There Be DRAGONS!

[@mihaimorar2043]

So funny thing: A cat purring doesn't necessarily mean they're enjoying themselves. They can purr for a variety of reasons, including comforting themselves and others. So if your cats purr when you get hurt, they're probably trying to comfort you, not revelling in your torment.

[@ladeao1552]

Let's be honest, it's probably a little of both.

[@greendragon4026]

19:25 Actually, the reason cats purr when you get hurt is because purring is meant to make you feel better and speed up your healing process.

[@IONATVS]

yeah, the misconception that purr ALWAYS = happy causes lots of problems. It is a COMFORTING sound, used to say “I am comfortable/happy,” but also “I am fighting through the pain,” “Please feel better soon…”, and “Don’t worry, I’m here to protect you.”

[@Dusxio]

Airier proving Red's equation of misunderstood and cats right XD

[@leeshajoi]

I'm convinced that Red made this Trope Talk as an excuse to draw a bunch of sick-ass dragons, and I have no complaints about that whatsoever.

[@Airier]

Agreed. 😁

[@jjohnson2445]

​@@Airier I love wings of fire

[@Portal2Fan1234]

​@@jjohnson2445ye

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

29:31. The 8-headed snake that like booze she mentioned is the Yamata no Orochi, Suzano killed it after getting it drunk

[@Skywolfhd20]

27:46 that's what toothless looks like in the how to train your dragon books, the movies basically just took the names from the books and little else

[@grimm_satisfaction1292]

And if memory serves, HTTYD is one of the rare instances where an author likes the changes made by the adaptations. 🤔

[@geoshark12]

19:20 that is them trying to help you heal faster , apparently with the frequency at which cats purr it somehow helps the healing process along

[@raquelalejandrapatinoojeda8334]

It should also be noted that the idea that cats only purr when they are happy is a rather dangerous misconception. They can also purr when they are in pain or when they are anxious.

[@HBHaga]

Red talks a bit about the 'ascending dragon' you mentioned in her Trope Talks on Sidekicks and Minions. This video was similar in many respects to her Trope Talk on Kaiju, in that they are also creatures with no fixed description and some of them (the daikaiju) can be freaking enormous.

[@matthewdougherty1159]

8:42 depending on the subspecies of dragon and the local legend you have some that spray boiling water, venom, acid, fire, water jets like a pressure washer that can strip flesh from bone just to name a few lol

[@viktormadzov5286]

9:36 From what I could tell, the Yellow emporor was the mythical figure that started the line of earthly emporors in anchant china. He is reveared as a deaty and guardian spirit, and could be considered as the earthy counterpart of the Jade emporor and symbolic of the whole position of the chinise empiror as a concept that is filled in terms by different mortals and dynasties

[@shocker2799]

27:59 The story you’re having trouble pinning down is the original How to Train Your Dragon books by Cressida Cowell. Yep. Toothless was less of a big panther and more of a tiny spoiled cat in the books. (They had a language too, but that’s a rabbit hole for later)

[@FubukiTheIcyKing]

I like that humanity collectively agreed dragons are cool. I do wish more games let you raise or play as a dragon.

[@MusicFan752]

I think the meaning of dragon being "one who stares" can kind of make sense depending on the context. On one hand it can mean something we stare that in either fear or awe, on the other hand can mean something that stares at us but when we try to stare back we blink, indicating a being we fear or get intimidated by.

[@Ilikecatsismychannelname]

the word 'drakon' also probably referred to snakes because there are a number of snakes indigenous to the Greek peninsula and Anatolia. Snakes don't have eyelids, so they can be thought of as 'staring' eternally.

[@MusicFan752]

@@Ilikecatsismychannelname ooooohhh that’s definitely good.

[@wildcardjoey4776]

Huitzilopochtli's dragon weapon isn't actually used for blunt force. It's an atlatl, so he throws war darts with it, although in this case the war darts are probably fire.

[@leeshajoi]

So it's not a dragon club, it's a dragon *gun.* A dragun, if you will.

[@TheMageOfVoid]

@@leeshajoi You mean Dragoon?

[@kylajensen1957]

Yu-Gi-Oh had a lot of weird esoteric dragons: two out of three Egyptian God Cards are dragons (Slifer/Osiris being a giant snakey THING with a mouth on its forehead and Ra being a giant mechanical bird with phoenix motifs), Different Dimension Dragon which is a plesiosaur thing, Parrot Dragon, a bat-winged parrot, Blue-Eyes White Dragon who is the reincarnation of an ancient Egyptian woman who died for her lover, etc.

