Charmcaster Kills Ben 10 and His Team

[@fortheloveofgodlaugh2981]

"Vilgax died trying to kill us" I imagine this was written before Vilgax returned in UA for the beginning of the Daggon arc

[@monkiking778]

It works ether way you could just say that they thought wrong

[@Hearts_forklara]

They think vilgax is dead from Dagon absorbing him

[@ilhamardanta4737]

In my headcanon this episode was before Dagon arc,and there’s foreshadow about Dagon in this episode so…it goes perfect with that

[@SejfTrix]

​@@ilhamardanta4737 no it fits more after solitary alignment where they think he died trying to kill them for dagon

[@cowsgobroom9896]

This episode was way before they found out Vilgax was alive. They thought Vilgax died in his ship when it crash landed on earth fighting Ultimate Swampfire

[@Enderstorm20]

In the episode, Hex may have wanted to kill Gwen, but only because she was stealing his books, which is fair and never actively did something evil. Besides "Time Heals", he's never really shown being actively villainous which is what he was in the original series. Also, once Gwen mentioned Charmcaster and Ledgerdomain, he was reminded of why his brother sacrificed himself in the first place and the last thing we hear him say is that he "needed to be left alone". After being left alone to reflect, he realized that his brother wouldn't want him to be doing evil which proved to be true in this episode when Spellbinder was shown to be disappointed in Charmcaster for doing something so villainous. That's what led him to decide to just become a teacher and live a peaceful life in Omniverse.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

makes sense.

[@yashbjoshi12]

Agreed

[@ahmed4363]

Average Ben 10 Enjoyer making plausible and good theories

[@KraylebStudios]

Honestly I feel bad for Hex

[@jackscrivens9520]

I think Hex suddenly being good is one of the Omniverse changes the Celestialsapiens made.

[@Aimez-da-Llama]

Maybe the team thinks Vilgax is dead after he got pulled into the Dagon seal?

[@anishsingh2848]

same thought

[@CyberScribe01]

Said the same thing. Just cause a character says something doesn’t mean it’s actually true in the show, I mean Gwen’s dad said magic wasn’t real in AF but magic is still clearly a thing

[@seismicstar3762]

Personally that is what I always thought

[@TreyC68]

“I sacrificed every living thing in Ledgerdomain.” That’s when you know you need therapy

[@DigiWarriorCallum]

Seeing Kevin and Gwen dead with their eyes open is still a sight makes me unnerved.

[@yashbjoshi12]

This episode combining with "couple retreat" gave enough reason for charmcaster to become insane and evil in omniverse.

[@guilhermemarinho9861]

I found it so funny how Dagon gives all the souls back, like this eldritch god gives refunds

[@jorgehuertas3995]

If in Multiverse of Madness, Wanda wanted to bring back Vision and they had a conversation very similar to the one between charmcaster and her father, it would solve about 5% of the problems in that film.

[@anishsingh2848]

or Wandavision It was almost about to happen in Wandavision but Wanda kept denying it and hiding the truth about the Hex and when the cat was finally out of the bag SWORD and Agatha came and everything became messy

[@AussieDragoon]

Or Pietro, who works better with the family thing and has been dead for longer.

[@khalidahmed8402]

Difference is that UAF presents Charmcaster as a Tragic Villain instead of some misunderstood anti hero.

[@_V.Va_]

@@khalidahmed8402Wanda wasn't misunderstood, just uncharacteristically batshit insane.

[@Dorkyboi-1218]

If Ben had Feedback he prolly wouldn’t have died in that episode

[@au7923]

​@TheGlassesPro Another thing is, doesn't tetrax imply that chromastone can get even more power than just redirecting energy beams at the end of the episode? Since he says "Chromastone knows more than you ben" am also not saying chromastone actual name, because I completely forgot what it was.

[@vgngolley341]

Yeah, he would’ve for sure

[@LucyWest370]

As a chromastone hater for life, i find this acceptable.

[@yashbjoshi12]

Not probably,definetly

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

he can absorb every energy along with life force so definitely yes

[@colossaldonut5190]

Tbh the team dying felt more like just something for shock value than legitimate storytelling

[@damienofthedamned]

- So, admittedly, when I first saw this as a kid, I didn't realize it was Diagon that she was striking a deal with. Knowing it now, makes me wonder why it bothered giving returning the souls? - I did admire how somber Hex behaved when Gwen told him tht Charmcaster returned to Ledgerdomain, and when he spoke of Spellbinder.... - Speaking of Spellbinder, I'm sorry but given that design and voice, all I'm seeing is Aquaman from Batman: Brave and the Bold

[@eduardomunoz4387]

Dagon may be an eldritch abomination but still a very honorable business man-calamar-thing.

