LINEA MICRA - La Marzocco Just Killed The Mini

[@mauriciomucino1015]

I don't think It will kill the mini, I think the mini is still king in the light comercial setting, like small bakery centric cafes

[@TheFrayman]

You're exactly correct, that said, I can't wait for get one for my home.

[@bellavista643]

I agree with your analysis & I just bought the Micra in white & love it 😊

[@TheFrayman]

@@bellavista643 where did you buy it how much?

[@jawn_1086]

But that’s why they have the linea classic 1 group

[@JonFairhurst]

I expect that they will keep the Mini for pop up stands and small commercial locations. Personally, I chose the Mini over its competitors for the 3.5L boiler. I don’t have large gatherings often, but love being able to smash the drink service around the holidays. That said, the Mini is a really big machine for the home counter. The “Meecra” is a much friendlier size. But I’m keeping my Mini. 😎

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah, I’d say if the Mini stays it should be a LM commercial offering over a home option.

[@totallynotserious]

I disagree. Particularly when you see the structure of their commercial machine options. You have EE (manual on or off for brewing), AV (auto volumetric), ABR (Auto brew ratio/integrated scales) and MP (Manual paddle). Both the micra and the mini are EE machines. They wont coexist for long IMO. The GS3 with its volumetrics (AV) is much better suited for commercial applications along with larger steam and coffee boilers. If you decide you want to emphasize quality in a commercial environment over workflow, get the GS3 MP to be able to pressure profile. The mini is likely going to be phased out as a result, just like they're doing with the Linea Classic in favor of the Classic S. And besides, if people can rock events and popups with a breville dual boiler, the Micra will be more than enough for a lot of those contexts.

[@nichj487]

Or they’ll just push those customers towards a GS3?

[@JonFairhurst]

@@nichj487 - The Mini is about $2,000 cheaper than the GS3 and might be better for transport. The knobs are a bit exposed, but everything else is within “the box.” The GS3 steam wand and group head are a bit exposed. I can see the volumetric version being good for cranking out the drinks thought. I used to have a Livia 90 volumetric, and it worked surprisingly well before we all fell in love with scales. The Mini is a real tweener though. It’s kinda home and kinda pro. But I kind of like that about it. I have no desire to downsize to the Micra. But shopping new today, I’m not sure that I would have saved up the additional funds for the Mini.

[@nichj487]

@@JonFairhurst All solid points. I’ve used my Linea Mini for some commercial events, and it’s definitely easier to transport than something like a GS3. I kinda wish they’d do a redesign of the Mini, and replace the paddle with the 3-button setup used on the Linea PB.

[@podargos505]

Hey Spro! Looks like a really well-done machine and the heat up times are certainly impressive. For me, that really scratches the itch for a beautiful, yet efficient home machine that's not too much of a computer (i.e. not a Decent). That said, there is one giant reason that makes we not want to get one and that is the login requirement for the app. Having no temperature control on the machine itself is almost a deal-breaker by itself, but hiding it behind an additional server that makes me dependent on LM's good will really doesn't sit right with me. Time will tell whether that is enough to keep me off the Micra (it is soooo tempting) but for now I'm managing to resist.

[@timojohn9773]

Yeah, thats like planned obsolescence for a machine costing and build to last multiple decades.

[@jettav88]

What would you buy instead, besides the Decent or Lelit? Thanks!

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I’m with you. The app is a nice addition but it shouldn’t be a requirement for basic functionality like temperature adjustments. And to be honest, the app itself can be pretty spotty and finicky so there isn’t always a guarantee it’ll work. But that said the machine is solid, and I’m sure you’d be happy with it in terms of what it can produce.

[@Crazt]

@@Sprometheus, I often call myself a nerd, looking for cool gadgets to makes my homeofe easier. My automatic vacuum is a life saver. That does mean I want a computer operating every appliance in my home. A fridge works just fine without a video camera and monitor on the door. This goes for small appliances like a coffee/espresso machine. An alarm clock to start the brew is more than enough, and possibly a lazy automatic espresso machine is fine too.

[@nichj487]

@@Sprometheus 100%. When I bought my Mini, one of the big incentives is that it’s a “buy it for life” kind of machine. Who knows if this app will still be around in 20+ years.

[@user-lg2jm9zg6l]

Sure, the Micra is going to cannibalize some (a lot of?) Mini sales, but I think that it's going to capture significantly more sales that would have gone to machines from other manufacturers. The Mini will be more niche, but will stick around in that small cafe/coffee cart market.

[@Sprometheus]

I think there is some truth to that. The Micra may bring in more folks that maybe wrote of LM to begin with, but the enthusiast market I think will end up maybe going to a different machine due to lack of control. The Mini itself would be better suited to move over to the commercial side of LM and be sold by them and not home.

[@nichj487]

Absolutely agree. I know two people who have been pining for a Mini for years, but always saw it as being too large for their domestic kitchens. They both bought Micras this week.

[@DrDankoff]

I'm in that group. The MINI was just a little too big for my aesthetics (DownTown TownHouse), always felt a little "unnecessary" in terms of features to explain its size (pulling commercial all day) etc ... I'm this Machine's Market, my lever is an Olympia Cremina, overpriced for nothing more than quality, pleasure, and aesthetics. I chose the Cremina for build, quality of parts, reputation, the company, unique aesthetics, and personal pleasure of use. I would chose a MICRA for build, quality of parts, reputation, the company, unique aesthetics, and personal pleasure of use. Is it all logic, nope. Am I a client where LM has canibalized itself, no, because I just couldn't bring myself to get the LMLM despite being exposed to it several times. I'm a a client they've gained, not displaced.

[@jaychu3850]

Yep…I was looking at a Bianca V3 in white which is $3500 US… now Micra is in same ball park. Do I want one of many E61 machines out there or a one of a kind? The warm up and ease of using an app on my phone rather than toggling through a tiny lcd screen is also huge. People complain about lack of flow but now with programmable low flow… winner!

[@house9850]

I would have got a mini but it was the price. As a long time Silvia user I updated to the Silvia pro x for $2k. I agree they are trying to lower price to compete with the prosumer dual boiler market, but the plastic snap on crap is unacceptable at $3900

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah, I get you. The cap doesn’t feel premium that’s for sure. I like the idea, and understand the reasoning, but it just doesn’t do it for me in the long run.

