Glock has THE BEST grip angle

[@johndeere1951a]

To complete the discussion, please list the actual grip angle of different brands for comparison. Like Glock 22° Walther PDP 30° , CZ 75 27°

[@wesleyhargis5115]

its so popular people gave up on it before glock started using it

[@TheReligiousLeft]

People prefer comfort, which it's not the best at...

[@rolandfinser4210]

Thanks for this review and good explanation. Great job 🎉

[@satorizero5448]

Worst video quality ever Best quality info ever

[@j.p.4541]

Great review I’ve noticed I shoot low with the Sig P320. Glock’s grip angle always has me on target.

[@kaioken1110]

I shoot Glocks similar to 1911s. You just learn to shoot everything subconsciously.

[@barbandrob1]

Sig also has a very high bore axis compared to Glock. I will say, my sig legion 226, does not have as much recoil, as my Glocks, mostly due to the weight. Yet the recoil of the Glock is easier to mitigate, due to grip angle and bore axis…. The positive wrist lockout is a huge advantage in speed and follow up shots….

[@juan.07.04]

Very interesting, thanks for posting.

[@Jeremy-Two]

Glock handles require an extra step, which is a great disservice when trying to shoot and get on target. Optimally, a person wants to maximize his or her first shot. Glock handles force the user to bend and hold their wrist at a certain angle to align the sights, which is completely unnecessary. Glock was not a shooter. He was a tool maker.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

It’s not an extra step if you train the muscle memory.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Ya I don’t think you watched the video regarding the benefit of that angle

[@scottclaiborne5123]

My support hand wrist and elbow (left arm) develops dull pain/tendinitis when I dry fire for too long with my Glock. I find with a neutral grip angle, my wrist and elbow do not experience the same kind of discomfort. Any tips, doc?

[@TheReligiousLeft]

It’s probably because you have to bend your support wrist more because it’s the glock angle. If you put your index finger around in front of the trigger guard instead of below it kinda like how nutnfancy shoots) then you’d have to bend your wrist less. Might help 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Jeremy-Two]

The Glock is the only pistol that, when properly gripped, points down away from the point of aim.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Also the Luger… but there’s not one universal proper grip. There’s different grips for different guns

[@johngrunwell2412]

The Glock Angle (~22 degs) is a natural angle of the hand that locks your wrist properly, it’s a “natural point angle”. The old western (~18 degs) style grip (fist-grip/boxer grip) was a popular angle and very natural for most wheel-guns and it worked but the wrist was not a locked wrist angle, it took mussel to control. For example, use your index finger and point at an object that’s a Glock presentation. Use your fist at the object and try that same point with the same index finger and you’ll be well above that object. I have no problem shooting any Glock just with a TWO-FINGER hold under the trigger guard. The Western style works fine as someone’s preferred grip as that is how they grew into it, that’s OK. But understand why Glock and many Western European manufactures prefer that Glock Angle (as it is called) that was model to the anatomy of the wrist “bone” structure and forearm.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Agreed. Ya the muscle diagram above shows physiologically why the Glock angle uses muscles more efficiently and needs “less muscle.”

[@ryanolep1078]

Weird but only having a 1000 rounds through hand guns I found my first shot at the range is a bullseye then I’m low left with a sig p229 and 365 but with a Glock19 I’m better. I believe it’s the grip angle preventing me from dipping the gun before fire. I’m thinking about getting a ugly cheap feeling Glock instead of training to be good with the sig.

[@9unslin9er]

You should hold a pistol the same way you throw a punch. You punch with the index and middle knuckles. Not the ring and pinky. If you punch with a 1911 grip angle, you will break your hand.

[@pjamese3]

You don't "create" a new natural grip angle. Your natural grip angle is just that...natural. You can adapt to a Glock script angle but it's not going to be a better angle than something like the 1911. Well, Doc, it seems that most of the people who don't know the science but do know guns very well seem to disagree with you on that. So...

[@TheReligiousLeft]

For recoil mitigation yes, but not for natural point of aim. So yea if you can adapt it’s great!