[@mobgabriel1767]

"professionals have standards" -dagon

[@Theokal3]

Personally what bothers me with that episode is the complete 180 on Charmcaster's part. In the previous episode she seemed well on her way to be redeemed and even left the trio on good terms. But when they come back here not only has she returned to tyrant like Adwaita, but she *immediately* treats them as enemies again. I kinda wish it had been more progressive, like she initially welcome them when they come back and she seems friendly, but then they find out what she's planning and turn on her only for her to *then* absorb their life.

[@thomasraines1396]

That would’ve been a lot more interesting then what we got.

[@DoratTheKiller]

Agreed

[@Bobb11881]

It would be great if she had hesitation about what she was about to do. Like, she didn't really want to do it or knew it was wrong, but felt that she had to. Yes I am literally just describing Dresden doing something similar in Multiverse Tales. I'd also like to have seen her beg Gwen to leave Ledgerdomain because she doesn't want to kill her anymore, but Gwen refuses to just let Charmcaster go through with it.

[@CyberScribe01]

2:09 I think the trio believed vilgax was dead because he got sucked into dagon’s seal in a previous episode. I haven’t rewatched said episode, but I bet the trio either thought that that event killed vilgax or that vilgax getting sent to dagon’s dimension was essentially a death sentence.

[@t.i.5528]

I think when they said Vilgax died, they were referring to when he was absorbed by Dagon at the seal.

[@theplaguegamer6216]

This episode would have been a perfect opportunity for a reveal of Ultimate Chromastone to stop the machine

[@алексейпугачев-л9й]

Or just make him NOT suck.......

[@hend260]

Honestly my friend and I find this episode makes more sense considering our frustrations on how Gwen's powers flip flops between OP and 'One hit against my shield knocks me the fuck out and I never use any spell that might actually be useful despite past episodes' and the fact that Charmcaster IS LEGIT POWERFUL and does know more magic than Gwen, Charmcaster spent her whole life studying magic by all means she should know more things than Gwen, Gwen just studied CHARMCASTER'S book and the occasional other stolen book from HEX's library, a library in which Charmcaster has access to far more than Gwen. When it comes to pure Magical powers yes Gwen does have the stronger magic abilities as an Anodite but Charmcaster is more knowledgeable and consistent with her powers, I can believe that with the Alpha Rune (despite the lack of lore on both Alpha Rune and Anodites) can kill Gwen. She already showed that she can take Gwen's powers (some episodes write her as underpowered like Hit them where they live but honestly that's a whole other tangent) but I stand that Charmcaster is the better sorceress in knowlage while Gwen just has raw magic powers

[@oKiterrrr]

Raw power > knowledge

[@albedo5455]

It gets really annoying how a lot of problems post-"Ben 10,000 Returns" could be solved if Ben just remembered he had Upgrade. Later on, they make a big deal about whether Jury Rigg could stop Animo's machine but I'm here like "Bro, you have a Galvanic Mechamorph! Use him!"

[@vgngolley341]

Ikr?!

[@smashmaster521]

Knowing the Ultimatrix, he'd likely get Jury Rigg anyways.

[@eduardomunoz4387]

... wasn't Ascalon a technological sword? Doesn't that mean Upgrade could... You know, upgrade the weapon?

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@eduardomunoz4387 wait, if he upgrades ascalon does that mean someone else has to wield it or does it just become a sword mech?

[@eduardomunoz4387]

@@GreaterGrievobeast55 I mean... It's Upgrade, so the Sword-Mech thing could be possible

[@SJ_G.]

Hex, Charmcaster and Spellbinder... That's some quite magical naming

[@алексейпугачев-л9й]

@TheGlassesPro sorcerydoer 😂

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

Honestly I feel like if Ben either went Ultimate Chromastone or turned into Ghostfreak, he would have been ok or could have stopped charmcaster from killing everyone Charmcaster would have still gotten three souls as even Addwaitya didn’t survive Ben could just sit and watch the talk with her and Spellbinder and after everyone is brought back, Ben maybe even tries to comfort charmcaster as Ben knows what it’s like to loose a close family member when he thought G-Max was dead

[@anishsingh2848]

is it bad that I read it as Gigantamax for a second

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

@@anishsingh2848 no lol 😂 I was too lazy to type Grandpa Max

[@anishsingh2848]

@@ksoundkaiju9256 F

[@Dracosfire14]

I know you're suggesting she didn't kill them, but all that mad me think of was "As someone you recently murdered, this feels weird to ask, but are you doing okay?"

