WHY ARE THESE PROS JUMPING ON MOLLIES

[@loltrip2741]

Ah the ump > m4 era

[@Seany1616]

its kinda funny because the UMP was never buffed in a patch; it was always that good and people didnt realise it. it was only discovered because valve introduced the age of the CZ75, and when that was put to an end, players so accustomed to force buying needed an alternative.

[@skar9556]

​​​@@Seany1616 Almost like the krieg Meta.. It was always good, Just that nobody bought it, saying it's a "Grill Gun". The moment Valve reduced its price; everyone understood how good it really was, so much that the pros were buying it even after the price was increased.

[@xcy7240]

@@skar9556reducing price is a major factor tho… being same price as ak with a better spray pattern and scope made it a no brainer

[@Viberoza]

Cz better

[@poobjuice]

@@xcy7240when they reverted the price decrease the aug and kreig pick rates didn’t change at all

[@whelukno9863]

That security guard is the perfect visual representation of Valve Anti Cheat

[@skylinesenpai5554]

Lets be honest here. He did much better at his job than Valve on VAC.

[@redstonewarrior0152]

​@@skylinesenpai5554 VALVe anti cheat works as intended. The only problem is that what is intended is slow and bad.

[@vyor8837]

@@redstonewarrior0152 seems to be working nice and fast now in tf2!

[@Z38_US]

The only good thing about VAC is that if someone does get a VAC ban you can be very sure that they were infact doing something that made them get banned and that it wasn't a false ban

[@Lvaldie]

@@vyor8837it didn’t really work because Valve straight up removed the steam account of the bots and the bot hosters.

[@masterblaster6703]

Idk what they were thinking trying to ban it in the first place, it’s a strategy, a smart one

[@Meta9871]

Maybe in a ranked game, not on a broadcasted one

[@Speedy2619]

​@@Meta9871 In proplay you play the way you get the highest chance of winning. When your gamebalance suck this much that this is a viable strategy start coding.

[@NexuroPL]

instead of banning that, valve should intervene and boost $$$ gain for nade kills

[@migolo1415]

​@@Speedy2619As WarOwl put it: "gamers are gonna find the most optimal way to win the game, if the most optimal way is boring, that's bad game design"

[@el-low6663]

​@@NexuroPL jumping off a building still exists though

[@Queue3612]

It also means all the kill money stacks on one person instead of being distributed

[@frodo4503]

Which can only deny full armor and not that often because one person can drop guns to team, it's not about stacking money on one player but not risking giving away kill for full amount of $$$

[@bypy35na]

​@@frodo4503Its an added bonus, since it makes the enemy take more organizing and planning while the others were already thinking about what to do, sure its a few seconds of thinking but it can be critical

[@frodo4503]

@@bypy35na I think I need to disagree, because the subject is pro team not random mm. Time before round starts is more than enough either way imo. I still stand that it's not about stacking but lower overall reward, and organization on pro level won't be an issue. Added bonus beside random matchmaking is non-existent.

[@DeepfriedBeans4492]

@@frodo4503multiple things can be true at once, the existence of b does not mean a no longer exists.

[@AngryAlfonse]

​@@frodo4503 if one guy is $300 short of an M4, and another guy has $300 but not enough to drop him an M4, there's no way to just share money, so that guy doesn't get his M4

[@blyatman9726]

Give that security guard a raise

[@YaBoiAlex]

The casters who thought it was because of a good molly: 🤡

[@Gabi2311HighPing]

😂

[@artoro8]

Or they just didn't bring attention to what the teams were doing. The casters aren't dumb

[@Ybf-carl420]

u r silly

[@Silas_Ames]

Woman moment

[@Silas_Ames]

@@artoro8Lol yes they are, in the footage you can clearly see them all standing in the mollie, this is what happens when you diversity hire

[@A120AMIR12]

Me : Buddy try to learn a little from pros My friend: alright *jumps off the map*

[@boatswain48]

Better learn making money.

[@A120AMIR12]

@@boatswain48 agreed

[@samfire3067]

​@@boatswain48bro:ok *buys smg to being a rampage in real life *

[@Tragicide]

Copies pro gammer move. Applies it in real life. Dies forever.