[@totallynotserious]

Honestly, 90% of people just toss the spouted portafilters in favor of a bottomless for home use anyways, so that's kindof a moot point. Those 90% of people are just going to do the same thing now, but instead of an entire portafilter, it'll just be a piece of plastic that ends up in the back of the junk drawer. Less waste and overall usability for people who are going to be using their machines is a good move in my book.

[@house9850]

@@totallynotserious that's a fair point, thumbs up

[@TheHalo14aus]

@@totallynotserious True, personally I like the feedback that the bottomless provides.

[@tictocbang7443]

@@totallynotserious In that case, they should send the machine with a bottomless filter and offer a metal adapter for those who want it. The plastic is absurd, especially on a premium machine.

[@kawf.fee27]

I have wrestled with this for a bit ever since it came out. The price on the Micra is a huge win. However, the size of the Linea Mini, and the space that it takes is truly a sight to behold when I wake up first thing in the morning. Though both are technically the same, I’m leaning towards the Linea Mini as my home machine just because of how beastly it looks

[@HOTON]

Yes! Big Bold Beautiful:)

[@shawnshamgar6864]

I second that

[@LaSombraa]

Micra > everything!

[@GATonTrax]

I'll Have to start a savings strategy... found my goal machine.

[@paul--b]

I think they’ll release a new Mini at some stage in the next few years with new features that push it up the price scale a bit more, and increase the differentiation with the Micra.

[@Sprometheus]

That’s possible. But at what point does a mini with more features and a higher price begin to cannibalize the GS3? I think it would better suit the business to have distinctly different units in terms of price/features.

[@andrewffay]

Programmable profiling, like the VA E1

[@liorgonnen]

As an ex Linea Mini owner - The decision to spend $6K on a home espresso machine, making just 2-3 cappuccinos a day was a hard call to make and came after months of research. Watching an endless number of KZbin videos, reddit threads, etc. The verdict is pretty much unanimous: It's not a financial decision that "makes sense", but it is (almost) the only machine that will relieve that itch of crazy coffee lovers from "wanting more" (Does anyone upgrade from a Mini to a GS3 or a Rocket R Nine One?). It gives you peace of mind. It's repeatedly referred to as an "end-game" machine. I think that cutting the price by $2K, makes this a much more sensible buy, and even if it will cannibalize 90% of mini sales (for commercial use you still want the Mini...), it's much more likely to make more revenue for La Marzocco in the long-term, because although more expensive, it can now compete with the ECM Synchronika, Rocket R58, and others in that price range. (As a side-note, I find it kinda (just kinda) similar to how Tesla started with the Roadster, to sponsor the production of the Model S, followed by the more accessible Model 3). I think the insulated steam wand, and the detachable water tank are excellent upgrades. I believe this is an *excellent* business decision by La Marzocco, and if nothing else, a decision that will soooo many coffee lovers happy.

[@flare9612]

If in the end you're not buying any new machine, that decision makes sense. Bought GCP, aimed Lelit Bianca, got Lelit Bianca, now ogling at this beauty. I don't have the budget (just yet), but had I have it, LMLM would be my very first pick. Second best was VA E1 Prima. The only (so I've heard) disadvantage for LMLM is its price. So technically if you got one, it's not a disadvantage anymore, you're pretty much set for the lifetime of the machine.

[@mattsantiago]

That’s my case. I’ll definitely buy a Micra and my main reason is due to space constraints.

[@andreyartsisheuski1011]

@@flare9612 I've recently purchased the Lelit Bianca, also have the La Pavoni Europiccola with the pressure gauge kit. Would you seriously consider a machine w/o the pressure kit after having played with the Bianca (for example)? R9 One would be the next step for me (I enjoy playing with the paddle), the GS3 seems a bit ugly and outdated (but that's subjective). Maybe for capuccinos any 9bar machine would work fine...

[@flare9612]

@@andreyartsisheuski1011 honestly not really. Idk why having a pressure paddle isn't something that i appreciate. Maybe my skill is not up there yet. That being said, LMLM doesn't actually offer anything of significant value compared to Bianca. So most probably I will not upgrade anymore. My budget will next go to my grinder.

[@andreyartsisheuski1011]

@@flare9612 i've been making very pleasant shots on both the La Pavoni and the Bianca at 4..6 bars - with long and accurate preinfusion (10-15 sec easily). And I support the idea with upgrading the grinder - waiting for my DF83 to arrive! Using a manual one (JE Plus) for now.

[@firepuncher1]

Going to take a Devil's Advocate posture here. I predict they will pivot and present the Mini as a small shop commercial unit. Which will allow the higher MSRP. The Micra then slips in more comfortably as a true middle/high home barista machine. Conceivably the long game plan from the start. As an entrepreneur of over 35 years, I like it 👌🏻

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I’m with you, if there is a place for the Mini in LMs lineup in the future it’ll be on LM’s commercial side and not for home.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

The funny things is that it's not even small for a commercial, single group machine.

[@Raditram]

In My Country where the Mini is way too expensive for home use, Small Cafe is where its at, I see sooo many of them, and They're very capable as that. The Micra will not be able to keep up after a certain number of drinks for light commercial use. What I wish is a cheaper version of GS3 where users can do either flow or pressure profiling under $4000.

[@drdavediehl1]

I have a mini, I have owned it for 2 years. I happen to live in Fort Wayne, IN. And was able to pull a few shots on the new micra at launch. I honestly like it more than my mini. It just seemed better. Specifically, the size for a home countertop is much better. The mini works, but completely fills the space. The micra just works better in the same space. The steam wand is much better, cool to the touch, smoother steam flow.. Frothing was easier and smoother. Pulling a shot was just the same, but all else seemed more simple. I’m a fan. Wish it was around 2 years ago.

[@Hogtym]

Glad you had the chance to test the machine. It is really hard to spend almost $4k on an espresso machine without testing it.

[@stevenzucchi]

Thanks for the info, I'm leaning towards the Micra

[@magicos1000]

Best review I’ve seen compared with the rest out there. I don’t like it as much as the mini but it’s okey, they kept the essential parts and they reduced the price a little bit. It’s fine

[@Pyr0tube]

The price makes this machine really unattractive to me. I know people will point to build quality, but there's plenty of well built machines out there that have way more features that cost a lot less than this thing.

[@ericanderson1753]

That’s one way of looking at it, to be sure. I’m probably in your camp. But certainly there is a market of folks who were willing to buy the Mini at $2k more, and this will seem to them like a massive discount.