[@frankhujsa821]

This is really interesting. How does this change when we introduce a support hand and a two handed grip? Once we delegate some of the work of recoil management to the support hand, could a more natural point of aim for the trigger hand become more desirable?

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Ya it’s a preference thing IMO. Like if you can handle the recoil fine then natural point of aim likely superior. But if you can train your natural point of aim to be the Glock angle well… best if both world IMO

[@ekzoskelitN]

I can see how you came to your conclusion. However, this is based upon an untrained grip. There is a method of applying vice to specific areas of the pistol that can be used by people of all sizes with success if understood. It's not as simple as crushing your fingers around it. Look up the Vogel grip explanation that would feel unnatural but logical based on physics.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Ya i mean other grips are very good, but I think that grip angle has the most opportunity for handling recoil

[@ekzoskelitN]

@@TheReligiousLeft I agree. The ergonomics are the best.

[@mmabagain]

My fear is that when focusing on a deadly threat, I would not remember to cant the muzzle downward.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Ya it really depends on priorities. Go with what works well for you. Whatever puts rounds on target best for you.

[@armandogavilan1815]

Whatever you're using, train!

[@wil318466]

Within 10 feet? Won't matter. At distance? Glock, because you're extending

[@garyzies3486]

Most self-defense situations happen within a distance of 7 feet or less. At that distance you'll have little time to find your sights. You point and shoot in the direction of body mass. The grip angle makes absolutely no difference in that scenario.

[@newrunner91]

Makes sense. Your explanation brought me back to my med school days. LOL Most trainers talk about gripping the gun as hard as you can, we're not gripping it hard enough, OK...now grip even harder. However when I do I also cant my wrist down, towards the ulna side to help control recoil but then I hitting a little low with my SIG. It isn't so bad with my Walther P99 ( which has a more Glock like angle). I have stayed away from Glock because it's not attractive and I was wary of typical strikers (Glock leg). However after a few years of shooting and paying attention to how I shoot I think the Glock may be better for me. If I do I would definitely add a Glock Striker Control Device aka the Gadget. Anyway, good video. I hope it gets more views.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

newrunner91 thanks!

[@ryanolep1078]

I’m a pretty novice shooter with only a few thousand rounds through hand guns. I find I shoot a Glock pretty straight but shoot my sig 365 about 4 inches low at 7 yards. Really been working hard on a slow smooth trigger pull and keeping a steady hand/grip. I’m about to just get a different sights even though I know the sights are dead nuts.

[@Hialeah1925]

Glocks have minimalist utilitarian good looks, like a 63’ Lincoln.

[@jasonrhyne3236]

There’s a reason no one changed the grip angle since the 1911. It is the best grip angle for natural point of aim. You went over several points that show why the Glock is not the best.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

I mean if you want a natural point if aim go with 1911. If you want improved recoil management and ability to stay on target go with Glock angle. That’s what the video is about

[@nn431xru1]

agree. the glock angle keeps your wrist, the area of your thumb and the index finger, lined up almost in a straight line with your forearm, which makes your wrist during shooting more stable thus mitigating the muzzle flip. the recoil is also absorbed better in a rearward fashion instead of forcing the wrist to flip upward and therefore having less control of the muzzle flip. these effects are visible when shooting glock v sig 320. the sig's grip angle is more vertical and the vertical control of the muzzle flip is more difficult. I wish the "smart" military evaluators reached out to people like you for expert opinion. but that would be asking too much of them i guess.

[@James-tp4nc]

What do you mean? I was in AF special operations and glock 19 is our standard side arm. The military doesn’t give weapons without safeties to the boneheads. Don’t think for a second the military is behind the curve on anything, you’d be very wrong.

