SSB4 The New Smooth Lander and Heavy Gravity

[@triplewario]

This is insane. As I watched this, I was almost screaming of joy. The game suddenly became a LOT faster and LOT more hype than it already is! Truly wish this is how the normal game was, but the fact that we're able to make it this way is amazing! This has to be a new meta, I can feel it.

[@TheRealCartererer]

wwwwario Yeah I'm so glad a discovered this mode, then someone had the idea of using these other badges to make it more balanced so I had to share it. I'm not sure if it's a good time to introduce it though because everyone is still debating on 2 or 3 stock, 5 or 6 minutes, customs on or off, it's a big mess.

[@triplewario]

TheRealCartererer Yeah. With these SLHG settings, I'd at least say 3 stock. Customs is a debate, but none of them to me seem OP in any way. Some are better than others, maybe, but not OP. So yeah, big mess, but this is really cool.

[@triplewario]

TheRealCartererer Ugh... me and my friend tries this, but we have 2 problems: 1. When I used the hammer on one of the challenges, I got the wrong agility badge. I got the Wallopper instead of the Item Hitter one.... 2. We keep getting an error message only a few seconds into the match that sends us back to the Online menu... anyone else having this problem?

[@CreeperMagnetGaming]

how did u guys get heavy gravity online?

[@Joseph-ei3xj]

+CreeperMagnetGaming online isn't working anymore sadly :/

[@PokeTune14]

These settings make the game that much more hype. I seriously would like to see these settings implemented into a side-tournament to test them out in a tourney environment.

[@calebrobinson6406]

So, this is basically melee mode for smash 4.

[@vish5942]

Caleb Robinson only less glitches

[@SpeedmetalTheHedgehog]

With this smooth lander and heavy gravity trick, it's Melee all over again cause of the faster falling speeds(with the exception of wavedashing and dash dancing has been weakened. But hey, Fox's Shine Spikes return!) Only if EVO didn't ban customs, then we'd see this gameplay in tournaments...I think either way, this amazing trick that closely resembles Melee, wasn't going to be in tournaments in the first place, even if someone else found this trick out before the banning...

[@blargh257]

Ay, thanks for the shoutout to the thread. People, please be aware that this is not Melee. It's Smash 4 that favors offense a bit more and has more combos. That's still great for me and a lot of people, though. Also, as of this time customs are off except for Mega Man's seeing as he has an infinite with his first up B and up B 2 is easy to get. Also... crap, I can't fit what I want to say! Just read the thread. Everything I want to say is there.

[@cieele]

Now all we need is multi shine and we're in business.

[@Kai4life4]

If only...

[@dylanandrade62]

An interesting idea is using leaper boots. they work with most characters and allow for the same height as originally. They also can balance out very well, but the problem is finding them.

[@zerohcrows]

This makes Air dodging so good/bad.

[@DarkFox2071]

My only complaint with SLHG is that kill moves stop been kill moves. And the recoveries of certain characters just become plain bad. Now if we could get smooth lander with no stat changes..... that would make all the cast viable without even having to use heavy gravity.

[@bangiaryan]

I would absolutely love to see this as a side event. Let's not jump into it too hard though. I would wait for it to become a viewer requested stream before trying to make it a regular thing. Also, I wonder if it'd be a good idea for Tournaments if people sold Smash 3DS copies that had every custom move unlocked.

[@SouprSpookr]

Ryan Bangia Unfortunately, I checked and I don't think any of these Custom gear pieces are in the 3DS version.

[@lil2Gutzthefalcondemigod]

Makes it feel like PM for smash 4 is coming sooner than I expect.

[@AuraLink]

I hope people will do this at tournaments, looks like there's a new metagame at hand

[@Flamerthehedhog]

That gosh darn moment when you use every golden hammer for other challenges (except for the smooth lander)

[@OfficialFatherBeat]

I hope people start trying this out at locals

[@Littled0013]

Gabe Simmons You're everywhere!

[@OfficialFatherBeat]

Littled0013 everywhere smash related at least

[@OfficialFatherBeat]

Gabe Simmons HA i live in a dorm building nice try tho

[@PudgeTalks]

OfficialFatherBeat Here in Melbourne we're currently trialing it on a few setups for friendlies.

[@OfficialFatherBeat]

PudgeTalks Let me know how that goes! I am really curious if it will be successful.