[@SCP.343]

Nah, the trope of storm god versus serpent is possibly because of the fact that ancient people associated rain with snakes. It's possible that ancient people connected snakes with rain due to the fact that snakes seem to become active around the time that the rainy season returns. Also, a lot of cultures connect snakes with water.

[@geraldgrenier8132]

Anne McCaffery is the first woman win to either a Hugo and/or a Nebula award, and one of her books was the first science fiction book to appear on the new York Times best seller list. And the 22nd Grandmaster by the Scince Fiction and Fantasty Writers of America

[@geraldgrenier8132]

Almost forgot, her Ship who Sang series are some of the foundational work of the Transhumanism sub genre

[@TheArcSet]

@@geraldgrenier8132 Oh yes, I've always meant to track down the other parts of that series. She's a truly prolific and varied writer, but with a quite a signature style.

[@Jacen32272]

29:30 Yamato No Orochi was an 8 headed serpent that died while drunk, because while sober even a God couldn't take it out safely. Grasscutter was found in his tail. Red covered that story; look into more of her mythology videos to get the full story. Edit: Oh, wait, you DID watch that one. Remember the one with "Susan"? 31:50 I remember in the early days of Magic the Gathering, when a player let a Dragon Whelp through unopposed, thinking it could only add +3 to it's attack. Cue reaction when 15 red mana was tapped for the attack, and everyone watching realized the Whelp didn't die until after doing the damage. From that day forth, we called them Hand Grenades, and prioritized blocking the suckers.

[@dansattah]

One dragon I remember very fondly is Frau Mahlzahn (Ms. Molar) from the Jim Knopf (Jim Button) franchise. After her defeat at the hands of Jim Knopf, Lukas the locomotive operator, and their locomotive "Emma", she thanks them for defeating her without killing her and transforms into a Golden Dragon of Wisdom. She essentially becomes an oracle.

[@Justic_]

One of my favorite tv-shows as a kid... although I sadly missed quite a few episodes, including the one you mentioned.

[@timelordacaelus5959]

29:46 Yamata no Orochi. The Japanese "hydra" that fought Susano. Susano's final plan to beat Orochi was to lure each head into a trap with 8 giant vessels of sake as bait. Orochi gets his heads stuck in the trap and Susano just lops them all off one by one. 30:49 Look up the remastered Spyro games, one of the dragon elders is literally a barista dragon with tattoos and a mustache.

[@dwaynejackson551]

Makes a spider dragon that breathes spiders as a breath weapon and is just the product of a bigger spider dragons breath weapon.

[@anneliesehenderson9991]

Considering the "draconic curse" story archetype, I think Elden Ring has a pretty good version of that. In the game, when you kill a dragon, you get the dragon's heart. Afterwards, you can exchange the hearts at the Chapel of Dragon Communion to get special dragon incantations, such as fire breath, frost breath, etc. From a lore perspective, what we find out via item descriptions (thanks Fromsoft) is that those who indulge in too much Dragon Communion eventually become draconic themselves - gameplay wise, when you exchange enough hearts, you get sick dragon eyes - but lore wise, you find they turn into magma wyrms - malformed, flightless dragons that spit magma. This reflects the draconic curse - both the greed and transformation. Those who become greedy for power and slay too many dragons become dragons themself.

[@eddieshipman5895]

Yeah dragon at this point feels like a catch all term for something that is a really big reptile of some kind

[@matthewdougherty1159]

4:28 no dragon is the catch all term for most of the stories and legends given it is mostly written down by European historians now when you get to the local legends that is where the fun starts

[@joegiles7785]

Yamato no Orochi was the drunk. Susanoo was wandering after Amaterasu kicked him out of heaven (this is after she spent time traumatized in a cave and needed a Goddess to strip tease to get her out) and found a farmer whose daughters were being eaten by a eight-headed eight-tail snake. There was only the rice paddy princess (Kushinada) left and Susanoo fell hard when he saw her. The solution - Susanoo hid her as a comb then got the snake drunk on eight barrels of sake. Then while the snake-dragon was drunk, he sliced off the heads. When he was cutting up the tail, he found a sword Ame-no-Murakumo-no-Tsurugi in the tail flesh. He gave it to Amaterasu as a "forgive me" gift and she gave it to her descendant Jimmu. It was so sharp it could extinguish a burning field by cutting off the burning tips of the grass - earning it's other name Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi ("Grass-Cutting Sword"). It's one the three regalia of Japan, along with the mirror used with the stripping to get Amaterasu out of her cave.

