These Aliens Can Remember the Future...?

[@ArbitraryConstant]

One of the most interesting aspects of the short story was the way people became aware of future events but simultaneously were robbed of the capacity to want to change things, making it a kind of performance or observance.

[@lastsilhouette85]

Fun note on Time Symmetry: it doesn't hold true 100% of the time in every situation. There are aspects of the weak nuclear interaction that break Time Symmetry, so that if you ran the clock backwards, you would get a different result. Good video man. The aliens were easily the best part of this film.

[@dieSpinnt]

Besides all that "fun": His and yours interpretation is a poster child misconception of the phenomenon. Calculations may be symmetrical or let's say reversing the flow of time in calculations gives symmetrical solutions. Which is absolutely normal and nothing wrong with it. It may also mean, that you are not ABLE to decide how exactly your measurements, your observations affect the model and therefore what conclusion to take (because the anti-result is as good as the result). But in no way does the symmetry of f.e. physical laws or connections mean that CAUSALITY is somehow now unimportant and can freely be "reversed". That is just -BS- a misunderstanding. Remember: That Alex sees event A happens simultaneously to B doesn't mean that Bob who watches a different happening can't be true. But lather does not mean the observation reflects Alex's reality. Did you both, OrangeRiver and you skipped your SRT lecture?:P Hehehe:) "... so that if you ran the clock backwards, you would get a different result." Well, you don't! The CPT symmetry you are talking about means something like a "mirror image" with all properties (matter/antimatter, reversed energy, time effectively running in the other direction, etc.) inverse. It wouldn't be distinguishable from our universe, that is the point of that thought (and mathematical) model. This symmetry is purely computational(or an attempted explanation that is not to be understood literally), but can still reveal a lot about the underlying mechanisms. I can't say who came up with the rarely stupid idea of simply wanting to invert parts of the "whole" package, or to see it as something REAL and not a calculation or mental model. In any case, he has no idea about physics and also seems to come from another universe (please choose between Star Wars Reference and: maybe there where all "Flatearthers" come from?:) ), because in this universe, such things are simply not observed. In reality we measured f.e. violations of the T-Invariance with time-dependent decay-rate asymmetries of initially strangeness-tagged kaon/neutral-kaons. This simply means there is something wrong with the model. That causality can be reversed or time can be made run backwards because the properties of the physics theories contains symmetrie (or in some parts not) only shows that someone has NOT UNDERSTOOD the meaning of symmetry! But take it positive. If we get a message from a "mirror" (or anti) (part of the) universe, then we can detect without a doubt if it is an anti-universe;) For further reading see. T-violation and CPT-invariance measurements in the CPLEAR experiment : a detailed description of the analysis of neutral-kaon decays to eπν, CERN-EP-2001-060 Wikipedia on CPT-Invariance as aggregator and absolutely dry sh... like Kostelecký, V. A.; Russell, N. (2011). "Data tables for Lorentz and CPT violation" Have fun;)

[@dieSpinnt]

Let me just do a more or less stupid example to emphasize the importance of symmetries: The filling level in my wine cellar is absolutely symmetrical to my drinking behavior and the purchase of new wine. This is a theory confirmed by measurement! One day, after a vacation, while a neighbor was watering the flowers, this symmetry was suddenly violated. This left no doubt that my theory was either too simplistic or just not complete and all factors considered. Hehehe In exactly the same way, new elementary particles were discovered because symmetries suggested a suspicion(of the underlying "mechanisms", the inner workings) and thus led to a postulate, which in turn led to experiments that then confirmed the conjecture. Symmetries can be a very powerful tool, or rather: a very good advisor. Without them, you wouldn't know where to look in all the variety of possibilities. At least (yes, not always) you have a clue or an educated guess. It is like when you are investigating a complex black box apparatus from the outside. You don't know exactly what is going on, but by tweaking the cogwheels und watching the response (a symmetry) you may get a better and better understanding after a while. "After a while" ... There is no way to reverse that process, nor would it make any sense. The sequence of different events regarding the black box and their causality has nothing to do with the totally distinct description model of the inner workings of the black box. Those are demonstrably two different things! They even do not fit into the same category. One is how we got to our findings, the method, and the other are our findings, the theory, our model that describes our understanding of the apparatus. Cheers!:)

