Responding To Cessationist One-Liners

[@carlthomas4959]

My back got injured in a helicopter mishap in the service. I got out of the service and got saved. A guy prayed for me. I watched my leg move out relative to my shorts. My back has not hurt that way in 23 years. Do with that what you want.

[@givethanks6714]

I will - praise the Lord! :)

[@chiamtateng1973]

God never said He stop miracles. but the gifts of the Holy spirit stop once the Church is matured

[@laurasanders5015]

@@chiamtateng1973 which will happen when we see Him face to face at the end of the age!

[@zeropointperspective9643]

Bruh!! I was wondering what church service was being conducted in a helicopter 😹

[@chiamtateng1973]

@@laurasanders5015 it would be inexpressible in our realm.

[@mhjl214]

I was healed of a 3 month undiagnosed dibilitating illness (5 drs on my case, many rounds of antibiotics and steroids) through a former ob/gyn of mine who asked if she could pray for me. My fevers broke 3 hrs later and never came back. My medical chart states an undiagnosed illness with no cure of medical intervention, however resolved. At the time I was a believer of God (raised in the Catholic church) but was not a follower of Christ. 4 years later, I was healed of cervical cancer. This is also in my medical chart and states that the procedures that I did have failed. My next step was to look at a hysterectomy or the next steps of treatment being that I was only 22. At my following exam, there was no explanation as to why my cervix was visibly clear and when my test results came back from that appt, there was no traces of cancer. I asked for explanations in disbelief, but my Dr abruptly brushed me off and dismissed me out of the office very quickly and was actually quite rude in her tone with me which was puzzling at the time. At this time I was a baby Christian and had had a few fellow believers who knew about my situation pray over me. Sorry so long, but also..what do cessaitionists do with hearing from the Holy Spirit? I have one instance where I heard a voice in my head (I know it sounds crazy) that told me not to make a certain move while I was driving as I was about to make said sudden move into a different lane. I grudgingly decided to listen and not 3 seconds after my decision the large semi-truck that was in short distance ahead of me was making a turn around the bend we were all on and where I would've been had made said move to the lane near it and this truck wiped out, taking a light pole and up the curb amd into a small warehouse. I was stunned. ....and grateful. So unless I was just having intrusive thoughts from demons trying to save my life, I don't know how else to explain that.

[@JimSkees1955]

I have a niece who just experienced a similar healing. She is a Catholic- raised but unbelieving likely activist opposing God, but the family prayed and her pre-cancer turned up negative. We praise God and now pray for her belief and salvation. If He can heal an unbeliever thru the prayers of those who love her, I believe salvation can also come thru our prayers.

[@FJ-rh6io]

Exactly this! Who are these demons tryna save people from bad decisions and telling them that Christ is risen??! 🤣 Praise God for testifying so powerfully to His goodness! May more people receive it for what it is

[@nathancjarrett]

I attend a cessationist church. I don't agree with cessationism, but it is important to point out that they do not believe that miracles do not happen anymore. They do believe that no person bears miraculous sign gifts that can be reliably called upon to perform healings, or provide prophetic messages. However I think a lot of their arguments are drawing conclusions that do not necessarily follow from the passages they employ to support their perspective. Also, I think God's hand of judgment is against the American people at this time, and I think we are less likely to see the genuine manifestation of these spiritual gifts in our culture. I have zero experience personally with these gifts, but I am hearing more about this from the global church, and the stories I am hearing do not sound like the fake charismania that I am more familiar with in our culture.

[@FGFWTX]

There are wolves in sheep clothing no matter what church you attend. The key isn't in where you attend, but _how you discern_ the leading of the Holy Spirit. Everybody preaches some portion of the truth, but what matters most is eating the meat and spitting out the bones. I grew up cessationist, and even when I saw a miracle take place with the laying on of hands, I was still skeptic until it happened to me! Further study has helped in the reproduction of this healing method. We've all been in weird churches where they abuse the Lord's works. I want to say that most do it out of ignorance, and very few do it out of malice, but I don't have statistics to back that up. Just be discerning in all circumstances.

[@stephenatkinson480]

Great Job Guys. Very scriptural, take it from an guy who was raised up to believe the gifts had ceased. Then in my young 20s came to the conclusion based on the scriptures that my view was wrong. Keep teaching the truth.

[@casewooton5492]

i think im there now

[@jessidarnell1660]

Same here.. I was raised to believe they had ceased.

[@Malcolm_Blake]

This was very challenging for me to listen to but thank you for talking about this. The way that the charismatic church of my youth functioned in such an ungodly way is what turned me away from Christ as a young boy (in reality it was probably just my own desire for sin of course, but I felt like it was them). It left me with a deep resentment towards the "happy clappy" church movement and I wanted nothing to do with it. Many years later after a long time wandering around trying to live by my own fire (worldly wisdom), having practically renounced the faith I once fervently held as a boy, did the Lord graciously draw me back to Himself. So, after this prodigal son moment I prayed earnestly to be planted in a good church that would rightly divide God's Word and sincerely love His sheep. Then in His sovereign plan He placed me in a reformed church plant in my area 3 years ago where I am a member and likely to become a deacon. My brother's there have deep theological convictions about extra biblical revelation and sign gifts having ceased and of course, have influenced me in this area of theology. I am in no way advocating by my comments that your guys position on cessationism is wrong or that charismatic Christians are heretics (I see you as brothers in Christ and my past predjudices were formed out of ignorance) but I can't help but wander now if I and my reformed brothers who hold this view have got it wrong. I will be praying that the Lord illuminate the truth of the matter and that all of His sheep will be united in the Spirit and worship Him in spirit and in truth. May the Lord be out help

[@carld2796]

Sounds like you're thinking it through with an open heart. I pray that the Lord will lead you to His best for you.

[@philemonscript]

I really am grateful for what you guys are doing. I’m a pastor…I’m reformed doctrinally…we live in light of the solas…i love the Lord…I love his word and love to dig into the word to hear what the Lord has to say…because of that…I cannot help but be a continuationist. I see lots of pastors who are respected brothers in the reformed arena and often handle the word of God so faithfully…yet…when it comes to the gifts…so often they are willing to do something they would otherwise hate - eisegesis. Honest…faithful…exegesis of the scriptures that isn’t informed by denominational affiliation or even fears…will eventually lead you to continuationist pneumatology. It truly is possible to be Christ centered, spirit empowered, and doctrinally reformed.

[@amyclutter7259]

Yes! We need more Reformed and continuationist! (Or as I call it, Biblical 😄)

[@ene2082]

Amen! We need more pastors like you. God bless you!

[@michaelmiller5024]

Thank you!

[@Drspeiser]

Amen and amen! Unless by reformed you mean 5-point Calvinism, (the reigning champion of Protestant eisegesis) 🤭

[@jasonbilbro6373]

Have you read Holy Fire by RT Kendall? He’s Reformed & Charismatic and champion of Word + Spirit. Just finished his book “Prophetic Integrity.”