[@jvts8916]

I think Red accidentally said eight-legged when she meant eight-headed. Orochi famously got drunk in his legend to be weakened and slain.

[@notagreen-fiend9029]

29:31 Red *_did_*_ clearly say 'eight-Headed,'_ actually. The mistake was the hearing of *@Airier* , lol. How quiet is his 🎧.....😅or how loud is his train-of-thought?

[@LarsisLP]

18:30 it is Final Fantasy XIV. It's a flashback to when we first hear the story of Shiva and Hraesvelgr

[@owl9190]

This always reminds me of monster hunter where specifically an elder dragon is just "wow that shit is powerful and we cant classify it hummmm... Elder dragon", everything is like hey its basically a t-rex so brute wyvern, its a big scalie wolf its a fanged wyvern and so on.

[@CephalonF]

My personal take on storm god VS dragon formula being so common is that well, ofc, it's a very old idea and that possibly sound of the storm was interpreted as the dragon's roar. Best part is that makes for incredible scene setting, it's one thing to use the generic t-rex roaring thing we just kinda decided applies to dragons and instead booting up thunder sounds to show how terrifying and magical the damned lizard is

[@mikukurisaki3413]

'Welcome to the Dragon's Drink' the sign outside states boldly... you walk in and are greeted by the usual tavern bustle. The room seems so otherwise normal you double-take when you realize there is a full grown dragon behind the bar... half-way through a hole in the wall. If you step outside, you'll just see the outside of said tavern, no dragon rear in sight... either way, one thought crosses your mind: gods, sorcerers are weird.

[@CPPpotkustartti]

Speaking of categories like Dragon: Fae, Fairy, Fay and names like that could also be considered as category of where Fairies, Gnomes and Goblins used to be put during Medieval times. As long it was smaller, magical being that seemed like otherworldly and wasn't fond of Iron, those beings could be put into that category.

[@Fantasy_dvd]

25:00 Actually yes. The first Godzilla movie came out in 1954. Professor Tolkien was 62 at the time. Because he died in 1970, he could also have seen the Gozilla movie "all monsters attack" that came into the theatres in 1969. This means that tolkien might have seen up to 10 different Godzilla movies in his lifetime. (If he was interested in watching them is in my eyes a whole other thing entirely) Also, english isn't my first language. So please excuse any errors in spelling and grammar.

[@RukaKikuchi]

13:48 This is literally how I built my homebrew fantasy TRPG world; the major gods of my world are dragons who were created by the primordial gods of order and chaos, who are also dragons. Why, you may ask? I wanted my players to be a team of dragon-themed Power Rangers.

[@christosgiannopoulos828]

Back when dnd memes were popular I remember reading a meme abt a homebrew spider dragon. It was basically a mix of black dragon and spider that instead of acid it could breathe spiders. Not spider web, spiders. I loved the idea then and I love it still

[@ImaginatorJoren]

By this definition Red presents, dinosaurs are dragons.

[@bussing666]

So fun fact the first Godzilla movie came out in 54 and Tolkien died in 73 so it's possible he could have watched it

[@matthewdougherty1159]

11:05 if you want this type of thing "Dragonology the complete book of dragons from candlewick press" and yes it is a lot lol

[@greenhydra10]

I was actually going to recommend this one when I saw you start doing the Trope Talks, so instead I'll recommend the video on kaiju. Although considering my track record with OSP videos there's a 50% chance you have already...

[@matthewdougherty1159]

10:30 yes Yamata no Orochi is what you would call a Hydra type of serpent dragon with the multi head thing going on lol

[@leebulger7112]

In One Piece there's a Mythical Zoan Orochi Fruit it's full name is the Snake Snake Fruit Model Yamata no Orochi so it's classified as a snake fruit rather than a dragon fruit.

[@zaraklani]

OMG I read all the Pern novels in middle school and high school (I graduated in 1999). I absolutely loved the world McCaffery made. But I really hope you find a few of them and get a chance to read ❤

[@TheArcSet]

Definitely! She was an amazing prolific writer and the Pern setting is a wonderfully deep.

