legend of the female pope Joan. The donation of Constantine was forged to justify the coronation of Charlemagne as emperor of the West. It allegedly transferred the imperial Insignia from Constantine the Great to the papacy10 years after his coronation Charlemagne asked saint pope Leo II to add the filioque into the creed. There was no Pontifical infallibility back then, only ecumenical councils had such power. Leo II refused and nailed two silver shields with the unaltered holy creed engraved in Greek and in Latin on the doors of his basilica with the sentence "I, Leo, did this for the sake and love of the orthodox faith." The dispute between the Carolingian dynasty and the orthodox popes of Rome was settled in 880 when the 8th ecumenical council hel in Constantinople anathematized anyone who dares to add or remove anything from the Nicene Creed. This council was accepted by saint pope of Rome John VIII but infuriated the Germans. In 882 John VIII was murdered with a war hammer. You know who uses war hammers. Rome fell in anarchy and chaos durin the so called Pornocratia (rule of the Harlot) and the Germans finally took control of the chair of Peter in 1014, imposing their popes and the filioque (during the coronation in Rome of the 'holy roman germanic' emperor Henry II on February 14 1014) self anathematizing themselves in the process. The second German pope, Leo IX claimed the imperial Insignia for himself in 1050 and constituted the Pontifical State, with a state chancellor, the infamous Humbert de Moyenmoutiers who went to Constantinople after Leo IX died, and provoked the schism of 1054. In order to nullify the Anathemas of the 8th ecumenical council, Rome defamed saint pope John VIII pretending he was a woman in drag. Later the Protestants weaponised that lie against the papacy and in 1600 John VIII was rehabilitated, but Rome still does 'ot recognize the 8th ecumenical council, or the martyrdom of saint John VIII who is a saint only within the orthodox Church.☦️

[@RickW-HGWT]

​@@lucystephaniepropertiesVanity no , we take our faith seriously and abhor liturgical abuses. I have often heard find a reverent no parish, why are they all not reverent ?. We are at the foot of the cross at mass and should behave as such.

[@Gaz4113]

It feels like holier then thou, because it is. The Church has allowed the NO it is fine to attend it, trads go too far too often in what they say about the pope and the church, including the NO.

[@Darth_Vader258]

​@@RickW-HGWT It is better to be Obedient than to Sacrifice.

[@TheCoachsCoach933]

Thanks for your opinions.

[@johns1834]

Thank you for your videos which offer a fresh and realistic view of the Catholic Church. My wife and I have recently returned to full communion with the Catholic Church. We fled the heretical episcopal church which did nothing to help us with our sin, have since obtained our annulments, I finished RCIA, and for the first time in a long long time live with the hope of salvation. Our Church is small, but we have a wonderful ‘solid’ Priest, and most of the congregation are solid as well. Thank Be To God. Keep those good videos coming.

[@user-pg5xt4bq4w]

Another banger I sure enjoy your videos

[@gabrieldm1982]

On point.

[@johndia5]

I’m gonna need some help with knowing the difference between the society of st Pius x and fraternity of St. Peter because I go to an fsp parish but there’s a sspx parish closer to my house

[@zombiekiller13able]

I fall into the "Conservative NO Catholic" branch, based on this list. I love Christ and His Church.

[@leevjr686]

"Love" is the poorest excuse for being in the new church because it means nothing without the absolute truths which can not change. Protest ants say the same thing to me all the time. You can not love who and what you do not study. N O Priests preach "love" all the time without calling attention to the only explicit justification Christ states in His own words ... see John 18:37. Deceived Catholics are not my enemies because we are all called to work out our Salvation in fear and trembling. Salvé Regina indeed.

[@zombiekiller13able]

I'm a part of the Church that Christ established, my friend. No truths have been changed, just developed.

[@trevorsrq6179]

@@leevjr686 And Seething Sedes will go to Hell. Korah’s Rebellion.

[@leevjr686]

@@zombiekiller13able The wording of Sacraments, Prayers and Mass rubrics have certainly been changed for the stated intention of making those things more familiar to protest ants. This is forbidden and I suggest you study the valid Popes who have forbidden these things in Dogmatic writings. This intention itself is not logical and has caused the opposite effect in the pews. I leave it to you to justify Bergoglio and argue that 2+2=5. A true friend is called to correct the sinner using the standards of the ancient Church which is not needing any change.

