I'd like to clarify that the Subaru F1 engine came before Subaru's dominant run in the World Rally Championship in the 1990s. The way the video was laid out made it seem the other way around. What other crazy engines would you add to the list? 👀
@DBerwick10 ай бұрын
Developed for Coloni F1 by Motori Moderni, the engine was under funded and under-developed. Subaru was brought in and bought the naming rights for the engine. Subaru played no real role in it's development. Subaru simply provided money to MM. The engine continued to be under-developed and the chassis it was in was terrible.
@Nordic_Mechanic10 ай бұрын
The ISUZU F1 V12
@hannukoistinen53299 ай бұрын
Whits Subaru you will beat American V-8??@@DBerwick
@user-wj7id1zu7e9 ай бұрын
Crazy how the Subaru Flat-12 was almost used to power the Koenigsegg CC
@Ramsi-Berlin9 ай бұрын
From two VR8 engines of the VW Passat they build the W16 from the Veyron/Chiron ❕️😃 I think the VR Layout is pretty genius 👌🏼 Love from Berlin 🇩🇪 Ramsi 🙋🏻♂️
@fatpad0010 ай бұрын
Should have covered Honda's V5, used in MotoGP It used a 75.5° bank angle and the rod journal for the center piston was offset 104° from all the others, perfectly offsetting the primary imbalances that a v5 would normally have
@kevinparchman44449 ай бұрын
Yes and I would have included the NSR750 as well. One had success, the other not so much.
@Soulstealer2410 ай бұрын
What about the 12 rotor engine currently being rebuilt by Rob Dahm?
@oussama462910 ай бұрын
if it's not working. don't talk about it
@mikeyhendri10 ай бұрын
@@oussama4629 it dit run. There is proof on youtube. Rob is making it better by rebuilding it. So jeah, the 12 rotor is the craziest engine
@cxpcman9 ай бұрын
That thing has been around for a decade , barely running , i dont know why people still interested
@Flying_Fetus9 ай бұрын
What about it?
@oussama46299 ай бұрын
@@mikeyhendri rob is just robbing people of their time by making those series claiming he can make it happen. I don't think a single man can achieve what a full company couldn't
@CruzanRastamon10 ай бұрын
As a VR6 expert. Can tell you that the VR5 was made for those countries that insurance amount is based on your engines size. Hence why only a handful of counties had it. It was also short lived because soon after the laws changed. The power had nothing to do with it because Volkswagen was still using the 1.8t at the time that made more power and came in base model cars. The VR6 was designed to be a diesel.
@haku11557 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly, both the base versions of 2.3L VR 5 and the 1.8T make the same HP and are only used in the GTI Model. There is a 150HP version for both and then the "upgraded" version with 170HP in the VR5 and 180HP in the 1.8T for the 25 year anniversary Golf Mk4 GTI. The 1.8T would just go a lot faster because the max torque range is higher in the turbo engine. The 2.3L would Rev higher and deliver less torque. The VR5 has some very unique and in my humble opinion pretty awesome sound and is beloved and hated by the VW following here in germany depending who you ask. It just doesn't really deliver as well as the 1.8T feeling wise. There is a saying about the VR5: You can hear it for a long time and you can see it for a long time.
@CruzanRastamon7 ай бұрын
@@haku1155 150hp, 185hp that came in special edition gti’s and the beetle S. 225hp that came in the Audi TT. Mind you this is North American as we never got the VR5. It was as 2.0L, 1.8t, and VR6 till the mk5 platform came with the 2.0t fsi. We got the diesel but it was the 1.9L TDI.
@haku11557 ай бұрын
@@CruzanRastamonyea the GTI came in 4 Engine variations in Germany. Actually 3 but the 180 HP 1.8T is imho more like its own thing. V5 - 150HP rev1 and 170HP rev2 1.8T - 150HP rev1 and 180HP rev2 1.9 TDI. In the 1.9 TDI it was merely the interior and exterior line with the normal Diesel as the most powerful version had 135 HP. Much more interesting is the Polo 9N3 with the 1.9TDI and 130HP. That engine has lots of potential while being safely and easily upgradeable to almost 1.8T levels of power and stunning 300+ Nm of torque.