[@matthewdougherty1159]

1:50 that one sounds like the tarrasque french mythology

[@Airier]

Yup. Just forgot the word tarrasque for a bit. 😅

[@longc35]

Dragonriders of Pern is great and available on audible if you can’t find it in your local library.

[@Ve-om7lf]

I am once more asking for someone to make a good shadowrun rule book, because now I have the idea for a run where a dragon hires your crew to retrieve a rare funko pop to complete his horde.

[@omargoodman2999]

I'm pretty sure it's well established that the most important quality for a dragon to have is *Majesty.* _Consummate V's, I said _*_consummate!_*_ Guy wouldn't know majesty if it came up and _*_bit him_*

[@CommissarMitch]

JoCat's "Heart of Elynti", which is still going on in the playlist, play with dragons a lot and makes some of the coolest designs I have ever seen. I will not spoil it but every time a dragon shows up it is fully unique and never how Dragons are traditionally visualised.

[@DDlambchop43]

and Red in involved in it IIRC.

[@TheArcSet]

Thanks for this. I *really* recommend the Pern series. If you're going in blind I won't spoil anything, but along with dragon's being ridden, it's probably somewhat responsible for the prevalence of another big trope, I will only describe as, the _"False Fantasy"._ A trope I hope she'll cover one day, but which Pern takes in an unusual direction.

[@CoffeeAcorn]

I wonder if the Aboriginal rainbow serpent is also in Tasmanian myth since that island split off multiple thousands of years ago

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

Most dragon in Chinese myth are good & wise but there are exceptions, for example: In Investiture of the Gods, the 3rd dragon prince tried to kidnap a girl(and do unsavoring things to her)-> got killed by the hero Nezha(though cooking the dragon prince's tendon is a bit much) then the 4 Dragon Kings demanded Nezha to off himself or they will drown his home city. And he did(by removing his flesh from his bone piece by piece). A year later he is revived, after going through a lot of trouble & drama(for example he his clay body got broken by his dad so he switched to a lotus body)

[@canisrufusuk]

JRR Tolkien died in 1973, the first Godzilla movie was released in Japan in 1954 and in modified form in the west in 1956. By the time he dies there would have been 13 or 14 Godzilla movies, so it seems likely he'd be aware of Godzilla as a thing. Though it's doubtful he ever saw any of them since he had...views... on things like TV and movies. Suposedly he never owned a TV set.

[@gokbay3057]

13 Godzilla movies, though the last one only in Japan (it was exported to the US in 1976)

[@shadowrealm4206]

So the yellow emperor is specifically part of the five elements and the auspicious beasts that rule them along with a cardinal direction. The white tiger rules metal, the vermilion bird ruled fire, the azure dragon ruled wood and the black tortoise ruled water. At the center of the cardinal directions was the golden dragon who ruled earth. Most Chinese cultivation novels will mention the first four and very rarely will mention the yellow emperor/ gold dragon simple because he is so much more powerful

[@FubukiTheIcyKing]

The funny thing is I've learned about this before because of Digimon.

[@Fantasy_dvd]

12:30 I am not sure because most of my Tolkien knowleadge comes from Tolkien nerds and tolkien nerd KZbinrs trying to convince me to read Tolkiens writings (it is very much working, I am just a slow reader) but I personally pronounce him: En-cal-la-gon ('gon' not 'goon')

[@matthewdougherty1159]

just my theory from most dragon myths i have read and researched most are bones from dinosaurs that were found by the local peoples and just reassembled wrong or were still living dinosaurs that we hunted into extinction and are just a left over tribal memory/legend that got distorted over time.

[@TheEmperorGulcasa]

I think it is more similar to the chimera in many cases. Where people mashed up cool/powerful traits. Greeks, for example, had lots of blender creatures with no real origin.

[@ShahroozSmith]

There is a dragon in Zoroastrianism by the name Aži Dahāka from an ancient scripture named the Avesta, but later in 1000 A.D. (or C.E.) a Persian poet by the name Ferdowsi wrote another version of Dahāka as Zahhak the Serpent King. Changing them from a supernatural monster into an evil figure with snakes for shoulders, and even Red did a video about him. Dahāka (and by lesser extent Zahhak) has been featured in other modern mediums like in the novelization for God of War II, the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, Starcraft II (with a character by name Dehaka), Homestuck, Highschool DxD, Azdaha from Genshin Impact, _That Time I got Reincarnated as a Slime,_ and yes... even *Fate/Grand Order.*

[@CGomm-le7gv]

7:17 that from the Jason film i told you about 8:42 according to the cg Beowulf the dragon his son 10:02 don't know how fateful it was but there a 79 journey to the west tv show called monkey 14:13 that from neverending story 34:02 look it up yep there a spider dragon in 2nd edition dungeons and dragons wiki

[@marcosrauth2234]

28:30 that's not a mustache. That's teeth.

