There's an argument for Kyrie Irving being top 75 in the NBA - Broussard | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST

Kyrie Irving of the Brooklyn Nets was one of the players left off of the NBA's 75th Anniversary Team. Chris Broussard and Nick Wright speculate on the reasons why Kyrie could have been left off the list, and decide whether it's egregious that he was left out.
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There's an argument for Kyrie Irving being top 75 in the NBA - Broussard | NBA | FIRST THINGS FIRST
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[@mikepanton]

Nick has been slaying it with his takes on this top 75 list with Kyrie and Dwight

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

He was dead wrong about Reggie Miller. WAY too much emphasis on All-NBA teams and completely ignoring that he was the best player on a moderately talented Pacers team that consistently were near the top of the Easter Conference for several years, made it to the Finals, and darn near beat Jordan's Bulls. The writers in the 90s simply didn't know what they were watching. That's why he didn't have more accolades.

[@bryanfoster326]

@@JonSmith-hk1bq yeah, but he was more the best player on a very good team, it’s kinda like richard Hamilton on that pistons (I’d say reggie is better but same situation). I don’t know what nick’s take is on it, but people either wildly underrate or overrate reggie Miller.

[@TyBeTroLLing]

@@JonSmith-hk1bq Reggie Miller not too 75

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

@@TyBeTroLLing Arguably. But not for the reasons Nick said.

[@bryanfoster326]

@@JonSmith-hk1bq I think there’s some pretty strong arguments behind it, but everyone either wildly overrates or underrates the guy. So it’s kinda tough to objectively talk about him

[@davidyang1160]

beethoven producing edm tracks had me rolling LMAO I love wildes

[@BurgBoy7]

There’s no valid excuse for Dwight not to be there.

[@HeeyOk]

Dude made one shot over 5 years ago and all of a sudden he’s one of the most clutch player 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Marcus-XXL]

He always makes shots like those so it’s overlooked. And yes that’s one of the most iconic moments because he basically changed history and lebrons legacy wouldn’t be what it is today he wouldn’t be compared to jordan anymore. And kyrie was only 24 and was debated to be top 2 point guards in the nba and it went back and forth between him and curry for the past 2-3 years. And after that finals the way he was playing and accomplished so young he was projected to be the best pg of all time. That is the reason he was on the cover of 2k. Its funny cause he was above curry but curry is now already projected to go down as the best pg of all time. It’s funny how everyone opinions changed and the hate he got just because he left lebron. No one is even touching curry now but kyrie was in his best years. Kyrie is had a better year than kd and curry in their best years last year yet he wasn’t the mvp. He recieved hate before he even stepped foot on the court for the Celtics and he still got even more hate even tho he played good. People taking his personality into the reason he’s “not good”. Yes the Celtics still made the playoffs every year and people knocking him for getting angry and not winning a chip but somehow forget that jayson Tatum was a rookie and Jaylen brown only played one year and they still had the best records in the past 6 years wen kyrie was playing for them for those 2 years. Celtics are still in the same situation even tho jayson and jaylen got better with the team getting better too. Kyrie is underrated and people like u need to stop treating him like he’s some average player. If alllen iverson is on this list kyrie should be too. Iverson said himself kyrie better than him. This list is based most on popularity not skill

[@CulEdz]

@@Marcus-XXL If LeBron never went back to Cleveland, Kyrie would be known as a better version of Kemba.

[@michaeloverton2437]

@@CulEdz that's true

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@CulEdz if lebron stayed on Miami he would have only 2 rings given to him by his daddy wade.

[@mal2541]

@@CulEdz you don’t think someone as good as Kyrie wouldn’t end up on a team with another all star or more and be a contending team

[@titankiller5287]

Chris is so right, you have to pick players “per era” not just best, obv players now are a lot more skilled and talented (IN GENERAL) than players back then It’s a curve of course

[@bsmoove2800]

Stop it then u shouldn't care the 75 greatest that means the 75 best not the hall of fame

[@jonathanbatista6135]

Wrong, then it becomes about assumptions and projecting how great you think a player of back then, would be in today's era. Its impossible to quantify how improved each of those players might be, its not a disrespect to the past, its called evolution.