@brandon-ci9zjАй бұрын
@@haku1155no one cares vws are trash
@colchronic10 ай бұрын
A Jz V12 already exists it's in the century. It is basically the same as two 1jz engines sure if the heads are compatible but I'm pretty sure you can make them fit
@Babz2910 ай бұрын
Came here to say this, it's called a 1GZ
@mrspandel573710 ай бұрын
Sigh, the 1GZ is a completely unrelated engine that happens to have a similar displacement per cylinder as the 1JZ (albeit with totally different Bore and Stroke).
@alfazagato145510 ай бұрын
Yeah, the GZ is only related in being made by Toyota. I don't know of any parts commonality.
@eggreedgious519410 ай бұрын
Make them fit? What, with like zip ties and hose clamps? 😂
@colchronic10 ай бұрын
@@eggreedgious5194 machine work. But I'm not sure
@pnwchris20009 ай бұрын
My preferred term for those goofy VW engines is “Narrow 6”
@evanthelegend761010 ай бұрын
Probably the earliest I've seen a video pop into my recommended. Great video as always!
@linchester846410 ай бұрын
Koenigsegg first hypercar almost used the Subaru flat 12 engine from the failed F1 project. In fact the chassis was custom made to fit the engine but was later scrapped and they used the Ford V8 instead.
@JohnEvans-ct6mz10 ай бұрын
Jeez, and I complained about doing head gaskets on a Subaru 4 banger, that engine has to be at least three times worse! Imagine having to reseal the case halves of the engine block!😳
@MrWombatty5 ай бұрын
Thinking that the perfect vehicle to fit one of those V8 Hyabusa engines into would be an Arial Atom!
@AndreasSilva10010 ай бұрын
oh i got that vr5 in my passat!
@Erik_Swiger10 ай бұрын
2 minutes in, and we're at 785 hp. At this rate, we should just about hit 5300 hp by the end of the video.
@marcwieder66910 ай бұрын
hoped to see & hear about the TVR speed twelve enginge... thats an insane piece of hardware
@MrWombatty5 ай бұрын
After driving the insane Speed-12 to his home, TVR's owner decided that they were too dangerous to sell to the public & canned its manufacture!
@timanderberg401110 ай бұрын
You should look into VWs W8 engine
@anonlincracing248410 ай бұрын
The flat - ish 12 turbo that Porsche did in the 917 was it that was by far the biggest compliment for the early 80s boasting 800 hp - 1500 hp tuned up
@felixsantiago560610 ай бұрын
Exactly. To good that has to be retired. BOP rules didn't allow that monster to perform at 100%. But it was unstoppable
@carlob5179 ай бұрын
Not tuned up, they just turned up the boost pressure , especially for qualifying
@TinyBearTim2 ай бұрын
@@carlob517well they are turned it’s a lemans engine that has turbos
@GetSmartGrips4 ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for turning me onto NEUTRON engines and Creg. If anyone who’s a real gearhead and has an extra 8 to 10 minutes to spend looking at amazing automotive engineering go throw some love at Creg over NEUTRON engines in Phoenix. Trust me you’ll dig it.!
@Guspech7504 ай бұрын
Great video as always🤟
@michaelathens9539 ай бұрын
That 1J V-12 sounds freaking amazing.