[@LordHypertronUniversum]

no there was a mustache, look higher.

[@VOIDoftheZUN89]

30:40 closest thing that i can think of is restaurant in another world were one of the primordial dragons of a fantasy world becomes a waitress at the restaurant & another dragon is a regular

[@Airier]

Ooh, that's a good one. Forgot about that show. 😮

[@jungletherainwing1471]

2:30 The Tanakh is the larger hebrew bible (Torah, Writings, and Prophets I think) and Leviathan, Behemoth, and Ziz (no one ever remembers Ziz but he’s so cool) appear in it as primordial beasts. I can see Leviathan and Ziz being dragons but Behemoth is an admittedly weird choice

[@Samuscoffee]

Fair warning about the detail diatribe videos: they range from just under 1 to 2 hours. They’re very good but also long

[@BlackoutArtz]

This was a super fun reaction! I laughed when you brought up the potential horror of spider-themed dragons. I’m currently working on a novel where dragons are the protagonists and fill the role of humans in their world (humans never existed there), kinda similar to the book series “Wings of Fire.” All of their designs are based on various arthropods (like insects, crustaceans, and arachnids to name a few.) So, yes, I have created spider dragons and I’m not sorry :)

[@robd9413]

Nearest I've seen to a barkeep dragon would be a servant dragon, such as Zifnab's dragon "man" servant in the Death Gate Cycle. I don't think we ever learn its name - maybe, its been a while since I last read them - but it is revealed that his butler/guide is a giant silver dragon in the latter books.

[@neogokiMK00]

25:00 first Godzilla came out in 1954, not sure when it reached the west

[@DDlambchop43]

I think '56 as Godzilla King of the MOnsters; Red covered the godzi history too, under Kaiju

[@7Seraphem7]

As much as I love MLP, and that show is likely responsible for the more widespread use of the term Alicorn, that isn't where it came from. It's something the fans started using for the Princesses long before the writers adopted the term. The term comes from Piers Anthony's Xanth series. And is just a portmanteau of the French words for Wing (Aile) and Horn (Corne).

[@ghrondindustries5136]

30:40 one of my favorite fanfics I ever read was called True Bartender Dragon, and it is indeed about a dragon (disguised as a human) running a bar. Unfortunately it hasn't updated in years and left off on a cliffhanger.

[@CGomm-le7gv]

Something else you may like the summoning animated by candy-cain-art and the trail to oregon out of context animated by noofly poofly

[@viktormadzov5286]

21:40 You know, I was preaty confused for a while why the Fell beasts were not considered dragons. But that is when I really sow there original description in the book. " It was a winged creature: if bird, then greater than all other birds, and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear, and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers; and it stank. A creature of an older world maybe it was, whose kind, lingering beneath forgotten mountains cold beneath the Moon outstayed their day, and in hideous eyrie bread this last untimely brood, apt for evil. And the dark took it, and nursed it with fell meats, until it grew beyond the measure of all other things that fly…" So this has some interesting inplications, especially when combined with Tolkeins own admition that he based them on Pterodactils. Rather then a smaller bread of dragons, the original fell beasts were more like primordial animals, remnents of an " older world" that were on the verge of extinction, until Sauron discovered them, and over god knows how many years made there kind way bigger, scarier and more melevelent then the already big scary dino birds they originaly were. My personal theory right now was that they might have been a part of an initial draft of animal creation from back in the oldest period of Arda, one that eather didnt go well, or that Melkore managed to somehow screw up while he was still a major newsence to the Valar

[@waynemarshall1476]

Speaking of dnd making one creature into many, the names goblin, orc, and kobold, were all different languages term for the same creature. Also, trolls and ogres and giants are basically the same. And Dwarves were a version of elves. And they used to have their underground realm lit up until Freya slept with them all to convince them to give her the shining stone that lit up their realm, to make herself a pretty necklace. Afterwards they were in the dark, and became the dark elves. Tolkien took some liberties, and DnD (which based itself on tolkien) took those liberties further. E erywhere from sea serpents to winged snakes, to hydras, dragon turtles, apocalyptic beasts and lung dragons fit. One could very reasonably put Godzilla in the dragon category

[@MsFlyingSnake]

She has a video about the mythological Tarrasque.