[@labbit35]

Imagine accidentally falling off a ledge or walking into a molly and getting banned

[@Tragicide]

Imagine doing this irl and getting banned from the war.

[@labbit35]

@@Tragicide “HE WALKED INTO THE MOLTOV, GET HIM” (Both sides proceed to ignore each other and shoot down the guy who walked into a moltov accidentally

[@GrandDukeMushroom]

@@labbit35 as a chivalry player this is hilarious to me (you both gank the guy interrupting your duel)

[@michael-dumbley]

The security guard had one job for fucks sake💀

[@luisaguilar7127]

For real man. An event involving pew pew happens and you have that guy. Hate that attitude.

[@Habo777-o4q]

@@luisaguilar7127 Just having security guards present can end up deterring crime. Additionally those guards aren’t meant to combat active shooters. Day to day they would deal with preventing people from sneaking in, dealing with rowdy (and probably drunk) attendants and crowd control. The most those guards would be expected to do in for a active shooting would be to evacuate the building so the police could settle the situation.

[@pistolduce1230]

If I remember correctly, this was a prank and the "security guard" was just a normal guy pretending to pat people down. Obviously, because he wasn't an actual security guard, he only pretended to pat the people down. Hence the video even existing and lack of metal detectors

[@queenfliss]

fun fact, that dude is used as an example of what not to do when searching people when you are doing a course for your sia license in the uk

[@NLU989]

I came here to say this 😭

[@TTVK1ngJulian]

I love jumping off Vertigo :)

[@Iuffycs]

me too :)

[@KeksimusMaximus]

We should party up and do that irl :)

[@Iuffycs]

@@KeksimusMaximushell yeah man, I'm down

[@TTVK1ngJulian]

@@KeksimusMaximus BET

[@WarshipMolester]

Sounds fun

[@N3v3Ts]

During the ump era, no rounds ever needed eco. Basically a $1200 rifle with decent dmg drop and high armour penetration

[@cakeacola9789]

Bullet drop?

[@wombatZ]

@@cakeacola9789damage drop off over distance was slim. UMP was a great alternative to the M4. SK Gaming was one of the notorious teams being good with the UMP.

[@N3v3Ts]

Yes, I meant dmg drop.

[@earthling_parth]

I loved the ump meta tbh

[@wombatZ]

​@@earthling_parth Me too. It was peak cs esports for me. I lost interest over the years. Too many matches between the top teams - unlike in other sports where matches are special.

[@vladislavohremenco3472]

The old dude barely checking people for anything is so fumbely great😂

[@KeksimusMaximus]

He's just not homosexual

[@TheRealMycanthrope]

What

[@KeksimusMaximus]

@@TheRealMycanthrope what

[@Xaitis]

@@KeksimusMaximus Says the only person thinking about homosexuals in this instance, you may want to look in the mirror 😂

[@MH-OKW]

​@@XaitisYou fumbled so hard with this one that your humor decided to assassinate itself. Never speak again. 😭

[@ROBLOXGamingDavid]

Its like as if they are protesting how strong SMGs are

[@SayHiRoyal]

they banned dying on purpose for the sake of econ? what a joke lol.

[@cempur7599]

I could easily see why, because if half the game is just one dude in a potential clutch situation on vertigo like the designated awper or something, people are expecting to see a clip get hit, but instead they just just jump off the map to deny the free awp costing the enemy team to buy their own, its a vibe killer and hurts the viewer experience, if it was just a 1 off occurrence then it would have been a hype big play, but when its considered meta it gets ready boring.

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

@@cempur7599 Yeah, viewership wise its a lot worse to see top teams jumping off maps or dying to mollies intentionally because they wanted to deny economy on enemy team. It makes sense strategically, but viewership rides and dies on insane clutches, crazy plays and so on.