[@Athorment]

So someone would just have to hack and modify some of the Up B customs (Up B 2 or 3) to fix the recovery nerfs and players would have the option to play sm4sh AND Melee Mode (Modifying Up B 1 sonic spring to work on heavy gravity would most likely have him jump above the blastzone in normal gravity)

[@italic177]

It's too late now, but Bowser gets a recovery nerf, too...

[@albertndur-osei6503]

What would be the best way to integrate this into the competitive SM4SH scene, maybe the same way customs were?

[@eatingsyne]

Impressive stuff, thanks for sharing. Just gonna ramble a bit about my set up in case anyone actually wants to read about it... I have a similar setup where the stats are + 12 atk, - 3 def, and + 21 speed. Basically, attacks on average do 1-2 more damage, everyone jumps a little better and runs faster (which especially helps characters like Dr. Mario), and everyone is slightly lighter, but not enough to make a big difference. It composes of the smooth lander brawn badge, a generic protection badge, and a generic agility badge. Unforunately, because of the generic badges, it'd be difficult to completely replicate on other people's systems. If anyone's interested, I could upload a few replays of this set up in action.

[@RadiantDawnn]

My friends and I actually tried this the first day special smash was found to be working online. I'm glad someone made a video of it finally.

[@adamleen254]

Unfortunately, Moon Launcher also increases DAMAGE OUTPUT in vertical launching moves. So basically, you're up smash/tilt/air are your best moves

[@adamleen254]

Sorry, I've tried this and lots of other ways to fix this in a way that it remains as airtight as possible, but there's always some problem one way or another.

[@chunes5801]

Amazing find man! I'm going to unlock these and try the mode out. Very excited. You earned yourself a new sub, I can't wait to see if you can find any other was to make this game faster paced. :)

[@Joseph-ei3xj]

Great video as always. SLHG is so hype!

[@BAM99023]

The HD remake for Melee is coming along nicely it seems

[@brucewayne4172]

The melee Sheiks are going to have a field day with this tech chasing

[@Drflash55Official]

2:52 This sounds like Palm Shore for Mario Kart DS except using instruments from the Sonic Adventure DX Chao Race Main Theme (not Menu Theme).

[@Kai4life4]

Damn it. I'll have to either put the time and effort into getting every custom or completely resetting my Sm4sh data just to get the hammers again. Echhhh...

[@Kai4life4]

I'm already halfway there at least.

[@chase5654]

Here was my SLHG moveset: - Smooth Lander Brawn Badge (+18 atk, -23 def) (Start moving again more quickly after landing.) - Food Lover Protection Badge (+18 def, -15 spd) (1.5x damage healed when eating food.) - Agility Badge (+21 spd, -14 atk)

[@MrPenguinPantsMPP]

I always wanted to know what smash would be like with realistic gravity and physics.

[@huhuu8862]

I hope they make special smash as dlc for the 3ds, plus more challenges so you can get an automatic smooth lander badge that will be more fair even though I already have one

[@7thAngel777]

The improved combo game is nice for sure but the tech chasing seems a bit too.. easy. I'd wanna see some high level play of this before considering it..

[@Nootathotep]

this is awesome. Someone should try to invent more of these setups.

[@RegalRuffRaff]

Basically makes the game a bit more like melee. :)

[@RegalRuffRaff]

Damn how I wish the 3ds had heavy gravity, literally never can practice with anyone on Wii u

[@supervideomaker9136]

It's honestly really funny looking at all these comments and then looking at our current meta

[@AlexHuttonProductions]

If you did this with the speed thing in special smash on it might be almost as fast as brawl (Sarcasm in case it wasn't clear)

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

Very nice! One thing though: what about characters who are able to generate items like Peach? Wouldn't they benefit a bit more than the rest of the cast with this set?

[@TheRealCartererer]

***** The item bonus only effects battering items. These are the battering items: Beam Sword, Fire Bar, Home-Run Bat, Lip's Stick, Ore Club, and Star Rod.

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

TheRealCartererer Ah. That makes much more sense. Plus the chances of Peach getting a Beam Sword is pretty low, so it shouldn't be a problem. Great work dude!

[@Polycubism]

***** she cant even pull a beam sword in smash 4

[@theonewhowrotethis5681]

Ferbo The Pwnz0r They removed that? That sucks....

[@Littled0013]

New face of Smash 4 pls?

[@alfredgrant2855]

Littled0013 Probably not, many people's recoveries get nerfed beyond repair (Diddy, Duck Hunt, Sonic, etc) with customs not being able to help much. Also, it makes some moves not work properly like Little Mac's Jolt Haymaker on the ground

[@Littled0013]

Well, personally I'm not very fond of those characters, but I can see it decreasing the roster.