[@Ocxlocxl]

Despite inconsistencies, as you have aptly and concisely explained, the movie was just beautiful to watch

[@mydogbrian4814]

- Agreed! I watch it in reruns too! Mainly cause there is nothing else worth watch on. But it does suck on the intellectual level.

[@10thMorales]

10:54 The Heptapods were using Louise’s vocabulary when they answered her question about their purpose: “Offer weapon.” In parallel, the China shell answered, “Use weapon.” The other 10 shells may have answered in a variation of that two-word phrase with regards to their language that they’re gifting humanity. “Language is the foundation of civilization. It is the glue that hold a people together. It is the first *weapon* drawn in a conflict.”-Louise Banks

[@locutusdborg126]

I am 72 and have been a sci-fi fan before it was mainstream. Arrival is the single best sci-fi movie ever made, IMO. Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) is my second. As far as fantasy, the 10 Commandments is right up there with Tolkein's works.

[@courageunitycompassi]

I beg to differ. Buckaroo Bonsai is the greatest.

[@courageunitycompassi]

It was all going great until those two Tucker Carlson fans murdered the space octopus

[@TheNguyenben85]

Do you mean for the overmind or zerg swarm. For the external swarm😂🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

[@mattcoakes5682]

This tripped me out because I saw your display picture and thought "hey I don't remember commenting on this video, and I'm not 72..."

[@cernstormrunner7263]

I want a sequel about what happens in 3000 years

[@Numba003]

Agreed! God bless! ✝️ :)

[@ericwilliams2574]

Arrival is a fascinating movie. This discussion from you in this video is equally thought provoking, and interesting! Thank you for this!

[@randynelson2265]

The Arrival is a beautiful concept.

[@Duane8472]

This was such a refreshing story. I love original material like this especially when it's so well written and acted. Hungry for more.

[@drhibas]

A movie review with both a physics and philosophy lesson! Wow!

[@JasonGabler]

"A work of art with a powerful story" -- could not have been better said.

[@someb0dy2]

The aliens have some form of anti gravity, either by being able to modify the value of mass of matter or via some other means (localised gravity control maybe). After all their ships are floating above ground without any visible signs of propulsion. If they have that sort of technology, even if they are originally from a fluid environment, they may not need a fluid when travelling, cos they can just modify the environment to have oxygen or other matter in suitable amount for them to ingest in whatever way they do in a "lighter environment". And it will also allow them to sort of fly around in their controlled environment. After all they don't have any visible aerodynamic features on their body which allows them to take off and sort of fly. A squid can possibly sort of walk on land and maybe survive if it doesn't need water to help hold up it's body and if the air is oxygen enriched and maybe with moisture.enrichment as well. And if it has technology to float (anti grav?) it can also "fly" in the air.

[@tardiscommand1812]

Love the sassy style of the Heptapods. They can produce super elaborate images for their language. So I'm thinking they could have easily made it letters or at least a Calvin and Hobbes comic strip explaining everything.

[@Doetinchummer]

One of my all time fav movies and I also enjoyed ur analysis

[@ArronRatliff]

How have i never heard of this movie before today. I am seriously gonna have to give this a watch. Thanks for the video i really enjoyed it. The premise of the movie sounds great

[@bethanybouley6679]

This movie was so good, so unique and so beautifully done. A real masterful work of thought provoking art. Def on my top ten list of best sci fi films of all time💕

[@veggiet2009]

I forgot how awesome this film is, now I wanna watch it again

[@ThePallapower]

Great freaking video man. Wonderful points and thoughts always.