[@teymurbunde8293]

Still the wrong way to fix this issue. „Let‘s punish professional players for playing the game smartly instead of adressing the failed balance of our game“ yes it was fixed shortly after but you cannot enforce imaginary principles on people competing for their livelihood. If i were in a situation like that where i knew i would have a better chance by dying in such a way u would abuse it too any day of the week. Because imagine doing that the whole tournament. What are they gonna do? Ban me for playing the game as it is? Ruining their Games Reputation in E-Sports while doing so live ob stage? I would have loved a team coming out and just doing the olof boost every round in IEM or abusing the games unbalanced economy to win a major for them to become the most hated team to ever win it just so they could rub it in the developers face so that they would actually have to care about the balance of their stupid ass game for eternity so that such an embarrassment won’t hurt their game and community ever again.

[@robertharris6092]

​@@teymurbunde8293yes. Just likke how something like nascar fines its racers for breaking rules like having an engine over a certain horsepower.

[@jasonday5143]

Too close to real life.

[@douglasnevins1598]

God, idk why, but CSGO is literally the only esport I have any interest in. Just something about it is so tactile and visceral.

[@nikoraasu6929]

Rainbow Six Esport used to be like that too

[@Lamorakc]

are u merc from the waffle and phattdippa discord server?

[@hhaste]

Try Rocket League, it's fun to watch. Apex isn't bad, either.

[@NOMORTARS]

​@@hhasteIsn't apex in a bad state right now

[@Treyman-yi7ei]

I watched fighting games sometimes but yeah me too. Could never get into any others

[@skizzrz]

dude at the end wasnt stopping people from bringing anything in 😭

[@marcuslitterer9290]

What the heck was the old guy doing at the end searching. You could have walked in with a bazooka and he would have missed it

[@Ditpo]

its an old video but iirc hes a priest

[@abhisheksathe123]

That security guard clip gets me everytime 🤣

[@sock1]

the combination of the last sentence and that clip was so funny lmao

[@Fatkidlovecake]

“ OH MY GOD THAT MOLLY, STANNNN!!!” Yeah he threw a set insane molly to kill 5 enemies. Smart caster

[@thejoeman4774]

the guard checking people with the force at the end lmao

[@pizzaknov]

Sun Tzu never thought of this

[@Tragicide]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Omnivorous1One]

The pat down job that security guard did was epic. Theres no way anyone could sneak a weapon into that event.

[@Naraku-no-Hana-WE]

People need to understand why this is bannable behavior in esports. It's not just about viewership or fair play. CS:GO had a lucrative esports betting scene. Thrown rounds no matter the reasoning immediately brings up questions of match fixing. Sure, the intent may have been to win the match by throwing a round, but what happens when a pro team throws a round and then gets stomped in the match? The only reason this rule isnt still in effect in IEM and other tournaments is just that's such a difficult judgement call for refs that they couldnt enforce it.

[@Bink-2]

Banning intentionally dying to mollies is so weak. I KIND OF get the jumping of the building one because there is nothing the other team can do to prevent that. But if you’re on eco and don’t want your SMG kills taken by a molly, make sure no one on your team throws a molly…

[@noahjanowski9646]

If you want the extra money, don't throw a molotov 😂

[@UnloadedRex]

You can’t post this man, it just makes me miss GO

[@BoopleSnoot-u5b]

"jumping on molly" has a COMPLETELY different meaning and I'm happy it wasn't used here

[@x_playz_games]

I need to watch pro counter strike vods cause this is insanity

[@unknown__gamer1899]

Now we got the same problem going on now with g2 in Val on abyss 😂😅

[@KrAkHeN87]

Like how that security guard didnt even touch the people he was clearing for entry lol

[@bipolar_ADHD]

The security guard 💀😂😂

[@heresy_unfolding]

the guy doing the frisk is the VAC personified 😂

[@johnathanflannagan2407]

Brings me flashbacks of letting Baron kill me when no one was around

[@esheep8697]

Imagine being a pro player and you fudge a jump and die to fall damage and you not only are humiliated but also banned from ever playing again

[@six_buck_dlc]

ive never once heard of finances and suicide being a viable strategy in a shooter before

[@BlaacHollow]

I remember playing MM and the other player lost one person. They were give extra money because it was 5v4. Then a few rounds later, WE lost one guy. It was now 4v4. The other team was still getting the extra money after each round. We did not. After the team switch halfway, the other team continued to get extra money while being a 4v4. We lost terribly.

