What Is Your Position On Lordship Salvation? | John MacArthur

[@wib50]

Amen, Jesus is lord, no human makes him lord.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@coriworth385]

This is the best clarification on the Lordship Salvation debate I’ve heard! “Jesus is Lord of all, Savior of some” Thank you.

[@Covelio]

Wrong haha

[@paulswilley3737]

That is the dumbest thing that’s been said EVER!

[@frankmichaud9107]

Exactly, every knee shall bow,and mouth confess,eventualy. J,Mac is the best preacher last 55 years hands down. ❤ Contend for the Faith that was once for all delivered to the Saints. Jude Verse 3,of 25 verses book. Half brother of the God Man Jesus.

[@maxmustermann1206]

"Why do you call me Lord and not do what I say?" - Jesus, Luke 6:46 "If you love me, keep my commandments" Jesus, John 14:15 Lordship salvation is absolutely Biblical. True believers will be obedient to Christ.

[@rbelf001]

Yes - it's simple and straight forward. Now watch some people make it complicated.

[@theeternalsbeliever1779]

@@perazdera2827 If what you said was true, then Luk. 23:56 and basically the entirety of Acts shouldn't show Christ's followers observing the Lev. 23 festivals. And interestingly enough, it does. The Bible hasn't changed the definition of sin from being defined as violating God's law in 1 Jhn 3:4, so yes, obedience is required.

[@chrisanok9283]

Amen

[@wib50]

So you believe your love for him saves you?

[@Covelio]

Wrong, educate yourself, your lost hoping your work will save you

[@waynehobbs5175]

Well explained, thank you and praise God.

[@Beefcake1982]

Amen. I always enjoy your message.

[@TNYTNK]

Really enjoyed the point on over-purifying the church. Overall, a helpful video, thnx brother.

[@pierredelange4077]

Love the way you view this 'dilemma'.

[@charlespackwood2055]

Jesus IS Lord! And aligning with that fact is called faith.

[@robertmog4336]

Where there is no Lord, there is no Savior. Too many Western churchians try to separate those two Offices of Christ.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Salvation vs discipleship! You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@robertmog4336]

@@Covelio Nobody said you had to work to be saved. I just pointed out that you have all of Christ or none of Him. You don't get to chop Jesus up like pro-aborts do. You don't get Him as a Savior if He's not your Lord. The Bible is clear about that. Repent of your carnal churchianity that saves no one. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord before it's too late.

[@Covelio]

unfortunately this IS false doctrine and you don't realise that your wrong! you are clearly self righteous and don't understand how to divide the word of truth. It is very clear, salvation is by faith alone in jesus alone, got back and read John. Your a calvinst lordship salvation heretic and your going to burn in hell. Change your mind (repent), not turn from sin, but go from unbelief in Jesus alone for salvation to belief, you heretic @@robertmog4336

[@Covelio]

"You don't get Him as a Savior if He's not your Lord." show me in scripture where it says this, Lord implying works along with faith..............@@robertmog4336

[@MyRoBeRtBaKeR]

Makes doesn't mean force. It means to decrease, and this decrease is to make low, to bow, to humble yourselves, that He may be exalted in your heart.

[@burkulese1980]

Amen! To claim that any branch can be attached to the True Vine and not produce the fruits of righteousness that the Vine gives to it is to render that vine powerless! Living the “Christian life” all becomes no more than a moral standard for us to try and follow in our own power. Praise God for His awesome work of regeneration! All glory be to Christ the True Vine!

[@Covelio]

Wrong! That verse about the vine and fruits is about judging teachers to discern if they are true or false. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Try again

[@burkulese1980]

@@Covelio I believe you may be referencing Matthew 7, where Jesus does teach that false teachers will be known by the fruit they bear. But I was referencing John 15, where Jesus taught that you must abide in the true vine in order to bear fruit! Maybe you should revisit that passage. We must rightly divide the word of truth… try again!

[@Covelio]

Bearing fruit in this world does not have any effect on salvation! Try again...@@burkulese1980

[@Bobepc]

@@burkulese1980 - Well said! John 15 is very clear….if a person is abiding in Christ, the fruit of righteousness will be produced in and from them. The external fruits of righteousness are the proof that someone is in Christ and is abiding in Him. We should examine ourselves by that fruit….because that is how God will judge us.

[@gregorylatta8159]

That is not about salvation. The verse pertains to discipleship.

[@davevandervelde4799]

Joel thank you for your work on this channel. I have seen and experienced a lot of what you are discussing. I have seen most Christians I know struggle with law and gospel which is directly related to this. We ask what do we have to do? I have often asked that wrong questions to myself. I think the right question is who are you? In all of your life , then you always act a certain way and aren't always deciding how to act. What flows out of Jesus as your Lord is that you are a new creation.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@davevandervelde597]

​@Covelio Correct. Nothing I do has any merit at all. But, evidence of a changed heart is present when we have put our faith in Christ.

[@JesusIsTheOnlyWayTruthLife]

Right on. 👍 All the "free grace" people in your comments, who don't get it, though. 😔 The fact of the matter is, you cannot have Jesus as Savior without Jesus as Lord of your life. And all the people who argue otherwise show very concerning beliefs. Why try to argue in any way that justifies living sinfully, unless you truly don't *hate* your sin? Which is one of the changes made when one has been indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

[@chrisanok9283]

Amen

[@CoffeeCoffeeCoffee86]

I'm all for it. It is biblical

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@CoffeeCoffeeCoffee86]

@@Covelio That's not Lordship Salvation. So, what is it? If you are saved (by grace alone,in Christ alone by faith alone) , you will produce works. That is biblical. Matthew 7,Luke 14,Galations 5,Romams 6,James 2 just to name a few places where scripture teaches this. It is not about frontlodaing works as most people who are against Lordship Salvation claim. It is about the biblical fact that after you are saved again by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone, you will produce works. Not to be saved but because you are saved.