[@c62west]

It's one of my favorite movies. I enjoyed your commentary.

[@seand.g423]

Honestly, that crystalline floor strikes me less as fake rock than textured deck plating to me...

[@chloekaftan]

to be fair of the startrek franchise, most aliens were seeded by seeded by the progenitors or preservers. any aliens that evolved dissimilarly from them are usually cases of isolated evolution.

[@frocurl]

Great video love this stuff. Keep it up man

[@amyhogarten5038]

This was an excellent video. One of the best reviews of this film that I have seen so far. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@johnpaullaizure7330]

14:30 so doesn't that mean the heptapods already knew the outcome of their visit? and were just being very patient.

[@NostalgiaBrit]

Your _'Fringe'_ reference, mentioning the Observers, has earned you a new subscriber! 🥰❤️

[@SuperHippy7]

Every attempt to envision a non-human just ends up looking like some animal or plant or combo. There is nothing new under the sun.

[@Halflife2-y2m]

I watched Arrival for the first time, yesterday and was impressed with it. Ka Plahg. :)

[@babbisvlogs2830]

this video is so enthralling thank you for this

[@MrHominid2U]

The Heptapods reminded me of the Trafalmadorians from Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse 5

[@robchissy]

star trek has had many aliens that were not og the norm, they've had silicon based life forms, space whales, species 8472 that have 3 legs, the list goes on

[@saxondark]

Loved the movie Arrival I'd rank it as being among my faves along with the likes of the classic Close Encounters Of The Third Kind, 2001: A Space Odyssey and it's follow up 2010 and also the movie Contact for example.

[@LunaMitten]

I always do love your calling videos keep it ups

[@Anonymous-sy7or]

Yess I’ve been waiting for you to talk about this

[@elfenmagix8173]

I forget the author but NYC PBS13 made a mini tv series based on the book series and has the same title "The Tripods." The creatures were similar but smaller about 5ft tall and with 3 feet/legs/tentacles.

[@Zurround]

I wish there had been a sequel to that book printed in 1979 called BARLOW'S GUIDE TO EXTRATERRESTRIALS. The aliens in this story could be part of that book.

[@thehermitman822]

Darkseid out there looking for the Anti Life Equation when he should have learned the Anti Time Language.

[@KevinP32270]

great job.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thanks!

[@PathsUnwritten]

Don't trust Lois Lane and Hawkeye for first contact. One bangs aliens and the other kills them.

[@maisiesummers42]

4:30 - "Akin to Whale sounds, which may mean they communicate with each other through echolocation." NO. No no fucking NO. Whales sing to each other. They do NOT use echolocation. Dolphins use echolocation: but not for communication. Echolocation in dolphins is used only for hunting. For communication, dolphins sing. These two things are distinctly different sounds, used in distinctly different ways.

[@injunsun]

@OrangeRiver, don't you see? This helps explain human simple pre-cognition. All of our simple, from time to time understandings, where we know what people we never knew before, talking between themselves, about things we couldn't have know when we had our dreams.... This is common in my family. No bullshit. No lotto numbers, no disasters. Just things I found myself in, where I was seeing and hearing people I didn't know when I had dreams, talking about things that were not happening when I had the dreams. Some information DOES travel back in time, from a fully formed brain, possibly via quantum entanglement. It happened to me at least four times. Never helped me. Just happened. I exclaimed to my 4th grade teacher, showing a filmstrip in 1978, "Oh, my god! Ms. McNamara! I saw that in a dream last night!" She shusshed me. It was around 1978, a portrait of some Euro royal, in an ornate gold frame, against a red background, some aristocrat I don't remember now. The rest were as mundane.