[@KnowledgePerformance7]

Basically this or a Decent, I can't see any reason to get this over a Decent

[@Psychoh90]

I agree. If I could afford 4k for a would have gladly spend the bit more for the mini. Unless I have no space for the mini. Moreover I hate the steam wand on the micra. Won’t ever pay 4k unless I think it’s perfect for me.

[@shawnsgear]

@@KnowledgePerformance7 that’s the beauty of this beautiful world we live in. We all have a choice. Both are great machines. I doubt LM would release this at this price point without doing some research. I’m sure there will be plenty of folks who buy this machine. The decent has way more functionality, and I can see how it would be a great option for many people. However, I bet there are a lot of people out there who would buy the Micra over the decent purely based on looks alone. So that’s one reason I can see folks buying the Micra over the decent. Others will say stuff like LM has a rich history and they trust them more, or they prefer the simplicity. Personally, I’d love to try a decent out, but I worry if I had one, I wouldn’t have the time to enjoy all of its features.

[@mikni4069]

Where I live it’s cheaper then a Decent… it’s also very different machines one is like meant to last and just continues deliver the same result, the other a high technology advanced machine with all bells and whistles and with whatever downside of that.

[@johnp.1460]

I really appreciate this video as I ordered the Micra because it appears to be the perfect machine for me. (I’m currently using a Rocket Mozzafiato R.) While the Decent is intriguing, I don’t relish the Android data/tech overload first thing in the morning before coffee. I also have space - especially height - constraints in my city kitchen, so the Micra is the first La Marzocco machine that will fit in my space. Honestly, I don’t mind having to use the app to control temperature; in fact, to me it seems more convenient and precise as I always have my iPhone nearby. However, I don’t think the Mini will disappear as it’s still a great catering tool.

[@chriskvikstad4980]

A year later, how do you like the Micra compared to your previous Rocket Mozzafiato R? Is it a noticeable improvement? I was originally looking at upgrading to the Rocket Mozzafiato R, which then led me to consider the R58 and Lelit Bianca v3 instead, but now I'm thinking the Micra might be the best choice for me. I really like the color options and I would either get the red or yellow version. My Alfa Forni woodfire pizza oven is a gorgeous, powdercoated Italian yellow and the Micra would be a perfect complement to it. My grinder is the Eureka Mignon Specialita in red, so the red Micra would also look great next to it.

[@johnp.1460]

@@chriskvikstad4980 In a word, the Micra is brilliant. While that might sound like hyperbole, trust me it’s not. I still have my Mozzafiato to which I added the Luca flow control, just to be able to play around with it. As a curious point of comparison, I brought my Rocket back out last week to run a couple of shots to compare it to the Micra. I quickly put it back as the espresso just cannot compare to the LM. It wasn’t even close. It’s a joy to use, it’s utterly competent but simple and straightforward, it’s very consistent, and it produces marvelous espresso shot after shot. Steaming power is off the charts; many users have to dial it back, but I like living dangerously so I use it at its maximum setting. Cup clearance is not an issue for me at all, and the app is fine. I use it daily. As I am one of those who needs coffee to make coffee in the morning, I need a machine that is super competent but straightforward while I am waking up. It seems like the ideal machine for me. I paired it with a Lagom P64, and they complement each other very well. One huge benefit of buying from La Marzocco Home in the US that I did not anticipate is its stellar customer support. Early on, I had an unusual warranty claim and they not only ordered the part for me but quickly sent a professional technician to my house to make the repair. I couldn’t believe it! No shipping heavy, expensive equipment, no downtime, no hassle. Moreover, when I have had questions or needed in-depth information, they have been super responsive and enthusiastically helpful. Would I make the same purchase again knowing what I now know? In a heartbeat.

[@dannyquiroz5777]

That basket flex at 0:13 is 🤯

[@surindhatalwatte8176]

100% agree from a business perspective makes total sense. This will compete more directly against the Profitecs, ECMs, Rockets etc. and offer build and prestige at a slight premium. The Mini is now too expensive sitting on its ow in the market.

[@LJ-wo1wf]

You answered my question, which was, "What can't be done without the app?" Relying solely on software for any functionality says to me that it's not a lifetime product, not unless they have hired permanent staff to maintain and upgrade the app over the years. And every company that's not a tech company doesn't give me the confidence that they're prepared to maintain software. Big minus points for the Micra, IMO, and so I'd rather swing for the Mini.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah that was a big surprise to me as well. I like the machine, but LM has a lot of work to do with the app. It’s a bit of a cluster and I worry about it’s long term functionality and even daily usability. It took me 10 or so tries on each machine I had (3 at the time) to upgrade the software as the app crashed or failed over and over.

[@AdastraRecordings]

The Mini always suffered from not really being that mini, there appears to be a push to scale all the kit down in size and power consumption.

[@Sprometheus]

For sure, I get that. But wonder why they didn’t just shrink the mini and instead a whole new machine…

[@darrenc.3263]

I think they will grow the market for this kind of machine. As someone who fell into the rabbit hole of home espresso via a Breville Dual Boiler, the jump in price to a Mini was massive...three times the cost of the Breville DB where I live. The Micra brings all that I would want in a high end machine with less of a jump. But still...$3900 for a machine that won't revolutionize the taste of my coffees, I'll wait until my Breville gives up the ghost before jumping onto this bandwagon.

[@jaychu3850]

It’s just sooooooo much sexier than a Breville tho 😂…but that’s what LM is all about right…pride of ownership. It’s like having a Ferrari in the garage…you just like looking at it.

[@darrenc.3263]

@@jaychu3850 no arguments there! Money no limit...it would be near the top of my list for a beautiful machine.

[@James-ej7yd]

now it's $5900. yikes

[@BaristaManiac]

Thanks for doing this informative video. I am a mini owner and very pleased with the video coverage you did on the Micra. I hope they don't get rid of the mini for catering, wedding and shops. The mini offers a fair price for big production in my opinion. Regardless to that I am shocked that the weight is only a small difference. That's crazy!

[@stevenzucchi]

Great Review! I was leaning towards the Micra and you did a good job of providing some extra details and measurements that really helped with my decision. TY

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

For me It would be very hard to spend $3900 and not get flow control. You can mod it into the cheapest of machines for only a few bucks, and yet some of the behemoths don’t have it in any form.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah, I think that’s where they tend to lose the enthusiast market, and as I got more and more into espresso I found myself wanting more control. I guess another question would be, is LM out of touch with what the market wants or are they looking to get other people who are passive espresso fans with disposable income in on the game?

[@totallynotserious]

There is, just a question of swapping out Gicleurs.