[@abeautifulmoment2714]

Thank you for this. I grew up cessationist - but when I read scripture, it doesn't make sense to believe the gifts have ceased. This helps solidify my desire for the gifts of the Lord.

[@jmo900]

All false teachings like cessationism can be debunked by just reading and believing scripture for yourself.

[@justindarnellfpv]

I used to be a cessationist, even went to a cessationist Bible college called Word of Life Bible Institute. But as I read the Bible it’s plain that all of the gifts of Holy Spirit are active!! Jesus is alive and if we believe in Him then the works He did we will do John 14:12 🥳🥳 Praise Jesus!!!!!

[@racheljoyenns]

During a meeting my dad was leading, one of the church leaders started feeling unwell, looking pale and clammy. He collapsed. There was a cardiac nurse present and she rushed to check on the man. She wasn't able to find a pulse. Several people started praying for him and the rest of the church continued in praise and worship. After about 30 minutes, the man sat up and the colour returned to his face. That week he went to his MD for a check-up and the doc was amazed and said his heart was the strongest it had ever been since the doc had started serving him.

[@littleboots9800]

No one thought to call an ambulance? The cardiac nurse didn't bother with cpr?

[@ddp8972]

Interesting question 🤔, If they had of called an ambulance/done cpr - does that then show lack of trust in Gods healing power? And on the other hand does that mean 'worldly-wise' there was 'duty of care negligence'?

[@littleboots9800]

@JOSEPH exactly. A cardiac nurse is witness to a cardiac incident, a cardiac arrest no less, not just a heart attack, and doesn't feel like she has a duty of care, at least morally, to call 911, find a defib machine or perform CPR? It sounds preposterous. You know what's funny though? If this had been a cessationist church they would've called 911, administered first aid AND prayed for his healing.

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

@@littleboots9800 no, they wouldn't have prayed for healing. They would have prayed that God would give the doctors the wisdom to help him.

[@cdevidal]

"If private revelations agree with Scripture, they are needless, and if they disagree, they are false." ~John Owen If John Owen agrees with Scripture, is he needless? 🤔

[@Ashwin2584]

The problem is with revelation similar to what happened to Annanias when the Spirit asked him to pray for Paul. Word of knowledge/wisdom is usually related to practical actions. For example, the Spirit of God could tell someone so and so is depressed and contemplating suicide (or struggling with sin) and instruct him to confront this person. This is an example of private revelation which doesn't add to scripture, but has real world consequences.

[@leaterry1504]

I am not a cessationist. But I went down for prayer at my former church. I was prayed over. As soon as the prayer for me was completed, the pastors wife came over and pushed me. If I didn't see her come up, I could have easily lost my balance. It's bothered me a lot. I know what the Holy Spirit feels like and that was not it. Not a good practice.

[@Susan-zk7ne]

Its not a good practice and not necessary . If God wants you to fall over you will fall over. She was just a little over zealous and probably doesn't understand more fully how the Holy Spirit works. Don't let her lack of maturity steal away any part of your relationship with God. Keep a humble heart with God and stay inHis love for you.

[@Susan-zk7ne]

@@user-mx3kh8rj1t Where in the Bible does it say that God doesn't want someone to fall over? When the power of God comes on you and it is so strong that you can't stand up then you fall over. It is not taught. If falling over is taught for the sake of the experience of falling over then they have just taken it to extremes. No big deal considering that just about any teaching that is taught for a long time tends to become either dead and without Holy Spirit life or extreme and dead.

[@Susan-zk7ne]

@@user-mx3kh8rj1t Hi E. Sure. 2 chronicles 5:14 they were dedicating the temple and the presence of the Lord was so strong that they could not stand. That can translate into they fell down when the presence of the Lord came. 1 Kings 8:11 second reference of the above experience. 2 Chronicles 7:1 the people outside the temple fell on their faces before the presence of God. John18:6 Jesus asked the guards who they wanted and they Jesus of Nazareth and said "I am He" and they fell back most likely to the ground as it is difficult not to fall to the ground if one is falling backward. Have you ever studied church history in regards to events and lives of leaders down the last 2000 years? not just their sermons or writings but their lives and the events of the times in which they were ministering. Martin Luther, John Wesley, John Whitefield, Cane Ridge revivals, Johnathan Edwards and the first great awakening 1730s thru 1770s. Also I have found that reading the Bible with an just to see what it says without an ahead of time agenda makes for a most interesting read. There are a lot of strange stories in there. I believe that the Bible is inspired by God and true therefore it has to be able to explain itself without too much struggle. I measure this by what Jesus said about His kingdom. He said one has to be like a little child to enter into it. Being a mother and grandmother now I'm thinking this reference to child is somewhere in the age 5 to 7-8 years old. Hope I'm not too windy here.

[@Susan-zk7ne]

@@user-mx3kh8rj1t Yes I agree some of it is a bit over the top. I have just chosen to allow everyone to be accountable to God for their own behavior and not let some of this stuff bother me too much. For me when I get concerned is when I begin to get a feeling like as they say 'the hair stands up on my neck' then I ask the Lord what is going on. As you know I'm sure, 1 Cor.13 says love covers a multitude of sins. If its the enemy and I have no position in the situation to deal directly with it I just back off and remind myself and what ever that creepy feeling is that I am covered by the blood of Jesus and surrender to Him. May I ask what happened 13 years ago?

[@rstroh2105]

Best remedy to faulty cessationist claims? Pray for cessationists, love them, and walk in the supernatural power of the Holy Ghost. Never in 25 years of being charismatic have I seen such an irreverence and disrespect toward Pentecostals. Walked away from fellowship opportunities more than once because if you want to be filled up with faith in the power of God to heal and restore, cessationism can be a real drag. This includes leaving 2 women's apologetics groups on Facebook, where Pentecostals were maligned, called heretics, etc, or the power of the Spirit just didn't seem to be present.

[@alexglase765]

The last time I checked, the reason we do not fellowship with people is because they deny the deity of Christ (2 John), or because they’re not actually Christians in accordance with the attributes found in 1 John, which never mentions the gifts of the Spirit in the entire book. The center of the Christian life and church is not acts of the Holy Spirit, and saying cessationists are dragging on your fellowship really makes me wonder how far you would elevate the experience (which is what can be dragged) over the worship of God. If you’re prioritizing the experience, is worshipping yourself, not God. The Pentecostal movement has people like John Alexander Dowie, who was an obvious false prophet and con man, at its roots… sounds suspicious at best.

[@FGFWTX]

​@@alexglase765Jeez, dude. Eat a Snickers and pray.

[@TheStemo1]

My teeth had all shifted after not wearing a retainer throughout college. One evening I went to a church service and sat down. My teeth began moving into place and now my bite is perfect - no one prayed for me.

[@tonypino5415]

As a man thinks so he is. I think a lot of believers don't experience spiritual gifts because they don't believe in them.

[@sally9352]

They do not have because the do not ask .