[@servantofcygnus]

Alfred Grant The thing is though, some of those characters needed those nerfs. Duck Hunts and Sonics tend to camp until their recovery saves their asses as usual and Diddy is Diddy.

[@alfredgrant2855]

Diddy got nerfed already with all of his knockback and damage being reduced. Camping doesn't require skill; if you can't overcome somebody's projectiles/playstyle, that's on you, not them. You don't see campers winning Smash tournaments. Also, nerfing a recovery to the point of it being unusable isn't a justified balance if they don't have a dominant ground game like Little Mac.

[@servantofcygnus]

Does Diddy NOT already have a dominant ground game? Given the bananas and his jab fuckabouts and the fact that his up special kind of becomes a lethal 'get off me' weapon in this mode, I'd probably say it's good enough. Peanuts.

[@adamleen254]

This is really unfortunate, but I have to tell you that moon launcher doesn't actually increase launch power, and there are a lot of other equipment pieces that don't really do what their description entails. As you can see at 4:58, Falco's up smash did 21 DAMAGE, up from 19. It doesn't increase knockback, just damage output on moves that launch upward. It makes your upward launching moves your best moves, as they do much more damage and knockback. It's a shame, I wish Sakurai would patch the equipment so it does what it actually says it does.

[@TheRealCartererer]

***** Yeah I realized that awhile ago, I guess it could encourage to use your upward attacks for juggles? it may have really good damage but at least the knockback is just normal knockback so upward attacks aren't the best for every situation. I would say they were your best moves if the knockback was insane but Heavy Gravity makes it normal. Still tho it's a shame that it does increase damage and knockback, but I don't think it's a huge problem because this mode is for fun, I was just hoping to make it more balanced to appeal to more people.

[@LifeMushroom]

So we have to select Heavy Gravity in special smash meaning we can't play with online friends?

[@TheRealCartererer]

Yes unfortunately.

[@dankmeimes4274]

Where on the board are these located I want to use hammers for them

[@dankmeimes4274]

Nevermind They're shown Derp

[@linkgent008]

I tested this and it seems that megaman has infinite recovery, because he can use rush again after you fast fall into it, just saying.

[@snivyboy168]

Now We Need A Mod To Fit With This New Meta

[@gameboracci]

It's melee mode? OK, sounds interesting. Do you think it's still good in 1.1.5?

[@TimeFro]

people saying this is like melee but with this you can still just jump out of combos and the nerf to recoveries is hit or miss balance wise for some characters. I still prefer PM to sm4sh but this is super interesting.

[@jakal361]

How is what they did to sonic in any way fair

[@mike-xm2jt]

So, we made smash4 into melee

[@Rockopolis]

I hope this becomes a big thing

[@danterowland7293]

I'd be on board with this if it were considered to be used in tournament. Is that a possibility?

[@thatmf4739]

Definitely not

[@danterowland7293]

ThisIsn'tMackie Why though? They should just allow an option to turn it on. Seems like it might help to consolidate the smash community a little more.

[@thatmf4739]

Dante Rowland no

[@danterowland7293]

ThisIsn'tMackie So you're one of those guys? Honestly I'm not sure what about that idea seems radical to the point of inconceivability.

[@thatmf4739]

Dante Rowland have you ever been to a tournament?

[@Rukia4Lover]

So is this basically a way to get Melee in smash 4? I remember melee having a lot of gravity.

[@Dynasty_-dp2iz]

I've tried these challenges in the description they didn't work :'(, is there any other way to get golden hammers?

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

It would be A sequel to melee if you'd mod out the recovery nerfs and combo fails due to pourcentages/enemies jumping out of them. That being said I still prefer how PM characters are all broken in a good way (except that its still floaty) but you discoveries will make Duck Hunt Dog more fun to play. #buffthepuff

[@gregoryent]

So basically you made smash 4 melee if you had auto L cancelling

[@lelainemorato]

This makes the game like melee

[@qwazkid8272]

Omg help I did each easy way 3 times each but can't seem to get a hammer.

[@Unk0wnHope]

why is there no special smash on 3ds....

[@JacobGopp]

How did you get all of the custom moves?

[@Nootathotep]

can Sonic use Hammer Spin Dash?

[@deathblowringo4168]

I Can Use this with Conjunction with a Anchor Jump Badge, I Will no need the Help of Heavy Gravity Thanks to the Increased Falling Speed of Anchor Jump Badge.