[@leevjr686]

@@trevorsrq6179 the Sede opinion is the true Catholic position which defends 'the Chair' and will restore Catholic Practice.

[@coleatt2350]

Could you please make a video covering the shroud of Turin if you haven’t already?

[@user-fu7br6sy3d]

What’s your view on sspx resistance?

[@AdrianR.374]

Which would I be considered? I go to a very traditional Roman Catholic Church. We have English and Latin High Masses, but most (including myself) go for the Latin High Mass. All are Ad Orientem. We have the traditional eucharist, confession, and indulgences. I think we use the ‘62 missal, but I don’t remember. We mention Pope Francis as our Pope. We do all the Holy Days and processions and Rosaries and similar. And only men do pretty much everything, except for women being in the choir and very rarely being lector. I’m a convert so I’m still learning everything.

[@kirkmulhearn7931]

This is a fantastic summary of current events and categories, let’s pray for the triumph of tradition and the unification of the Church!

[@Prayers_and_Porsches]

@4:05 - she could very well be one of the "nuns," that recently came out against the speech by Harrison Butker LOL

[@leevjr686]

Excellent appraisal of the confusion Catholics find themselves in today - 2024. And I can believe each category pointed out from my own experience and if fact my own painful walk back to the Church I was born into in the 1940s. The claim of being a Catholic means little without a study of how that was lived out before Vatican II, and without discovery of unbroken themes in the Papal writings leading to the early Councils of The Church. At one time I was indignant to hear Bergoglio called a heretic, but of course now the things he preaches against The Faith in an unartful way makes that plain even to the most offended. The education that began with difficulty has turned into one joyful realization after the last, and the whole thing reminds me of Gospel notions that we can only enter Heaven with the mindset of a child who questions everything with the Humility of knowing you are a child as compared to The Divine Nature, which is infinite. Thanks for posting this. ... Salvé Regina indeed.

[@notsparctacus]

Sedevacantist here. We believe the Catholic Church and the Papacy (both of Divinely protected institutions) cannot defect or promulgate error. Hence, the Vatican II sect is not the Catholic Church.

[@Belladicta]

Thank you

[@tinaorosco5960]

What happened to the great music you used to have? I really miss the music!

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

Question: What is the implication of saying that the Novus Ordo Mass is not licit? Does that mean that the SSPX group believes that it does not fulfill the Sunday obligation? I do not understand this. Appreciate the help.

[@gabrieldm1982]

A black mass ( in wich a deviated priest actually consacrate the host and wine in a valid consacration) could fulfill the sunday obligation? Its the same, but withouth the explicit or wanted intent to profanate the holy eucharisty. At least the novus ordo is doubtfull (is Valid under certains conditions not aways present) and the Church forbid assist doubtful masses.

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

@@gabrieldm1982 Thanks for the reply, but I did not understand. I am simply trying to understand what is the outcome of believing that a Mass is valid but not licit. I did a search but could not find a good explanation. Again, does it mean that it does not fulfill the Sunday obligation? If it does still fulfill the Sunday obligation, why call it not licit. What is the consequence then?

[@Q_Cooper]

The SSPX position is it fulfills the Sunday obligation, but is deficient in some ways, off the top of my head it’s be like a balanced home cooked meal vs fast food, the fast food will fill your stomach and give you energy but it’s not as healthy and can make you sick if you eat nothing else. It fulfills your Sunday obligation but certain things like the casual nature the Eucharist is handled leading to particles falling on the floor to be trampled on can scandalize you and weaken your faith, that’s why they hold it as valid but illicit. I’m far from the most knowledgeable or eloquent so I can try and clear up any other questions you have, but the SSPX has a podcast (called “SSPX podcast”), episode 25 of their crisis in the church series was titled “Should Catholics attend the Novus Ordo mass” it should give a better and more in depth answer than I can.

[@bolapromatoqueejogodecampe8718]

@@Q_Cooper Thank you. I really appreciate the explanation! I will listen to the video and also talk to a holy Traditional priest about it. I still don't quite understand why call the Novus Ordo Mass illicit (gives the impression of being illegal) instead of deficient. But that is why I am a layman and not a priest. (and not an attorney). God bless and Viva Cristo Rey!!!!