[@graystoke8229]

I don't think the grip angle was a factor for the military at all. The MHS program produced 2 finalists, Glock 19X and Sig P320, to which the latter won. It can be argued that if grip angle was a big deal for the military, then the Glock 19X would either be eliminated from the competition or Glock would have to modify the grip angle to compete. But most accounts of the Glock MHS submission did not observe any changes to the grip angle at all. As the earlier commenter said, Special Operations personnel have been using Glock handguns for awhile before the MHS program was launched. So Glocks are nothing new to the military. It can be argued the 1911/P320 grip angle might be more suitable for general issue in the military as it points naturally as per the video. The reason is that a lot of military personnel issued a pistol are not trained to high standads by the military (with the exception of SOF, etc.). Getting used to the Glock grip angle requires more training. In reality, when the military conducts pistol qualification for regular folks, they just want them at least achieve the minimally required proficiency and be done with it. Basically treating the whole exercise as "another check-in-the-box" routine.

[@Zowby]

Glocks point low for me, not high.

[@Jeremy-Two]

Exactly.

[@STIZEN9]

I KNEWIT! I agree with your findings. Damn good work. I always thought that the Glock angle in hand and during firing just looked more natural. Less muzzle flip as well, from what I see. Even more superior to czp09s higher slide ride. I HAVE A CZP09! Just got it. I believe the bore axis is higher compared to the glock 17, Im saying, that beaver tail on the 17 is way higher than on the p09, which is bringing the 17 bore axis even more closer to your forearm axis.

[@MutheiM_Marz]

I shoot glock for many years ( i hate Gen 4 Finger groove but i cant do any thing about it. It’s service pistol ) and i went and shoot my grandpa M92 and i feel weird… i am about to get my own pistol. A choice is glock 17 and P320 it’s hard to decide.

[@gee556]

I'll mention that at the next Tupperware party. Lol

[@DeusRegum]

Gave me a good laugh! My local gunsmith calls polymer guns, "Tupperware"! Ha-ha!

[@steven3379]

I shoot Sig, Beretta, Taurus, I'm thinking about getting a CZ-P01... It would actually take someone gifting me a Glock 19 with steel sights, for me to ever shoot one. As far as I'm concerned... The Glock grip is not important.

[@garyzies3486]

The majority of shooters pull the barrel down when the trigger is pulled, resulting in a low POI. The Glock angle adjusts for that with the grip angle because it points a little higher to begin with.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Also another reason!!!

[@koalanutsama1851]

Thinking about making guns for a possible career. I orginally thought that the 1911 angle grip was better but the glock grip does make more sense. I think giving up a little comfort for more performance is wise. It's also not like you couldn't atleast design the grip to be more comfortable while at that angle. Good work!

[@alexg5457]

I will never understand why people try to train to a different “natural point of aim”. It sounds like an oxymoron to me. If you have to train to something that is not natural, then it isn’t a natural point of aim to begin with. Shooters can significantly set themselves up for success by shying away from Glock and purchasing a pistol that has a true natural point of aim.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

It’s because there’s more to shooting than aiming, there’s recoil management. Abs I suspect the Glock grip angle is superior in that regard.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 there’s more to recoil management than grip angle (there’s Bore axis, weights of components, etc). To make the argument you’re making you’d have to have two glocks that are exactly the same but with different grip angles. Most people prefer a better natural point of aim, which is why I suspect those companies have those grip angles.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 yes but they’re different in more than just grip angle

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 yea I mean you’re right that other manufacturers make a softer shooting gun all the while keeping a more naturally feeling grip angle. However i believe the grip angle is chosen for reasons of comfort not recoil management. They’re better structured parts for sure in the upper.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 but yea I’m no solitary fanboy. I’ve got an M9, p226, M&P compact 2.0, M&P shield, and of course a few glocks. I suspect glocks have inferior uppers in general relative to other handguns. They limp wrist pretty easily. I suspect they need their more acute grip angle geared more towards recoil management in order to function properly.

[@aperson4057]

I was hearing that one of the reasons for the grip angle was that when Gaston Glock was making this handgun, it was common military doctrine at the time to use a handgun with only one hand. Gaston felt this was a natural point of aim (if someone uses their index finger to point, the don't usually keep all their fingers straight but grip them and the three lower fingers will curve). It's nice to know, and he probably thought so as well, that this was also supposed to aid in shooting.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

A Person yea I do shoot glocks better one handed for sure. You kink your wrist forward when you point with your finger like you said, but you don’t when you put your hand out for a handshake (1911 grip angle). But yea a 1911 is more comfortable because your muscles are all relaxed, but I don’t think comfort is highest priority when using a handgun.