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

@@Dracosfire14 no Gwen and Kevin are dead lol Ben is still alive cause he either went ultimate or changed form last second

[@knightfallprotocol]

I feel like I'm alone for completely relating to ben when he said "it's hard to feel sympathy for someone that cared so little for other lives". She didn't even feel BAD after killing the trio, how do you expect me to care about her feelings AT ALL? I could, but only if I FORCE myself to.

[@miguelandrade971]

I always headcanon that Hex is on parole and was only going to attack Gwen because she broke into his home. At that point, he could claim self defense.

[@MsElViktor]

Aw Man, another episode that i was hoping would get a Full video

[@lonemotheo1964]

"Alright who released the windbag" - Charmcaster 😂😂

[@avch1209]

That makes Charmcaster the only one who canonically managed to kill Ben, Gwen and Kevin and also beat an anodite.

[@acmeanvil3022]

Vilgax also managed to kill Ben and Gwen with the Chronosapien time bomb.

[@yashbjoshi12]

Vilgax did the same thing in much larger scale in ov

[@ilhamardanta4737]

@@acmeanvil3022i don’t think could be said as “Kill” it more like wipe/erasing from timeline,cartoon used to use words “destroyed” as censorship and other mean of kill but Vilgax didn’t said that at all during that arc in OV he just said “To wipe Tennyson from other timeline”but CMIIW

[@guto5285]

I think this episode chronologically speaking takes place before the trio discover that Vilgax was alive after the AF ending

[@bobbyahmad5197]

This episode was really emotional for us and the team

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

Me and my boys were ballin our eyes out when Ben died

[@bobbyahmad5197]

@@ksoundkaiju9256 I nearly cried

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

@@bobbyahmad5197 I was pretending to cry as I’ve seen that episode several times My boys are new to Ben10

[@bobbyahmad5197]

@@ksoundkaiju9256 I see

[@Mohamad-m7md]

Nah it’s just a bad episode

[@Dragon66898]

This episode was always bitter sweet to me as it shows what might very well happen for those that do this sort of thing, they get back what they wanted but are they the same person that person remembers.

[@MercenaryX84]

I wonder how the Ominverse's Omnitrix's Fail Safe would save Ben from this fate in this episode

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

It reacted to the big bang I feel like soul sucking wouldn't work.

[@KraylebStudios]

This. This should have been the part where Charmcaster throws in the towel and stops trying to be cruel

[@flyingfist4203]

Aw man. It’s a shame that the episode where the trio freakin die doesn’t hold up all that well. But also, we’re less than 10 episodes till Ultimate Alien is finished.

[@thepoisonprince]

When Kevin absorbed Ultimate Aggregor energy he also absorbed the Map Of Infinity and when Cooper heald him they said that all the energy came back where it was Before Aggregor Absorbed it. So Every pieve of the Map Of Infinity returned where it was which The Alpha Rune did

[@christopherwebster6354]

Hearing your thoughts on Hex's redemption, I kinda wonder what it would have been like if you switched Hex's and Charmcaster's roles in Omniverse. Imagine if, after this episode, Charmcaster decides to cast away her position as ruler of Ledgerdomain and status as a sorceress to instead pursue a more mundane life. But since she's only twenty, potentially with little knowledge of anything outside of magic, the only job she could find is as a teacher of magic and sorcery at Gwen's college. Just imagine a potential after-class talk she could have with Gwen. Charmcaster: Hey, no hard feelings about... You know... Killing you... Hex, meanwhile, takes advantage of her absence to take over Ledgerdomain, turning Addwaitya into a stone doll and capturing Michael when he tries to break back in.

[@thomasraines1396]

Oh nice.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Well that sounds like trading Hex's development with charmcaster when the goal should be to optimize both of their potential growth. Micheal would be good as dead in that scenario too

[@a.n5301]

damn. that's exacly what they should've done.

[@ATVPokemonMaster_02]

She successfully killed the trio. KILLED 😢

[@FanSeitz]

This episode put Charmcaster up there as one of my favorite villains in the franchise.

[@Juli_is_Online]

So this is what it feels like when your favorite episode doesn’t get a full breakdown huh. Ah well. I love this one. The whole journey and build-up to the climax is great and the ending truly hits hard. Just the idea of Charmcaster going through all of that, years of study and dedication to get her father back and succeeding, only to have him tell her to her face how horrified he is of her actions and what she has become is a lot. How do you even move on from that? What does she even do now? God did this have potential for development and god does it still piss me off what they did to her in Omniverse. All that potential…completely flushed

[@thomasraines1396]

She’s just reduced to a villain of the week (again).