[@bsmoove2800]

@@jonathanbatista6135 no it's not the elite big men can play in today's game and still be dominant it's the guards where the questions is at we know for a fact that Bob Cousy Bill Sharman and Sam Jones couldn't mess with none of these guards today

[@titankiller5287]

@@jonathanbatista6135 it’s not assumptions or projections, it’s about how they played in REGARDS to the era they were in The production that they put fourth (stats and accomplishments wise) PER the era they played in I’m not assuming anything when I say Wilt averaged 50, or Bill Russell won 12 titles, or Elgin has the most points in a single playoff game, these are facts, just in relation to when they played

[@jonathanbatista6135]

@@titankiller5287 but no one is questioning those caliber players, we're talking about the Bob's and Kevin's, average players that had average statistics, being ahead of a champion with the greatest handles of all time, I don't agree with the reasons Kyrie or T Mac, or even Dwight was left out. These are generational talents, who would dominate in ANY era

[@keithgupton9349]

Like most list of this type. There's a decent amount of players on the list that are irrefutable no matter what era they played in. The rest of the list is a popularity contest and very subjective.

[@mattmmixes]

ESPN always releases their top 100 and purposely goes against the popular opinion just to get people talking

[@bsmoove2800]

Exactly

[@petermadash4488]

@@mattmmixes Exactly. And we have caught on to their strategy. Sadly, many out here still believe in the legitimacy of an ESPN list. These guys stir up controversy just for ratings.

[@SB-wy1bm]

@@mattmmixes its isnt even an espn list. I highly doubt the nba did that in this case

[@SkinsFan902]

Nick is spitting 1000% facts

[@petermadash4488]

People can say what they want but Nick Wright is the best debater on sports television in the world. He brings facts to his argument and wipes the floor with anybody put before him other than Chris Broussard.

[@matiyaskebede8743]

There is no context in his argument. Facts without contexts are very misleading. Nick has been saying g Kyrie isn’t really a good player whilst he’s top 10/15 in the league even right now!

[@Spidervenom23]

@@matiyaskebede8743 He isn't top 10/15 right now in the League, He's like top 20 or top 25 but that's it.

[@BigPerc17]

@@matiyaskebede8743 Nick is the one that always provides context. That’s what makes him good at debating.

[@petermadash4488]

I mean if T-Mac couldn't cut it, Kyrie should have no argument really. That's a HoFer with scoring titles galore. We don't hear no argument about him.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Never got out the 1st rd. Kyrie has 1 loss in the 1st rd

[@northside4767]

@@pleaseshutup7053 T-Mac didn’t play with LeBron

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@northside4767 your teammates add to your greatness. Fact is he didn’t play in enough meaningful games

[@petermadash4488]

@@pleaseshutup7053 What about the individual accolades though? That must surely count more than team accomplishments?

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@petermadash4488 they have the same amount of all star appearances. And individual accolades are tricky because the bias media voting and they are just regular season when the games don’t mean the same thing. Playoffs are the real games can you say Tracey played his best basketball in the playoffs? And never getting out the 1st rd was their fault and not his.

[@starkiller578]

If it it wasn’t for that shot we wouldn’t even be talking about this.

[@northside4767]

Outside of that one finals run in Cleveland, this this isn’t even remotely debatable.

[@northside4767]

@Jordan Carter Nine guys, Malcolm Brogdon and Mark Price are on the list too, that doesn’t make them top 75.

[@felipe5955]

@Jordan Carter I can’t think of one memorable kyrie moment before or after Lebron. He’s a certified bucket but between injuries and other reasons not playing what else has he done?