[@ericfelipe4198]

A thing about the differentiation of monsters because of d&d is that its a lot more common that you think. As an example the original Monster Manual for the 5th edition had a buch of creatures with petrification powers, but what did they do? The Medusa is a type of monster not a single being, the gorgon (wich is what the Medusa is) became a metal bull with a petrification breath, the cockatrice is just an evil looking chicken (no snake part) and the basilisk (wich is another chicken/snake chimera with petrification powers) is just a generic monster with petrification eyes like the medusa. So yeah, d&d fucked up a lot of visuals for mythological monsters.

[@otaku-sempai2197]

The original Godzilla movie, Gojira, came out in 1954, the same year as Tolkien's The Fellowship of the Ring and The Two Towers. Yes, the movie really is that old!

[@dragusflaveir4945]

There is a spider dragon. It's called a Spider Drake, it was published by Kobold Press for their Tome of Beast series

[@susanruan3663]

Anne McCaffrey also introduced small dragons in another Pern series Harpers Hall Trilogy. Dragons the size of housecats and telepathically bonded to humans. But they weren't called dragons in story, but 'fire lizards'. Later if you continue reading more Pern novels, you find out that the little dragons are the rootstock of the big ones who were genetically manipulated for larger size because humans wanted to ride them.

[@colt1903]

"I'm not looking up whether there is a spider dragon" ... I mean, not a Spider, but isn't Vortigern in FGO capable of spawning an endless army of deadly insects? The very little I've read of it mentioned insects. Also, iirc, ORT is literally just... Super Alien Spider That Ends The World, or something.😂

[@hendeyjagger7489]

A curse can be a good thing. Can give you the power to turn into a bird.

[@WolfieOo]

Anne McCaffery's books are really good. You should try to find reprints or even just the OGs. The base story of the series is post apocalyptic like as humans had to leave the earth for whatever reason and learn how to live on a new planet. Again, sounds like sci-fi right? but sooooo many fantasy tropes and features. Real fun.

[@MarMonkey2606]

funny that they actually mentioned a Huītzilōpōchtli, I've heard the name before and they weren't associated with the sun, they were a god of death, blood, and war. I heard about them from an audio book called Jake's magical market and in that they were a giant blood red serpentine God of death and violence. Also Airier, Dragons and Hydras have always been at least distantly related because hydras have usually been described as multi headed monstrosity with draconic heads at the end of each of their many necks, sometimes it's serpentine heads, sometimes the heads are those of an eel, another thing that will almost always link hydras and dragons is their possession of thick armored scales or at the very least thick armor like hide. Another connection between dragons and hydras is their extremely potent and thick blood, in the case of true dragons, their blood is a powerful additive to any potion, that turns even a simple healing draft into an elixir of life, whilst hydras went all in on the toxicity trait, turning their blood into a highly potent and toxic, corrosive poison.

[@blueteller]

"Adoriffying" should be a word in the dictionary, I love it

[@TamyTPK]

Dude Tolkien died 19 years (1973) after godzila was relesed (1954) its very much posible for him to have watched it😅

[@Airier]

Woah. 😮 For some reason, I thought he died much earlier.

[@gokbay3057]

13 Godzilla movies including the original was released in his lifetime. It is likely that he had heard of Godzilla, it is less likely that he watched it though very much possible.

[@patriciusthehumanfighter3642]

Dragon: History's Oldest Wastebasket Taxon.

[@snforde4603]

You know, in the anime series Slayers, there are actually multiple VERY different types of dragons. the gods are draconic beings who oppose Mazoku (basically demons). There are also more conventional d&d style dragons who, while not gods themselves, serve the gods, have human level intelligence or higher, and can shapeshift from dragon forms to human forms. Finally there are dragons who are basically animals that, while huge, destructive, and sometimes fire breathing, can be kept as pets or even eaten (there's an entire episode where the plot is the cast trying to catch a dragon so they can eat it). So yeah, Slayers hits a lot of bases in terms of dragons. If you haven't watched it, give it a try.

[@BrendanKOD]

Don't know if you follow, but Tier Zoo recently did a breakdown of the Housecat.