[@yashbjoshi12]

This episode and couple retreat gave more than enough reason for charmcaster to become evil in omniverse

[@yashbjoshi12]

@@thomasraines1396 she was insane in omniverse

[@thomasraines1396]

@@yashbjoshi12 I know she was insane, mustache twirlingly so.

[@yashbjoshi12]

@@thomasraines1396 uaf gave her enough reason to became insane

[@hattoripool1533]

I wonder if Ben had the Omniverse Omnitrix in this episode would the anti death fail safe work? Since it’s his soul being taken

[@yashbjoshi12]

Of course;it will

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

@Maab watch the last episode where he literally survives a Big Bang exploding on his face

[@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu]

Maybe it will transform him in Terraspin or Ghostfreak to protect him against mana

[@lilc8315]

@@FranciscoRamirez-nb4uu Maybe Gravvattack

[@алексейпугачев-л9й]

It depends on the power of his aliens,and if one of them has the power to put his soul back into his body,then yes it would.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

1:03 to be fair, Ben pretty much killd himself by not thinking his plan of action through.

[@InfinitEthanAnimations]

"But I can't stay knowing my life was bought...at the cost of so many others" That line, to Charmcaster at least, hits HARD

[@animo358]

Still wish they'd leaned into her corrupted youth more, which Kevin was sympathizing with. Adwaita's rise to Hexs cruel training could have easily spun into Charmcaster never learning proper Mana control. With her seeming fall to insanity in Omniverse they could have easily pushed her lack of proper training into a drug abuse/alcoholism parable I feel. Mana literally driving her insane since Ledgerdomain is literally made of it

[@TheOvervoid]

In my head, I interpret Kevin's line as him knowing that Vilgax would have tried to kill them if he hadn't been teleported away.

[@houston3103]

i was really hoping this episode would get a full breakdown

[@zaki7583]

Technically she only killed Kevin and gwen. Ben got himself knocked out and his soul ripped out cuz he used chromastone instead of waybig. Could've even used ultimate chromastone but they didn't care enough to give him an ultimate

[@AliumMoAnn]

I mean if his soul got ripped out doesn't that mean that he died too?

[@zaki7583]

@@AliumMoAnn oh totally but at least she wasn't the full reason for his death. He's stupidity is

[@masterDarts4188]

Charmcaster is still directly responsible for his death...

[@dread8900]

@@masterDarts4188not really. He direct actions were not the cause of his death. Been stepping into the machine was

[@masterDarts4188]

@@dread8900 A machine made by Charmcaster which she used intentionally to kill them. So yeah, shes still directly responsible Literally nothing you said counters this.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

Damn! I mean I was never crazy about this episode, I kinda expected you to give it a higher score. Oh well. I still think this episode and the dark star one offer more than enough explanation as to why charmcaster goes looney is omniverse

[@megacrashthehedgehog5377]

My head cannon is that Hex, ever since he and Charmcaster grew further apart, he took a lot of reflection on his life, and how the cons of the influence of magic have had on his family, but it was Charmcaster's vile attempts to revive Spellbinder that were the breaking point. Hex decides that this life isn't for him anymore, and while he may not be able to fix his past wrongdoings, he can at least pass on his knowledge to the next generation at Friedkin University so that others don't make the same mistakes he did.

[@casterivo]

Fun fact originally alien force episode turned into seaosn three of ultimate alien because alien force had/has two seasons as stated by the wiki as cartoon network decided to divide the highbreed arc into two separate seasons

[@theking8347]

The Rock Monsters being sentient also brings up the question of why the Omnitrix doesn't scan their DNA. When asked about this, Derrick J. Wyatt had to come with the handwave that due to the Omnitrix being science-based, it's incompatible with magic-based creatures.

[@thomasraines1396]

That’s dumb.

[@MrRonald327]

I guess being dead is no big deal to superheroes.

[@smashmaster521]

*Slurps down a Smoothie* Oh wait, you just noticed that?