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

Most Christians have no idea how to even pray. They don't even understand what faith is. They have the blind faith of the world and the hope of the world which is wishful thinking with implied doubt.

[@joshuacody9231]

Seek and you’ll find!

[@matthewmencel5978]

the argument that the gifts cease with the closing of the canon is really problematic when you consider that the canon is closed BECAUSE the "the Church" closed it (or declared it as such).. This would mean that The Church then controls the spirit's operation, if the gifts cease with the closing of the canon.

[@carld2796]

That's an interesting comment. Should have, but never thought of that. Thanks.

[@kotyslough5828]

This was so necessary. Thank you so much guys!

[@alexacabrera85]

I lean charismatic in the sense that the biblical evidence for cessationism is thin BUT if we judge by the fruits of both christian camps the horrid charismania that is associated with mainstream christianity and the fact that ALL cults started with GOD spoke to me I keep my reservations when it comes to the apostolic gifts being showcased by people with wrong theology and little sanctification to back the authenticity of those spiritual manifestations.

[@rickdavis2235]

Alexandra Cabrera " I lean charismatic in the sense that the biblical evidence for cessationism is thin " Not when Scripture is studied in context. What type of literature is it? What is the historical situation? Who is speaking, who are they speaking to, what is the subject matter, what is the time period, what does the rest of scripture have to say about the subject? What is the grammatical meaning? Do the words used carry their normal grammatical meaning, not some weird spiritually discerned symbolic meaning which can only be understood by some elite prophet, church official, or modern apostle? What is the spiritual conditon of the person interpreting the Scripture? This requires study and not just merely reading, the Scripture. If the interpreter is in a poor spiritual state, he will poorly express the Bible's concepts and ethical principles but if he is spiritually mature and lives in spiritual maturity, he can deeply understand what is in the Bible because its principles, whether doctrinal or ethical, really talk about the depth of the human conscience. This requires the person to be mature in faith and spirit … That's why the apostle Paul emphasized that elders should be prepared and mature for teaching… because the interpreter's spiritual state significantly affects what he says in relation to his understanding and explanation of what's in the Bible. When I come across someone who is following a religion or church that cannot save them, they are blinded to the truth because they want Scripture to verify what they grew up believing; to justify their church. I want to know what God is saying so submission to the Scripture is very crucial. That is one of the main things that walking closely with the Lord does, enabling us to be humble before Scripture and see what God is really saying.

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

The Biblical evidence for cessationism is not thin, it's non-existence.

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

@@rickdavis2235 I hope you weren't trying to debunk Alexandra's comment because you didn't provide one verse. When Jesus listed signs that will follow those who believe, doesn't that sound all-inclusive? What part of "those who believe" do you not understand in Mark 16:17-18? How can you read scripture with all-inclusive language and believe it only applies to those Jesus was talking to? Just because Jesus happened to be talking to a certain group of people doesn't mean that it only applies exclusively to them. Otherwise, you could say that salvation only applies to the people Jesus was talking to in that context and therefore does not apply to this generation. But John 3:16 also uses all-inclusive language and everybody knows that salvation is not limited to the people Jesus was talking to. You also have John 14:12 where you once again see all-inclusive language. The word "disciple" in the four Gospels implies that Jesus was training the 12 disciples for ministry when he sent out the 12 to heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons, and raise the dead (the scripture might list them in a different order). Then we see at the end of Matthew 28, that Jesus told his disciples to make disciples. That's more than simply leading them to Jesus. They also need to be trained for ministry. Scripture evidence for cessationism is not thin, it's non-existence. It's based on speculation. None of the gifts are designated as "sign gifts" or "apostolic gifts" in the Bible.

[@rickdavis2235]

@@healingthroughchrist1988 " What part of "those who believe" do you not understand in Mark 16:17-18? " Mark 16: Some manuscripts end the book with 16:8; others include verses 9-20 immediately after verse 8. At least one manuscript inserts additional material after verse 14; some manuscripts include after verse 8 the following: But they reported briefly to Peter and those with him all that they had been told. And after this, Jesus himself sent out by means of them, from east to west, the sacred and imperishable proclamation of eternal salvation. These manuscripts then continue with verses 9-20 Nowhere does scripture say or imply that the gifts given to the Apostles would carry on and to believe so is speculation on your part.

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

@@rickdavis2235 And nowhere does the scripture say or imply that the gifts were only given to the Apostles. These scriptures show people who are not apostles operating in signs: Acts 6:8, Luke 9:49-50, Mark 9:38-41, Luke 10:17-20, John 14:12, Mark 16:17-18, Matthew 28:19-20, Matthew 10:1, Mark 3:13-15, Luke 6:12-13. Also, it's strange to believe in the authority of scripture while simultaneously trying to discredit scripture. Manuscripts or not Mark 16:17-18 is consistent with scripture. Nowhere in the Bible do we see the gifts designated as sign gifts or apostolic gifts.

[@Drspeiser]

39:40 Why did Paul write that? It's almost as if God already knew there would be cessationists whose faith lies in the wisdom of men rather than in the power of God. Interesting...

[@nelljo8374]

Yoww, this caught me off guard... Been thinking the same, never thought someone would comment it. 😳😳😳

[@multiplytalents]

The IRL format worked extremely well for this important topic - high energy, many compelling scriptural citations, and the viewing audience can easily focus on the content when the speakers’ eye contact isn’t constantly locked onto the camera.

[@amyclutter7259]

I feel like I’m at the table with them watching this passionate conversation go down.

[@Steadfast_Steady_Strong]

I agree!

[@ddp8972]

👍👍👍

[@CG2589]

I have to admit the one liners I hear online get me way too worked up. I hope this episode helps me. My Pastor has really been helping me deal with anger I feel about the arrogance and nastiness from Christians. Please keep me in your prayers. Remnant has been a blessing to me being able to learn about scripture from humble teachers.

[@nathancjarrett]

I'm with you there brother. It's best to spend your energy engaging with platforms and teachers who discuss different perspectives in a fruitful way like these gentlemen did. It's probably better for a lot of us to get off of social media, and find ways to serve Jesus with our time, instead of feeding our own frustrations by exposing ourselves to online nastiness and arrogance from our fellow Christians who are not doing well with how they speak and act.

[@thelordismysalvation3870]

Justin peters isn't being any of those things. He's coming from a place of love. He doesn't want charlatans to deceive people. Peters is addressing false prophet, and charlatans, not every day average Joe evangelicals.

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

@@thelordismysalvation3870 Justin Peters is an unsaved, faithless liar. He's all religious pride and false humility. He worships himself and his intellectual knowledge of scripture and doctrine. He makes a golden calf of the Bible and does not do what it says. If you can't discern that through the Holy Spirit, then you really need to learn to hear your Shepherd's voice.