@rigatonymaster32447 ай бұрын
Hey Bryce! Do you think that at some point, you can let us know a thing or two about where some of the best boxer/flat 6 engines were used?? 😁🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
@glennoropeza35453 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing that Subaru flat 12 engine's history! Now I know! This engine was tried again in offshore powerboat racing with lackluster success! Edwardo Polli - a wealthy Italian financier- had a custom made aluminum 44ft catamaran powered by four of these turbo 2.9liter flat12 engines, each engine made 550hp! Four engines drove two razor sharp surfacing propellers! Like all powerboats this boat was fast and fairly reliable but didn't win any championships and lasted 3 seasons maybe 4? His rivals all used big 8 liter V12 Lamborghini gas engine, Chevy big block gas engines or big 9.8 liter Isotta Fraschini diesels or SeaTek diesels!
@ellomirza10 ай бұрын
All these little V8s would be perfect hybridized. Electricity covers low end torque then put drag on the motor at high rpm to charge the battery because you want to rev an engine out but you don’t necessarily need 400hp in a 55mph corner. Anyone could easily make this today it would be the perfect drivers car and cost $1.3 mil and of course no one would buy it LoL.
@jhenson51689 ай бұрын
Came here to find something to shove into my geo tracker. Thanks
@goomanhlr56974 ай бұрын
Bit nitpicky about the Honda K48 but it would actually be a 4.7L V8 and not a 4.8L one because the K24 is actually only 2354cc which is 4708cc when multiplied by 2
@virific762 ай бұрын
They could have changed bore or stroke slightly
@MrMightyZ25 күн бұрын
I keep trying to say “5.7 litres and 120hp” But every time I get about half way through the “and” I get so nauseous and dizzy that I throw up and faint.
@pogmothoin716410 ай бұрын
How about Build it Yourself's 40 valve V10.
@yuritahdid14758 ай бұрын
I find it strange that you didn't have the 12 rotor Mazda that one shop created. Not sure the name but the engine is absolutely ridiculous!
@MrWombatty5 ай бұрын
Others have mentioned it, but disputed that it counts because it isn't ready yet to go in a car, however the original builder had it running in a high-performance, open-water, race-boat!
@JayEnn-p6b9 ай бұрын
That video was insane
@elemar59 ай бұрын
Smashing two engines together just breaks the engines.
@VictorMPR10 ай бұрын
This “2 Hayabusa engines stuck together” thing is such a misnomer. It’s a different block, different crank… Might as well just say “this guy made a custom block/bottom end and put Hayabusa cylinder heads on it.”
@horaciokanashiro-hv2zn9 ай бұрын
Subj: Two motorcycle engines smashed together. Missing #1: An Englishman made a V12 joining two Kawasaki 1300 water cooled six inline, and keep thhe orinal frame. Added data, he made other delirious creations. Missing #2: The Honda V12, from two Honda 1050 CBX air cooled, made in the USA, runs on a original CBX frame, sounds sweet as mando. Excelent video ! 👍
@MrGaryGG489 ай бұрын
I suspect you're referring to the "Allen Millyard Specials." For one guy, pushing the envelope of his curiosity, this guy is amazing. He found 2 Kawasaki 1300cc inline 4s. His engineering work is about as basic as you'll find. A hacksaw and a welder are primary tools in his shop, and he is a master with them. Just run a search for "Allen Millyard Specials" if you're curious.
@ardenpeters29529 ай бұрын
Eyes roaming around is disconcerting.
@thisguy655910 ай бұрын
*TVR has entered the chat* "Smooshed V-engine? Yeah we tried that at the factory as well, but decided we should leave holocaust to the Germans." Also I appreciate you saying 'Subaru has a Legacy' rorororo
@kevinparchman44449 ай бұрын
I would have included Honda's RC211V which is a V5 and the NSR 750 which had oval pistons. Lots of unique engines out there tho and certainly can't list 'em all.
@lesklower728110 ай бұрын
I knew about the radical V8 made from two Hyabussa engines and the 5 cylinder VW engines but for the others crazy
@iebah110 ай бұрын
Good video, very interesting. I would have been interested to hear how reliable (or not) the double-Hayabusa engines were, and would have liked to have at least heard the sound the MM-Subaru engine made. Otherwise great.