[@danbrown586]

Some years ago, I was asked how I'd respond to someone who said, "I accept Jesus as my savior, but I'm not sure I'm ready to make him Lord." My response was similar to yours: He *is* Lord, whether you accept that or not--and if you don't accept it, it's near-certain you haven't (yet, anyway) been saved.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@danbrown586]

@@Covelio It's interesting that you call my comment false, and yet nothing you write disagrees with anything I wrote (or, indeed, with anything I believe). I agree that "you have to work to be saved" is a false gospel. I also agree that sinners must repent of their sins in order to be saved. What part of my comment made you think otherwise?

[@Covelio]

@@danbrown586 you believe a person must make Jesus their lord (discipleship) as well as their saviour by faith -- for salvation. It's a package deal with you, you cant just accept the gift! Jesus is Lord, I agree, but someone not measuring up to the standards of working as a disciple does not affect their salvation by faith alone in Jesus alone. Again.. repent.

[@danbrown586]

@@Covelio You continue to dispute things I'm not saying. Good day.

[@Covelio]

He is Lord, whether you accept that or not--and if you don't accept it, it's near-certain you haven't (yet, anyway) been saved. this is what you said, and it is FALSE! @@danbrown586

[@jammystarfish]

JMac was refuting the nonsense that was coming out of Dallas Seminary in the 80s. Esp. Zane Hodges and Chuck Ryrie

[@reformed2018]

Yup, I heard they talked about the free grace theology

[@radarashwood5397]

Yeah, and he overcorrected for the error and created another theological error.

[@blank-964]

This was really helpful and I believe accurate. Thanks.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@blank-964]

@@Covelio What are you talking about? When did I ever say my works earned my salvation? Really when I commented under this I think mainly what I was referring to his discussion of sanctification. Do you make a habit of condemning people with essentially no evidence?

[@Covelio]

If you agree with the video, you are agreeing that works are required to be saved. Very simple@@blank-964

[@blank-964]

@@Covelio That’s not true, particularly from what I said. Also please provide the time stamp when he says that in the video.

[@blank-964]

@@CovelioListen to 6:55-7:05 in the video.

[@bloodboughtbigphilr8266]

I'm on the classic Free Grace side of the issue and Sovereign Free Grace more specifically. That was a good, balanced and Biblical response Brother and especially when we have imbalances on each side of the argument. Like what you said about sanctification and there will be sanctification in the life of the saved believer but a question of what areas, to what degree and at what speed. A big problem I have with the more hardline LS exponents is the basing of assurance on perceived sanctification within themselves or what they can see externally in the lives of others. Assurance is predicated on what Christ did for us not what we do for Him. I have problems too with the attack dog element among Free Gracers who calumnize and anathematize anyone whose soteriology does not square with their own in every detail. Gian the Baptist is not like that at all and a good level headed and gracious brother. I'm not IFB and don't call myself any kind of Baptist but Gian sure represents the better less sectarian and Biblically grounded side of that movement and hopefully their future. Much blessing.

[@jammystarfish]

Lordship salvation as its called is a rejection of easy believism or "carnal Christians" who are never sanctified at all

[@radarashwood5397]

It’s not that simple. You can reject that idea without holding to the error of lordship salvation.

[@fndrr42]

@@radarashwood5397- “not that simple” is pretty much the standard response to every video this guy puts out. Law/Gospel confusion to the extreme.

[@Covelio]

False haha

[@shereewolfe5337]

The problem is Paul called carnal Christians “brethren” or brothers. And they were still in Christ 👉1 Corinthians 3:1-3 (KJV) 1 And I, BRETHREN, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even, as unto babes IN CHRIST. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? There is no way any of us ever walk completely 100% in sinless perfection, ref. I John 1:8-10. Not yet, not until we are glorified when He returns. Lordship Salvation adherents deny the reality of the carnal believer, brother in Christ. Paul didn’t. Lordship salvation in the sense that you describe backloads works onto the gospel. We are saved by faith alone BUT now you also have to do x y and c to be SAVED, so they say. That’s the same judaizing mentality Paul came against in Galatians. Its a different gospel. Its faith plus which is far worse than easy believism. IF what you mean by Lordship Salvation is a sanctified walk of abiding in Him, growing in grace, obedient and faithful, etc…..then change the wording. Call it Lordship Sanctification……most everybody would be on the same page then. But to call it Lordship Salvation leads to Galatians 1:9-10.

[@36742650885]

Please pray for me, i need the intercession of Gods Children thank you for considering

[@noahaustin4954]

Not a Calvinist here but that’ll preach my brother. Jesus is Lord, and no one can “make” Him Lord who is already. One can only recognize His Lordship.