[@Nnjdl344]

⁠@@thelordismysalvation3870 He is far from loving… he’s a stone thrower….his fruit is rotten and mean. Does he even know what a false prophet is?? It’s also someone who like to take what’s true and twist it just a little….exactly what he does

[@FGFWTX]

​@@Nnjdl344 Justin Peters is a notorious stone thrower. I've never seen him throw stones at a cessationist, reformist, or calvinist. All of his beefs are with miracle preachers. Kind of ironic that he likes throwing stones when he doesn't have the stones to confront anybody worth their salt. It's sad, really... Lord knows he has the intellect to understand healing, but he just flat-out refuses to seek out any understanding or let the Holy Spirit lead for that matter. He's like _Alexander the coppersmith_ in 2Timothy 4:14-15. He knows a little bit of truth to make him dangerous, but does much evil to the body of Christ as a whole.

[@Jakeblauwkamp]

Great episode! Thank you guys so much. You need to get together in person more often. Hilarious!

[@mellymel9602]

This was actually a very weak response. Cessationists do believe God can perform miracles and heal people. We just do not believe anyone is walking around with the "gift of healing" or the "gift of miracles"..It's not rocket science.

[@givethanks6714]

it is actually "gifts of healings" in the Greek, both plural.

[@jackcoultas7869]

Every healing is an expression of the “gifts of healings” (Greek) and every miracle today is an expression of “the gift of miracles.” No person, not even the apostles, could just heal at will whenever they wanted to. The gifts are displays of the spirit working through people. If you believe in healings today or miracles today then you would have to believe in those gifts today.

[@mellymel9602]

@@jackcoultas7869 Wrong..If I pray for someone and God heals them, (which I have).. I do not possess the gift of healing. God in his sovereign will chose to heal that person for his Glory. I've also prayed for others who were never healed..so that goes that theory.

[@jackcoultas7869]

@@mellymel9602 I don’t think you read what I wrote. No person, ever (except maybe Jesus) could heal at will. Not even the apostles. What you said did not counter anything I said. The Holy Spirit sovereignly chooses to whom and when he’ll give gifts. “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

[@givethanks6714]

@@mellymel9602 Just don't attack others, like f ex Pentecostals for their Spirit theology (2nd blessing), when you yourself use mostly experience to determine what you believe about this theme.

[@greatestoftheseco7473]

Weird… My dad has been a pastor for almost 30 years, and he’s never been denied access to the hospital to pray for people, hold their hands as they pass, and that includes the ICU.

[@carlthomas4959]

Has your dad ever gone to the hospital uninvited and wondered the halls going room to room praying for people? That's what they are talking about

[@TheDTULSA]

Yall should have Justin Peters on the show to discuss this.

[@jakem4107]

Totally agree. Too much ambiguity doing things like this. It would be more beneficial for Gods glory and all eyes watching.

[@amberwarriorprincess4010]

I am sure they have tried! He said he won’t talk to Dr. Michael Brown so I am sure it’s a similar situation.

[@TheDTULSA]

@@amberwarriorprincess4010 I wouldn't be sure that's the case, remnant radio and JP condemn similar healing ministries ie Benny hinn, todd Bentley, etc. and false prophets. Doc. Brown has giving his endorsement to fake healers and false teachers. I believe they would agree more than they would disagree but I would like to hear both have a direct discussion to hash these things out in brotherhood as believers.

[@amberwarriorprincess4010]

@@TheDTULSA I would say remnant radio condemns practices of ministries, actions and theology but I don’t think they have come out and completely condemned a certain minister- they are willing to talk to anyone, if they are willing to have an honest conversation. JP doesn’t seem to be so open.

[@jakem4107]

@@amberwarriorprincess4010 u make it sound like JP endorses the same heretics as MB. JP 110% DOES NOT. In terms of MB something is very wrong when u endorse people like sid roth.

[@sakuranight24]

Wow, I just had to say this because the spirit is truly active. So I was fasting and praying a few days ago. I asked God to give me a confirmation so I know it’s him. Michael R (sorry I don’t want to misspell your last name) you said something that confirmed it for me 😊. Thank you God and thank you all for what you do.

[@rickdavis2235]

Sakuranight 24 " I asked God to give me a confirmation so I know it’s him. " How do you know it was God? Even Satan can appear as an angel of light and do many great signs and wonders.

[@realandroid8589]

After considering more sides of the argument and listening to you guys, I think I've changed my stance over the last couple of months. For quite a while I've been mostly cessationist. It just doesn't add up though. Prophecy was always my hangup and something I'm still trying to figure out.

[@marytitus2874]

Well if you're interested I think Wayne Grudem on prophecy describes it pretty well.

[@sparklegirl1111]

A minister in my town got kicked out of the hospitals for praying for the sick. He was able to do it for a long time and had many miracles. I had a dream that a little boy would be healed and I prayed. He was healed. I wrote it down shortly. I am very close to posting it and seriously tagging the people that are saying this stuff ceased. I don't care how big they are on youtube or FB I want to post it and tag them in it to see what they will do with it.

[@deuslaudetur2451]

They’ll write something into scripture and then proceed to interpret your experience for you.

[@kait-01751]

I appreciate your show so much! I always come away edified or challenged to think more deeply on matters. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@calebtolliver3644]

I believe that most cessationist believe, like you mentioned, that it is the person who manifests the gift. While a sincere continuationist will say that it is never just the person, but the Holy Spirit working through that person. Hence the gift of the "Spirit".

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

Does that mean that the term "faith healer" came from a cessationist?

[@annaboshier6680]

Y’all are on fire in this session. Couldn’t get much more clear!!

[@Lydia_grace_l]

So thankful for this podcast. I have felt for a little while now that I am not a Cessasionist nor am I a hyper charismatic. I’m somewhere right in the middle- where I feel y’all are. In a very biblical spot!

[@jmo900]

Exactly. There is a right way to use these gifts. I hate being labeled as a Pentecostal because I believe in the gifts. I am a Christian. Period. I believe the whole Bible. I do NOT pick and choose what to believe.

[@LimpingforJesus]

Like Justin, I rock the palsy and sarcasm. But I’m a continuist. 😂

[@hollynelson7489]

Thanks for addressing this topic. I am not a cessationist. However, I appreciate how they have called out the prosperity gospel people over the years. As for healing and other supernatural experiences, perhaps they were hardened by bad experiences.

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

When I was newly born again, I assumed everyone believed the Bible and that God still did miracles through people because that is what the Bible says. I didn't know anything about Calvinism, Reformed theology, charismatic Christianity, or cessationism. But the first time I came across a Justin Peters video, the Holy Spirit called him a faithless theologian and told me to never listen to anything he says. Later, I researched Justin Peters and part of his story is that he sought divine healing for some congenital disorder he has and wasn't healed, so if God wouldn't heal him then God must not heal people. How self-righteous and prideful must you be to have that perspective send you on a vendetta against the charismatic movement?

[@Brooke-Ps-139]

Many of these one liners seem to simply come from : lack of belief, a religious spirit and the lack of allowing the Holy Spirit to operate fully, to which The Spirit has already been poured out and given in full measure.

[@ene2082]

And FEAR! They want to control every detail and sometimes genuine Holy Spirit work is embarrassing.