@sentientdogma120610 ай бұрын
Bringing up the Hyabusa v8 without talking about the Ariel Atom v8? Smh.
@Flying_Fetus9 ай бұрын
Heard of all of those. Its hard discovering new shit these days.
@88laserbeamАй бұрын
When rob dahm interviewed the guy who created a 12 rotory boat engine
@triggrhaapi10 ай бұрын
They also did the flipped cylinder head thing on the RPE RP-V8 from Radical.
@cardboardboxification10 ай бұрын
I would like to see a v12 turbo hyabusa, Alright what KZbin guru Is going to build one
@RW1LD7 ай бұрын
You need to do a small diesels video. 1.9 vw, the 3.0 toyotas, the L100 Yanmar that is copied TO DEATH, I know there has to be some garden tractor engines and generator engines in there too.
@adamweston41529 ай бұрын
There's a video just arrived on KZbin of a Toyota starlet with a V8 hyabusa engine and it's a hill climb car and it's a beast.
@elprzemo66610 ай бұрын
VR engines are straight engines with more compact form. Callig this "V" configuration is pure marketing.
@neilquinn7 ай бұрын
Timing components on the back for poorly designed engines... we're looking at you B58
@The-fs5wn10 ай бұрын
The flat twelve could have been great in a dragster (albeit larger). In theory it is the most balanced engine there is. Perfect primary and secondary balance, with almost zero chassis stress since every force cancels out. With DOHC heads, triple the displacement, nitro gas and a TF level supercharger pushing the same boost psi as now, you’d have an engine that revs way higher, flows air better, has more displacement, and will sound better. With that much performance headroom, 13k hp would be viable and would last an entire event without the need for a total rebuild every run.
@jiroyamamoto287810 ай бұрын
I am sure it is not a boxer engine, but a 180 degree V12. Two rods will be sharing common rod journals.
@austenmoore97829 ай бұрын
I know where a running/driving example of the Subaru F1 car is here in Australia. It's pretty cool.
@antor.j.medrano10 ай бұрын
That's unheard-of to me.
@encinobalboa9 ай бұрын
Mazda three and more rotor engines should be on this list.
@jwoody881510 ай бұрын
Id love to take one of the TT Hiyabusa V8s into a volkswagen beetle, that would be insane.
@Terryray12310 ай бұрын
Instead of a K48. K36 Inline 6
@snoofayy615010 ай бұрын
Straight 6 K would be insane
@edgeofentropy349210 ай бұрын
Why didn't you mention the BRM H-16?
@davemeasor3949 ай бұрын
I remember the sound from F1! at Mosport but the car was not competitve at all
@mikeflip799 ай бұрын
That's the engine I first thought of
@lrod3127 ай бұрын
I would love to stick 2 Yamaha R6 engines together to make it a 6L V8. The exhaust note would sound insane. It already sounds so good as a 4 cyl. It wouldn’t be the LFA but it would sound close enough I think.
@glennoropeza35453 ай бұрын
R6 is only 600 cc! 2 of those engines are only 1.2 liters!
@mickvonbornemann382410 ай бұрын
I assume with these small V8s, they can have flat plane cranks, which also means they can can fork n’ blade rods, which means each bank can be in-line with each other, meaning no stagger & thus no rocking couple & thus no 3rd order of imbalance.
@nomercyinc678310 ай бұрын
the gt350 mustang had a 5.2 v8 with a flant crank. doesnt need to be small to have a flat crank
@ramseycattn594110 ай бұрын
What do you mean by fork and blade rods?
@jiroyamamoto287810 ай бұрын
At the big end 1 rod is normal looking. The other rod big end is very wide and a slot is cut into the big end so the other rod will fit there. Harley Davidson's still do this. However neither of the V8's being discussed have fork and blade rods. This rod arrangement is no longer considered optimal.