[@truecatholic1]

Novus Ordo isn't the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. It must not be attended. However, it is more than this. An essential part of attending mass is that it be in union with the pope. Given the fact of Antipope Francis even TLM in union with the same can't be attended because it is schismatic.

[@priscillatutuvanu9799]

Stick to the Latin Mass belongs to Catholics communion on the tough not in the hand pray our Rosary our weapon against the devil 🙏 have faith 🙏 jesus is the way the truth 🙏 and the life ❤❤❤the father the son and the holy spirit 🙏 ❤ 💙 keep our Catholic teaching and faith alive ❤ focus on God .God is in charge not the devil people

[@lindabrown6110]

Thank you! Now I have a group. I am a Benevacantis.

[@sleepystar1638]

francis is pope just a bad pope please dont schism k?

[@SaintAthanasius_Edits]

Conservative Norvus Ordo Gang, Faithful to the Magisterium no matter what.

[@Tradcatholicman]

If you were you wouldn’t still be there lol

[@RodrigoMera]

I'm with you, bro. I have seen this kind of Catholics are the most "constructive" in their approach to conflicts inside the Church. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God."

[@PrometheanKitchen96]

For me, I fall under the SSPXER category but before covid, I would probably consider myself in the conservative novice ordo camp and sometimes I still even go to the novice ordo from time to time because the TLM where I live is over an hour. So carpooling isn't always reliable

[@toxicharm7239]

What is an indulgence?

[@gregnorthway3814]

Variety is part of life and the same can be said for all other faiths.

[@MrJoebrooklyn1969]

Im a Conservative Catholic category. Im patiently waiting for a new Pope while tolerating this one.

[@williamkish6823]

According to the prophecy of the Pope's, this is the last pope.

[@MrJoebrooklyn1969]

@@williamkish6823 what? So we are going out with this guy? Not even one last hoorah? I just came back to the Catholic Church a year and a half ago. I'm waiting for a Trad to be proud of, like Cardinal Sarah.

[@leokim1458]

As a revert I find myself relearning things - some I never knew of - so I ask: what's the problem with holding hands?

[@RickW-HGWT]

Does it add to the reverence of the mass or is it something added for some faux unity from the 70s. Your at the foot of the cross at mass, not at a sing along.

[@jmj5388]

It is inappropriate to hold hands (e.g., during the Lord’s Prayer) while in the Eucharist Presence of Christ.

[@Gaz4113]

​@@jmj5388 why?

[@francissyiemlieh7816]

Hi IMC! Why is my comment doesn't appear in the comment section? Did you deprive my right somehow?

[@robertwaguespack9414]

It isn't just Christmas and Easter. There is also Ash Wednesday and Palm Sunday.

[@perfectlambministry777.]

I'm an eastern Catholic who has to attend the new mass due to the distance.

[@NiklasKontio-bs5zd]

14:02 addition to the sedes position the teaching of vatican 2 is opposed to tradition, (what many popes and saints have said)

[@vincentnieto7792]

What kind of Catholic are you? The creator of the video? I’m not sure if you shared your position in another video.

[@imisschristendom5293]

SSPXER/ OBEDIENT TRAD/ CONSERVATIVE NOVUS ORDO. I attend all 3. But I consider myself primarily sspxer

[@Darth_Vader258]

​@@imisschristendom5293 I'm an Obedient Norvus Ordo Catholic. I would love to attend a Traditional Latin Mass, but I can't find one in my country the Philippines 🇵🇭.

[@MikeS-vb1bs]

What is Tom vs Moeism?

[@yvonetubla7682]

thomism v molinism

[@jeffreyschmitz8375]

Also, I wonder how to categorize many Catholics that I see who attend Mass almost every day and they seem to really attached to the Novus Ordo. When our pastor or parochial vicar blow past (omit) the handshake of peace they will still take the time to look around and give others a wave or the peace sign. Also, many who during the Pater Noster will raise their hands in the oran position.

[@justinsmith6766]

You described this perfectly. It's so strange but I see this all the time. I'm a member of a diocesan parish and we are blessed to be able to offer the TLM Once a week. A beautiful high mass Missa Cantata. Very very few of the ones that attend a daily NO go to the TLM.