[@bigman7570]

@Jordan Carter I know you didn’t seriously say that KYRIE is the reason the championship came to Cleveland 😳

[@felipe5955]

@Jordan Carter Your talking about a bunch of what’s ifs, couldas, and wouldas but it ain’t happen. I’m taking about facts, kyrie hasn’t done anything besides be a good scorers and have arguably the best handles ever. I’m not saying he isn’t an elite player

[@tblackmusic7460]

Wildes made great a point about the number one options that fell off the list, while the second fiddle guys off of championship teams make it on there… I don’t agree with taking number one options off, that didn’t win a chip, but carried their teams to play offs and had excellent careers…

[@katsu_papi]

Broussard walking straight-up in Nick's "cage" about the MVP voters is hilarious..

[@davidlewis3208]

Lol.. Wow.. Nick was ready for this one! Can't argue with his points at all!

[@mbizzle4952]

I agree kyrie should be on the outskirts looking in. needs a bit more to become a top 75 ever.

[@Gatorfan_Cavon]

💯💯💯

[@joshjohnson1082]

What more does he need to compete with guys who couldn't beat this eras higschool players?

[@everettacheampong4892]

@@joshjohnson1082 he needs accolades and consistency I my opinion. If your just going off of Pure Skill??, Kyrie would be on this list no question. But with skill and ability accolades have to go with it and his doesn't

[@joshjohnson1082]

@@everettacheampong4892 he has accolades. He the reason Cleveland got a chip. But why do acolades matter when talking about old era players? They have empty stats.......they were trash and their competition was trash. You could be from 1970 era and have 20 All team whatevers and still not be as good as q mid tier player now. Skill levels have evolved so drastically between then and now. I just don't understand how guys who just dribbled the ball in a circle get so much credit vs players who put on display skills that are unbelievable at times

[@everettacheampong4892]

@@joshjohnson1082 your right like I said if this were based off of skill he'd be in there no doubt. But if we're gonna be honest never at 1 point was Kyrie Considered a top 5 player as a matter of fact his in the 10-15 Range. And I'm sorry his accolades doesn't stack up against , CP3, Russ, Steph Dame etc. Not at any point was Kyrie Considered the best point guard at any point during his Career.

[@stanleyrobinson8712]

Kyrie Irving's a very good player, but a top 75, not yet, he's Injury prone and barely played a full season

[@ljpal18]

And not only can he not carry a squad, he's self destructive to a time.

[@fortressofattitude665]

Kyrie is a great player foh

[@ljpal18]

@@fortressofattitude665 a great scorer*

[@fortressofattitude665]

@@ljpal18 naw player you obviously has some bias

[@ljpal18]

@@fortressofattitude665 what makes him a great player?

[@InvestBetter.]

There's an argument for Kyrie. It's just not very good There's a much better argument for Dwight Howard over Bill Walton

[@i_chosen_one_ips432]

How so? Damian lillard made the list. Kyrie has had good numbers like him and has even won a championship and is probably the most skilled player in the NBA with the greatest handles of all time

[@Spidervenom23]

You can even said that D Rose has a better argument then Kyrie. He has a League Season MVP and Kyrie Doesn't. Also didn't his Bulls made to the Semi-Finals of the East twice and lost to Bron.

[@joeywestside7297]

Klay should be on this list before Kyrie and a few others that are actually on the list

[@Odinson42]

Didn’t realize fancy dribbling was a criteria. Might as well put in the Professor and other street ballers in.

[@bigman7570]

😂😂😂samething I’ve been saying, Kyrie just a ESPN highlight reel

[@joshjohnson1082]

50/40/90 💁‍♂️

[@larrylindgren9484]

@@joshjohnson1082 No. 47/39/88. Numbers for him are empty. He doesn't lead his team anywhere when he's your top dog. Even as terrible as GS was last year. Curry lead that terrible team to a playoff game. When in his career anywhere ever has Kyrie lead a team to a playoff? Never. He a shinny new car without a engine. Oh it looks good but goes not where without a lot of help.

[@joshjohnson1082]

@@larrylindgren9484 lebron has no chip in cleavland with kyrie who averaged the same amount of points in the playoffs as the "2nd" best player in history in his prime.........kyrie doesn't have to be a leader. Most guys ahead of him on this list didn't "lead" their team......qlot of them weren't even the top player on yhe team some were like the 3rd best player but yeah let's move the goal post because you don't like the guy for whatever reason. He's a champion and a baller that's better than Tleast half the guys on that list.