[@nakulgandhi95]

It seems like Apple to me. Might miss some features but it’s tough to beat the quality and function of its products.

[@Wellspicedchaffinch]

@andrew-wp1bz which machine has best flow control?

[@Andrew-wp1bz]

@@Wellspicedchaffinch the Lelit Bianca is generally considered a good value pick with flow control.

[@christopherschaefer8279]

Could LM be getting ready to, instead of "axe" the Mini, update it and capture some of the new niceties of the Micra's design? A Mini refresh, if you will. But perhaps, Asa, you're right. Perhaps LM has increased the price of thier flagship product only to intentionally canabilize it with this new product.

[@Sprometheus]

Only time will tell! It’ll be interesting to see how it all comes out!

[@error.418]

This price without flow or pressure control doesn't make sense in the modern espresso prosumer range that this price seems to fit into

[@Swimmingforlife.]

Great video and thank you for posting it. I have a 20 month old Linea Mini, sadly this is its 4th breakdown, packed in again at Christmas😢. My machine has had a new board, numerous problems with water overheating, engineer blamed the LM app!, eventually it went away for 2, yes 2 months for repair. On Christmas Eve it popped all the power in my house, checked trip switches, coffee machine socket, machine won’t heat now, checked all resets, none have popped at all. Sadly LM are closed till the 9th of January, by the time it’s all repaired, I’m not expecting it to be back till February, I think it’s been a Friday afternoon build, really disgusted by this machine. Keep up the good work, I just love your videos, maybe you could recommend a good reliable machine for me?. Kind regards Johnny

[@prometheuslg]

as a Linea Mini user, the short steam wand, and the short space under the spouts make the micra a non viable option from a design point of view for me. I already struggle with cups selection if I want to pour a double shot or a milk based drink on a scale. Raising the front part of the machine (or the whole unit except the cup holder plate to fit under more cabinets) would have made it a more compelling offer as it would have solved both issues. On top of that, the plastic bottom of the portafilter will push most people to buy a standard full metal one , increasing therefore the already high price for a home appliance. Lelit, Rocket and other E61 brands are probably offering more compelling prossumer espresso options at this point, with lower prices. I think it calls for a rethink of the mini in terms of usability and functionality rather than the death of this range. A lowered or shallower drip tray (or even better a drip tray with an adjustable hight like a lowrider) with an active control paddle could be a way to differenciate the mini from the micra. But as it is, the micra feels like a small sensor Leica camera. The recent red and white limited edition of the mini also feels like a safari edition of the same Leica cameras. It is more about milking the logo than steaming the milk. I am not sure about this strategy.

[@davidhunternyc1]

La Marzocco had the opportunity with the Linea Micra to engineer a proper paddle to regulate pre-infusion. Instead, we get the same old paddle that's a simple on/off switch. People love the Linea Mini but the number one complaint about it is the fake paddle. La Marzocco could've improved the Micra but decided not to. Competition has grown exponentially. Big mistake. Still, it will be great to see custom Micra's by Specht Design.

[@davtona]

THIS!^^^. The serious home espresso market has divided into Lever or Flow control, LM making a brand new top end price (check out ECM) machine that does neither is pointless. Did LM actually check what the most common mods were to their machines after market? No, a fully functioning FC paddle á la GS3 is the option punters want. Sometimes the Italians do my head in making machines that only suit their preferred dark roast coffees. FFS!

[@themrgumbatron]

In my opinion, The Mini is a true Prosumer product, and could even be used in a low volume commercial environment, while the Micra is purely positioned at domestic users.

[@34doubleds]

I wouldn’t mind this but I love my Rocket and the spout is on the left side (I’m left-handed). This would be comparable with an Appartmento except I would prefer a shot clock. The low clearance of the portafilter spout is also a concern as taller cups will come into contact when you remove it.

[@amitarunkumar]

good point to the point review. How about this scenario for the future of these machines - So micra takes mini spot, LM add profiling (pressure or volume) to the mini (as the paddle is already there) and charge more, and then add much more to the GS3 (I don't have it so not sure what all they could add to that but I am sure they can add more to it) and then charge more for that as well..

[@milkedway]

Came to the comments to say the same thing. A big reason I didn't go with an LMLM or GS3 is that LM keeps their home capable machines super behind in the latest features. I couldn't justify the cost for a machine that felt less capable than competitors at similar price points.

[@droidtigger]

I've been holding out for your review! Short, succinct, and honest. Is there a reason to go for the mini anymore?

[@2deparrish]

Appreciably better portafiller to cup/drip tray clearance, larger steam boiler and water reservoir, and ability to keep producing shots with no loss in temperature stability. As a Mini owner, I certainly think the size of the Micra is much more kitchen-friendly. But the compromises they chose in terms of cup clearance (many of us use a scale beneath the cup) and portafilter design give cause for pause. I will wait for more user reviews. My main gripes with my Mini are the size (I have a small kitchen) and the difficultly of performing some basic maintenance. With the Micra, they seen to have improved size and user-friendliness in many ways (including maintenance accessibility) while maintaining the La Marzocco expectations for quality.

[@droidtigger]

@@2deparrish thanks for the great overview. I feel like there have been a few compromises in build quality, with the switch being referred to as "toy-like". When spending that kind of money you're more than bezzera, ECM and profitec, which have no plastic at all (I appreciate it's a different machine styles, however).

[@lanceklein2746]

You are right - I have been getting a lot of suggestions from “the algorithm” about the Linea Micra! Is it because I watch your channel religiously and they know I would be interested?!?

[@gerard3797]

To me the biggest disadvantage of the Linea Micra is that in order to realize the smaller footprint, they used a 5m long!!! copper tube that is coiled around the stainless steel boiler to preheat the water going to the brew boiler. This pipe with an internal volume of around 250ml essentially works as a boiler, unlike the Mini that uses a short HX element going through the steam boiler. Also, the contact area of that copper tube is about 5 times higher than a normal cilinder boiler of a similar volume. So to conclude 250ml of water is permanently heated and exposed to a 5 times larger surface area than a normal copper boiler and that water (sometimes standing there for a full day or more) is than used to make your espresso with. No thanks, I will stick with the fresh water in my HX machine and save up for the Mini instead.

[@maybeshewill13]

I make a few 14oz lattes every day, how bad is the steam wand? This is holding me back honestly. Also, the clearance... I already struggle to fit a small cortado glass on a scale under my Mara X, what are people pulling a double shot into on a scale under the Micra?