[@JohnNecirRebellion]

Unlike the Philippine In-Game emote in the League of Legends tournament issue, CSGO's rules have the nerve to revert due to it becoming a nightmare to enforcement

[@F1KU]

Guys, its more complicated than this. let me explain from a high rated player POV and everybody will understand. Lets say i am T in round 2, full eco because lost pistol. IF we see a molotov banana on inf, this means CT MUST have a smg (600 USD bonus) or even shotgun (900 USD bonus). He cannot afford a rifle and a molly in round 2, which means he IS trying to farm money. The best thing to do is to actually die in flame and give him 1500 kill bonus instead of potential 4500. And this also means he MUST spend rest of money to buy rifle to fight your AK next round - or continue with SMG/shotgun and risk losing the round. Its cynical but maxing your percentages

[@jesusofbullets]

It makes sense, but still kind of a b**** move. Give up any chance of getting a kill and getting better guns next round while basically giving the enemy a free round AND free money without any risk of them having to use any other equipment. If they manage to get a couple kills, then they’ve made the enemy waste that money and they also get a free weapon.

[@twanheijkoop6753]

​@@jesusofbulletsfull ecos were basically never won and giving up 1 round in mr15 wasn't that significant. Due to the eco changes you probably won't see it anymore

[@spicymcwrap3335]

Finally somebody with a brain

[@user-ov2kx8ql5i]

Finally.. someone get it

[@Violator420]

Well yeah, that's what the video also said. It denies kill rewards but also force them to stay with SMG 3rd round

[@TRD6932]

It's crazy that the UMP has two different fanbases born from wildly different circumstances. Yet they are united by one gun.

[@Facethatsad]

Ump is top teir weapon in all forms of combat inside games and outside

[@thesoviet0ni0n53]

Why not just patch the price you get for smg kills? The way they did it was so useless

[@theskilledsnake]

2 reasons. It would be silly of Valve to balance changes based on the best of the best for one. Second, IEM banned this. Not Valve.

[@J4hk3]

@@theskilledsnake It's not clear why kill money is different for different weapons to begin with.

[@theskilledsnake]

@@J4hk3 well thats pretty easy, in a perfect world (when the game is balanced) its harder to get a kill with an smg than it is with a rifle, also they probably want to reward a force buy if it works.

[@benackdrums]

​@@theskilledsnakebalancing around plebs is what's silly. People using guns to their full potential should experience the most balanced game. If you overtune guns to account for people's skill issues then the game will get more broken and exploitable and frustrating as your rank goes up. It's mind boggling that you think developers should cater their game to you, specifically.

[@theskilledsnake]

@benackdrums it makes no sense to balance the weapons towards anything but the majority. Im not saying to cater it towards me, i never mentioned myself. But it makes zero sense to balance the guns specifically towards a few hundred players in a game of nearly 1 million active players.

[@allancoelho6905]

Rounds are a resource too, a part of the economy, giving up a round and giving a single player just enough money for a full buy, while your whole team can full buy might have been the greatest economy based strategy I've ever seen

[@fdsage]

i'm surprised people still don't understand how stupid this is, if you die willingly to molotov enemy gets 1500 kil lreward instead potentially 3000 (shotguns were almost never bought at the time) so at most cts get 1500 less, but if ts get even 1 kill (which is almost guaranteed) it is already more valuable than 1500, not to mention that it can snowball and they might get multiple kills and bomb plant, also ts nowadays play as slow as possible to milk out cts utility and then rush altogether, which is 1000% smarter way than this moronic suicide

[@Azraiel213]

"Pro players u-" *switches off*

[@Ayylm_ao]

“You have been disqualified for jumping off the map.”