[@ewerwong3624]

The Chinese use language in such a way that the present and future are one and the same. I heard it originally in the context of personal financial planning

[@Numba003]

I've watched Arrival only once. I remember quite enjoying the aliens and the concepts and also being somewhat disappointed by the ending. Regardless, this video was excellently discussed and presented! You make some fantastic content. Thank you. I look forward to other videos on other heady sci-fi films. God be with you out there, everybody. ✝️ :)

[@iamadityavaishy]

I am a Hindi language speaker and just came to know about WORD ORDERS. SVO & SOV........ Well, Hindi does have multiple word ordes, BUT Hindi can be read from left to right only. Just like English!!

[@leytonjay]

Well researched, excellent analysis, but I knew that before I watched it :)

[@misskate3815]

I think I might have to see this movie.

[@misskate3815]

@@subraxas I never saw it bc I don’t like Jeremy Renner, but the squid dudes are SUPER COOL.

[@jeffhallam2004]

Fascinating!

[@JamesEsquire1122]

You deserve so many more subs than you have!

[@Petra44YT]

One of these days, I must watch that movie. You should have mentioned the name again, towards the end, by the way. But I'll find it, as soon as I have Netflix again. (Disconnecting myself from time to time so that I get other stuff done.)

[@alphaomega1089]

Those heptapods were an intermediate species for another alien race. No way did they build those ships.

[@alphaomega1089]

They were a weapon. 'Help us!' - they were being used. Intelligence gathering.

[@alphaomega1089]

Couldn't get a sequel made? No Cloverfield!

[@AndreSakaya]

I never understood the point as being determinism. If that was the point, there is nothing the mother could have done and the father wouldn't leave them. I think the point is to choose the small time she had with her daughter, even if it was to end in the sadness. The alternative was to erase her daughter, which isn't better. It is a maturity thing. As a person as a species. We have the instinct to avoid pain, but pain is a fundamental part of life. We shouldn't cherish it but also not avoid it at any cost.

[@THX-vp9fz]

@Ars "...but also not avoid it at any cost." I disagree. In most cases i really need lidocaine when the dental doc is drilling in my teeth. Apart from that, i got so much mental unneccessary pain in my life from i dont know, that i rather look for painfree life in general. I get your point and know what you mean and i share your opinion that (some) ppl should experience some of it in their life, but its with so many things: your idea is not good for everyone!

[@AndreSakaya]

I am not saying that pain is enjoyable. If we can avoid pain, we should. My point is learning to live with pain. If you spend all your life running away of what can hurt you, you may lose a lot of it. How much each one can or want to deal or avoid with pain or potential pain is a personal choice based on their own life. I also always ask for anesthetic in dental treatments. :)

[@XSilver_WaterX]

While the ending where the Heptapods tell that mankind will aid them in the future as they went back in time to aid humans in 3000 years speaks a certain volume of how humans can be that powerful that the heptapods look like classic cosmic god-aliens to man, only to vise-versa. Humanoid aliens, in-universe, are designed like this because of humanity's self-inflicted insanity of familiarity and half-baked concepts. We show love and respect towards the outer-conceptual and vague rather than the things that represent us, i.e., Star Trek's bad alien designs. (Both in-canon and non-canon)

[@seckinseckin3919]

Tholian race in Star Trek also unusual for me

[@iancowan3527]

*** This has nothing to focus on in this video, but does over carry to every video you do - the added support information, built structure in script, and general elevation in conceptual thinking... Makes watching your videos better than the subjects!***

[@thureintun1687]

Without a doubt this is one of my favourite sci fi movies

[@jhogan1960]

I loved the movie. Your commentary was very thought provoking. Aliens with a Calvinist perception of existence and philosophy.

[@5iveshot170]

At the end of the day the film is science fiction. Every science fiction has some element of science that is stretched for entertainment or thought provoking purposes. In this case it is the rewiring of the brain to see the future. Yes it’s far fetched, but it doesn’t have to be a real concept. Hence the genre name ‘science fiction’. The human story matters more and they used the science fiction to communicate the themes. Even so, we still don’t even understand how time works so anything could be possible!