[@RightResponseMinistries]

Amen

[@chrisanok9283]

Lordship salvation doesn't say to make him lord. It says to honor Him as Lord and obey Him as Lord. To recognize His Lordship is to submit to His way of life. Lord literally Means Master. How can we call Him Master, yet disobey all His commands?? That is the position Lordship salvationist hold

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Salvation vs discipleship! You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@mkshffr4936]

To me it seems a bit incongruous to claim salvation while remaining in rebellion.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Salvation vs discipleship! You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@mkshffr4936]

@@Covelio I never said you have to be saved but you do have repent. If you remain in rebellion you have not repented. As the Lord said you know a tree by it's fruit.

[@joshnelson3344]

If you think about it, the whole “walk the aisle” and “invite Jesus into your heart” for salvation message is just another form of works righteousness. It tells people, if you DO this, then you EARN salvation.

[@jaronbell1329]

Most preachers who have people walk aisles and such don't actually preach that that's what saves you. It's just that a lot of people take it that way.

[@wib50]

The walk the isle thing is for people to publicly profess that their trust is in christ. Of course people shouldn't trust the act of walking the isle for salvation. Lordship salvationists pretend to see in the heart of anyone who has done this and assume they are trusting in their act. They basically say they are the judge instead of God.

[@Camilodocan-ek1ls]

Lordship salvation is truly teach free grace...omitting Jesus' Lordship is an act of "dualism".

[@samckwong]

so Jesus is Lord but not my lord, i can be saved while i served money as my lord , that great, thank you preachers

[@chrisanok9283]

Well that is the position they hold to since Jesus doesn't have to be Your Lord

[@BobbyU808]

The scriptures plainly declare that God has made Jesus whom we have crucified *both* Lord and Christ. And if God has declared it, then it is true whether a man calls upon the Lord or not. Acknowledging and accepting that Jesus is both Lord and Christ is the surest path to salvation, assuming one’s faith is genuine. _“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36)._ Maranatha

[@GaryWGrice]

My issue with lordship salvation is it puts emphasis on works the focal point becomes flesh instead of Christ who is the most blessed. All fruit comes from the true vine Christ.

[@mikekatz6024]

How do you measure that? Count of sins daily, what is the daily standard? How many sins? Zero? 100?

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Salvation vs discipleship! You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@StarAccount-km1rt]

John Piper stated: God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .

[@zombillyboogie9370]

The problem that I continue to see in Calvinism is this idea but if you’re a Christian then this or that will happen instead of saying that if you want these things to happen then you must submit to the Lord and be obedient. Obedience is an active action, it’s not passive.

[@zebra2346]

Heres what i wrote to someone who is caught up in works righteousness, but this addresses the Lordship salvation controversy So if you are a Christian, does that mean you become morally perfect? Can you be perfect in thought word and deed? Because that's basically what you're saying. Sinless perfection after becoming a Christian is not taught in the Bible. Just read 1 Corinthians; The Corinthians Paul wrote to had all kinds of sin problems, yet Paul affirmed that they were Christians. in fact the Apostle Paul himself taught that as a Christian he still sinned. He said, For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. Romans 7:18‭-‬19 ESV Also consider... as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Romans 3:10‭-‬12 ESV The bible verses you cited must be interpreted with other scriptures in mind. Luke 6:46-48 and Matthew 5:48 can not be talking about justification by works because of the other scriptures in the New Testament that teach justification by faith. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8‭-‬9 ESV For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. Romans 3:28 ESV And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Romans 4:5 ESV Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 5:1 ESV and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith- Philippians 3:9 ESV yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified. Galatians 2:16 ESV I have been born again as a Christian since 2000, but I still struggle with the same desires and the same sins I had before I was born again, and i still fall into sin. I can not keep the laws of God in thought, word, or deed, so I flee to Christ and the comfort of the gospel for refuge. Friend It's so important to distinguish between the Law and the Gospel. I'll explain. The Law commands us and tells us how we ought to live. We are Incapable of keeping God's laws. We can not keep the Ten Commandments. We are incapable of perfect obedience. We can not Love as we are commanded. For example...Love is not Gospel, it is Law. Love is a command, and we all fail to love God, the Christian God, with our heart soul mind and strength, and we all fail to love our neighbor as ourself. The law is merciless and serves to show us our inability to keep God's laws, it accuses us and only serves to condemn us, demonstrating our guilt before a holy and just God who must punish sin. For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. James 2:10 ESV For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. Romans 3:20 ESV Jesus said this... For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20 ESV The Gospel tells us what God has done for us. It is the free, unmerited gift of God, of salvation by faith alone in Jesus Christ, apart from works of the Law, by trusting Jesus, that He was perfectly obedient to the Law of God, and recieved the penalty for our sins and died the death that we deserve so that we can be forgiven. The Gospel places no demands on us to do any good works for our justification, relying only on the Person and work of Jesus Christ for our justification. Our salvation and our assurance of salvation is based on the finished work of Jesus Christ and not our own acts of obedience. By faith alone in Jesus we are free from the curse of the Law, and our standing before God is always perfect, even when we fail to keep God's Law. This is the simplicity of the Gospel.... if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9 ESV If a person struggles with sins and they become born again, that doesn't mean they are not born again. Those desires and sins only confirm that they are Incapable of keeping God's Laws, driving them to the Gospel and Jesus Christ for refuge. What's most important is their standing before God because of their faith in Christ. There is, therefore, now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1 ESV We are "in Christ" by faith, not by the works of the law. We do not maintain our right standing before God by doing more Christian things and trying harder to keep the Law, but by trusting Jesus who kept the Law perfectly for us and recieving the punishment we deserve for our sins. This is the beauty and simplicity of the gospel Try this. When you read your Bible, ask whether a certain verse or passage you're reading is Law or Gospel. When Jesus said, You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Matthew 5:48 ESV ....this is Law, and we can not keep the law of God as scripture teaches. But we can be "accounted" as perfect by recieving the righteousness of Christ as a gift by faith. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. 2 Corinthians 5:21 ESV Below is Gospel. It demands no works of the Law, and we receive everything simply by believing in Jesus “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 ESV