[@tompal154]

How about all the Old Catholic Churches that are still around like the Polish National Catholic Church that separated before V2.

[@candaceorr7517]

This is so accurate. I may be a Benevacantist. I would like to go to a Latin Mass but non available where I live, and I am not about to drive for hours to find one all alone as a widow. I put up with the Novis Ordo as it is all I can attend every week, but I do wear a veil and dress modestly. I consider myself traditional but without the Latin Mass. I also recognize there is a lot of heresy in the Church from the top down. The Easter/Christmas Catholics can be annoying. I am suspect of these other types of Catholic priests such as the SSPX. I wonder if they are valid priests. I don't know. These days the crisis we are going through in the Church is severe and I believe with some of these new documents coming out from the Vatican, they are so scandalous that Catholics don't need to obey this Pope i n everything. I hope Francis resigns soon or the Cardinals do something about him.

[@jeffreyschmitz8375]

This is a very good and informative video. I do wish, though, that less time would have been spent on the various groups of sedevacantists and more time (maybe more subdivisions) on the "Ordinary Catholics".

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

The Anglican Ordinariates technically use a form of the current Roman mass. That's why various traditional Anglican practices keep being suppressed as time goes by. To their credit, many communities are resisting well out of zeal for the faith of their fathers.

[@kiotee_nouw]

IN SUMMARY: A video by a SSPX'er clearly shows how the Catholic Church has become a Martin Luther Protestant Church within. May God help us!

[@nenabunena]

In other words sspx and sedes are just plain prots

[@intemir]

???

[@sanjivjhangiani3243]

​@@nenabunenaIf so, why has Francis said that SSPX confessions are valid? Confessions require not just valid orders, but also jurisdiction. This pope has granted that. It's really wearisome to hear "obedient" Catholics take a more hard-line stance against the SSPX than the pope that they claim loyalty to takes.

[@jeannebouwman1970]

​@@nenabunenaSedis and anti-popes are prots, SSPX straddles the line

[@peterliggett5233]

Actually in a large city like Miami you do have a choice of NO, TLM or Oriental Orthodox/ Catholic. The NO is largest for obvious reasons.

[@troyschuler186]

I guess I fit under conservative Novus Ordo Catholic.

[@lillienwaligora6082]

I'm a very fresh Catholic, and the more I try to learn, the more confused I get... I want to learn more, but it's so overwhelming, and I'm the only Catholic around, my family is New Age, my friends are Atheist, New Age or Protestant... What should I do????

[@imisschristendom5293]

Study and learn the faith. Good source is Denzinger, and ott. Also Catholic answers for basic questions. As far as Im concerned all the groups (kinds) are valid Catholics

[@Thoughtworld1984]

I've been at this for 25 years and I'm still confused. I KNOW this much; FSSP and ICK are safe.

[@lucystephanieproperties]

Don't worry, just focus on the Lord. There are many distractions out there. The devil works silently and tries to divert our beliefs in subtle ways. Just remember, the saints have 3 main qualities: 1. Obedience to God and church superiors 2. Humility 3. Love/Charity Anything that falls out of that is not of God. Take heed, always pray and communicate with the Lord. Work towards sanctification and always ask His guidance and Mama Mary's assistance too. 😉 God bless our spititual journey. 🙏

[@jmj5388]

Study the Catechism.

[@lillienwaligora6082]

@@lucystephanieproperties This really helped and encouraged me! Thank you 🙏💖

[@Rene_Lhote]

The beauty of the Catholic faith is precisely the fact that it is welcoming to all types of people. This is not something to distress about, but rather to appreciate about our faith. We do not break off and break off. Hence, numerous kinds of Catholics, all the body of Christ, all on a journey to God.

[@emmetranous9682]

The second category isn’t fair to call them V2 believers (V2 is a ecumenical council and all faithful must submit to it) instead they should be called “the spirit of V2 crowd”which is a phrase used to justified all the irrationality and sometimes heresy they profess

[@imisschristendom5293]

It's Vatican 2 TRUE believers

[@emmetranous9682]

I fully believe the 2nd Vatican council and I think nothing like the “Vatican 2 true believers”

[@TheNewCrusade]

Nice Video. But I think you missed 1 group that is the "radical Eastern Catholics" (IDK what to call them) they are (mainly) Byzantine rite-catholics who are in communion with Rome but still theologically agree with the Eastern Orthodox church such as denying the Filioque and some even go as far as saying there are only 8 ecumenical councils.