[@Crazael]

3:29 There's a lot of overlap between "giant/monster snake" and "dragon". 4:24 No. It basically became a generic term for "large and monstrous creature", particularly in English and especially if that creature is at all snake-like.

[@owenshaw979]

Dragonriders of Pern is an excellent series

[@matthewdougherty1159]

21:55 Wyvern bat-like wings 2 legs

[@MusicFan752]

If youre wanting to see extremely different dragon designs from the norm, play legend of dragoon and see the dragons from that game, they are bizzare and different to say the least.

[@MarMonkey2606]

30:37 that's literally just Glint, the legendary brass barkeeper dragon from D&D. You can find him in the Game Master's Book of Legendary Dragons. 34:00 I'm sorry to tell you dude, but there is such a thing as a spider dragon in D&D, it's just as horrible of an abomination as you would expect and I beg you not to look it up. It will haunt your nightmares.

[@Mare_Man]

24:53 Tolkien died in 1973, so he theoretically _could_ have seen: Godzilla (1954) Godzilla Raids Again (1955) King Kong vs. Godzilla (1963) Mothra vs. Godzilla (1964) Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster (1964) Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965) Ebirah, Horror of the Deep (1966) Son of Godzilla (1967) Destroy All Monsters (1968) All Monsters Attack (1969) Godzilla vs. Hedorah (1971) Godilla vs. Gigan (1972) Godzilla vs. Megalon (1973) It's pretty unlikely though, since the international release dates are different

[@ReinaSaurus]

venom dragon. because snakes are a thing

[@linkolek]

And we keep these little murderballs as pets. WHAT DOES IT SAYS ABOUT US, I ASK?!?!?!

[@tadeolaguarda6965]

Dragón is a catch all term, t Most creatyre we can refer to as dragons weren't refer as such by the people that Made up their storys, it is more of a label under which we put them on modern day because it feels nice

[@gameotaku3770]

Gold Digger OVA: Britney: Is that a dragon? Gina: Yes that is a dragon…….drinking a hot…..cup of tea?!

[@Skywolfhd20]

20:36 ish, i don't remember if you've done a reaction to it yet or not, but red HAS done a video on the terrasque

[@matthewdougherty1159]

oh boy🤯 i get to dig out all the books i have on dragons for this video 🤓🧐braking up the post it as it is most likely going to be big wall of text sorry. lol edit sadly most of my books were burned/destroyed by overly religious family growing up over time if you want a good reference book "Dragon a natural history by Dr. Karl Shuker" has a lot of legends and stories from all over the world about dragons and a good one to start with.

[@matthewdougherty1159]

2:05 surprising dnd had the right idea about Tiamat lol

[@phecto]

The original Godzilla came out almost 20 years before Tolkien died, but I'd say chances he saw it are still pretty low

[@ghrondindustries5136]

I'm working on an animist fantasy setting. In that, Dragons are literally spirits of Power. Just the idea of Power. If you want a medieval dragon, take Pride and add sky, stone, and fire. If you want an asian Lung, take Rulership or Wisdom and put it in the sky or sea. If you want a Nordic wyrm, give it greed, hate, and poison. What matters, is it is a semi-corporeal spirit that represents some aspect of fundamental Power.

[@MrEmo_69]

I LOVE DRAGONS this is great

[@Fedraco]

I named my Bearded dragon Fafnir

[@Blahblah97555]

11:53 That is NOT what Detail Diatribe is. That sort of content is primarily handled in the god videos, the myth videos that broadly cover a source, or Blue’s “History Makers” videos (when the subject is a specific storyteller). Detail Diatribe goes into detail on how a specific work interacts with a specific space of tropes and techniques. They might talk about sources of inspiration or a bit about the history of the trope, but they rarely go deep into the historical development of myths or broader concepts like dragons in the way you’re describing.

[@gokbay3057]

Yup, detail diatribes are looking into a singular topic in detail not covering the entire development/history of something the way individual god videos are. Maybe he needs to finally watch a detail diatribe to be disabused of the notion?

[@matthewdougherty1159]

15:35 dragon curse stories "the bride of the lindorm king" and "Siegfried" are two notable stories i can remember. edit ha called it 😁

[@RukaKikuchi]

And OSP covered the Lindwurm story too!

[@Scream_Lord]

Even in D&D the Hydra are related to Dragons.

[@legitimatemedicine]

There is no universal concept of a dragon, so the only qualifier that matters is "does this story give off dragon vibes"