[@joshjohnson1082]

@@larrylindgren9484 yes. 2021 season he wqs 50/40/90 check the stats buddy

[@willliam1420]

Kyrie is a great individual offense player. He's not a good defensive player, he's a worse team player. On top of all that, he's a nut case

[@funnywhiteroots]

The show is so good now with Chris Broussard there instead of Brandon

[@OnlyOneGodJohn316]

Why did Brandon leave?

[@fortressofattitude665]

Now it’s time to get rid of Nick

[@jonathanleggett236]

I know basketball but I have never in my life ever heard of a dude named Paul Arizin someone please educate me 😂

[@GoofyFlan]

He played before the basketball bounced I think.

[@Ashashashash193]

At the time he tweeted Iggy must’ve thought the list was active players not all time

[@antoniocaballero3976]

Nick Wright has gotten me thinking about why people say Apples to oranges I can name a bunch of ways to compare them. Similar size, both fruits, both have seeds inside of them, orange is a shade from red Apples to bolling balls made more sense

[@keithr.4645]

😂😂 true

[@northside4767]

“Apples to oranges”, is used when comparing things that are vaguely similar, but a little too different to be directly comparable. “Apples to bowling balls” however, would be used when things are so different that they shouldn’t even be brought up together.

[@antoniocaballero3976]

@@northside4767 Most people use apples to oranges to describe huge differences

[@Qbjohnny13]

I could listen to Nick and Broussard talk ball all day

[@Urbanboy23]

Paul George has more accolades and Playoff success than Dame and Kyrie as a Number #1

[@abdulmoiz4350]

How many g7 winning shots pg have?

[@duckmeatpigmeat406]

@@abdulmoiz4350 if it werent for lebrons superteams pg eould have reached the finals, cant say the same about kyrie, much less dame lol

[@Quentavaise]

@@duckmeatpigmeat406 you have a point

[@bsmoove2800]

Paul George is a better player then Reggie Miller

[@cmrpromotions5069]

@@bsmoove2800 dude delete your account

[@bryanpadilla8826]

Idk about all this love for Kyrie. He didn't do anything without LeBron. Even in the East when it's been so weak.

[@EdKaneInternationalMale]

Hey Nick. What’s going on with the new hairdo bruh!?! 😂😂😅

[@zeewest5597]

Kyrie, Klay, TMac, VC & D.Howard vs Nate Archibald, Paul Arizin, Hal Greer, Jerry Lucas & Lenny Wilkens 🤔😂

[@RocksDXebec223]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 sheesh I’m taking that first team easy

[@zeewest5597]

@@RocksDXebec223 like cmon 😂 the first team gone smoke teams in the league now prime for prime.

[@Mr_B79]

I agree w/ Nick, for like the first time in my life.. Now if we made a 75 most potential seldom lived up to list, Kyrie is on that one...

[@RisingSun0401]

I'm putting Dwight, Klay, Parker, Ginobili, Big Ben, T-Mac, Vince & PG13 all over Kyrie. This is a non-discussion

[@ljpal18]

I would even take Deron Williams over him. At least he lead a team regularly in the loaded west.

[@cel6682]

Media Bias and team dynamic effects how players are looked at. Kyrie was better than Steph in the playoffs but no one brings that up.

[@bxlegenddeemoney6056]

How is Bernard King not on the list

[@jeremiahwilliams5747]

And Ray Allen has the most 3 point makes in history.

[@larrylindgren9484]

So? The 3 point shot only came into the lead to 79-80. And now with players only jacking up 3s Allen won't be there long. It's all about jacking up 3s. It doesn't matter if 65% of them are bricks (35% is the league average). Keep jacking them up. You don't win doing it. So it's odd they even do it.

[@jeremiahwilliams5747]

@@larrylindgren9484 none of that takes away from his achievement. And your point is?