[@TheNewCrusade]

You can find them in the subreddit r/EasternCatholic

[@user-um4ir6gy6i]

Such people, if they reject councils like Trent, or if they obstinately deny any dogma, are not Catholics. This video should be called "12 kinds of people who CLAIM to be Roman Catholics".

[@rubenmartinez4346]

SSPXer here.

[@Slayer_of_demons64]

How in the hell did the vatican2 get approved???

[@rachelpops9239]

I believe Mass of The Ages documentary explains that well

[@363catman]

The pope signed off on it. Plain & simple. If someone does not understand that, they really do not know how the Catholic Church functionally works.

[@fritula6200]

If you want the TEACHINGS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH EXPLAINED, read the " APOSTOLIC FATHERS": THESE WERE THE very MEN WHO WERE TAUGHT BY THE APOSTLES THEMSELVES: These Holy men began to put the Roman Catholic Church in the world... see and learn when the Church was beginning and then the PERSECUTION started when men, women & children were slaughtered for turning their whole lives to CHRIST: RCC is the only Church to have had her converts slaughtered: Even today in the world men, women , children & throughout the centuries are being slaughtered for belonging to the RCC:

[@francissyiemlieh7816]

You are absolutely right! Until about 4-5 decades ago (if my memory isn't beguiled), here in our State of Meghalaya, N-E India), whenever in some remote areas, the Church wanted to celebrate Holy Massthe police have to be called because the POC Faith believers/Protestants or the 'POLITIANS', mainly the Presbyterians used to create troubles or even bully us. Just few decades ago one of our Priest was buried alive and the Church burnt in a place called Sakwang (SW Khasi Hills). By Divine intervention the Priest was timely rescued unharmed. Somewhere in the 70s to late 90s, even the government helps that the Church's Schools etc used to receive from the government were like crumbs discarded from the rich man's table, because the Protestants were in control of the government. I myself am being sidelined and looked with contempt not only by my kith and kin but even by my own mother and my younger siblings. Some maternal aunts called me "son of the 666" (the Pope!). Some of my college mates scoffed me that the Catholics don't believe in the Holy Spirit... Such are the countless insults I receive until now (23-March-2024). These made me more mature and stronger even than death itself. And I now know that the BIBLE MANIACS or the Leaders of Protestantism or POC Faith (Protestanization of Christianity Faith), or in my very own words, ''POLITIANITY/Politians (ie., Protestantism Politics + Polytianity Cults = POLITIANITY) use Islamic ALTAQUIYA or Religious Deception to enforce strict allegiance to their faithfuls or to win new followers. I have tried to share my experience and discovery with some apologetic KZbinrs but the ignored me, may be because I am not American but Asian. I don't really know. Time is come faster and faster when the EVILS of PROTESTANTISM/POC Faith WILL BE EXPOSED from its beautiful scarlet gown of harlotry. The LORD of Heaven and Earth, Jesus Christ is not a Maniac, He has got only one BRIDE (The ONLY ONE Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Christian Church), pre-arranged by God the Father Himself before all Eternity. But daringly, wantonly and wilfully the POC Faith's Bible Maniacs have slutfully turn The LORD Jesus into a Promiscuous Maniac who has a terrific HAREM of more than 50,000 official wives and many many more unknown concubines. Can you imagine the 'Bible Maniacs' and their 'Politians' saying: "SOLA FIDES, SOLA SCRIPTURA" and "SIN GREATLY and BELIEVE STRONGLY?" Believe me, GOD the HOLY TRINITY's Religion, Culture and Tradition is Catholicism and nothing else! There is also only ONE Religion in the whole Universe and that is Catholicism or Christianity. The rest are only Wannabes 'Hackisms,' Parasitism, Cults, Paganism, Idolatry, Atheism, Abominations, Humanism, Relativism/Democraticism, Mortalisticism (ie., worshiping another human person(s) and Satanism etc etc. Conscious and concerning Christians or Catholics should not be carried away by the Tenacity and Fluency of the BIBLE MANIACS..... I am not afraid of Islam or Hinduism or Satanism or anything. What I am afraid the most, for the KINGDOM of God on Earth, is PROTESTANTISM or POC-FAITH or POLITIANITY! Blessed be God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, in Jesus' Name (Son of Mother Mary), Amen.