[@RickZolaBuckeyeBeliever]

Excellent Zebra

[@journeyfortwo5211]

Well said. I think people are mistaking what Macarthur and other proponents of lordship salvation are teaching for works salvation. We need to be more gracious with brothers

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@journeyfortwo5211]

@@Covelio who said you have to work to be saved? This is exactly what I'm talking about. You somehow jumped to the assumption that this is my opinion, rather than judging my words for what they say. How can you talk about rightly dividing the word of truth when you read another meaning into what I said

[@LaMOi1]

That IS what Washer and MacArthur are combating! Absolutely. They are good trustworthy servants of Christ. They’re not perfect. But I’d rather throw my lot in with these guys than 70% of the evangelical preaching in the West today.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@cary222]

Partial sanctification is a new idea to me. It sounds like an extra biblical teaching.

[@jakeluna1888]

Only good Christians are going to heaven, I fully agree. 👍

[@Bobepc]

Essentially, that’s true! By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God (1 Jn 3:10).

[@luboshcamber1992]

This is your first video where I can agree to everything you have said brother. That's great! Good response - and this time, truly the right one. God bless.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Salvation vs discipleship! You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@ChristyOFaghan]

this is a good one, though that may be a subjective response to hearing Christ glorified :)

[@maxvaldez7412]

My position on lordship salvation and when saved oh, we saved is that satan is in both theologies

[@kellybridges4795]

Could you comment on 1 Timothy 4:10, where it says God is saviour of all men especially to believers.

[@JesusIsTheOnlyWayTruthLife]

We know that the rest of Scripture indicates that not all people will be saved, therefore with a verse like this, that means that "Savior" must not mean salvifically when it comes to *all* people. One must then dig in to understand that "Savior" for all people means something different than the kind of salvation referenced in, "especially of believers." With a Google search of, "1 Timothy 4:10 meaning," you can research it. I think the Monergism article explains it pretty well. Apparently, I'm not able to post links in the comments, so that's why the above directions.

[@mikekatz6024]

Doesn't Acts 16:31 say, what must i do to be saved? Believe on the lord Jesus christ and thou salt be saved. Done deal.

[@Covelio]

THIS is truth. But what the man in the video said. He is a liar and the truth is not in him !

[@alharris1508]

Billy Graham said there are many ways to God other than Jesus...I wont use Billy as an example

[@haiasinosdnah0813]

I don’t think he was using Billy Graham as an example, in fact he was stating that John MacArthur was made certain theological statements to counter the bad doctrines of Billy Graham such as easy believism. Pastor Joel was definitely not promoting Billy Graham.

[@alharris1508]

@haiasinosdnah0813 thank you for the explanation 🙏🏼

[@preppedforeternityhomestea2848]

Powerful

[@jaronbell1329]

Not that I wholly endorse Billy Graham but he never said that a person can be saved by walking down an aisle. He preached repentance as being necessary for salvation. I wouldn't call his preaching easy believism.

[@davidkunze2770]

Pastor, as Jesus hung on the cross for us all He said to the thief beside Him that today he would be with Jesus in paradise. Paul said to the jailer to believe (trust) the Lord Jesus Christ and he would be saved. Salvation is a very simple thing, a free gift, but so hard to receive freely. Blessings

[@mkshffr4936]

Still an apple tree does not bear grapefruit.

[@pilgrim6253378]

David - excellent point. Salvation is simple. Simply believe. Simply trust Christ for it. Unfortunate for many that's not easy. They (like the Lordship Salvation camp) keep looking at themselves for assurance. It sadly shows they are trusting in their performance rather than simply in the finished work of Christ. May they stop looking at themselves and trust in Christ alone.

[@mkshffr4936]

@@pilgrim6253378 Do you understand what it means that a bad tree does not produce good fruit and vice versa? You have it backwards. We do not trust in our works including our "decision". However we know that we have not received regeneration and faith if we do not have a desire to obey and honor His lordship even as we often fail. Where there is faith there is repentance. If there is no submission it is appropriate to be skeptical of our supposed regeneration. By faith alone but not by faith that is alone.

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

@@mkshffr4936 pilgrim6253378 had it correct. Assurance does not come from our works, not from looking at ourselves, not from the opinions of others, but from Scripture. Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. 1st John 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

[@mkshffr4936]

@@TheMaineSurveyor Our assurance comes from God's sovereign promise to keep His sheep. As you illude to our actions did not precipitate our redemption neither do they maintain it. The discussion, however, is not about assurance but evidence. False conversion and false assurance walk hand in hand.