[@TheStormBolt-gf8qi]

This episode was so DARK

[@ericdennis8216]

One of the top 3 best story and emotional episode. Literally a parallel of the movie multiverse of madness with charmcaster taking a role as wanda wanting to bring a family member back into existence. Charmcaster turning evil again is based on the alpha rune corrupting her plus she has been using it throughout her time in the magic realm since time moves fast there. Charmcaster powers were on the level as a god so it makes sense that she was a able to kill the trio. The only way charmcaster was able to summon dagon was bc 1:12 where she absorb gwen anodite soul being that dagon tried to use gwen as a powerful pawn to free him. Dagon magical deal makes a sense because like all supernatural show magic always comes with a loopole or price , literally the magic in ben 10 is just like the magic in the vampire diaries. The golem creature being alive was always mention they say they are under mind control. Even the ending scene made sense bc kevin could relate to how charmcaster felt bc he went throughout multiple similar scenarios. Like lets keep it for real if a character isnt gonna add something to the story there is no need to redeem them. Tbh it giving bias breakdown like idk why kuro has a major attachment to this character but f#ck harmcaster and i mean that

[@skywatcher1082]

AF Chromastone felt like the second strongest of those first 10 in the series, and he got the job done 90% of the time. UA Chromastone is like…dude, ur lucky Feedback hasn’t been introduced.

[@ksoundkaiju9256]

Why didn’t Ben go ultimate when he realized Chromastone wasn’t strong enough? Like seriously, it should *NOT* be that easy to kill Ben due to his sheer versatility And the fact he can quick change to, he may not have master control, but a Ben 10 that can turn at least a few times in a fight before running the battery shouldn’t be easy to take out, even with something like a soul sucking Nuke

[@mertensiam3384]

@@ksoundkaiju9256 it really shows how useless the ultimatrix is It doesn't even have a failsafe for these kinds of situations. The prototype and the final Omnitrix would've NEVER allowed this

[@yashbjoshi12]

@@mertensiam3384 tbh prototype omnitrix do not have failsafe,but it does have self defence mechanism unlike ultimatrix

[@mertensiam3384]

@@yashbjoshi12 i think you can count the protection to being possessed by an ectonurite as a failsafe (tho it looses it when recalibrates for whatever reason) But yeah maybe it doesn't have the life saving failsafe yet? But it'd definitely do more than the Ultimatrix

[@yashbjoshi12]

@@mertensiam3384 Yeah,atleast self defence mechanism would do something to defend him,ultimatrix has NOTHING!

[@hattoripool1533]

Man Charmcaster successfully managed to kill the trio. Vilgax would be jealous

[@rubendelgado5098]

The curious thing about Hex is that he never redeem himself, he just change his way offscreen, in the OG he is a recurring threat that was trying to steal magical artifacts to become more powerful, but in UAF he just spend most of his time in his house minding his own buisness, the only reason that he attack Gwen is because she keeps breaking into his house and stealing his books, and the only time he was show to do something evil was in an alternate timeline and they didn't even explain how that happens, so when he appears in Omniverse and desides to become a teacher is easy to belive since in universe it's been years since the last time Hex committed a crime (that we know of).

[@enderethan144]

Spellbinder was 100% right about his daughter’s actions. I don’t blame him for wanting to remain dead rather than live at the cost of a thousand souls of innocent lives. I can see why Hope(Charmcaster)turned out the way she did in Omniverse, her story is indeed tragic but it doesn’t mean her actions are justified. I’m glad that Kuro gave her the redemption arc she long needed in the 5YL continuity.

[@trafalgarlaw3486]

I’m surprised that this episode got a quick review

[@acmeanvil3022]

With how much more effort UA Season 3 made in showing off Fasttrack and Eatle, two aliens with derivative power sets, you have to wonder why they didn't do the same for the five Andromeda aliens. Also, RIP Chromastone.

[@JayRedGear]

True. Like, the Andromeda aliens are more interesting compared to Fasttrack and Eatle (doesn't help that they are seen as watered down versions of XLR8 and Upchuck) and have more interesting abilities to try out.

[@tylerprenger8063]

Wow really thought he would of done a full breakdown for this

[@sandeepmahal-kp5em]

Same I was like no no why isn't this full Breakdown.

[@parkercomley8126]

The trio probably think Vilgax died when he was sucked into the seal.

[@zidankhan]

Ben should've gone Ultimate Chromastone but I guess that would make too much sense

[@rorylumley4727]

I think ultimate maybe did that and possibly used ultimate chromastone against dagon.

[@OmarO_721]

Imagine happily telling your revived parent that you murdered over thousands just to bring them back. After they sacrificed themselves to protect you.