@ramseycattn594110 ай бұрын
Ah, i see. Interesting. Thanks! @@jiroyamamoto2878
@MJT-DA13 күн бұрын
Can you do an VM 3.0 Diesel issues for gen 1, 2 and 3?
@Cowboy66SEVEN9 ай бұрын
Hey could you plz do a video on the 3.6 pentastar v6
@terrypikaart439410 ай бұрын
They seem insane, but its just a giant magnification of the Subaru engine problems. They were very unreliable and didn't make enough hp to compete...
@bowez910 ай бұрын
No metion of the Ford 300 with LS head or 400 based V12?
@silvermane174110 ай бұрын
I always wondered if anybody combined two MOPAR slant sixes together?🤔
@HooniCoonCustoms10 ай бұрын
The inaccuracies within the first 3:00 of this video are horrendous
@dangdang397010 ай бұрын
So i gotta ask.... why was the black supra on a dyno with a scissor jack umder it ?? 🤷♂️... genuinly curious
@Nordic_Mechanic10 ай бұрын
I'd like to nominate the ISUZU V12 Formula 1 engine
@Eluderatnight10 ай бұрын
Hondas factory racing has a 2.8L 500hp v8. Last I saw they were $50,000 for a freshly rebuilt one.
@n.b.p.davenport706610 ай бұрын
I would like to see a modern 2-stroke V8
@robflange8 ай бұрын
Synergy V8 was designed in NZ and has been used successfully in speedway midgets as well
@willythewave6 ай бұрын
@6:44 That looks like somebody with a big giant hand slapped him HARD.
@Realtime150110 ай бұрын
Koenigsegg has the last of the Subaru flat 12 engines
@kreepingdeth19810 ай бұрын
You said long block, but just showed a straight up bare block
@raphaelcaesar898610 ай бұрын
Two Honda cbx1000 s6 engines would make a killer high rpm v12
@rientsdijkstra426610 ай бұрын
What is important for acceleration and pulling power of the vehicle is the torque at the contactpatch between wheel and road. There are two ways of getting more pulling power at the road (which can be combined of course): 1.) increase the torque at the crankshaft ( = nominal torque of the engine), OR 2.) raise the rpm at which the torque is delivered. Why? Simply because the same torque at a higher rpm of the engine implies that a lower gearing and thus a higher multiplication of the torque in the transmission from engine to road can be used. So in the end it is the POWER (torque x rpm) and not the nominal torque of the engine that determines how hard it actually pulls on the road!
@ramseycattn594110 ай бұрын
Exactly right. Probably less than .1 of 1 percent of car people get this
@rientsdijkstra426610 ай бұрын
@@ramseycattn5941 Thnx!
@RitaElaineHeltonBarker-uz4sz9 ай бұрын
I wanna see a Subaru Flat 16 cylinder engine
@KangoV10 ай бұрын
How about the Aston Martin Vulcan V12. It's two Ford Duratec V6 engines melded together. Around 830 hp and 575 lb-ft (780 Nm) of torque.
@mikeflip799 ай бұрын
I think the Vulcan is a custom cosworth job. But the older astons like the Vanquish and v12 vantage were basically what you're saying. The One77 might be the ultimate version of that engine
@Adam-ub9nu10 ай бұрын
Well, the fact that those 2JZ's making well over 800 horsepower have insanely expensive aftermarket internals and a turbocharger as big around as a basketball and the 2JZ derived V12 is naturally aspirated might have something to do with the latter's power output.
@krimke88110 ай бұрын
Overall I would vote the Volvo straight 5, and the Audi 5 on top. Rock Solid and crazy tunable.
@twoeightythreez4 ай бұрын
The Toyota Century had a 5.0L V12 which was also based on the 2jz
@JC-gw3yo9 ай бұрын
the Ford Coyote makes more sense and it is making huge power at reasonable prices
@WorkinClassCanadian10 ай бұрын
It's wild that if you go from a boxer 6 to any other flat configured cylinder count it becomes the most unreliable engine ever.