[@devoted72]

Jesus says in John 3 speaking with Nicodemus, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’" --easy believe-ism people aren't being born again because there is no death to their flesh and re-birth in the Spirit. They keep going along as they always have NOT living in the light of Galatians 2:20 which tells us, "i have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer i who live but Christ who lives in me, and the life i now live in the flesh i live by faith in the Son of God who loves me and gave Himself for me." --and by His grace after salvation we are being sanctified, renewed day by day by the Holy Spirit. --grateful for God showing me there is more to life than the hoopla of easy believe-ism of false churches. the Grace of God ain't cheap 💜

[@daledial7980]

Every knee will bow and EVRY toung WILL confess that Jesus is LORD! Very glad to hear you understand this correctly. "Ask Jesus to come into your heart" is not in the scriptures, nor is it implied in the scriptures. When the rich young ruler came to Jesus and asked Him "what must I do to enter the kingdom," what did Jesus say? "All you have to do is invite Me into your heart." Oops, no that is not what He said. Did the rich young ruler get saved that day? No he did not. Did Jesus have compassion for the rich young ruler? Yes. Then why did he not get saved that day? Because he was unwilling to recognize and submit to Jesus as Lord.

[@Covelio]

False. You have to believe from the heart, not ask him into your heart 🤦‍♂️ Genuine saving faith. ALONE You must rightly divide the word of truth. Salvation vs discipleship! You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@Covelio]

The rich young ruler was also self righteous.

[@ravinglunatic299]

Romans 10:9-10 says because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. So you must confess that he is Lord and believe that he was raised from the dead . The issue with man is unbelief. One must forsake your false gods and proclaim that Jesus is Lord.

[@azarpiano]

A'men. Jesus is Lord of all. ✝️ Esther 13:11 [11]Thou art Lord of all things, and there is no man that can resist thee, which art the Lord.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@ManassehJones]

At 4:14 the Spirit of Truth used your mouth and voice.

[@chrisanok9283]

I believe you

[@JonathanGrandt]

There are no degrees of sanctification. Unless by sanctification you mean something other than sanctification.

[@Second_Insight]

I think another way of saying MacArthur’s Lordship salvation is obedience salvation. Is your desire to obey Christ or just have fire insurance?

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

Calling it obedience salvation gives it the appearance of works-based salvation, which is a different gospel. Our assurance does not come from our obedience, not from looking at ourselves, not from the opinions of other people, but from Scripture. Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. 1st John 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

[@jamesmongeau7191]

I think I understand what you mean when you say that our assurance doesn’t come from our obedience, but as it stands like that, it’s just not accurate. 1 John as a whole deals primarily with the issue of assurance, and one of the tests by which you can see if you are in the faith is indeed obedience, along with other things, such as doctrine, bible truth, Christian fellowship, love, and the testimony of the Holy Spirit. I think I know what your trying to say, but your doing exactly what MacArthur is doing, trying too hard to reject a certain false teaching that your failing to account for and speak the way the bible itself speaks about the issue of assurance.

[@chrisanok9283]

@@jamesmongeau7191 that is truth. 1 john is the test and obedience is the prevalent test

[@bibletheology2889]

Paul is very clear that a sinner must belive that Jesus Christ is LORD, BEFORE they are saved! " 9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "Everyone believing on Him shall not be put to shame." 12 For there is no difference both of Jew and of Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call on Him. 13 For everyone, "whoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans chapter 10) "29 Then asking for a light he rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 And leading them outside, he said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved, and your household. 32 And they spoke the Word of the Lord to him, and to all who were in his household" (Acts chapter 16) You CANNOT have Jesus Christ THE SAviour, without Jesus Christ THE LORD!

[@idriveastationwagon1534]

Whether if LS is true or false, if you’re saved, then the Blood of Christ isn’t a license to sin. Go read Romans 6 and Titus 2:11-12. Anyone who thinks it’s a sin license, then I hope God chastise you.

[@marleyandme447]

Lordship salvation? Is there another kind?

[@haiasinosdnah0813]

Didn’t Thomas profess Jesus as Lord and God? John‬ ‭20‬:‭28‬-‭29, “Thomas answered and said to Him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed.’” I’m not sure what these Lordship deniers are getting at. How is professing Jesus as Lord and submitting to His Lordship a works based salvation in their eyes?

[@lakemnster9495]

I don’t get it. Is this seriously a question? What could possibly be the other side of this “argument?”

[@ChathuraImbulagoda]

saviour of some, yes. and he becomes your saviour by simple faith alone without the works of the Law. you cant look to anyones works to tell whether or not someone is justified before God, in the dispensation of Grace.

[@chrisanok9283]

Sorry but that goes against what Jesus taught. He said you will know them by their fruit. Your saying we won't know either way, including by observing their fruit.

[@ChathuraImbulagoda]

@@chrisanok9283 is that right? Let me ask, is fornication, having your fathers wife a fruit of the spirit? Then how is the puffed up (unrepentant) Corinthia fornicator in 1cor 5 still saved? What you failed to realise is that I said “in the dispensation of grace” There are two ministries, two gospels. One gospel of the Kingdom where you have to do works to prove your faith. And one Gospel of the grace of God today in the dispensation of grace where your saved by faith alone. Our works having zero contribution into our justification. You need to rightly divide the word of truth.

[@chrisanok9283]

@@ChathuraImbulagoda Two gospels?? Funny, Paul says in Gal 1 that there is only one gospel. We also learn in acts that Paul was preaching the kingdom gospel.

[@ChathuraImbulagoda]

@@chrisanok9283 yeah 1 gospel where by we are saved today. Why do you think he reiterated that the Gosple that HE preached is NOT after man nor was he taught it but was revealed to him by the Lord Jesus? Why after approximately 20 years do you think Paul went up to Jerusalem to explain the Gospel to Peter in Gal 2. And where does Paul preach the kingdom is at hand?