[@dafiltafish]

I feel like there is room for the heptapods to exist outside the 4th dimension as we know and perceive it. There's a (hear me out) episode of Space Dandy that comes to mind about how higher and lower dimensions could interact with each other and the lower will always perceive the higher from the lower's in their more limited perception of the universe... and then your ex 5-D girlfriend saves your sorry 3-D ass from your own mistakes with the help of a 4-D dude and his yellow space ship.

[@libtardiacitizen]

Why?

[@shanenolan8252]

Thanks

[@marcostejeda5910]

Interesting. Thank you.

[@benbrown8258]

The future may at the same time be both fixed and malleable.

[@madliberal7710]

Amy Adams should have been at least nominated for her acting in this underrated science fiction movie.

[@jymfysher7704]

Sounds like a movie I got to see.I couldn't help but think there is a strong H.P Lovecraft influence in the Hetapods,most notably from his "Mountains of madness"story.

[@FrancoisTessierQuebecCanada]

you are fascinating

[@ManicPandaz]

The atmosphere is the heptopods make me think of a supercritical fluid to me. If you’ve ever seen CO2 go supercritical in a pressure vessel, that’s why I’d imagine it to be like inside the chamber... if you could breath and survive that is lol

[@charlestaylor253]

You couldn't. You'd need a pressure suit and you know that...

[@vomeronasal]

Nice job of discussing this interesting film.

[@Greenmachine305]

Common assumptions about time are flawed. It renders much of what people say as nonsense.

[@mikeslayer5926]

I am embarrassed that ive been subscribed for 6 mos and just now found your "arrival" review although ill agree the ending could have been stronger it cannot destroy the uniqueness of the story line I dont know if i could have ever come up with such a scenario it comepletely took me by surprise, I enjoy most of yer opinions,...cept for ds9 having the best captain MUCH LUCK dont let yt fukk ya too hard Mike

[@SnarkNSass]

Cool 😎

[@Jackkalpakian]

It owes something to HG Wells' Martians in War of the Worlds?

[@johnlockhart7751]

Never saw this movie. Did see the Charlie Sheen one.

[@debbieannsmith8962]

Pretty good movie 😎😎😎

[@jade_the_doll9299]

Love the way you cut right to an Asari when talking about how science fiction tends to limit itself by making stuff way too human, they did some really interesting stuff with the Asari culture but they would have been so much cooler if they weren't just pretty blue ladies

[@cookiemonstera9218]

cool. good shit

[@TomUlcak]

Why do we think linearly? Socialization? What are dreams and why do they not follow the time arrow toward entropy?

[@callummacalister]

The book and the movie seem to take the position that the reason we can't "perceive" the future is that we simply lack the framing to do so. It's a major extrapolation of the hypothesis, but it has lower-level precedence - the tale that Native people simply did not understand what the Spanish ships that brought the Conquistadors were because they lacked the linguistic frame to describe and thus perceive them. In this case, one could make an argument that all the aliens' language did was "unlock" our ability to discuss the future we were already able to perceive but could not even decribe to ourselves because we lacked the conceptual basis to do so. Implausible? Certainly, but not the hugest stretch Science Fiction has ever taken, and certainly more interesting than "laser go pew-pew" (which I also love!)

[@THX-vp9fz]

"pewpew" :D

[@otrotland5377]

deep

[@Zurround]

There are too many paradoxes with being able to know the future like described in this video. I agree with him about entropy and I do not believe ANY life form can do what these creatures did its just not possible.

[@THX-vp9fz]

fictive even ;)

[@THX-vp9fz]

I saw lots of movies in my life with aliens who didnt look like they could build anything technical, not to mention something complex like a spaceship. I know, dont judge a book by its cover a.s.o. On the other hand, i'm pleasently surprised about the idea of the visible communication in this movie, something of a style/way i never would have had the idea of. Last but not least i really love the deep frequency sounds in this movie. Some are scaring tho. ;) PS Out off topic, i rather believe in timetravel than in aliens. Vote up if you agree! :D

[@MintyFarts]

Loved the video! You should check out Philosophers in Space, I think you'll enjoy it.