[@FeralPhilosopher]

Hmmm... I question the balance, but I'm sure my comp smash buddy wouldn't mind playing around with me with these. Now to set up my wii u for 3 days to custom farm.

[@TheRealCartererer]

FeralPhilosopher the build in this video is much more balanced than before. It fixes the vertical KO problem, makes it really simple to get the stats very low, and I tried my best to show different recovery options for characters who get there recoveries nerfed in this mode, unfortunately for Sonic he doesn't have a work around.

[@thechaoslp2047]

TheRealCartererer Who cares about sonic

[@FeralPhilosopher]

TheRealCartererer Yeah, I get that. But I still question the balance until I play it for myself.

[@SaoAhmet]

I care about sonic my main :(

[@thechaoslp2047]

Sao Ahmet I feel bad for you if you're a tournament player

[@byungshin8773]

where is the moon launcher protection badge located on the challenges?

[@sebastianfoye1975]

They showed at 1:40. Destroy 50000 or more blocks in Trophy Rush. I recommend Bayonetta holding up-air or Palutena Heavenly Light.

[@byungshin8773]

thx man

[@sebastianfoye1975]

Allen Choi No problem

[@RayalWorldConz]

YoungLink is freaking amazing.

[@MillenniumDiceTV]

Probably super late to the party but what on earth is Smooth Landing, Heavy Gravity and what is it good for?

[@TheRealCartererer]

Lumpyrox Smooth Lander Equipment reduces landing lag on air attacks so you can move quicker. Heavy Gravity is a special smash Mode that makes the gravity heavier allowing for great combo options. Smooth Lander and Heavy Gravity seem great together and is a fun mode I thought I should share with everyone.

[@chase5654]

The only time Pac's grab is useful

[@localbtsfancam]

whats the all customs challenge box? does that mean get every custom special?

[@7kslair153]

Yes, or use a hammer.

[@Free4Game]

Can you play heavy gravity on online Mode?

[@XIxCaptainKRulLT]

This makes me think of Melee, but slightly cooler :D

[@adiemus7155]

Is there any equipment to give you heavy gravity instead of having to choose it in special smash so I can do it online with my friends?

[@Joseph-ei3xj]

***** this thread has all the info you need: smashboards.com/threads/smooth-lander-and-heavy-gravity-slhg-update-online.383506/

[@artificial4826]

Now ... This is Melee ?

[@RayalWorldConz]

NaisuDex Yes

[@ultima2295]

This is awesome!

[@TehJellyLord]

These have gotta be the hardest things to get in this game! I mostly do multiplayer stuff, so I don't unlock much things doing that. The closest one I am to getting is the Item Hitter Speed Badge I only have 304 trophy's!

[@antwerp7970]

Use hammers?

[@mikesharpmni4264]

Farm crazy orders. Search up how. It is pretty easy

[@joppesijses]

is the landing lag of an airdogde also shorter?

[@nugnugs647]

+Joppe Sijses Nope, and because of the heavier gravity air dodging is far worse in this mode, which is a good thing

[@andersolson44]

Soo fox is just better little mac here? aside from super armor I mean

[@NonJohns]

SLHG Sonics will need to know how to spin shot.

[@Nootathotep]

+Non Johns (LuCina) what's that?

[@dannydorito4914]

+Ironed Sandwich a side-b jump cancel that flings sonic through the air.

[@Nootathotep]

Zachbel/ Mr.M thanks! shame YT isn't as good as Reddit, would have Saved.

[@adiemus7155]

Can this work on 3DS (the equipment not heavy gravity.)

[@TheRealCartererer]

***** yup the equipment will work the same, it won't be easy to find on the 3ds version because the challenge rewards are different.

[@adiemus7155]

Are the coordinates the same for each one?

[@TheRealCartererer]

Yup on the Wii U version challenge screen the coordinates are the same, you could also read the challenge description to see if it matches if your unsure.

[@adiemus7155]

Thanks man! Love your videos by the way. You're amazing, you should attend some tournaments! Also thank you for all your tutorials and combo videos.

[@adiemus7155]

By the coordinates for each one I meant like is it the same for 3DS and Wii U

[@Tuusuuki]

7:03 The year is 20XX

[@tofuki404]

So is this Melee HD?

[@Rei22yan]

Can it work slhg well on 3ds version?

[@thesquade916]

no special smash

[@Lucyfers]

I believe there is a type of equipment that makes your character have heavy gravity

[@Beefman.0]

Does this make it easier to get comboed or combo?