[@mikepanton]

The had no chance to win more chips in Cleveland bc Love's contract would have dragged the team down and it was doing before Bron left...unless they chose not to extend him. But still, it's tough to get people to come to Cleveland

[@babystephena3773]

It's a Lebron's team. They will sure find a way to get rid of that contract..

[@rambo410]

How about Alonzo Mourning, Kevin Johnson, etc

[@luv2ruck770]

You can't argue Kyrie has a place on this list, if Dwight didn't make the list.

[@brendanbloom3366]

If Steph and dame made it than so should kyrie

[@ZACKSTACK1204]

@@brendanbloom3366 He’s not on Curry’s level career wise, not even close

[@brendanbloom3366]

@@ZACKSTACK1204 he is.

[@ZACKSTACK1204]

@@brendanbloom3366 Rundown their accolades and there’s no comparison

[@brendanbloom3366]

@@ZACKSTACK1204 compare their actual basketball ability. Their resumes are circumstancial. Team accomplishments and subjective media voted awards don't make you better.

[@CJ22166]

Wildes is hilarious lol

[@T2PV7]

Kyrie definitely effects winning. But only If he’s the no.2 guy!

[@bsmoove2800]

There's a lot of similar players on the list

[@sanoodilon4563]

Even as a number 2 he's doubtful. I personally believe he was great with the Cavs because he was with LeBron. I think no other superstars can win with Kyrie as a No.2. Other No.2s Can fail to lead the team to much. For example i think Dame would be a great No2. I don't think teams could be better without them though.

[@T2PV7]

@@sanoodilon4563 solid point!

[@ljpal18]

But lebron made the finals the year after they dealt kyrie for nothing. So how impact is he I wonder.

[@sanoodilon4563]

@@ljpal18 It was against the golden state warriors with 4HOF in their prime. They were gonna lose with or without Kyrie

[@PPM209]

Kyrie is top 10 team cancer of all time

[@bsmoove2800]

He's still top 75 he'll wear out dam there every point guard on this list

[@DavidColemanKing]

His reasons for Dame is ridiculous. Ky has a championship and Dame doesn't. Plus those older guys are not.... THEY ARE NOT AS GOOD AS KYRIE!!!

[@harryo82]

Iguodala has zero credibility with take. It's not about image. Aside from one all-time shot in the finals. What has Kyrie done in his career? Never lead a team to the playoffs. Never lead the league in anything.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

You forgot his Celtics years? You know who has never led his team to the playoffs without multiple all stars the chef

[@harryo82]

@@pleaseshutup7053 Nah, I didn't forget the Celtics. I said he's never "lead" a team to the playoffs. Celtics made the playoffs without him the year before and played better without him when he was on the roster. I didn't forget at all.

[@Harun-cd6jz]

Andre Iguodala played against Kyrie Irving in the Finals so he has credibility. Andre Iguodala was negatively impacted and lost a ring due to Irving's shot. He has no reason to lie for a rival. What are your credentials and what is your credibility? ZERO. Kyrie cant lead a team? Kyrie Irving has been limited due to injuries and has been injured in 3/4 past seasons, what sample size are you saying to discredit his ability?

[@pleaseshutup7053]

@@harryo82 you clearly did forget because Kyrie was on that team the year before leading them to the playoffs he got hurt towards the end of the season. And the year before they had Thomas an all star and year after Kemba and all star. You idiots don’t know anything. But hate

[@CurtisBallard]

A lot of good points. I'm not sure what to think anymore.

[@kamaljames8112]

Kyrie hit 1 shot years ago. Kyrie can’t carry a team, can’t lead a team, doesn’t uplift his teammates. He does not belong on that list. Him being left off is very accurate

[@Kirbystare1992]

Dame can’t either one wcf appearance?

[@dallasINtokyo]

Can we get a barber for Nick? Love you guys

[@longhitter84]

Take out all of those still playing and put them when they're done.

[@nasMFkhan]

I fkin love that kw doesn't YELL. Thank you

[@gerair23]

uncle Drew is TOP 50! I prefer to see a Kyrie game than to see many who are in that top 75 play. It's like when I prefer to see MJ than Magic or Bird. basketball is entertainment and there are players who take it to another level.

