Saucony Endorphin Speed 3 vs Saucony Kinvara Pro: Which plated shoe should you get?

[@orinb9918]

I've done 3 runs now in the Kinvara Pros for marathon training (75+km) - a 15km speed workout (8*800m repeats at a 5k pace) a 30k long run with pickups (5x1k at marathon pace) and a 30k long run without pickups. I found the shoe to be great at a long run, great for picking up the pace to the marathon speed in a long run, but found it a bit heavy to do the full 8 reps at higher speed and found the last few sets I struggled to turn the shoes over fast enough to go at a 5k pace. So I think that is where this works best; as part of a rotation where the focus is long runs and long runs where you have to pick up the pace for an extended period and then leave the speed runs where you are going at 10k or 5k pace to a faster shoe like the Speed 3s. I used to do my long runs in the Triumph 20s, but they now have more than 500km in them and are going to be used for easy/recovery runs going forward.

[@thomasvg4371]

Thank you for your comment! Which one do you prefer for your long runs? Triumph 20 or Kinvara Pro?

[@karls8989]

i have been able to pick up the pace close to 7 minute miles for long sustained periods. Maybe it just doesn't work for these guys but it is better shoe than they are giving it credit for.

[@mrsatter5575]

The experience in the pro is a lot better when ur over 200lbs

[@roostermiller]

I have just over 100km in my kinvara pro and the kinvara pro should be called the kinvara protective. Its not design for speed, thats what the speed is designed for. I define it as a shoe that you want to get the most miles in and not worry about pace or how fast you complete a distance, but you just want to get alot of work done in the most protective way and recover so you can do it again and improve your running.

[@liquorinthefrontpokerinthe3881]

meh the speed 1 and 2 was designed for speed. i feel like they tried to make the speed 3 into more of a daily and ruined it slightly

[@mitchelpenn8464]

The pro works better if you need the stability. Agree works better for heavier runners.

[@mattw785]

Not sure I see point of it if Triump just does it better?

[@nerdhoy]

The only downside I can honestly think of the ES3 is its outsole, having adequate but not amazing wet traction. Apart from that it's pretty much perfect. 😂

[@chinitopogi7511]

If they could use the powerrun HG, or powerrun plus to make it more comfortable, bouncy and springy

[@karls8989]

to me i can pick up the pace in both of them. the pro has better speedroll because of its weight imo

[@sahacking]

The Endorphin Speed 3 is a great shoe except for the terrible traction on wet roads. It's outrageous that Saucony continues its failure to correct this issue through three iterations of both the Endorphin Speed and the Endorphin Pro.

[@romrome]

A question: which do you prefer.... the Speed 3 or the SC trainer 2 in terms of versatility and speed sessions?

[@liquorinthefrontpokerinthe3881]

speed 3

[@f_youtubecensorshipf_nazis]

It must be the foam on the speed that makes the traction drop. I have a couple iterations of the Triumphs and always thought they had the same outsole. Never had traction problems that I can recall.

[@Fit-simplelife]

So what are some shoes that have a good bounce I personally love that nova blast 3 and I have the speed 3 but have not had the chance to put miles on them so don’t know how bouncy the speed 3 is but what other shoes would you recommend

[@jamesjin8839]

Seriously, drop a good 200 for a daily trainer nowadays? for real? I mean, it's not the numbers. As some one who also do photography I'm no stranger to single lens cost 2-3 grand easily. But a 200 trainer shoe is kinda starting to get ridiculous now, especially if it's not something you invest to make a return with. And also, remember there is totally no rubber outsole on this 200 shoe.

[@theghostofpcs2391]

And even someone like me, who isn't a high mileage runner (30-35 km per week), would still need more than one pair of shoes to get through the year, so it's not something I would consider.

[@jamesjin8839]

@@theghostofpcs2391 Exactly. That's a great addition to what I mentioned. We burn through shoes by half a year or even within months. This is simply too bad of a pacakge as a whole for asking.

[@darthjohn0]

I just got the Saucony Triumph 20 for $80 and Asics Magic Speed 2 for $75 (Sports Basement). I also got clearance Endorphin Pro 2s earlier this year. If you're willing to wait and don't care about color ways, bargains are to be had when shoes are updated and previous model inventories are liquidated.

[@vincewarne228]

@@darthjohn0- for most shoes, this is exactly what I do. Discount shoes are the way to go! If it was a great shoe last year it’s still a great shoe this year.

[@NicholasHallows]

There's never been a more one-sided versus.

[@HS99876]

Very good review, I tried on the Speed 3, I find it narrow, I have to try the wide version . I don't have wide feet,

[@faithfmrunning-ts3lq]

Wow. You have a Speed 3 tree 🤯🤯🤯

[@jicalzad]

so, what are the Endorphin Speed 3 competitors?

[@liquorinthefrontpokerinthe3881]

boston 12

[@Gsjidxhj]

Superblast

[@Damoboyle]

Kieran talking about stability after showing a close up without a heel lock 😂

[@nicklas6973]

Heel lock has nothing to do with stability. It’s for “heel” security.

[@Damoboyle]

@@nicklas6973 "Prevents your heel from slipping out of the shoe and reduces excessive movement of the foot in the shoe." That sure sounds like stability to me, numbnuts?

[@chwhjjc8820]

How about blind test? Wear shoes with covered eyes and try to answer what on your foot? If answers will be wrong - it means that there is no big difference between shoes.