[@StareachValcin]

Charmcaster being the first villain to successfully kill Ben, Gwen, and Kevin once again cements how Ben doesn't always win. It is also tragic to see the main characters die, but even more tragic to see Charmcaster broken at the end due to her sacrificing everyone being undone by her father Spellbinder, who she was trying to bring back in the first place. Charmcaster was wrong to sacrifice all those lives and Spellbinder had to call her out for it. Since then, Charmcaster's villain role has been rather ambiguous. She's become powerful enough to actually be a threat to Ben, Gwen, and Kevin, yet she sometimes loses to them. She allies herself with their enemies, and sometimes allies herself with Ben. Plus, what happened to her in the end of the original Ben 10 series is still unknown. It all started with this episode.

[@jacobmiller2663]

But tbh she matches when she had the alpha rune, the source of magic itself. Gwen can take her down anytime if charmcaster doesn’t have it

[@StareachValcin]

​@@jacobmiller2663true, but since she has kept the alpha rune for a majority of the time since she claimed it, Charmcaster was more powerful than Gwen.

[@jacobmiller2663]

@@StareachValcin but I bet for a fact, when Gwen masters her Anodite form, she can easily beat Charmcaster even with the alpha rune. Anodites are right behind celestialsapiens in terms of powers, Verdona is literally the peak of a all powerful and knowledgeable Anodite. I definitely think Verdona easily beats charmcaster with the alpha rune. I think the Alpha rune can beat a inexperienced Anodite but not one in their peak of power and knowledge of mana.

[@enes-kuruoglu]

Since we saw darkstar absorbing mana from ledgerdomain to be powerful why didn't Kevin also did something like that in this dire moment we also saw him absorb mana from Gwen before

[@azrael_pendragon]

Probably scared of going insane from too much power.

[@enes-kuruoglu]

@@azrael_pendragon scared enough to let himself and his friends die I guess

[@azrael_pendragon]

@@enes-kuruoglu yes

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@enes-kuruoglu you're saying that like the whole ultimate kevin arc didn't just happen

[@алексейпугачев-л9й]

@@enes-kuruoglu there was a lot of times when Kevin could absorb something else besides raw materials even in Alien force (and it's not like they forgot he can do that since we saw how his dad was absorbing electricity) so absorbing energy was always a big no-no for him after classic.

[@justinjones7411]

Find it funny that Ben said as soon as the Aggregor threat was over they would go back to save Charmcaster but then we don't see her for a whole season. Still better then the lie that Ash told Pidgeot when he said he would get him back.

[@anishsingh2848]

lol as a big Pokemon fan I appreciate the connection poetic considering this week is Ash's final episode

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

that was only in the English dub, Ash never said that in Japanese

[@c.k.6939]

I keep hearing the line Ash said to Pidgeot was dub-only, but I don't know where to check that. Edit: Guess it doesn't matter anymore.

[@ardzzz1010]

might be bc they're too busy with other things? (forever knights, esoterica, dagon?

[@AussieDragoon]

@@ardzzz1010 He had to go see sumo slammers the movie and have the same argument with Julie for a 5th time. He's swamped!

[@itsshaggytime8684]

They do my boy Chromastone so dirty

[@Karlos1234ify]

When Hex had a change of heart

[@OshawottLuke]

How did you not give this a full review omg Catch A Falling Star BETTER get one

[@theking8347]

Doubtful because Catch A Falling Star doesn't really add anything to the overall narrative, and pretty much gets erased from existence with Captain Nemesis's appearance and Jennifer Nocturne's cameo in Omniverse. Only thing notable about it is that it's the first time Ben uses Clockwork.

[@OshawottLuke]

@@theking8347 I was writing a very long response but in short form: he has made long reviews about episodes that aren't plot-heavy like the recent Gwen episode and the next one (Catch A Falling Star) is special like that one. And even this one too, Charmcaster being a big secondary character with a ton of episodes about her and this one is a big episode but anyway, we can just hope that he stops mistreating the Ben 10 breakdowns by skipping episodes that deserve long ones like this one. And even he skipped plot-important ones like the Map Of Infinity one where they go to the water planet. Such an error in the matrix this quick reviews thing is.

[@kermitgotthesickkicks4265]

@@OshawottLuke The quick reviews are more so for a scheduling thing and taking a break from having to do multiple full breakdowns at once ben 10 being 240+ total you would need to do the quick reviews for it. Ohterwise we'd probably be stuck at UA for like years.

[@Dmd02]

The only thing that makes me feel like charmcaster not being redeemed and hex being is ok is because charmcaster kinda gets insane in omniverse, for me it's like hex saw that happening and was like "nope, im gonna be the good guy"

[@masterDarts4188]

Charmcaster after this episode had no reliable path for redemption.