[@bernardoduran5109]

Just 3” of headspace under the group head? That alone is a deal breaker. If the 4.5” in linea Mini was already annoying, imagine a reduction of 33% in that critical space. Ridiculous

[@Carmagical]

The micra is beautiful, but imo the Decent just wins at this price point. More programmable settings and longer steam wand. Someone who wants cafe consistency will love this machine though.

[@Sprometheus]

I’m with you. If you want functions the Decent wins, but it doesn’t that over nearly any machine. I think this one is in its own market, similar price point or not.

[@Carmagical]

@@Sprometheus this is true. You cannot beat the aesthetics and build quality of a la marzoco machine.

[@thewobblyninja]

I'll stick to my mini for the cup clearance, and its proven ability to handle small cafe, back to back brew flow. Micra is definitely interesting, but at the moment, I'm not replacing my mini with it.

[@randomchannel323]

Yeah I see this machine for someone on a smaller budget

[@filthy-casual]

The cup clearance is identical

[@hellsacolyte]

Great video man! Loved that transparent overlay shot with the milk jug. The price is a big difference, but I just don't like the plastic knobs and slider. The wood accents are much nicer imo. That's probably fixable real quickly on Etsy sooner than later I guess.

[@janewang7780]

Glad there is Micra now😂 I am thinking of saving money for a mini machine in a few years, but now Micra is more affordable. Thanks for your review, very helpful!

[@alanroderick7153]

Thank you. Most thoughtful take on the Micra that I have watched. Thank you. Temp via Bluetooth only seems weird (to me). Will be interesting to see if other manufacturers/OEM bring similar portafilter to market. Maybe I should do some research on possible for alternative shots (London, styles etc) that can be done.

[@Sprometheus]

Thanks Alan. And I’m sure there have been a lot of takes, but I can’t help but feel like mine is a little more nuanced having used the Mini for so long and really being able to look at them separately. I will be curious to see how/if the convertible portafilter catches on. I have to be honest, I’m no clamoring to get one myself just yet.

[@Coco-hi3iq]

Who wants a plastic porta filter cap! Yuk! Thank you for pointing this issue out!

[@s0041464]

I agree with everything you say except the linea mini is here to stay. The Micra’s size really just makes it feel like a toy next to the mini. The group clearance is a killer for the pro-sumer enthusiast looking for the closest cafe-at-home experience. I’d love to see the introduction of a manual paddle for the mini but you never know

[@totallynotserious]

You want a cafe experience at home, and are a prosumer, and are willing to spend 6k on a machine. Just get a gs3 and never think about it again. Either the AV or the MP depending on your flavor of prosumer.

[@Sprometheus]

It’s possible they move the Mini to the commercial side, which I guess isn’t killing it, but more so reincarnation. But I think on the home side it’s on its last legs. But yeah, I think the shrunk down size is purely for a home person who is focused on fitting it into their kitchen, and have bought it long before they realize they can’t fit their mug under it, haha.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@@totallynotserious if you're not pushing huge volume at home, I think a lot of people will choose the Mini over the GS3 on looks alone. I wouldn't want that thing in my kitchen unless it had a very industrial design.

[@AbelandVictoria]

@@veganpotterthevegan gs3 is ugly lol. The mini is home espresso in its most prestigious form

[@BugejaMarvin]

@@Sprometheus you're so right about the cup clearance! If my calculations are correct, once I insert the timemore 3cm heigh scales, there would only be about 4cm of clearance for the cup to the spout! That's not even enough for a typical single Italian shot espresso cup, let alone a 150ml cappuccino cup (6cm heigh). How could they make such a "mistake"? Are people not weighing their shots anymore? ... Can anyone with an actual micra measure the actual cup clearance please (tray to lower point of spout).

[@elioteliotness9143]

what interests me is whether the steam on the micra is as efficient and dry as the mini.☺️

[@kevindarby8799]

As one of the few Micra reviews showing an actual shot being pulled and general workflow, i appreciate you lol Serious question/thought though. The micra seems to be written off by many "nO fLoW coNtRol at 4k?! but fail to see what it does offer to the market. I'm curious what other machines occupy the "DB, Rotary pump, full PID controls, serious steam, etc" segment and is NOT AN E61" for less than $5k. All that comes to mind, really, is the Vivaldi series and giving up plumbing you have the Pro 300 and Silva prox types. For those that want a plumbable DB machine without [chrome box] E61 group, the market seems pretty small...

[@cheekster777]

Thank you my friend.

[@Sprometheus]

Of course! Thanks for watching and have a good weekend!

[@amazonianballer8800]

So this machine cannot be used commercially? I was thinking of buying the Micra instead of Mini but am still unsure for a light commercial use

[@p6x2]

I was unable to purchase a La Cimbali Junior DT1 because it required a direct water inlet, thus requiring a water filter, necessitating breaking the wall to get piping were I wanted it. The La Marzocco Mini would have been the perfect replacement has it had a water tank. But it was too tall to fit underneath the kitchen cabinet where I had space to fit it. Now with the Micra, I will finally be able to get a La Marzocco....

[@sloperaly]

There’s no doubting the look of LaMarzocco no matter which one your pocketbook empties out on and the goal is delicious coffee so when you get down to it you are debating cost because machines like the Bianca in tandem with an excellent grinder put out excellent coffee at a fraction of the price and it’s great fun. So I think the debate is over price and style here

[@oliverjordyperezescamilla1211]

Do you think the Micra is good enough for a small coffee shop? Or how would the Mini outperforms the Micra in a small commercial environment?

[@harryawilder909]

The LM is freaking awesome . I got one and I wouldn’t trade it for a Slayer, Decent or Micra . It’s a beast that’s easily handled. Get one and you’ll never regret it. It’s not the diminutive offspring!

[@James-ej7yd]

what did you pay? did the price to up to 5900 from 3900?

[@therealnickstephenson]

As a LM Mini owner, I can't imagine wanting the micra - in fact, I want something bigger! - but I agree 100% this is a smart move to get more people into the LM eco-system (and more importantly keep them there, which they are experts at for good reason). I can also potentially enjoy the prospect of LM killing production on the mini and ending up with a machine that's a collectable... but I love my mini, and now I just need to figure out a way to justify getting a Linea Classic LOL. Great move, La Marzocco!

[@strouth64]

As a newbie, I’m curious, why would you want something bigger? Is it about needing to make a lot of espresso in a short period of time for entertaining, or something? I’m just looking for something for my wife and me. Is there a reason that I might still want something bigger?