[@tihoprskalo7719]

Not Star Trek? 🖖

[@TheNguyenben85]

For the overmind 😂

[@charlestaylor253]

Rather Lovecraftian-appearing aliens, aren't they? 😳

[@0nan-Son-of-Juda-Brother-of-Er]

The Great Race of Yith Lovecraftian

[@urlicqeldromamakolligjazva1752]

I liked hishe proday of arrival. How it should have ended, animation. The alien was superman.

[@rrmenton8016]

I used to complain how all the alien species in star trek were all bipedal, symmetrical, and similar to humans. I dont anymore, I would mostly complain about similar size, and proportions, but not the basic configuration. When you take inro accoynt the vasic rules of physics abd chemistry, it makes sense that most technological species would begin their evolution in a solvent (like water) but necessarily need to move into a thin gaseous atmosphere with a light oxygen content so they can make fire. Species in water can have lots of configurations (octopi, squid , crabs, shellfish, fish, crabs etc) because they can float swim whatever but when you move onto land, you gotta stand up to gravity. This means legs. Its tough for a species without a developed musculoskeletal structure to balance on 2 legs. You could balance on 3, but basic physics and engineering tells you that's highly unstable. Four, sixs eight etc are all stable, however if you weigh more than an insect, you have to deal with fuel (food) to power each limb; four gives you the most bang for you buck. After evolving on land species can specialize, 2 legs 2 wings, 2 legs 2 arms, or even 0 legs like a snake, but they all start with 4 legs. If youre going to do tech, it all begins with basic chemistry; tanning hides to make leather, making fire to melt ores. You cant do any of that in a solvent, you need a thin atmosphere to kkeep substances seperate. So you 2 legs 2 arms in an oxygen environment is key to beiing technological.

[@SwankyKitteh82]

Soooo, due to special relativity and the three aspects of time all being constants that exist simultaneously, what (aside from the ever present entropy) would stop me from "changing my perspective" (as it were, described here) and walking my happy ass back to the 1980's? xD Cause damn I'd do it, for sure. As we're moving further into dystopia in my opinion, not the opposite.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

the speed of light is stopping you

[@Bugman541]

eggs

[@mudpawsvoom6132]

Look at Jupiter and Saturn , then think really think.

[@KYCDK]

one thing i think would be cool to explore alien life that shares zero characteristics with life on earth these are pretty alien, but i find it odd that they use light to see and sound to here. what if an alien species used light to hear and sound to see. communicating with light and seeing stuff with sound

[@martinsenoner8186]

Didn't see the Film 😆

[@THX-vp9fz]

You should, its good

[@warrenpeas]

she chose to have the child though

[@kfcroc18]

Alien don't have to be Humanoid, but they also don't have to be non-Humaniod

[@chickenbonelives]

GROK

[@HELLBENDER77]

yeah good luck finding that fulfillment

[@bobbyseals007]

Even through i completely believe the Bible describing the earth is flat with a glass sky. I still love me some science fiction

[@madliberal7710]

According to a few future thinking biologists sea creatures such in the cephalopod family could evolve into sentient beings millions of years from now when mammals become extinct.

[@charlestaylor253]

The Determinism theory doesn't take the existence of Parallel Universes into account. In basic Quantum theory all possible outcomes of every conceivable action and reaction exist within an infinite number of separate dimensional planes. 🤓

[@christianeaster2776]

Time doesn't directly relate to entropy. True entropy increases as time proceeds in what we perceive as the positive direction, but that is a characteristic of entropy not time. As explained in relativity time is neither positive or negative. Past, present, and future exist concurrently.

[@ecrusch]

Funny how their spaceship resembles the one observed recently passing through our solar system...

[@loumorningstar7709]

Omuamua?

[@BennysBenz]

You know the real Arrival starred Charlie Sheen.