[@bynrapkurbah2090]

I see your comments as a one liner of continuationists which cessationists can respond fairly.

[@matOpera]

Another interesting point is that the church with some of the strongest manifestations of the Spirit in the NT-the church in Corinth- *had some of the worst theology and orthopraxy in the NT.* That should do away with the notion that God gives His Spirit’s gifts only to authenticate good theology-or that if His Spirit were active today, it would be in biblically literate churches. The Spirit’s gifts needs to be sought, not quenched. If you quench the Spirit, don’t be surprised when you get nothing.

[@ddp8972]

M Y. I like how you've said that, thankyou 🙏😇😘

[@matOpera]

@UCqCBvJgWJff_k3u4f0E-nVQ Yes, absolutely.

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

You missed the whole point of 1 Corinthians! Paul says the Corinthians are carnal Christians! But even they had tongues. They were just settling for tongues and not using the other gifts or deepening their relationship with Christ. Look at it from Paul's perspective --he assumes you know the other churches are practicing all the gifts and maturing in spirituality which is why Paul has to correct the Corinthians and educate them.

[@MarkRidlen]

Wow, all 3 of you on ONE camera... amazing!

[@VaderNorq]

Great conversation. Re: Seek the giver, not the gift…. The Bible says “seek first His kingdom”, not seek “only” His kingdom… and all these things will be given to you as well… Didn’t hear that in the discussion, just felt like a slight over-correction. Great stuff, fellas!

[@ifehansson2254]

I think it's easy to say that one place there is a lack of faith is a hospital. There must be desperation in many hospitals that could equate to faith. There are Christians in such hospitals yet we don't hear of these miraculous healings. Again where the Benny Hinns of this world have claimed healings, these have not been proven. The gifts still operate but not as extensively as often claimed. In my limited experience in going to Charismatic churches for 12 years I've seen no healings for serious diseases and conditions but heard claims of 'soft' healings like bad backs, sprained toes, emotional healing and such like

[@grind2138]

I was trying to talk to a guy about the continuing of the gifts and he brought up daniel 9 as the time line of the gifts ending after the 70 weeks and he believes that 70 weeks ended with The temple being destroyed. How would you respond?

[@givethanks6714]

St David of Wales got the gift of tongues on his pilgrimage to Jerusalem in the 500's AD. How come some get gifts after 70 AD? He has to respond to that first imo.

[@grind2138]

@@givethanks6714 ill have to look into that claim but honestly we have to give an accurate response to scripture 1st before we can just through the experience of others at him.

[@glassdrummer]

Have you guys heard of the guy who claims to be a prophet, Robin Bullock from Eleventh Hour? He has a large following that seems to have come out of nowhere and I don't know what to make of him. I'm skeptical but it would be good to get your take on Him. Looking forward to a possible future video.

[@FGFWTX]

I've listened to his stuff, but I don't sense any Holy Spirit on him. I think he's more of a soothsayer than a prophet. While he will speak with some truth, I'm not convinced it's from the Lord. Just my two cents. I haven't spent enough time studying the guy.

[@glassdrummer]

@@FGFWTX I've concluded he's not someone worth listening to. Possibly a false teacher but I think I agree with all you said.

[@oldmovieman7550]

Fulfilled in the last days... the last days of what? That's the question. They were in the last days of the Jewish age which would be marked in that generation with the destruction of the temple.

[@TKK0812]

In that same quotation of Joel from Acts 2, it also says that "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved". Does that mean that this passed away as well? If you're going to have a consistent hermeneutic, then you have to say that salvation ceased after the "Jewish age".

[@makedisciples8653]

If you realize that there was no NT Scripture for 1-2 decades after Jesus was crucified, but people went and made disciples, then you can see that God’s Word and purpose went forward because people were obedient . It was God who knew it would be better for us if it was written down. They relied on the gifts. This is a great video by these guys. Thanks to all.

[@makedisciples8653]

@Thomas B Never thought of it that way. I agree. Satan can only counterfeit, he cannot create (in the truest sense of the word “create”)

[@GoodBeanCoffeeRoasters]

In my humble opinion I think Justin Peter's stance of cessationism comes from a place of bitterness and anger. I just pick that up when he talks about God still speaking, healing, etc.

[@Inharmonics]

I agree. Even as a continuist, I wanted to read his testimony as I myself am struggling with numerous debilitating chronic conditions and have not yet been healed. But even in his written testimony I couldn't get past the religious pride, bitterness and anger. There was little encouragement due to the tone (unlike, say, Joni Eareckson Tada.) Just making an honest observation.

[@nofluffplease]

It would be wonderful if you could have Justin peters on your show and talk about this. Or even Chris Rosebrough.

[@skyeprophet3564]

Really, you think you would get anywhere with Justin Peters. No sorry I take that back. For with God nothing will be impossible. Just don't try it without God.

[@FGFWTX]

Lol, yeah right!! 🤣 Justin Peters would wimp out and not give these guys the time of day. He only speaks with his echo chamber peers.

[@naomiinman]

My parents came into the full gospel in Buenos Aires Argentina in the evangelistic and healing campaigns of Tommy Hicks. I was raised by wonderfully pentecostal parents who were also serious students of the Word. I'm pentecostal through and through because the gift of the Spirit was the promise of Jesus to equip us until his return.

[@Deucenheimer]

I just watched a bethel live stream where they prayed for a man and informed him he would sleep like a baby because his insomnia was gone. Is there a like between speaking into existence something like that and praying earnestly that God please take away insomnia if it is his will? Where does unbelief fit in the spectrum from not believing at all, to praying a request to God, to speaking it as if it’s already been done. And Is there scripture I can be pointed to?

[@arnoldhorvath2122]

I sense the reason cessationists say that's a "charismatic ." like a Hinn or Copland and don't desire it , is largely due to the embarrassing silence of charismatics who will accept almost anything or anyone.

[@ifehansson2254]

Yes Justin Peter's often points out that very fact. The silence of the 'sensible' Charismatics in view of the mad excesses we see.

[@matOpera]

But that’s irrelevant theologically to the question whether miracles continue.

[@mikecasale438]

Except this arguement is false. There are many in the Charismatic movement who do indeed speak against the excesses. There isnt silence, you just choose to assume silence cause maybe you are expecting "certain leaders" to speak against it while ignoring many others.

[@republiccooper]

Where's Doreen Virtue? She needs to see this.