[@trillboosted5916]

top 50 you don’t know basketball bro

[@eleegs]

Yes, but also a problem for making sure the NBA screens it’s players to have at least an elementary school education with a 4th grade reading and comprehension level

[@debee1471]

If you can make a solid argument of being the greatest of ALL TIME at something (scoring, assists, blocks, etc.) like Kyrie can for having the best handles of all time then you should make this list. Although, he just barely makes it on my list

[@bjensen]

The biggest difference is the way carrying and traveling are (not called). Almost all of Kyrie's moves would be whistled if we went by old rules.

[@hollywoodunreleased1310]

Yea but u could say that for everyone in the modern era not just kyrie tho

[@O4C209]

If you've never been considered the best at your position, how you a top all time?

[@7srchoed]

The difference between Kylie and every player mentioned in this segment, both on the 75 list and off of it, I have never seen Kyrie make his teammates better. Rodman, Parish, McGrady, I’ve seen their greatness elevate the play or role of their teammates. Never seen that from Kyrie.

[@pleaseshutup7053]

Some of the old heads should have been dropped

[@larrylindgren9484]

@@pleaseshutup7053 But they were great for their time. You can't say well X doesn't shoot 3s like Curry. Well when X played there was no 3 point shot. What were you in your time. Kyrie has never ever been said to be even in the top 5 of his time. So how is this a top 75 player ever when you aren't even the top 5 of your own time. Some players would plug and play from the past easily. Wilt would ruin the NBA now. His skills worked then they'd even be better now with zero centers in the league. As Jerry West said, "if Wilt played today. He'd make a today's NBA centers look pretty foolish." West kind of knows basketball I'd say. Your judge were they great in their time.

[@damauntewalters3]

So why is AD on the list??

[@RJames-uy2mt]

How was Kyrie the closer when Lebron had more game winners while they played together? 🤔

[@i_chosen_one_ips432]

Closing a game isn’t always hitting the last shot. Closing a game would be making sure the team wins in a close game.

[@bsmoove2800]

See this is the problem they make a list calling it the top 75 greatest but then add some of these old players that they know some of these players after them was better players and dare call it the 75 greatest

[@jacques8439]

Bro that's exactly what I said because technically if you wanna be real this honestly isn't even the REAL top 75 because they didn't even take anyone off just left the same old players on there just added 25 more if it was really about the REAL top 75 then they would take the players off that doesn't belong on there no more because there might be a couple better players now that belong on the list before them I'm just saying how can you have a list like this when they don't even consider taking some of the older players off that probably/most likely wasn't as good as some of the players that didn't and should have made it

[@larrylindgren9484]

You just don't get it. Were you great in your time. The guys from the past were great in their time. Cousy was magical with the basketball for his time. Maybe not for this time but that's not the list. Were you great long enough in your time. Kyrie hasn't been barely good in his time. You can't even say he's be great for even 1 whole year. So yes he shouldn't be on a top 75 player list. It's about who was great for their time. Kyrie has not ever.

[@jacques8439]

@@larrylindgren9484 no it's not about that's it's called "Top 75 Players Of ALL TIME'" stop trying to change the narrative none of that matters what your talking about their are a couple of players that should of been taken off for some other players that deserves to be on their more especially if they saying the best of the best which they are because like said it's called 'Top 75 Players Of ALL TIME" so they should put the pure best no matter the era

[@edwardashfield1289]

They needed to do a better job qualifying what the list is - it is how good players were in respect to their era. If this was the top 75 skilled players ever it would be almost exclusively dudes from the last 20 years plus a few generational guys eg Jordan Kareem Magic.

[@joshjohnson1082]

This right here!!! Dudes on this list couldn't beat my local high-school squad let alone hold a candle to someone of Kyrie's skill level

[@markbantz9699]

Tmac was unbelievable before he was hurt!