[@ChathuraImbulagoda]

@@chrisanok9283 you didn’t answer any of the points I made in my earlier comment to you.

[@kellywilsonid]

Thank you for this! I’d love to see you bring to light & refute Andrew Farley on this topic.

[@Covelio]

False. You must rightly divide the word of truth. Salvation vs discipleship! You are not saved if you think you have to work to be saved! Repent

[@kellywilsonid]

@@Covelio always enjoy those who bring a truck load of assumption to the comment section. Thank you. What would you like me to repent of? I made no truth claims… I made no comment about salvation, how one is saved, or discipleship. Can you please explain why you feel I need to repent?

[@Covelio]

you agree with this video and believe lordship salvation, your not born again, your not saved, you don't rely on Jesus alone to save you. PERIOD@@kellywilsonid

[@kellywilsonid]

@@Covelio glad you found the courage to respond. I see you’re ability to assume is stuck on 11. I am guessing your taking someone else’s broken definition of Lordship salvation and trying to apply it to everyone across the board without….. again…… seeking clarification. Simply put, of course I rely solely on Jesus for my salvation. He is the one who gave me the faith to believe, and ‘works’ are a fruit of salvation, not a root.

[@jacobissac6948]

then why does Jesus say "why do you call me Lord?" (Luke 6:46)

[@oracleoftroy]

Luke 6: 46 - Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ _and not do what I tell you?_ The second half of that verse is pretty important to understanding the question Jesus asked.

[@chrisanok9283]

Jesus was saying Whats the point of the formal title when you don't even obey my words. He then says what will happen to those who don't

[@gregorylatta8159]

Lordship is basically modern Calvinism. Wrong in any era.

[@2Chronicles714_]

Yes Jesus is Lord. Is He Lord of everyone? The obvious answer is if He was we would be living in a totally different world. Jesus gives us 2 choices. Matthew 10:32-33 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. You either confess or you deny. If you fail to confess then you are in effect denying. Each of us has to come to a point where we publicly acknowledge our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Wherever you go let people know you believe Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus is Lord. If He is our Lord, what does "Lord " mean. It means someone who is to be obeyed. Luke 6:46-49 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? 47Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like: 48He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock. 49But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great. It's futile to call Him Lord if you don't obey. How does a wise man build? James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. There are no promises for those who hear only,but a hearer and a doer. In John chapter 14 Jesus in essence is saying farwell to the disciples gives a marvelous revelation of what the Bible should mean to us as believers in verse 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. He has made a distinction between those who do not acknowledge Jesus and His own disciples. Then in verse 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? He said thatbecause Jesus said the world will not see Me but you will see me. His question was how will you manifest yourself to us and not to the world? In verse 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. There are some important facts in the answer of Jesus. First Jesus said He would reveal Himself to His disciples not the world. What's the distinguishing mark between the disciples and the world? The answer is keeping the Word of God. True disciples keep the Word of Jesus.That's what makes you or otherwise prevents you from being a true disciple.Its your relationship to the word of God. Keeping God's Word distinguishes disciples from the world. [ We are in one or the other category. If we're disciples we keep the Word of God, if we don't keep the Word of God we belong to the world, the world that isn't under the Lordship of Jesus ] Jesus said if anyone loves Me he will keep my Word.So keeping God's Word is the Supreme test of the disciples love for God. Love is the motivation for obedience. As believers we are not motivated by fear but by love. In a certain sense the law used the motivation of fear. As with children fear will control them but once they leave leave if they've been motivated by fear they'll change. The only thing that will keep them faithful and loyal is love. God didn't build on fear but on love. If any man loves Me he will keep my Word and My Father will love him. Keeping God's Word is what causes God to love us with a special love. It's through keeping the Word that we get to know Jesus better. If we're not lovers of the Word and obedient God will not make His dwelling place with us. You don't love God more than you love His Word. It should take your breath away that God the Father and God the Son want to abide with us, but only if we keep God's Word.

[@gianthebaptist]

MacArthur went way too far, to the point that his error became even greater than those he was originally opposing. Taught a whole generation of preachers and people to trust in their obedience for salvation or assurance. When your takeaway from the rich young ruler story is that the ruler couldn't get saved because he wasn't willing to give up all his possessions, you've collapsed law and gospel in a monstrous fashion. I agree overall with your assessment, but I also think you are being overly generous to MacArthur. Thanks for your answer Pastor Joel. I appreciate your videos and ministry. P.s. it's pronounced "John" 😂

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

Well said!

[@jamesmongeau7191]

So then, pray tell, what is the take away of the story of the rich young ruler? Why wasn’t he saved?

[@gianthebaptist]

@@jamesmongeau7191 because he wasn't willing to admit his guilt before God. Rather than admit that he had not kept the law, he doubled down and affirmed he had kept it from his youth up. Jesus Christ exposes his hypocrisy by pointing out that had he actually kept the law, he would have given to the poor. The rich young ruler walked away defeated rather than to humbly acknowledge his need for a saviour. Jesus never gave him the gospel. He gave him law only. The ruler was not ready for the gospel.

[@chrisanok9283]

@@gianthebaptist funny, that's not what I got. The rich ruler wasn't saved because he wasn't willing to Part from his true love which was money. Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[@markbonlastimosa4491]

Hi, @Gian The Baptist! I would like to ask, does John MacArthur really taught a "whole generation of preachers and people to trust in their obedience for salvation or assurance"?