[@pixboi]

mp9 and glock are now broken as hell

[@Spectralgem348]

That last guard is not even touching anyone, he might as well not even be there. If someone actually came strapped, he wouldn't even know😂

[@Zfcelery]

Since we are sharing stories I’ll share mine, happened on October 20th, 2022 me and my brother were bow hunting and he had shot a coyote(varmint in Michigan so it’s legal) it was like 930-10pm and it was dark, we couldn’t find the coyote so we started walking back up to our camp, we had gotten to the middle of the field we were hunting when we both got the feeling of being watched so we did the dumb thing and stopped to start looking around with our flashlights. I have trouble with low light due to an eye injury in 2020 but I saw two silvery looking eyes about ten feet up and a foot out to the side of a very thick oak tree, so I pointed out to my brother and he shined his light at it while we both were still standing there. It moved behind the tree so he handed me his light so he could use his binoculars to look and see what it was, at this point we were both freaked out so we booked it to our camp, and decided to sleep in his truck that night. He woke me up around 2am freaking out cuz he said he saw the eyes again inside the barn we hang our deer in but by the time I looked I couldn’t see anything. When we got up at 530 we both had that guy sick dread like feeling so we left and didn’t go back til rifle season. We still don’t know what we saw but we both carry a firearm no matter what when we are out there

[@randomdreamer1619]

Ump tournament instead of counter strike lol

[@Atlastheyote222]

Back in the day: CZ > UMP > M4 I miss ot

[@pankekboi8511]

This is what i always do when im spawn camped by enemies with spawn invincibility

[@goguyoutside]

Old CS metas were so dumb ; I can't believe they didn't see the kreig and Aug as a viable weapons ; not slowing full ecos to drain the other team's utility ; the fact that they didn't use utility to maximize positioning advantages Then some idiots say NIP 87 or Fnatic 14 can dominate top teams nowadays lol

[@Rahat2056]

What's NIP 87?

[@sriramsrinivasan1815]

@@Rahat2056think he means nip 87 victories team

[@lukajovanovski1178]

I mean even now i think people are sleeping on the aug. It can 1 tap at low to mid range and its drawback is the 200$ and slow movement speed

[@goguyoutside]

@@Rahat2056 Nip 87-0 Lan winstreak , the longest ever in the history of the game .

[@contrasbeatshop]

literally nobody says old nip or fnatic could dominate modern top teams, thats so absurd

[@mjbball0610]

Love that they wanted to ban the strategy instead of just nerfing the ump like the entire world knew they needed to do

[@asdewq1461]

You forgot ot mention that the cash would all be given to one player rather than spread around the team, when you couldnt drop nades the inbalance in money was actually good

[@Don_cheedle]

Those guys could walk in with rocket launchers and the security guy would have no clue 😬

[@TengriJArchive]

After he said UMP is broken, he showed us aim-lock + no recoil lol

[@slickwilly988]

It's crazy because Utility kills seem far more rare than smg kills

[@starseed-]

I remember just telling a buddy who’s new the game about those days- UMP was king during those times.

[@xXxHornpubPremiumxXx]

If an exception needs to be made, that means the core design is flawed, not that it needs an exception. Either allow it or balance the weapons and economy so players wouldn't want to intentionally die

[@nadroji6549]

Not to mention how could you determine what was a forced death or not, besides the obvious circling in fire, but I'm sure there were plenty of ways to make it look like a natural/accidental death which just makes the rule almost pointless.

[@linsidious11]

Feels like that could be useful on a bed too if a person is laying the the same position for a prolonged amount of time.

[@chocolates182]

yea, dying to fall damage or self nade is sometimes preferable to deny kill reward money

[@pindadopje0162]

Why did the drunk girl sounded like a sims character 😂😂😂

[@LautaroQ2812]

I still use the UMP in CS2. I have a better time with it on the first bullets than the other weapons, even if the UMP is kinda shit. I prefer it over a mac 10 even.

[@Favo010]

This is like ensuring enemies they get less money instead of risking it so yhey get no money

[@BloxGambling]

poor old guy at the end :(

[@jeremiahbinsarputraprabakt4812]

*casually just repeatedly throws a molotov every round*

[@hypo7351]

Not the security guard barely doing his job

[@maniestranger4329]

This reminds me of the time players in league of legends dying intentionally in the first 10 minutes so that they can get the boost in money faster 😂

[@embryocean]

I have personally seen and been checked by that guy at the White River amphitheater in Seattle Washington. He is a legend. 👍

[@SenKichita]

"THERE WILL BE NO STRATEGIES IN THIS GAME THANKS"

[@davemustang8173]

How do you ban "intentionally" dying in a "competitive" game?