[@monkiking778]

Gotta feel bad for chromaatone he has taken nothing but l’s since af season 3, he got replaced by feedback and has only 2 appearances in ov

[@abdullahwasim6532]

Yeah that is really sad

[@monkiking778]

Tbh i always thought the gauntlet was his first appearance as that was the only memorable one out of all the ones in af season 1

[@Mono_Nerd_Production]

Funny how in the ov finale chromastone is used yet overshadowed by the alien x sword and theedback (who have pretty much similar powers)

[@monkiking778]

@@Mono_Nerd_Production he was done dirty replaced and done dirty again

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

@@Mono_Nerd_Production Feedback can absorb infinite energy unlike Chromastone

[@naimishtiakahmed9221]

I think they meant they thought Vilgax died in 'A Knight to Remember'.

[@blueraccoon1088]

Charmcaster pulled a megatronus solus prime resurrection move this would feel like making a longer breakdown.

[@BeastForce141]

Can you do a full breakdown of “Catch A Falling Star”

[@thomasraines1396]

I’ve heard a lot about that episode but haven’t had the chance to watch it myself, it’s apparently really messed up.

[@jakebailey5834]

I thought it was spellbender who reversed the spell to bring back the people charmcaster sacrificed to revive Spellbender.

[@ATVPokemonMaster_02]

We have watched Charmcaster numerous times, but never got the story of *Hope* 😢. I wanted her redemption

[@алексейпугачев-л9й]

That's becuase Hope is dead💀(metaphorically of course)

[@wisconsinking323]

I really hope the next full breakdown is to catch a falling star.

[@AussieDragoon]

This is always my sticking point on Charmcaster's "redemption" arc, regardless of how you classify what a redemption is. She literally commits genocide in this episode, and everyone brushes it off because it gets undone by someone who's not her. Especially the whole, "she's suffered enough" bit before the trio leave Lederdomain. No, her dad being disappointed in her and going back to being as dead as he was before she did this is not a fair penance for the highest body count of any character until we get to OV. I mean, how do you bounce back from "I killed 60,000 people for entirely selfish reasons" to people being okay with you as a person, even if not an ally? Charmcaster is a classic example of having a sympathetic backstory is not the same as actually being sympathetic. And she's kind of always been that way, since way back in her OG appearances, where she would pretend to be more of a victim than she was to lower her enemies' guards, flaunt her new dominance over Hex after he was turned into a child, and the 2 occasions where she was just a villain on her own without Hex even being present. I think that is what ultimately makes more people fine with her being the villain she really has always been while Hex had a kind of redemption (more like a retirement), cause Hex never did anything all that bad and hasn't been a relevant villain since "Time Heals", and that was mostly Gwen's fault anyway.

[@thomasraines1396]

She’s always been over the top and hammy, she has her most depth here and even has a sad backstory, but the closest she gets to full on altruism is when she stays back to fight Adwatia apparently for the betterment of the people of Ledgerdomain but she turns around and offers them all up to an Eldritch horror with no remorse whatsoever.

[@yashbjoshi12]

Also the hex we saw in time heals was from different timeline

[@ANIMATIONLOVERBT]

Charmcaster allied with the Trio only to take the Rune from Addwaitya, this is not a synonym of redemption. The world is full of fans who see a villain do one good thing and overestimate it, not seeing the context and calling it redemption

[@EduardoTorelly]

Still got pissed off but not because i believed she redeemed herself. I got dissaponted because her controling the realm of magic is completely ignored in omniverse. I expected her to be treated more like a neutral force that Ben and the others dont want to piss off. She controls the realm of magic and is all powerfull, but dont really have any ambitions after what happened in this episode. But she somehow loses the rune to Siscare and becomes a regular bad guy again in omniverse.

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

@@EduardoTorelly power corrupts, addwyita got mad with power. add the trauma of her dad dying again, the seeming isolation from other proper people, and micheal breaking her heart, she can make a slip up like anyone else. Especially when it's zs'skayr we're talking about, dude doesn't even give off mana and is naturally stealthy as a ghost, plus he was able to hoodwink vilgax of all folks.

[@CorporealNatural1]

This episode is a good example of something being dark or edgy doesn't necessarily mean its good

[@TheInkTank]

I wouldn't call this episode dark or edgy. It's just telling a story.

[@yashbjoshi12]

@@TheInkTank Kuro, I think this episode combining with "couple retreat" gave more than enough reason for charmcaster to became insane and evil in omniverse.