[@Espresso_Breath]

@@strouth64 its a dangerous rabbit hole to fall into LOL. Ever had a fast car, then become numb to how fast it is and then want the next thing up? Welcome to the espresso game where your need for endless gear never ends haha

[@sknli]

@@strouth64 For home use, the only reason would be for more features since the mini is a bit simple in that regard. I've had my mini for 2 years and I love it, have no issues pulling multiple shots over and over for family and friends.

[@alexc8512]

Well for me now that I saw this I am considering it. $3000 is much more reasonable for my budget as someone in his 20s. $6000 is just more than I would even feel comfortable saving for. I think they want to expand their market share which will inevitably increase their marketing.

[@GOekks]

Now i can buy a Mini second hand

[@Sprometheus]

I’m sure they will start hitting the market in larger numbers, that is one bright side

[@popovic5463]

Great review. Thanks. Do you plan to review Strada EP 1 group or Leva X 1 group machines in the future ?

[@Sprometheus]

I’d love to put those side by side. I’ll see if LM will even talk to me after this one hah.

[@popovic5463]

@@Sprometheus I think your opinion is well justified ,cause I also think there was not a demand for a smaller machine other than a Linea Mini rather than for it to be cheaper.But I sure hope they wouldn't.

[@jules5350]

I will still go with the mini with a gear pump upgrade.

[@Sprometheus]

That’s always a solid play.

[@macehead]

Gonna hold out for them to drop the "Ultra Nano". Maybe that one will be in my price range..........

[@Sprometheus]

Haha the Linea Nano, maybe it could be attached to a lanyard so you can take with you wherever you go.

[@macehead]

@@Sprometheus lol

[@Danbin14]

Do you know that the ad at the start of the video is Clooney promoting Nespresso ? 😂 I was looking forward to your opinion, not disappointed.

[@tomscott4438]

And then the Mini got a major update, and all is right in the kingdom.

[@DavidLikesCoffee]

I think the size alone makes the machine very attractive. Especially if you live in a city with a smaller kitchen and need to fit it under some cabinets, a smaller footprint with similar feature set is a huge win.

[@error.418]

At this price point I'd just get a Decent...

[@Screenager48]

Nice, I hope you got to talk to Dave Bise at LM. Dude is dope and was so helpful when I got my GS3. Thoughts: How have they released a new machine and still haven't improved the ability to notify you of a low water tank. c'mon! lol Also, I agree. The micra does have major potential of killing the mini. And maybe that's the plan. Also, in some way it might be a good business move because if the price point deters people from getting the mini, the micra may allow many more people to want to buy in and perhaps turn a greater profit by simply selling more units. And by then, if you want to get a better machine, just going for the GS3 would be the move. A lot of thoughts, but I'm happy to see where this is going.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah Dave has been very helpful. At this point I’ve chatted with nearly everyone on staff at LM home. All solid people. And yeah, kind of wild they haven’t done away with that water level reminder. But it does tell you on the app too hahah.

[@Screenager48]

@@Sprometheus get this. I bought my GS3 the month before they started selling them as built-in units. I swear to god lmao

[@Oracleidol8]

Could you tell me if there is any difference in steam and hot boiler tanks? If I want to use them for commercial purposes which one should I buy? I have a linea mini so I am very curious

[@IcemanYVR]

I've been waiting for your take, but I'm already sold. It's the perfect machine for me and the way I make my coffee. Just trying to figure out how to get one in Canada. Just throw away those "useless" plastic modular portafilter pieces, add some wood accents and I'm set.

[@FrankRusso-l3r]

Hi. Will you be making a video about the new Linea Mini?

[@philiphall8368]

I am surprised that the lack of clearance under the portafilter for a cup and a scale isn't a deal killer for everyone on the Micra? How can you accurately espresso without a scale? Am I missing something?

[@s96822]

will defend LM on this one. old school espresso / cappuccino. visit italy's many cafes and not likely you will see many scales, distro devices, levelers, thermometers, etc. just solid espresso the traditional way

[@dmitryikondratov4079]

Thank you for the video! is linea mini holder compatible with linea micra? do they have the same brew groups?

[@rcpmac]

Insulated steam wands are actually about keeping milk from overheating. The burn thing while true, isn't the point but was made up by salespeople (reviewers). I'm glad to see that this reviewer correctly referred to the shot paddle as a switch, which it is' even though it, like the mini, only emulates the direct flow control paddle of its biggest brother. Marzocco could just as well be more honest and use a toggle

[@MrFreemansers]

And I just recently ordered an LMLM and I'm waiting for it to come to me ... but here it turns out there is a more compact model, and even for less money .....

[@grutzmac]

Can you use a standard Portafilter in this machine?

[@stavroskypraios2014]

I am just a humble guy with flair 58 and lagom p64 and probably wont upgrade to anything soon besides from a milk steamer solution. So micra feels indifferent to me in this price range. Actually its price is at the range of a decent and i know... not everyone likes the fuss or too many options but in both you can keep it simple although the extra features continue to exist in decent's case. Micra would make sense at least 1000-1500$ less so to be affordable to home baristas and value for money.

[@jettav88]

Same set up with the Nanofoamer, and it works great!

[@stavroskypraios2014]

@@jettav88 I have nanofoamer too works very nice and easy, but I would like to upgrade to a real steamer... nanofoamer works perfect for my double cappuccino recipe but not so great for smaller portions like my flat white recipe but not bad though in any case. Definitely worth

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I think if they could’ve cut it down to even $3500 it would be more of a draw. In another year the increases that come along every February with LM will bump it over $4k and the process that happened to the mini will start again.

[@jhomrich89]

Couple things I things I think need to be addressed, that plastic piece on the portafilter absolutely NOT acceptable at that price (inexpensive for la marzocco but still a lot of money) just include a bottomless and double spout, and the weird position of the wand needs to be addressed as well, and I think a hidden PID kinda like they do on the rocket hx machines I think would be quite acceptable. Gives you manual control and ability to use the app.

[@johngilman760]

Excellent review as well as being insightful.

[@nicbrownable]

I don’t think they are concerned with cannibalising mini sales as much as the growing number of PID controlled dual boiler E61 machines. Bezzera, ECM etc have a very serious product that it is hard to overlook given the price difference. Whether or not you see merit in one machine/brand over the other is moot, the fact is, it is a heck of a leap up to the Mini so people are going to make choices.

[@jpbarista3253]

I was expecting for La Marzocco to release a machine in the range of $2,500.