[@smokeythebear201]

While I dont always agree with Broussard (I do more than I dont) I believe he has the best takes in sports. While he is not always the most flashy or entertaining I think he is best at contextualizing situations and giving thorough measured opinions.

[@Abijahtv]

Kyrie is the people's champ... Kyrie don't care about the system standards. But it's fair to say you can't put him in top 75.. because of all they say. But Kyrie does affect winning. BkN cannot win without him. If we get Kyrie showing up all season it's trouble

[@sparks1792]

He is not the people champs tf lmao 😂😂😂

[@ianbahamonde6679]

How’s this take age 💀💀he hasn’t won anything since lebrón

[@ianbahamonde6679]

Hasn’t had a single good playoff run

[@ericeiserloh8170]

I don't know Nick Wright much as a sport's analyst, but I came up with the same egregious snubs that he has: Sidney Moncrief was a tier one player for 6 seasons on both ends of the court, which a lot of guys on the list can't touch. Even more-so Tracy McGrady, Bernard King, Dwight Howard, and I'll throw in another one- Chris Webber. These were are MVP candidates at some point, and a bunch of guys on the list have never come close to that. There are, of course others. If you want to consider Tony Parker, what about Dennis Johnson, the best player Bird said he ever played with, and that was when he was past his prime. What about Big Bob Lanier, or Alonzo Mourning? What about Grant Hill or David Thompson? Most of these guys were hurt by lack of longevity, or in a few cases by having long careers made up of two phases: Pre and post injury. Who has mostly been left off are players who were tier 1 (top 5 or top 10 in the league) for 5 or 6 years for players who were top 25-30 for a longer period, which isn't very satisfying to me.

[@albertopineda462]

kyrie may not be top 75 stat-wise, but when kyrie is on the same floor with dame, curry, and any other pg in the league, he's always getting the best of them

[@youngcalimigga]

They took him off the top 75 because of the Covid if u look it up

[@NETBU]

never even heard of bob coosey

[@CharlesCinco5]

If SAS was on this show and hear Nick's ANALYSIS of Kyrie and the 0 vote thing, I guarantee you SAS would walk out and yell and call his take an analysis

[@ronelbertbilog9636]

Nick not saying he does not affect winning. He affects winning as number 2 guy..not as The guy..

[@SP-ve1im]

Can't believe it. Nick is spot on lol

[@InvestBetter.]

Vinc-anity, Bernard King and Dwight Howard should be on this list There was a time, in 1985, where you could make the argument that Bernard King was the best player in the NBA, if we're talking peaks. He was unstoppable when he won the scoring title. He was an early version of James Harden, except he played from the post/elbow, not from the top

[@larrylindgren9484]

Before he hurt his knee King was a nasty scorer.

[@asura3967]

For me it’s simple if dame made it on the list people such as Tmac,Klay Thompson and Dwight Howard SHOULD BE ON THE LIST PERIOD it’s a disgrace to put dame above any of those guys because they’ve all accomplished more than him

[@joeybagodoughnuts1907]

It’s top 75 “NBA” players not “Basketball” Players. If it was all about basketball then yes but this is about NBA greatness.

[@memoirsofalegend5472]

No way Kyrie over Klay foh

[@shak8277]

Lil Isiah Thomas 💀💀💀💀

[@Atlas365247]

Kyrie is in his prime now. 1st 40-50-90 last yr

[@tyyoung8264]

Sorry but , I don’t have Dame over Kyrie

[@jessielopez53]

Give me Tony Parker over Dame

[@ahmedmeshref614]

People talk about kyrie not being able to lead a team to a chip. He only had 2 seasons to do so. But i’ve never seen dame in the finals, never seen cp3 win a chip, never seen russ lead a team to the finals as the number 1 option for their entire careers. So stop using this argument please

[@kohsmoger1567]

Cp3 and dame never had Lebron or KD on their team.