[@donathan2933]

@@yashbjoshi12 exactly

[@N.I.A23]

Can't wait for him to tear that overrated ass ep to shreds.

[@lonemotheo1964]

​@@yashbjoshi12 I always thought that this episode and couples retreat were leading up to a redemption that never happened

[@cobaltprime9467]

Oh man this should have been a full breakdown. The follow up with Dark Star not so much. But please please please do a full breakdown of “To Catch a Falling Star.”

[@jaredcook4414]

Also, Ben. Chromastone is a hero, but this is a job for an Ultimate You want Ultimate Chromastone, don’t lie to yourself

[@jorgepinedagrace]

What I dont understand is people point to this episode saying ben can be beat but what they dont realize is its the ultimatrix he's utilizing not the omnitrix that Azmuth made

[@hiitsalex6780]

Wait, if the Alpha Rune can steal people souls, then why didn't Greg did that to permanently stop the trio?

[@GreaterGrievobeast55]

1. Gregs a lazy oaf can't even bother to finish his enemies off at every turn. That's like the whole map of infinity arc. 2. Greg's no wizard! Even with the alpha rune, it's probably the equivalent of giving a toddler an iphone

[@Омойкороль-л3ф]

You probably have to be able to know how manipulate mana to use it.

[@bigdoubleu117]

Was kinda hoping the trio being killed would have gotten more attention...

[@cyborg2254]

This should have been Charmcaster’s final appearance.

[@EduardoTorelly]

when i played Xenoblade 3, this episode came back to me.

[@misbehaven1237]

Did you forget to add +1 to the ultimates? You show a scene that includes ultimate humungosaur lol

[@curtisleblanc5897]

1:10 THAT WAS DAGON?!

[@theanimeunderworld8338]

Will we get some fun Ben 10 AU art like if Charmcaster become a hero?

[@mobgabriel1767]

Just watch the and beyond ledgerdomain episode

[@sandeepmahal-kp5em]

I was so annoyed that Gwen never used her Lucky Girl from the start AF because after all that should have been the thing the crew should have done.

[@theking8347]

Also, it's very clearly implied that Charmcaster physically killed Addwaitya BEFORE taking his soul, hence the trio's reaction. But he's alive and well in Omniverse. But I guess the circumstance of death doesn't really matter since Ben also technically killed himself by stepping into the machine.

[@mobgabriel1767]

Somehow addwaitya returned

[@KuroAceVT]

this was a fun episode

[@QuarterCentum]

Apparently, the reason the Alpha Rune was back was because Ultimate Kevin absorbed the Map from Aggregor and when he was returned to normal the pieces went back to where they were. It’s stupid hand waving.

[@mertensiam3384]

This episode and the Ghostfreak transformation in Classic where it shows Ben's skeleton fucking traumatized me as a kid I remember having constant nightmares of both these events where Ben's trasnformation goes wrong and his dead skeleton falls into the ground, or the trio slowly becoming more and more horrifyingly skinny the more time they were dead in this episode until they almost looked like skeletons with skin and almost falling eyeballs I was so fucking scared whenever i realized which episode they were rearing if it contained any of those scenes

[@TheNightTyrant]

She did the right thing.

[@neilstone3583]

I think this should have been a full breakdown

[@ilhamardanta4737]

My personal rating: Plot:4 Characterization:4 Visual:2 Importance:3 Entertain:5

[@nikitakobzar8321]

I hate episodes where something important happens (like character deaths) but by the end everything is nullified. Useless garbage to plug a hole in the air. It's not even a filer where they come up with at least some kind of story, it's just not a fully realized idea.

[@AutumnOwlex]

Was hoping this and the Michael episode would be a two in one episode breakdown

[@theking8347]

He's going in production order

[@rockmanmix6242]

I will never forgive charmcaster.

[@RayEljorindo5657-gk2iv]

Yep.

[@soranora4597]

I never watched the episodes that featured Hex after classic. Before my rewatch back when these breakdowns started.I pretty much believed that he died after the fountain of youth episode back in classic. I wasn't not wrong in thinking that he was really old and without the fountain to preserve his life yeah I thought he died.

[@dragonwings123456789]

This episode deserved a longer breakdown imo

[@mohammadqasimawais9155]

I know that there's absolutely no evidence but I like to think that Spellbinder was involved Sir George, based on how Dagon himself makes the deal.

[@blueraccoon1088]

You know after seeing the openings hex was one of few villians who wanted to quit and retire. He lost his brother and i don't think he was a villian he was just defending his home.