[@richardditty5318]

Do the sedevavantist believe that the Eastern Orthodox bishops and priests are validly ordained? Or do they believe that since the eastern churches are in schism that their ordinations are invalid also?

[@truecatholic1]

I am not a sedevacantist, but I understand the situation of the "Orthodox." They are schismatic. They have holy orders (i.e. valid ordination), but they aren't in union with the pope.

[@beardown851]

yes even the dimonds think the eastern “orthodox” and eastern rites are still valid

[@truecatholic1]

@@beardown851The Dimonds ought not to be followed.

[@beardown851]

@@truecatholic1 agreed

[@user-um4ir6gy6i]

Sedevacantists, including the Dimonds, hold that the Eastern Orthodox clergy are validly ordained. However, one can be validly ordained and be in heresy and schism, which the Eastern Orthodox are. This is what pretty much all "trads" would hold, not just sedevacantists. Regarding those who call themselves Eastern Catholics, sedevacantists would also of course hold that their clergy are validly ordained as well. However, many of them have now sadly fallen into major heresies too.... Such as a high ranking Maronite cleric in the US, who actually said in a video interview "We're not trying to convert anyone". This is the core heresy of our time, and the Hallmark of Vatican II and post-Vatican II: "All religions are great, no one needs to convert."

[@wehavetherecipes]

I don't mind the Easter Catholics because it is good that they are there at all... but what are the odds they are in a state of grace while receiving the Eucharist? Pretty low. I like to say a prayer in reparation for them and myself just in case

[@raymondreno6025]

Should’ve mentioned the servants of the holy family…they just had an episcopal consecration

[@cyberpunkfalangist2899]

RETVRN TO TRADITION

[@trueblueclue]

We need Wojaks for this video. Also he left out the Feenyists 😞

[@navsquid32]

I’m in the “extremely based Novus Ordo but Francis doesn’t live rent-free in my head” category.

[@Gaz4113]

What does that mean? You like NO? But you think that NO catholics don't like the pope? I mean i don't get it. It's the trads that have the pope living rent free in their heads the NO catholics are getting on with getting on.

[@francissyiemlieh7816]

So, you mean to say that the Holy Father is a scoundrel and that you are more important to God than him? That's why you address him only as "Francis," not even prefixing "Pope?" Are you really Catholic/Christian and not a POC Faith believer/Protestant or a 'Politians?' I truly do not have anything personal against you, but I just feel like I am sharing in some sort of your scandalizing meanness. Forgive me if I have made you uneasy. But if you are my very own Brethren please see these things below,: 1. There's no Logic in apologetic thinking to believe that Protestantism is Christianity. Eg: Manchester City can never be sane as Manchester United. Manchester City (Biblically, the gates of Hell) will always try to score against Manchester United for sure, as to be able to snatch away even the Trophy (to hack and phish and disown even the Keys of Heaven) from MU (ie., Us, the Christians/Catholics - The Church, the Only Bride of The Only Son of God, the Mystical Body of Christ). This clearly indicates that the Protestants are NOT Christians but WANNABE PARASITES who thrive one Christianity. QED! How could it be possible for something such as "PROTESTANT-CHRISTIANS?" (There is need to distinguish the difference between the terms "Protestants" and "Protesters!" Do you believe that CATHOLICISM, say, is a Chicken Shell and CHRISTIANITY is the Egg inside it? Do you believe that Almighty Ever Living TRIUNE GOD's RELIGION, TRADITION and CULTURE (Way! Truth! Life!) is CATHOLICISM? Isn't He the God of the UNIVERSE? Could anyone deny that CATHOLIC means UNIVERSAL? 2. It is a proven fact Protestantism or 'POC Faith' (Protestanization of Christianity) or 'POLITIANITY' (Protestantism Polytianity + Protestantism Politics = POLITIANITY. QED! But Both the Church and the World are still asleep, being hypnotized by the BIBLE MANIACS of the POC Faith. 3. POC Faith Jesuses/Bible Maniacs who are known as "Man of God" or Rev. Pastors use Islamic Religious Deception or ALTAQUIYA to enforce allegiance or discipline to their faithfools/faithfuls or to win new followers.... They stand at the door to obstruct - they neither enter themselves inside (The Church) nor do they allow their followers and others to go in.... BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT OF THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL/the he god of Mammon they have invented (REFORMATION of DEFORMATION). Jesus said: No one can serve two masters..... They cannot serve both God and Mammon. This indicates that the Whole Bible (SOLA FIDES, SOLA SCRIPTURA) is a testimony/testimonial against the Protestants/Politians. Can they go to Heaven with this guilt/Crime against God straight away since they hate being purged or The PURGATORY?