[@debrapreston-boll9339]

I want to thank you so much for this episode. I have experienced the miraculous work of God in My life..I was led to knowledge of God through a miraculous healing...I am led by the Spirit of God daily but I started doubting whether I was walking falsely due to on-line cessationist ministries that point out the obvious problems that can arise from spiritual abuse. This episode inspired me so much and I am back on track walking in the fullness of God. 😊

[@ddp8972]

Same here😃, Hang on tight to your experience, your healngs, your walk, your knowledge of God😃, there are wolves out there that will take these from you and there are also wolves that lead people down the fake path!☹️, Blessing to you 🙏😇😘

[@debrapreston-boll9339]

@@ddp8972 🙏🙂

[@timspann6270]

I was curious and looked it up. 40% to 70% of people have one leg shorter than the other

[@givetothepoor5523]

This was good to my soul! Thanks guys

[@casewooton5492]

11:58 welp. thanks a lot. my little baptist raised brain just melted out my ears. i knew this was gonna happen eventually… the same Jesus who saved these guys saved me… the same Holy Spirit lives in me. why then would i settle for not walking in the power of our Lord?? i didn’t realize how trapped i was by the stretching of scripture i didn’t even understand. why has it taken this long to click? Lord, let me take you at your word. let me trust your inerrant word as exactly that. rather than trusting in my raising. Amen.

[@casewooton5492]

I’m not sure if anyone will come across this comment considering the video is a year old. If any brothers or sisters see this, please cover me in prayer. I’ve spent the better part of a decade and a half running hard from Christ, that was when i believed I could. I’m embarrassed to admit that one of the more prominent motives has been a disbelief that I can find freedom from the sins that have had a grip on me since the seventh grade. i’ve spent more than half my life struggling with the same few major sins. I’ve tried to flee. i’ve tried to repent. i’ve started over from scratch multiple times. but i have consistently tried to rely on my own strength… no wonder I thought repentance was impossible for me. all that to say i feel very much in bondage to lust and addiction. i’ve struggled with these hand in hand since 2009. at times i’ve sought after God, but for the most part I have run away convinced there was something in me that would never truly love the Lord more than pleasure. I’ve believed the lies of the enemy for too long. i’ve allowed my flesh to rule my life in its own right. Please pray for me. Please pray that i’m delivered from the schemes of the enemy. I don’t know any of the vernacular so please forgive me. I don’t even know what i’m asking for. But i know i need to be freed and i know my only hope is in the cross. If anyone sees this, please pray for broken chains and true confidence in our King.

[@AB-ComeLordJesus]

​@@casewooton5492I'm thankful I stumbled across your message.I have gone to the Father through Jesus for you. May His will be done in your life. Please check out Neil T. Anderson, he has many resources for finding freedom in Christ. It starts with understanding your identity in Christ. Please look him up and comb through the videos and read his books Freedom from Darkness and The Bondage Breaker. Love your sis in Christ.

[@FGFWTX]

@casewooton5492 Hey brother! I saw your comment!! I'm be praying for you right now!! _Lord,_ _I thank you for my brother Case Wooton who has sought after you with everything he has! I thank you for convicting him of and revealing the strongholds he's been under, as well as the establishments that have been foundational to his faith._ _God, we pray that he passes through your fire NOW._ _Let NOW be the time that faulty teachings are burned off!_ _Let NOW be the time that his soul is edified!_ _Let NOW be the time he comes to a maturing understanding of who you are and what your Holy Spirit will be working through him!_ _Thank you for accepting Case and growing him into such a time as this for the purpose to be a wrecking ball against the kingdom of darkness._ _Heavenly Father, I pray these things with Kingdom expectation with full agreement with your Word, eagerly expecting to meet my brother on the other side of glory! AMEN!!!_

[@jackcoultas7869]

On the short leg thing, if your back is out of wack, your hips will contort and one leg will appear longer/shorter than the other. Chiropractors check this every time i’ve gone to the chiropractor. That’s why the short leg thing is associated with back pain. It’s often the back and not the leg that’s the problem. That’s probably why this is so prevalent. Now regarding Tod White… whatever.

[@betrion7]

Fun fact: I was having 1cm shorter right leg diagnosed for years and was wearing a special thick insole on that side to compensate. After I came to Christ, I watched lots of materials on KZbin - Todd White included. It was a video where he prays for kids in Israel where I was just amazed by the goodness of God. Believe me when I say my leg was never in picture - I didn't think about it nor hope about it in any way but God used my amazement to touch me with his Holy Spirit and in an instant there was a physical move in my right leg and I instinctively knew what happened. I started praising Jesus and went to measure my legs. This was about two years ago and to this day they are the same and I don't wear that thick insole from that day. And yes, I've seen the leg tricks videos, but there you go. May the Lord be blessed 🙏

[@robsunners]

Early in the discussion Miller talked about being denied access to pray for the sick and recently deceased by hospital staff/police. A genuine question- why is there such a need to be physically present with the person? There are lots of examples of healing in the New Testament where people were healed or received something miraculous when the prayer was made by somebody not physically present. Sadly, the need to be physically present concerns me. Is the prayer for the glory of God, or for the glory of the healer?

[@betrion7]

Fun fact: I was having 1cm shorter right leg (diagnosed by a medical professional) for years and was wearing a special thick insole on that side to compensate. After I came to Christ, I watched lots of materials on KZbin - Todd White included. It was a video where he prays for kids in Israel where I was just amazed by the goodness of God. Believe me when I say my leg was never in picture - I didn't think about it nor hope about it in any way but God used my amazement to touch me with his Holy Spirit and in an instant there was a physical move in my right leg and I instinctively knew what happened. I started praising Jesus and went to measure my legs. This was about two years ago and to this day they are the same and I don't wear that thick insole from that day. And yes, I've seen the leg tricks videos, but there you go. May the Lord be blessed 🙏

[@ddp8972]

AnalogHeart: The Lord works in wonderful ways 🙏😇😘

[@ryandawson2877]

What do you guys feel like are the differences between gifts of healing‘s and workings of miracles? That would be an interesting show.

[@Dwayne_Green]

I would love to see you guys have Justin Peters on your show! It would be such an interesting discussion.

[@tannerfrancisco8759]

His demons would manifest being that close to Spirit-filled believers.

[@propoolinspectors4262]

Also isn't it interesting that those who profess to be able to do (or have done) apostilic miracles in the Charismatic movement always seem to have a bad theology. Are we to believe God is in the common practice in our world of empowering decievers?

[@bjones5791]

Curry Blake has a sermon called “Manifesting Christ” here on KZbin. It is fantastic on all of this. I would also like to point everyone reading this to Andrew Womack‘s healing testimonies. Both of these resources show that healing is part of our inheritance, but it is also warfare against the darkness that is coming in to kill, steel, and destroy anything beautiful. Love y’all! Brent

[@FGFWTX]

I love Brother Curry!!! I'll definitely check that sermon out next!

[@bjones5791]

@@FGFWTX Oohwee,man!You're gonna trip out on the power of that lecture/testimony!!Lemme know what you got out of it!😎👊....your brother from Bastrop,Texas!Brent

[@wnburns1076]

The reason I am a continuationist is BECAUSE of Sola Scriptura.

[@teetrevor]

Really good episode 👍 Thank you

[@callumkirsopp7913]

Josh I love your shirt, when will it be available to purchase?

[@joshuacody9231]

!!!!