[@Jartran72]

What the hell was that patting down at the end? Telepathic patting or what? LMAO

[@lanceslance2930]

That last guy clip had me rofl

[@regisegek4675]

SMGs , Pistols also give better mobility so totally safe especially if enemy team has lot of awps . Losing 3x less money plus more mobility for flanking

[@starlordyt6151]

can we agree that the security guard at the end is completely useless 💀💀

[@ilikearksurvivalevolved5928]

There’s a UMP meta in siege aswell, 2nd best gun in the game behind the six12

[@itzTheChachi]

I think its crazy people are saying its better to risk giving the opponent $3k+ to try to win a round and gain$1.5k-2.5k while behind in both armor and weapons. Its better to give them $1.5k and challenge them the 3rd round. A funny counter to this strat is to gamble and have 1 person not buy anything except a molly and hope they run into the molly. This should be enough income for a awp.

[@Katastrophe9009]

Imagine dying in a match and getting accused of doing it on purpose, then trying to prove that you were actually just bad.

[@TREETOPCHOPPA762]

I thot bro was sayin players wer popin mollys befor the game wen i saw the title of tha vid😂

[@tedmcmanus7166]

can confirm, the DoD loves unity

[@Invalidusername444]

I'm glad they didn't keep it. Imagine a player freaking out and accidentally doing a really dumb play and it was classified as purposely dying.

[@skylar5257]

“Hey you can’t intentionally kill yourself any other way besides letting an opponent shoot you” does indeed sound stupid enough to get overturned lmao.

[@TheCHSSmoker]

This brings me back to a game I wanted to check out and realized it had an esports scene: It was the MOST BORING match up ever because in that competitive scene they banned almost every known strategy safe to say I’ll never be watching it again and it was so bad that i completely forgot what game im talking about

[@brixgalvez1890]

imagine being the person that bans dying to enemies

[@mineofitsown]

The game is an economic strategy game when you get to the professional level. Banning such a move is just stupid and it’s probably for the best not to ban things that are self sabotaging with a high risk high reward situation. Cuz if the team who throws the moly just but around the corner with an smg while they’re all low from the molly and mows them down that’s 4+ kills at $600 a piece.

[@JMPERager]

You know how you counter them trying to kill themselves on your molly? Don't use the molly...

[@theskilledsnake]

Only useful once you know they're on a save round. Mollies are critical pieces of utility, and it would be way too easy to fool the enemy into thinking you were on a save to prevent usage of the mollies.

[@oashky]

wtf is that security guard doing 😭

[@BlackstabX]

I saw the thumbnail and thought why TF will people get money for killing then remembered counter strike existed

[@mrpickle2147]

I love how none restrictive valve games are it creates high level play but in valorant u get a fine

[@SleepingLionsProductions]

The attempt to ban it is stupid move, like when they tried to ban binded jump throws. An honestly the way to avoid that situation is simple: when you predict the enemy is full eco, dont use mollys.

[@patricksusulin9335]

Banning suicide is like banning denying in dota because the enemy carry is too stupid to last hit

[@rion7720]

Would never think that moba common sense could ever be applyied outside of itself

[@submarinemagnet7965]

They can't really put down a definitive set of rules in calling out intentional vs strategic

[@Mishaniss]

Ngl I clicked because I thought the title was talking ab out drugs

[@noobontour3167]

u can see the aim bot trigger on the ump door fight and people think its just how they recoil

[@AustinHertz001]

Huh.... no wonder I used to play the UMP so much, it was actually apparently so broken lol, used to get so many kills with it and sick headshots along with the XM shotgun, just a good pairing in Dust 2

[@ajaxtv8172]

They really tried to ban an strategy lmao

[@lolowocr881]

Was friendly fire off or was it not worth it?

[@skar9556]

Team Kill has penalty. You lose money by team killing; not what you want to do in an eco round.

[@s0meRand0m129]

you lose more money if you team kill