[@captainawasome8985]

The Mini looks like a much better buy without plastic pipes and annoying apps.

[@ghas4151]

I’d say the Micra is the much better buy for the vast majority of home users. I’d personally only go for the Mini if you intend to use the machine commercially.

[@mrhoborz]

It's super cute, but lack of flow control is a deal breaker for me (if I were to spend that amount of money)

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I feel you, and with the Lelit Bianca V3 it’s hard to justify anything else in that range. I’ve got one for review soon, and I’ve been pretty impressed but it.

[@nicbrownable]

Flow control is mid. The espresso machine customer curve goes from the low end ‘just push a button and get a coffee’, through feature madness, and back to ‘just push a button’ again at the high end. Consistency is high value. Once I dial in, I want grind, tamp, great shot. I also want family and guests to be able to do the same with minimal training, just like most commercial machines.

[@mrhoborz]

@@nicbrownable I mean, I agree, and it's a feature that I won't use all the time, but I want the option, especially on a 4K machine

[@nicbrownable]

@@mrhoborz I mean, look at it this way. PID control came out of the enthusiast market, with people looking for thermal stability on small home machines that pressurestat control couldn’t achieve. Commercial and high end machines solved the same problem by adding brass, steel and this boiler/machine volume. There is a beauty and reliability in simplicity. PID ultimately proved more reliable than pressurestats, so became part of high end machines, but that market is feature adverse in general. But you are perfectly right. Don’t pay $4-6k for a machine without a feature you want when you can get that feature for less! LM buyers are not necessarily looking for a Swiss Army knife machine though.

[@mrhoborz]

@@nicbrownable Yeah, you're probably right... and at the end of the day just get what works for you. Different strokes and all that

[@bacca71]

Very nice review of this new and interesting machine. Quick question: If you were to take a standard portafilter assembly from a 'big boy' La Marzocco machine (GS3, Linea, GB5, FB80, etc.), will it lock into the Micra and extract? Looks for one thing like you'd have almost no clearance at all. Looks like 'small cups only.' What's the biggest La Marzocco (or VST or IMS) basket you can put in the Micra portafilter with a spout? (Else bottomless, I assume?) With that plastic portafilter quick-change assembly, heat transfer to the plastic part will be poor, so La Marzocco seems to be indicating the temperature of that part has no bearing on the quality of extraction (because the extraction is basically complete at that point). Don't like the clearance issue, the blue-tooth app being required to set/change temperature, or the plastic portafilter bit.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah you can put any LM portafilter in the Micra, everything group related is the same across the board with LM. In terms of basket size, the biggest I have is 22 and it seems to fit fine, but up to 24 you may issues. And yeah, the plastic portion gets a little warm, but not hot. I’d say it is true that the extraction has already taken place before it hits the spouts so I don’t think it makes a difference other than heat transfer. And yeah, the clearance is a pretty big hassle and I found myself having to use shot cups and pour them into my larger cups for cappuccinos, Cortados, etc.

[@bacca71]

@@Sprometheus Thanks for that - more very useful and candid info!

[@ginoderango2516]

Like the video quite a bit. Strongly considering this purchase. Want a high quality machine that is very easy. Would you suggest looking at any other machines.

[@louisd95714]

I agree to this. There should be no reason to purchase the Mini when the Micra is just as good, and costs less money. I am thinking that La Marzocco might want to re brand the Mini and target it for commercial use.

[@Sprometheus]

That’s most definitely an angle they could take. Just move it over to the commercial side.

[@davekimmell6739]

@@Sprometheusdon’t you think given where the home brew market is going it would have made more sense to make a scaled down GS3 to allow more pre infusion and other tweaking?

[@EugeneBuvard]

A lot of great things, especially the heating time but without flow profile or pre-infusion, it is too expensive!

[@Sprometheus]

Well it does have pre-infusion, but only if it’s plumbed in and on the application. But there are a lot machines that have more functionality that’s for sure.

[@skatcat31]

They're signaling they're going to use the mini to replace the Linea classic 1 group and keep the Mini as the single-group commercial machine.

[@gerlonggaul]

Mini has been in my wishlist for quite a while. RIP Mini

[@HMrory]

Thank you for the review. I was wondering the difference between the two. Micra would probably be in alot more peoples price point.

[@masneke6396]

Great content. As I understand your point, the technical differences between the Mini and the Micra are not worth the price difference of 2k. Two questions: 1. what if the difference would „only“ be 1k (what will happen next week here in Germany)? 2. You didn’t mention the fact that you likely won‘t be able to buy the Micro at your favourite dealer. Isn’t that a big disadvantage in your opinion? Thanks a lot!

[@ChrisinMoncton]

I think they’ll keep both with the Mini aimed at the light commercial market. The Micro for the high end home user.

[@FabEnPeOr2]

Great vid I liked the visuals and content❤ I'd have a question. I'm between machines and budgets since the stair escalates very quickly. I started looking for a profitec pro 400 the saw the Silvia prox but then I saw the profitec 800 yeah around 3k and since we have a similar machine with levers at work I got hooked but then I discovered the home machines from la marzocco... And here I am guessing and here comes my question. Besides the budget when should I get a mini or Micra o would I be satisfied by the other lower priced machines? I do espresso and flat whites 3-5 times a day off all would be at home. The only thing I wonder is if I should get now something like the Silvia (no pro) and start until I upgraded to a la marzocco? Profitec make also great ones haha I just would like to hear your opinion❤🙏🏼🙌🏻 if there is some info missing feel free to ask

[@miami_coto4668]

I own a mini and love it everything about it, wish was a little bigger to be honest. the Micra is a cute machine but does look cheap.

[@kimbridge5592]

$6000.00 in Australia. for the micra. very nice but to expensive for me.

[@sunvalleydrivemusic]

The steam wand is so small, and that’s kind of a turn off to me. I also don’t think it looks as good as the mini. It’s like the look got distorted when the dimensions got smaller. And let’s be honest, some of the mini appeal was the aesthetic. But to each his own. I don’t appreciate the mycra being a mere $500 cheaper than where the mini started. And finally, other reviewers mentioned the temp dropping after a few shots, but you didn’t mention that. Seems like purging and/or preheating the puck really drags out the process of what might end up being only 5 lattes in the morning (which is what our family does). As usual though, some great thoughts and shots. Thanks Spro!

[@aymannabawi2233]

Thanks a lot, dear

[@unstanic]

Wait. Let me get this straight. The only way to set the PID temp is through their app? WHY???