[@KevinDay]

There are a lot of soteriological issues that I disagree with you on, but this video is perfect!

[@jimkraft9445]

There is no outward evidence of salvation. A person is saved by faith apart from any works. Romans 4:5-8. Lordship salvation says, Lord of all or not lord at all. The bible says, saved forever or not saved at all. Romans 1:16. John 6:47. False teachers, the wolves in sheeps clothing like John Macarthur preach a false gospel of works salvation, not the free gift of God by a one time faith alone. John 6:40. And this is the will of Him who sent me, Jesus speaking, that all that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have EVERLASTING LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY. John 6:29. Jesus, answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye BELIEVE ON THE ONE HE HAS SENT. John 12:32. John 3:14-18. John 6:47. John Macarthur in his book "Hard to be saved" made this statement. It is not the words we speak but the life we live that determines our eternal destiny. HOGWASH. IT is the life Jesus lived and His imputed righteousness that saves us. Romans 4:6. Romans 8:9. Without the Spirit there is no salvation. With the Spirit we are born of God. Ephesians 1:13-14. There is no abortion in Gods family. John 1:12. A changed life is proof that a person has not received the free gift. Saving faith is believing that Jesus died in our place and took the punishment we deserve so we do not have to go to hell to pay our sin debt. John 3:18. PAID IN FULL. NO LONGER CONDEMNED. Romans 11:6. John 3:16 Jesus said it, we believe it, and that settles it. First Timothy 2:4. Second Peter 3:9. One drop of poison in a glass of clean water makes the whole glass poison. One work added to grace is a perverted gospel that cannot save sinners. Romans 11:6. Romans 1:16. Let the Lordship damnationist be accursed for preaching a false gospel of works salvation. Not the free gift of God by a one time faith alone in Jesus alone apart from any works.

[@jimkraft9445]

Romans 6:23 For the penalty for sin is death, physical death, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. The GIFT of God is eternal life. Lordship salvation is a false gospel made up by men. The GIFT of God is eternal life. Lordship salvation is man saving himself, which makes the cross of no effect. Acts 16:31 Period. Faith alone in Christ alone apart from any works. To add any works to what Jesus has already done, John 3:18, is a perverted gospel that cannot save. The term cheap grace is blasphemy. It cost Jesus everything and cost us nothing. Romans 11:6. Calvinism is a lie made up by a man. John 3:16-18. First John 2:2. And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. John 3:18. Christ died for everyone, but only those who accept the gift are saved. Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, (First Corinthians 15:1-4) For it is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Galatians 1:6-9 Though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that we have preached unto you, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. As we said before, so say I again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received from us, LET HIM BE ACCURSED. The second we accept Jesus as our savior we are sealed by that Holy Spirit of promise unto the praise of His glory. Ephesians 1:13-14 Our guarantee of eternal life. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are SEALED UNTO THE DAY OF REDEMPTION. First John 5:13. These things have I written unto you that BELEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 6:47. Those who preach Lordship salvation are accursed of God. It is a works based gospel not the free gift of God by a one time faith alone in Jesus finished work on the cross plus nothing. Jesus Paid it all and we paid 0. Romans 3:26-28.

[@douglaspendergraft1055]

Do we REALLY want the Baptism of the Holy Ghost? If so, we need to obey the same GOSPEL that the early disciples obeyed and preached. Todays gospel has been so watered down that it instructs us to only "believe" and then we are "good to go". But there is no POWER in this and it is NOT the gospel that the disciples of Christ obeyed in the book of Acts. "Believing" is the gateway to "Obeying" the TRUE GOSPEL. However, believing in and of itself is not a complete response to the entire GOSPEL. Jesus said "BELIEVE", yes that is true. But Jesus further expounds "BELIEVE AS THE SCRIPTURES CONTINUE TO SAY" (John 7:38) Jesus instructed His disciples to baptize. He didn't speak this directive just to give them "busy" work. In the scriptures below, we see example after example after example of what the listeners DID after HEARING the True Gospel. There is a pattern here. Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Why mention baptism in the scripture if baptism is irrelevant? Because it is relevant. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Again, The disciples of Jesus Christ baptized. Joh 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John, Joh 4:2 (Though Jesus himself baptized not, but his disciples,) Peter is preaching the Gospel. He doesn't say, "for the few of you that feel the need to get baptized, go for it!" No, he says, "Be baptized every one of you..." Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Those that gladly received the Gospel that Peter preached got baptized. Those who rejected the Gospel he preached, didn't. Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: Philip is preaching the same Gospel. As a result, the people believed and as a result of that belief, they got baptized. Acts 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Simon heard the Gospel. He believed and as a result, he got baptized. Acts 8:13 Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Philip preached the Gospel to a eunuch. As a result, the eunuch does not say, "I believe in Jesus" and then go on his way. Instead, he wants to get baptized as soon as possible. Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. Peter preaches the Gospel. As the people heard, the Holy Ghost descended and filled them. Afterwards, Peter instructs them to get baptized in the Name of The Lord and is alluding that no man should get in the way of that process. He did not say, "It's optional" (Acts 10:37-48) Acts 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Paul and Silas preach to the keeper of the prison. Paul says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ." but he does not stop there. He preached the word of the Lord and as a result, the keeper of the prison and his household were baptized. Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. 33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Another instance where people heard the Gospel. They believed and as a result, those who believed were baptized. Act 18:8 And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. In Acts 19:1-9, Paul is asking a "believer" if they have received the baptism of the Holy Ghost since they believed. They haven't heard about the Holy Ghost. So what does Paul start asking about? He asked how they were baptized. They had been baptized according to John's baptism of repentance. After Paul explained the gospel more clearly (since Jesus had since risen), they got Re-baptized. But this time, it was in the Name of The Lord. Because they repented and got baptized in the name of the Lord, God was obligated to baptize them in the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38), because it is His Promise (Acts 2:39) If you read further in Acts 19:8-9, you will see that certain people BELIEVED NOT and started speaking evil of the gospel that Paul preached. 19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve. 8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God. 9 But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of that way before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus. The response to the TRUE GOSPEL includes: 1) Repentance (acknowledging and turning away from sin) and 2) Baptism in the Name of Jesus and as a result, that individual shall 3) Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Jesus tells what happens when we "BELIEVE AS THE SCRIPTURES CONTINUE TO SAY" John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Which Gospel of Jesus Christ will you believe? The one that the early disciples of Jesus Christ preached as documented in the Bible? Or the modified/simplified/modernized version that would be considered "Another gospel" by Paul. Paul says the person that preaches "Another gospel" is accursed. Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. Do yourself a HUGE favor. Don't take reckless chances with your salvation. OBEY the TRUE GOSPEL. Acts 2:38 clearly tells us that if we will 1) repent of our sin and 2) get water baptized in the name of Jesus, 3) then God is OBLIGATED to baptize us with the Holy Spirit. Why? Because Acts 2:39 goes on to say that this promise is for every single one of us! So, the question is simple: Have we done steps 1 and 2 so that God can perform step 3 in our lives?