[@NigelU]

I think way we get clarity is to acknowledge that the theology of continuationism is often that the gifts are the possession of the believer and can be used at their discretion. That and, the teaching that it is always God's will to heal. The room you build in your discussion is actually what cessationists say: 1. God still heals but the gifts have ceased and 2. God doesn't heal everyone because He is accomplishing something else through the suffering.

[@hlokomani]

Great great video guys. Subscribed

[@christianhernandez4117]

Thanks for the work - very encouraging!

[@mlj6293]

I believe the gifts come and go as the spirit wills. The gifts are not something that you have and can just walk around and use the gift when you want. I believe the spirit will led you to when and we're to exercise the gift... just my view.

[@sally9352]

I agree with you we are God's instruments to do his will here on earth.

[@FGFWTX]

Kenneth E Hagin said it best: "My favorite gift of the Spirit is the gift I need in the moment." In my using of these gifts, I have not seen exclusivity. I've used most gifts of the Spirit at one time or another. I know what it _feels_ like when Holy Spirit warmth travels through my hand onto someone else just as much as I know a word of knowledge from the Holy Spirit's _voice_ (and not Satan's).

[@williamphelps4552]

We don't say "Seek the Giver not the Gifts" , we say "Seek his Face not his hand". In context we are to always seek His Gifts but that is not disconnected from relationship. It really is a rebuke to the more prosperity based messaging, or the doctrine that if you have enough faith your life will be perfect because God has to give you what you ask for materially..... If we seek Him to know Him as he commands then we should expect to experience His gifts operating through us. It is really more about balance and priority concerning our christian walk. Good Episode.

[@markshaneh]

Awesome, thank you for bringing back some useful teaching and discussion, we were worried that remnant radio was lost and never coming back from Kansas City ✌️

[@Elizabeth_DeB]

I grew up with cessationisme. But God show us that we were so wrong! Praise Him for His endless mercies, that we get to learn more and more day by day. Justin Peters seems so disappointed in God and people.

[@romans828.]

John MacArthur's suits could feed the homeless like kings.

[@FGFWTX]

Don't forget the three different multi-million dollar properties he owns.

[@propoolinspectors4262]

At 28:00 you demonize Cessationists for their viewpoint based on "their lack of experience." Yet, at 17:20, your own panel member asked you point blank if you have even "experienced" the results of a spiritual gift & neither of the other 2 panelists could offer confirmation. If that is the basis of spiritual gifts it doesn't sound like any of the panelists are qualified to lead/approve this discussion.

[@supersmart671]

I think its better to ask Justin what he means by the quote. As I understand what he means is the scriputures are sufficient in itself. Or the doctrine of sufficiency of scripture...God has already spoken. Secondly when God speaks through creation what Paul is speaking about general revelation not specific one.. It would be good to bring in Chris Rosebrough, Steven Kozar, .....

[@SaudaraLink]

58:30, I don't see how that's an argument for I Corinthians 14 tongues not being human languages. I suppose it could be either tongues of men or of angels. The historical Pentecostal emphasis was on human languages. And there were many accounts in the early days of the Pentecostal revival, at Azusa Street and elsewhere, of people hearing their own languages 'in tongues' and then hearing an interpretation. Sometimes the interpretation was confirmed as genuine.

[@rwinestock]

Primarily, doesn't the gift of healing work as an awareness/evangelical tool or a prophetic tool (encouragement/exhortation to individuals often young in faith or body of believers at times) vs. a promise that God would heal all whenever we invoke it? And yes, I am a continuationist just trying to view it in context of how it actually was used during and after Jesus.

[@richardmartin8788]

Love you guys, great content as always 👍

[@skyeprophet3564]

We have not been left as orphans - the continuationist's one liner to cessationists.

[@famemontana]

“For faith comes by healing? And healing by the word of spiritual gifts?” -Cessationists back to continuationists Lol all love fam. Just jokes

[@skyeprophet3564]

@@famemontana Hearing by the Holy Spirit not the Bible 🙂God is not a book despite what cessationists think.

[@skyeprophet3564]

If you get healed, you probably have more faith than a cessationist.

[@skyeprophet3564]

Healing also comes by the Holy Spirit.. strange about that.

[@skyeprophet3564]

@@famemontana Yes, let's get a whole thread of them going 🙂

[@GrammyGottaGo]

I have been on the fence about the gifts for a hot minute as some of you may know. I went to a VBS/Revival this past weekend, and for the first time, the people in the church, when they felt the presence they were falling or bent over forward. More inclined to be on their face before the Lord. It’s interesting how it’s different in this church culture.

[@GrammyGottaGo]

Wish I could afford to take the e-course!! As a disabled grandma raising two, not an option 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@littleboots9800]

@@GrammyGottaGo They often give links to ppl to access patreon content for free if they can't afford to pay for it, Josh has told ppl to email him if that is the case. Maybe they could help you out with the course, send you a few modules of it that might be of particular interest. It's worth asking? Raising kids again as a grandma must be tough, I couldn't imagine doing it all over again at my age in my mid 40s! When I see grandparents in their 50s, 60s and 70s doing it I'm very impressed at both their energy and devotion to their family. It can't be easy.

[@GrammyGottaGo]

@@littleboots9800 that’s a good idea. I might go back and look over the modules and figure out what would be most valuable.

[@mlj6293]

How do they explain the gifts from church history... st augustine even confirms seeing miracles performed and so many godly men throughout history!

[@supersmart671]

the position that is being refuted does not deny miracles (Cessiastionism seems to be spectrum). Miracles still do happen. You can hold on to view that God has already spoken and still believe in miracles...

[@mlj6293]

@@supersmart671 that's true.. thank you

[@ClaytonRyan02]

Just started watching this, but wondering if early on you guys were being gracious when the dude with the cap used Romans 1 and creation being an argument against cessationalists…? I hope you were being gracious when you said “good point”, because it was (and is!) terrible exegesis of the text.

[@KnightFrodo]

Charismatic churches reminds me of the church in Thyatira. Revelation 2:18-29. Cessationist churches remind me of the church of Ephesus. Revelation 2:1-7.

[@Papasquatch73]

I’m a little confused. It’s beginning of this I keep hearing you say the canon was closed. Are you talking about the Protestant Canaan closed in 1825 by the British and foreign Bible society

[@Steve-og4ii]

I was saved in a Charasmatic church nearly 50 years ago. My early church life was centered in this Pentecostal theology. Later,it was a mixture if Pentecostal and Baptist fellowships,( strange bedfellows for sure!) So ive had good exposure to both belief systems. I believe and have been used in the gifts,but im very concerned about so many strange practices and doctrines of Charasmatic movement in the last 25 years or so. Things like " laughing Revivals ",barking like dogs,roaring lije lions,slithering like snakes,gold dust,feathers,Epileptic like convulsions, and similar things, are bizarre, as well as unbiblical. Personally, i have zero confidence in 99% of the " prophets " today. I believe many are self appointed, most of their prophecies did not come to pass,and they have led many astray. There is so much counterfeit manifestations, that the genuine is despised as well.