[@hysehauzzzzy]

Hes the third best player in brooklyn.... chris is crazy

[@rohanmart106]

mans said little isaiah thomas 😭💀

[@Darius_Icewood]

Isaiah Thomas was great just enough room for himself lol He wasn't "that great" to have a prodigy of him viewed as a great player lol

[@Justsegarra]

I push against the bottom that Bob Cousy would've been just as big of a star now as he was back then, just because he would've proportionally gotten as good compared to his contemporaries, due to different training. It isn't just about training, it's got to do with the pool.of existing players. It was astronomically smaller back then. Barely anyone played basketball at that time. The game is so international now that the amount of people trying to get in is ridiculous.

[@bigsr.644]

Should been 100 that’s how good the leagues has been since the first list. All those guys should be on it including Vince TMac Howard Kyrie Sidney King Parker Manu and I’m missing a bunch they all deserve it. You can’t tell me Air Canada and TMac weren’t better in their prime than half the list 🥱

[@BrianGrossPy]

Kyrie made 50 point games in cleveland and made the shot to win in the finals, they didn't win just because they had Lebron, Kyrie was the first pick in the draft, Kyrie is not only the best handler in the NBA.

[@trillboosted5916]

what has kyrie did since that shot ?

[@colezee7640]

@@trillboosted5916 nothing

[@trillboosted5916]

@@colezee7640 fr doe

[@kalleyskywalker5279]

Only number 1 options should be on the top 75 list.

[@QGuides]

I got a crush on Wilds. He’s cute and he’s smart and makes me laugh often.

[@dkhafre444]

Jenna be looking like she smoked a fat joint as she just be sitting there listening to the guys talk. Lol.

[@kalisperis]

If Tony Parker is not on the list, Kyrie's name shouldn't even come up.

[@DavidColemanKing]

Kyrie way better than Tony Parker.

[@yaw.attuah]

Bernard King, Alex English, Vince Carter and Dwight Howard... all big snubs

[@michaeloverton2437]

Thank you especially Alex English who is the greatest Denver Nuggets ever as of right now anyway

[@mattmmixes]

I feel like 90s and 2000s players got the short end of the stick on this list, they picked modern players like dame to please young fans they picked random 50s players to please old people so they just ran out of spots for these guys

[@bsmoove2800]

Adrian Dantley David Thompson Chris Mullin Grant Hill Penny Hardaway

[@bsmoove2800]

@@mattmmixes no it's just those old players who ain't deserving and the dumb selection of Dennis Rodman and people of that caliber

[@michaeloverton2437]

@@mattmmixes agreed

[@chebarthompson4030]

He never carried a team but he went 2-0 in the conference finals before injury when they were number 1 seed

[@britemite]

Wouldn't Beethoven by more of an IDM guy?

[@djaramillo09]

LeBron not beating the Warriors without Kyrie. Imagine if he never got hurt their time in Cleveland. There’s so many what if moments through NBA history

[@dylanparry4691]

Ty Lawson got an MVP vote?!?!

[@matm6916]

Dwight...when prime was the best defender in the history of the league. He was downright scary. How is he not on this list

[@larrylindgren9484]

No Wilt was the best defensive player in league history. There's Wilt and a long way back to number 2.

[@Bigkool31o]

I don’t think Kyrie has the greatest handle ever I truly believe it’s rafer Alston he just held back

[@AdsackGames]

As a celtics fan, there is no way kyrie should be on this list

[@GoHmble]

Chris “EYE EYE EYE EYE” Broussard

[@nigellewis2132]

Not saying kyrie shouldn't be considered... But there's a lot more people that id consider over him

[@eyes7054]

Top 75 is a body of work, not memorable moments. You have to play consistently to have a body of work. How many playoffs has he actually played in where he was the focal point. Infact how many playoffs has he been in period besides when he was with Lebron.

[@thejeffro]

How tf did Dragic get a MVP vote?

[@lanafelix8649]

Kyrie place in history is there but not among all time greats

[@BigBen1994]

All these players will be on there on the top 100 players

[@BrolicCityFitness]

Really snubbed Ben Wallace, 4x dpoy smh

[@sikelelambatha5270]

Good thing they didn't put Klay, his arrogant and sarcastic 🤨