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

Sanctification is monergistic; the Holy Spirit will bring forth fruit in the believer. The believer should be encouraged that the Holy Spirit is doing the work of sanctification in him or her. The assurance for this is found in the Bible: Philippians 1:6 And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

[@ManassehJones]

WORD!

[@JesusIsTheOnlyWayTruthLife]

Justification is monergistic, but sanctification is not. If it were, then why would we be able to choose to spend time reading the Bible and praying on any given day, or not? If it were monergistic, we'd never give in to sin. There are plenty of times where I wish we could only choose toward the Lord, but alas, this is not the case. There are many references in the Bible which show that once a person is saved, we must choose to obey the Lord, and to allow Him to work in us. We maintain our ability to give in to our flesh, which will only stop once we die and are glorified.

[@TheMaineSurveyor]

@@JesusIsTheOnlyWayTruthLife That sounds exactly like lordship salvation to me. A couple years ago, I would have agreed with you wholeheartedly. Since coming to reformed theology, I no longer hold to lordship salvation, the reason being rooted entirely in the Scriptures. At the end of Galatians 5, we see the Fruit of the Spirit. The Holy Spirit brings forth that fruit, not us. We are still able to sin, as we still live in corruptible bodies (1 Corinthians 15, Romans 7, I John 1:9-10), but any obedience in our lives is completely a work of the Holy Spirit, and to God be the glory for that.

[@chrisanok9283]

@@TheMaineSurveyor regardless of where the source of obedience is coming from, a result of being saved is obedience and a desire to live holy

[@huntsman528]

I'm really curious on this question.

[@alexcameron2880]

It's heresy. Pure heresy. Let everyone who follows these doctrines of demons be accursed.

[@Bobepc]

By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God (1 Jn 3:10).

[@alexcameron2880]

@@Bobepc Good thing righteousness is obtained by Christ crediting it to me. Nice try, Pharisee.

[@alexcameron2880]

@@Bobepc Obviously, you didn't read the verse before this...

[@Bobepc]

@@alexcameron2880 - I didn’t mean to offend you by simply quoting scripture, but here is a fuller context if that helps: Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. And you know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him orknows Him. Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, that He might destroy the works of the devil. No one who isborn of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother. (1 Jn 3:3-10)

[@alexcameron2880]

@@Bobepc Buddy, I'm not offended. But in the verse before, it states what happens to a born again believer. The born again believer CAN and WILL still sin. However, a spiritual circumcision occurs upon the moment of belief and a new creature is made that CANNOT sin. This is the incorruptible seed. Our flesh sins, but our new creature cannot. Please don't be a Pharisee and pluck random verses out of context to attempt to win an online debate. God's Word is perfect and clear.

[@rbelf001]

I have listened to and followed John MacArthur for many years and I often asked myself, "John, where is the Grace"? It's not my observation alone. Another ex Roman Catholic made the same observation on his KZbin Channel. Growing up under that dogma we knew salvation was just about impossible, only the truly pure would enter into God's Kingdom, and If they performed 2 or more bona fide miracles, then they would be recognized as Saints, right here and now. That comes awful close to some Evangelical churches where they preach "narrow is the gate." And then they claim miracles happen when they call upon the Lord and use his name. Isn't that different sides of the same coin? In an age of narcissism the concept of free grace and the sovereignty of God is hard to accept. Just an observation.

[@davidrosenthal5795]

That it is fantasy and has no real hold in reality!

[@onceamusician5408]

Lordship Salvation is legalism. therefore apostasy and heresy

[@chrisanok9283]

It's truth

[@timothymccaleb649]

"You" do not make Jesus lord HE IS LORD. Lordship salvation is a bullshit topic brought up recently to confuse people.

[@Camilodocan-ek1ls]

Lordship salvation is truly teach free grace...omitting Jesus' Lordship is an act of "dualism".