[@Michael29040]

You didn't mention Eastern Catholics. Most of the trad types would go to a Divine Liturgy over a Novus Ordo Mass.

[@JamesBond-qd5rc]

What a mess!

[@mikelopez8564]

You didn’t describe my group. I know the faith, go to the Ordinary Form Mass, and humbly humbly follow my bishop, who is in union with the magisterium, which has the power to bind and loose.

[@alswann2702]

Well done. The ICKSP falls In the same category as the FSSP, having separated from the SSPX over his ordaining bishops and the resulting fear of schism. Obviously it's Rome that's been in schism since the V2 debacle. I attend the ICKSP apostolate near my home and the overwhelming sentiment there is that Lefevre should be a saint and probably already is. Personally I suspect that Seds are right that we haven't had a valid pope since Pius XII.

[@Christophoros-it1qt]

Holy Trinity Sunday: (GMT) not only 1-12 Catholics, but also for all 13-~# Apostolic Christians, "new" video! Veritatis Missio

[@EugenieKikango]

We all believe in ONE, CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH.

[@raphmarcotte7379]

As you said in the intro for some we fall in between cathegory. Me personaly i like the Vatican 2 way of thing BUT in the regard of using vernacular (french/english) for the liturgie ( so i understand what is said) and that it! No clown mass no holding hand no cookies instead of eucaristy ( i've never seen that and it a blessing cuz i'm not sure how i would react to such blasphèmy) and God forbid no rainbow mass ( this is simply demonic!!!). And no beach mass to

[@raphmarcotte7379]

Well now that i've watch the entire video i can tell i fall 95% in the conservative Novus Ordo catholics

[@cjgodley1776]

This would be even more effective and funny if you didn't sound so angry! :) (the angry-trad trope has *got to go*).

[@Jaseph2]

I was merely listening to the video, but because you didn’t read the categories, it made it less easy to follow.

[@joematties7557]

@4:25 lol

[@forehead949]

I’d guess that benevacantists are mostly TLM Catholics but I don’t personally know any

[@missbehavin8673]

SSPX 👍

[@SaintAthanasius_Edits]

Illicit and NOT in communion with Rome.

[@sanjivjhangiani3243]

​@@SaintAthanasius_EditsActually, the SSPX has a rather complicated relationship with Rome. For example, Pope Francis has granted jurisdiction to the SSPX to hear confessions.

[@beardown851]

@@SaintAthanasius_Editslies they ARE in communion in rome

[@Gio-ce8ob]

I fall into the conservative Novus Ordo Catholic category by your standards. I was raised in it and while I prefer we had a traditional Latin Mass at least once a day at every church, the Novus Ordo mass (not the insane ones, I hate those) is largely preferred by my family & friends. I am turning them onto the old school though. Gregorian chant gets them every time 😂

[@rachelpops9239]

Im a little perplexed about charismatic movement in the Church. Ive heard of conservative Catholics like Jesse Romero, Gabriel from Gabisfterhours, and even Mother Angelica having profound experiences through it.

[@Thoughtworld1984]

I heard Father Ripperger staunchly warn against it.

[@lucystephanieproperties]

It really depends on each of us whichever works to bring us closer to the Lord.

[@jmj5388]

@@Thoughtworld1984Fr. Ripperger is also opposed to Medjugorje. Contrast him with Fr. James Blount-also an exorcist-who is charismatic and a believer/supporter of Medjugorje.

[@jmj5388]

A s a conservative NO who had no intentions of getting involved in the Charismatic Renewal, I fell into it almost 20 years ago. It adds another, welcome and needed dimension to my Faith. I do not know how I would have gotten through the last two decades without the Renewal and the wonderful, on-fire Catholics I have met along the way.