[@_frection_419]

Yeah. Most combos stop working or don't work because the character gets hit too far away for you to reach them, but with this mode they won't get launched very high until very late percents

[@Legendiro]

This is very Fun BUT should never be tournament legal. Never. BUT i like the Smooth Landing Settings. So SL normal smash Would actually be better. IMO.

[@Joseph-ei3xj]

Legendiro I'd enter a tournament with SLHG in a heartbeat.

[@OfficialFatherBeat]

Legendiro "very fun" "should never be tourny legal" Why would you want something "very fun" not to be legal.

[@OfficialFatherBeat]

chrisall76 I disagree, Look at melee, lots of characters have TERRIBLE recoveries, Yoshi, ness etc. This game has like 50 characters, having sonic and megaman and duck hunt become less viable for an overall better experience is WAY better imo

[@HyperSonicN1]

chrisall76 I wonder if Sonic's Up B can be used to combo at low %. Something like "Whatever move sends enemy in a vertical direction" > Up B > Dair

[@TheGreenLanyard]

chrisall76 Seriously, what is this Sonic not being an air fighter nonsense?

[@RensGoguma]

7:04 the year is 20XX

[@Scaider_]

Dr. Mario is fucking god!

[@ShadowMarth121]

With that, nuff said to all the rants lol

[@Obungle]

Melee fox returns!!!

[@Tmathh]

if smash 4 came out like this it would be so so much more popular

[@OctoBito12]

Is that duck hunt color custom?

[@rideon3456]

dude no

[@lazlo_bananas8285]

so...there's a third meta now...ok

[@ScLuigi]

Melee . . ? Is that you?

[@Anoter]

Did this work on the 3ds version ?

[@WastedHog]

+TalesOfAnoter Sadly no. It has no Special Smash mode, so no Heavy Gravity...

[@Anoter]

+Superkidra And I guess it don't work without the high gravity. :/ Thanks for your answer.

[@WastedHog]

TalesOfAnoter NP. And sorry for the sadness.

[@TNinja0]

But you only get one Smooth Lander, no? You can't have eveyrone equip it? :v

[@TheRealCartererer]

TNinja0 Equipment isn't for one character only, you can equip the same equipment to each character.

[@TNinja0]

Oh, that's fun. I was hesitating about using my equipments. :v

[@chenjamin4061]

Air dodge?

[@nugnugs647]

+Chenjamin Faster fall speed makes air dodges much more dangerous, so even an airdodge will just place the opponent on the ground in lag so the combo can keep going.

[@mike-xm2jt]

But Mario in this though

[@chase5654]

Sonic deserves that nerf lol

[@qwerp3380]

I guess this is the new project m XD

[@maxieprimo2758]

Like Melee, but enjoyable.

[@RayalWorldConz]

Colin McGreevy Indeed.

[@peanutbutterpikachu]

Too bad this stuff is extremely hard to unlock.

[@nugnugs647]

+Peanut Butter Pikachu Adding on to regimaster, if you've used all of your golden hammers and you're interested in slhg, it'd honestly say redo the save file. All characters can be unlocked pretty quickly, slhg unlocks even faster and then all you have to do is grind for 2 custom moves and voila, slhg

[@unmellowthegamer8946]

i will just use the smooth lander mod k thnx

[@coinrush1]

1:05 It says L Cancel Kappa

[@snivyboy168]

20XX IS HERE (no it isn't)

[@Tmathh]

good job

[@Xenoks01]

To the people saying they want the new meta to be like this: Go play Melee or Project M.

[@juanaguirre1681]

"new"

[@RayalWorldConz]

Ew PM.

[@ottosantiagolassus]

why are people so obsessed with recoveries. The point is to knock your opponent out, soooo if you get knock out so be it. I think it makes the fights faster and to the fuken point. I hate fights that go on forever because of super recoveries

[@supermarioglitchy321]

Most "Super Recoveries", like Diddy Kong, Duck Hunt, and R.O.B.'s can easily be punished. If you do nothing to stop them and the fight lasts forever because of it, that's your fault, not the recovery's.

[@rujandoru2033]

supermarioglitchy321 got his ass. Lol jk

[@_frection_419]

Yeah, this mode would just have stocks going much faster. That wouldn't really change the length though, because camping would still work just fine and there would probably be 4 stocks.

[@ShadowMarth121]

It's not competitive smash lol. Just something cool within the game

[@dannydorito4914]

this could be the nbt for melee/pm players

[@RayalWorldConz]

This is competitive smash. ._.