[@Markymark1408]

Great review, guessing Spro if you were to purchase one you would buy it in white ;-)

[@Sprometheus]

Maybe, this black was nice. But this one also comes in a super nice gray that matched the color in my logo and thumbnail text blocks.

[@Markymark1408]

@@Sprometheus yes I’ve seen the grey want to see them in person before buying one. Guessing no Black Friday sale expected

[@ruisearts]

The mini is still a standard in little coffee bars around the world, not just homes.

[@TheGrandMug]

I think LM is clearly retargeting the Mini at small cafes and coffee carts and such and now they hope you'll get the Micra for home use. Also mind blown at how much they've increased the price of the mini since 2015. 31%!!! I get inflation and stuff but thats just bonkers. That aside, as others have mentioned, this just doesn't seem like a very compelling package. $4000 for for a machine that still can't flow profile and can't be used in a commercial setting with any reliability, and with direct competitors costing almost $1k less. Aspirational is an understatement. LM "build quality" is really all they have to stand on and even that seems dubious with those little plastic portafilter spouts. Even at 3 grand, this wouldn't be an altogether great deal. I just think they missed the mark here. Some nice compatibility with the app for sure but I just don't know who would buy the most nerfed, bottom shelf version of a LM machine when they could get a top-shelf dual boiler from another brand for much less. Is anyone - besides Spro :p - really that big of a fanboy?

[@sandrodunatov485]

You can buy much more quick steel for a given (large) amount of money than Ferrari, there are plenty of muscular luxury cars available, yet people with real money still go for it despite such cars steering well clear of even remotely 'good deals'. LM realized they can still be king AND make more numbers AND make much more easy money, selling at double the price of similar 'competitors'. If you want some decent bang for your bucks buy a Breville or a Bianca.

[@TheGrandMug]

@@sandrodunatov485 If I want the Ferrari of espresso machines, am I going to go for the Micra or the GS3/Slayer single group? Those with infinite money and no compromise attitudes will buy the $10k+ machines without even thinking about it. Of all the espresso machines in LM's line up, If you're buying a Micra, price is probably at least a marginal concern to you, and likewise so are features. And frankly, I really don't think La Marzocco has the same industry clout as Ferrari, especially to home espresso enthusiasts. There are a number of brands that have been in the home espresso market for much longer that I think would lay claim to such a reputation. Anyway, this machine may end up appealing to rich people who know nothing about espresso other than wanting some aesthetic in their kitchen, but I don't think enthusiasts in the market will pay this much attention at all.

[@silasketgaskets8709]

Re; build quality, prestige, status... I also own an Olympia Cremina, the cult style rolls royce of home lever machines. i have also owned a la pavoni as well as faema lever. The quality of coffee is the same on the 3000 usd olympia as it is on the sub 1k la pavoni and faema though the faema is collectible and worth more. there is an outfit in holland that restores lots of old espresso machines and there is no lack of la marzocco machines in the mix. lots of brands would suggest those machines are also built for a lifetime. i bought the cremina in late 1980's at a sane price but no way is it worth todays price. I understand and do respect LM though it's aesthetic is not to my personal liking. The one machine i would have liked to have was the la san marco 95 single or double group. I like the aesthetic.

[@TheGrandMug]

@@silasketgaskets8709I'm jealous of that Olympia Cremina! And agreed, there are PLENTY of brands that build their machines to last. I have an old Bezzera BZ02, built in '04 and that thing is still firing on all cylinders. Have had the safety valves replaced as well as the pressure stat, but that's it. A good espresso machine is inherently easily repairable with relatively cheap, non-proprietary parts. Also agreed, definitely not saying I don't respect La Marzocco (Ive worked with many of them at cafes and they are definitely workhorses) but far be them from the only company to make high quality espresso machines. And they are only an "aspirational" brand because of their heritage machines. The GS3 is an insane machine for home use and thus justifies the price, and the Mini is also completely overbuilt for home use. These machines are why people respect them. If they build a lower-end, home-oriented machine, it will be judged on that scale. I'm not automatically giving them "La Marzocco" points just cause it has their name on it.

[@PaulJones-wh2ml]

USA inflation 2015 to 2023 is approximately 29%. If the Mini has gone up only 30% in this time that seems pretty fair. I thought the rise in price (USD $4k to $6k?) may have been greater than this but I also guess Italian inflation and wage costs may also have risen significantly over this time. I’m keen on the Micra but $6k AUD for me. I’ll get one when or if my ECM hx dies. Currently still going strong after about 7 years.

[@3rd-Wave_Rebel]

The micra is not an upgrade but rather priced at an affordable price that is still premium to some.

[@josephstephen2010]

It’s a sexy machine, to be sure. But like the rest of these fine folks, the lack of flow control, stubby steam wand, and low cup clearance makes $3900 really difficult to justify. You are paying for a brand; a reliable and well respected brand, but just not worth it with so many other great options with more features at well under that price.

[@Sprometheus]

I definitely see that point, and having been using the Lelit Bianca V3 behind the scenes the Micra does feel lacking for that price point.

[@jinushaun]

I think LM will lean in on the fact that the Mini can do light commercial (aka, catering), while the Micra can't.

[@mikni4069]

I don’t think they kill the Mini, it’s a popular cart and farmers market machine and smaller shop who might not have coffee and food as their main business, I seen it at very different type of shops. The Micra is much better suited for lots of people homes it won’t come in conflict with cabinets and European can have some very small kitchens due to the fact so many live in homes that are 100 to even 500 years old. Also lower price mean far more suddenly can afford it, this is going right into rivalling the higher priced E61 DB offering and other in this category, yes you can get the cheaper profiling machines for a similar amount but my experience it’s a different audience. I got to see it and it’s a lovely little machine, I might consider it as a casual machine when I don’t care profiling, personally I didn’t find the fit and finish something special and the Mini next to looked better but small and 5min warm up is a huge seller.

[@Sprometheus]

I think it’s possible they may take the mini off as a home offering and move it over to the commercial side, that would make sense.

[@marc6652]

This Micra is very desirable. However, I can hardly understand why the PID (with chronometer) is not integrated at this price. By the way, can you know the temperature of the boilers in real time with the app ?

[@brosnan]

Micra costing more than the Mini did pre covid where I live, is a slap in the face, with the Mini now costing 90% more, they are taking the pi$$

[@Hogtym]

Can you still fit a full size, double spouted, stainless steel, La Marzocco portafilter on the Micra?