[@rev.b.ryngksai]

I am not a cessationist but I would have called out Todd White on his leg lengthening trick if I had the chance or a platform like yours. (I am not aware if Remnant Radio asked him about it when he was interviewed by them or am not aware of a response by him over what seems like a magician's trick)

[@healingthroughchrist1988]

Fakers would never glorify God. If Todd White faked it, why is he giving credit to God? The kind of people who fake miracles are attention-seeking glory hogs. When it's authentic, it glorifies God. When it's fake, it glorifies man (the man will not give credit to God). Any healing or miracle can be faked, does that mean it's all fake?

[@rev.b.ryngksai]

@@healingthroughchrist1988 1. A giving of credit to God does not make a miracle genuine, a genuine miracle makes a miracle genuine; 2. Todd White has done fake miracles therefore he is a fake miracle worker (have a look at American Gospel - which Todd White said is demonic to discourage people from watching OR Mike Winger's analysis of leg lengthening miracles); 3. How many fake miracles does one have to do to be called a fake? 4. I think that Todd White is interested in seeking of attention, but I might be wrong; 5. If miracles done by Todd White or others are genuine then why are these miracle workers genuinely afraid of scrutiny by friends and enemies. Why be so diplomatic over straight forward issues?

[@ryandawson2877]

Great show… So what some people may not know is that in one Corinthians 12:1, the word gifts in many translations is italicized. It is not in the original Greek. It would literally be no concerning spiritual‘s brother and I would not have you ignorant, unaware, uninformed, etc. Then in verses four, five, and six he talks about gifts, ministries or acts of service, and operations or energizing‘s/effects, etc. Then in verse seven he defines what gifts are, which are manifestations of the Holy Spirit. Also in chapter 14 verse one, he tells us to follow after love and desire spirituals, or the things of the spirit. So sometimes when you think the word is gifts it may not be if it is italicized.

[@thelordismysalvation3870]

So do you guys also believe that "your not baptized in the holy spirit unless you have spoken in tongues." Which is a false statement.

[@romans828.]

MacArthur's 10 million dollar sanctuary is very strange fire when a poor or homeless person wouldn't dare enter there!

[@brockburlando702]

A lot of straw man arguments being made especially towards the end in regards to what Cessationist truly say and believe. I do appreciate however how the young man in the middle actually did stick up for J. Mac's point of view or at least tried to represent it well. Thank you for doing your homework in that regards. The real sad part of this podcast was when the other two guys couldn't or wouldn't call out Tod White. He is clearly a Charlton and a conman and should be condemned as a heretic.

[@reimannsum9077]

@ChristianRebel That Jesus was a man in right relationship with God who emptied himself of his divinity and ceased to be God because he walked this earth as a man, and not the unique God-Man. Despite being corrected of this heresy, even by the members of the remnant radio team, he still preaches this false Christ because it sells well when you can promise the vain and greedy power and self-glorification by becoming anointed, working in miracles just like Christ.

[@darrellwhughes777]

Praise JESUS CHRIST. About 1 1/2 years ago I felt like I was being led by the holy spirit when I came upon Street Healing videos on KZbin. So in my ignorance and curiosity I decided to test it for myself to see what would happen if anything. First I started with my cousin (started with people I know first) who had a headache and it was completely gone after one prayer. So at this point I'm thinking alright, this could be psychosomatic so keep praying and see what else happens. Prayed for my aunt next who's neck was stiff after sleeping wrong. So placed my hand on her neck and said "in the name of JESUS I command all pain to leave now." She was completely shocked as to what had happened. All pain was gone in her neck and mobility was restored. Now fast forward to today I've prayed for hundreds and hundreds of people I don't know on the streets, and just going out into town and asking if anyone would like prayer. Some of the notable things I've witnessed....People falling on the ground "slain in the spirit", "drunk in the spirit", feeling peace that they've never experienced before, having visions, people with broken arms feeling tingling/heat and something moving around in their arm, people with cancer feeling super light all over their body etc. Now with that being said I haven't seen everyone get healed. For whatever reason not everyone gets touched by the power of the holy ghost. Anyone just thought I would share my experience GOD bless

[@mlj6293]

Great job.. thank you.. cessationist are just afraid of excess and false gifts and most of all the idea that there is more of God to be experienced that they haven't had.. we all can have a greater experience of God.. let's be humble enough to admit that and desire all that God wants to give us..

[@matOpera]

The Bible never teaches there will be a New Testament Canon, or that this canon will be closed. Both of these can be true, but since they are extrabiblical teachings, they cannot be allowed to deform what the Bible does teach: continuationism until 2nd coming and the necessity of respecting and seeking the revelatory gifts of the Spirit.

[@alphonsofrett2757]

Unfortunately there are people who openly blasphemy in order to openly embarras Christianity and Christians ✝️ then they see Christians not breathe correctly and because we are not breathing correctly it allows them to say we have no respect for the Holy Spirit! Because Christians ✝️ do empty hospitals 🏥 there are people who Rebuke Christians ✝️ 🤔. Thanks for sharing your hard work and excellent Research please pardon me I have to bring this to your attention.

[@DeconTheMonkey]

If a lot of these people who belive that gifts and miracles have ceased would come and do ministry to the Indigenous people groups who are steeped in darkness, they would begin to see why God has not ceased to use the gifts. I’m from Malaysia, Borneo and it is because of the Miraculous signs that come with gospel proclamation that many turn to Jesus. You can’t just preach “words” to these communities. It is not to say that we depend on miracles- it is to say that there needs to be more than just mere logical arguments of the gospel. It is sad that they lump up all charismatics to be unbiblical and hate deep study- there are many over here that after miracles have a deep hunger to learn and go deep in theology.

[@patcandelora8496]

Can a person hold to free Grace theology and be a continuationist?

[@jonmarkbaker]

Great episode, guys.

[@javierluyanda8283]

Powerful video ! 🔥 The gifts are the Holy Spirit himself 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@ryandawson2877]

Also if we take one Corinthians 12 versus four and seven, we see what gifts are. From what I can understand, it’s not that we have any particular gift, but these gifts manifest, verse seven, through us as the spirit wheels, verse 11, and as we cooperate with him by faith. This works wonderfully if we operate in love, chapter 13, and in divine order, chapter 14.

[@PSUJerseyGirl]

I'm a continuist, but I don't believe the charismatic movement is a good barometer. A lot go on emotions and mysticism. I'm non-denominational so I can see error in both doctrines. With that said, I find JP to be haughty and angry. He wasn't healed so he angry at the charismatic movement.

[@seanspencer7781]

Fantastic video. I luff chu guys.

[@TheBdriver]

You guys should invite JP onto your show lol

[@racheljoyenns]

JP wouldn't come because he doesn't recognize these men as followers of Jesus because some of them signed a prophetic document from a couple years ago.

[@MrPaulmark19]

@@racheljoyenns That proves that Justin Peters and other DIvisive Cessationists view is always weak and inaccuarate.

[@meggy8868]

A very fine discussion