[@code_red7744]

I gotta agree. I own a few different brand handguns and the Glock just feels a lot more natural to me.

[@mohawk3371]

People who don't like the glock grip angle don't know how to shoot properly, including how to lock out their wrist. My problem with the Glock grip is the girth not the angle. That is why for me the G43x and G48 is the ideal pistol. For me these pistols barely move of target under recoil and I am much faster with them than almost any other platform, aside from 3 pound steel guns.

[@shooter3288]

Haha no it doesnt. Glock has a 22 degree angle. Every other pistol on the planet has the 18 degree angle( which is the best)

[@TheReligiousLeft]

Lol they each have their benefits if you watch the video

[@shooter3288]

@@TheReligiousLeft i did. Just never been a fan of the gloxk grip angle.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@shooter3288 ya it’s not the most comfortable thing and awkward to aim. But if you get used to it’s pretty nice

[@shooter3288]

@@TheReligiousLeft im sure. Definitely would take some getting use to but for sure it woudnt be hard to get use to it

[@RocksNRuts4]

wonder if G hired a Dr n did that on purpose? def shoot high, u have to train more w/ them....

[@TheReligiousLeft]

🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@johnbarry5036]

Strawberry ice cream tastes the best!

[@bucklaporte7591]

Lol rite

[@timothybyrom5560]

No- it's chocolate mint.🧐

[@mmabagain]

Bluebell Peppermint!!

[@newrunner91]

Interesting explanation. I have often thought that the "Glock grip-angle" was more natural for controlling recoil. While I have never shot a Glock, Walther P99 has a more acute angle than the 1911-style grip. Many Walthers have a similar as the P99 and it's successor, PPQ, was designed by former Glock and Steyr engineer, Horst Wesp. Supposedly the grip was further modified by Cesare Morini, who designs grips for Olympic target pistols.

[@bobbyraejohnson]

Most people that say otherwise are beginners and don't know how to hold a gun.

[@ColeDedhand]

Sorry your wrist is deformed. But you're in luck since you share the deformity with Gaston Glock. We normal-wristed people have plenty of perfectly good options so we won't look down on you. And yes we do understand that your deformity makes you feel you have to defend the Glock against all perceived insults. We don't mind, if it makes you feel better.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

As a medical doctor, I can confirm my wrist has no deformity. It’s totally understandable if you prefer a more comfortable grip angle with more natural point of aim. Just saying Glock grip angles are better when it comes to recoil management from a muscular cellular level.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 oh other guns most definitely have better recoil management; much easier to shoot +P ammunition on my SW than my Glock. But that probably has more to do with the internals and slide and/or weight of the firearm pieces. Likely independent of the actual grip angle. There’s more differences between SW and Glock than just the grip angle. That being said... I do believe the Glock grip angle is mechanically superior. If a SW adopted it, I believe it would be even better at mitigating recoil.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 I mean that’s a good reason to have that belief. But to convince me that it’s the grip angle I’d have to understand why from a biomechanics point if view. But yea aftermarket people change the Glock grip angle because it’s more comfortable. But I don’t think more comfort equals less recoil. I believe quite the opposite.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 wait looks like the MR920 has a lighter milled slide. I mean that’ll make a big difference for sure.

[@TheReligiousLeft]

@@chrislawrence7 what I’m not taking into account is differences in torque. So although less muscular force is generated with a 1911 grip angle, does it instead produce more overall torque because of its angle relative to the point of rotation? I’d actually have to discuss with a physicist...

[@danrunner84]

Totally WEONG.

[@richardmorris8293]

They are like trying to point a brick.

[@timothybyrom5560]

Give me eleven degrees in a 1911 any day. A man carries a caliber gun that begins with a four. The gun doesn't have to be a 1911,but the grip angle does. That is the gospel as written. There is no disputing the facts.