@alfazagato145510 ай бұрын
Tbh, there's been several other companies that managed flat 4s with great reliability.
@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo10 ай бұрын
LMAO you never heard of the Porsche 917 or the the VW beetle??😂
@ramseycattn594110 ай бұрын
Ferrari Testarossa used a flat 12. Can have perfect balance if done as a boxer
@invertedv12powerhouse7710 ай бұрын
ah man you didnt mention the v12 LS engine made in aussie land!
@solomonleyva30469 ай бұрын
You are the reason TT is successful. Bloated no delivery bs
@marcelluscunningham827210 ай бұрын
Man hayabusa were getting spanked by R1s and zx10/12r before those bikes
@boziewz612510 ай бұрын
By the hyabusa engines, im.guess the the 3.2 is the 1.6 conversion kit for the standard 1.3. If that's the case, the 3.2 should be capable of upward of 900-1100hp as the 1.6 with a turbo makes 550hp easily. Ghostrider had one. It looked scarey
@venomousninetails10 ай бұрын
I would love to see another company revisit the flat-12. Just not Subaru
@nomercyinc678310 ай бұрын
a 12 cylinder subi motor would be 3 times more likely to break down
@cromo774310 ай бұрын
Why make a V12 with 120 degrees? This engine has a 120 degree ignition interval, like a 6 cylinder engine, with ignition of each 2 cylinders occurring at the same time.
@MrReniks9 ай бұрын
Thosse f2000 was the big boss on the roads when I was a kid.
@michaelmayer86189 ай бұрын
Toyota makes a car called the century that has a v12 that’s basically two 1jz put together
@WilliamAlewel-mw4fn10 ай бұрын
Do the gm 4.3v6
@lordasperger987810 ай бұрын
An interesting idea would be to make the exact opposite of the engines in the video and take a half of an s85 v10 and make an inline 5 out of it. Wondering if anyone did something like that. Would be pretty cool in my opinion.
@SelectCircle9 ай бұрын
Something that costs twice as much with half the power interests nobody! Here - let me pour your Big Gulp into two smaller cups and charge you twice as much for each. You cool with that? 8 D
@mikeflip799 ай бұрын
The modern Audi inline 5 is basically half the v10 from the R8 and Lamborghini
@SelectCircle9 ай бұрын
@@mikeflip79 But he's talking about sawing it in half - in your shop.
@nicholassilfanus495410 ай бұрын
that engine was used on the supercar of 1988, caspita
@nickolaswilliams9359 ай бұрын
Subi flat 12: blows head gaskets 3x more often than an STi😆
@MrWombatty5 ай бұрын
Can imagine that the biggest problem they'd have to overcome is preventing it overheating!
@hondaguy91538 ай бұрын
Aerial Atom 500 has that 500hp Hayabusa engine on it.
@TinyBearTim10 ай бұрын
Why did u not talk about Koenigsegg trying to use a Subaru engine
@danielroy59879 ай бұрын
Someone needs to weld two real formula 1 engines together and test the power, i would definitely buy a working one with 20,000 rpm limit.
@surfside7525 күн бұрын
Honda k48 800hp/10k rpm with genuine vtec flat plane crank❤
@truck685910 ай бұрын
3 or 4 years ago, Toyota came out with their "Dynamic Force" engine. How has it done?
@ndcrtl10899 ай бұрын
What about the Mitsubishi evo engine ? Has anyone put two or three of those together ?
@crankybear12368 ай бұрын
Could of let us hear the sound of that Subie engine!
@erikjohnson14828 ай бұрын
So a semi-conspiracy theory i have is that during WW2, when Japan and Germany shared technology, Japan was gifted the VW type one engine aka the bug engine.... Which was also designed by Porsche hence why Subaru and porsche share similar performance
@timsmith14519 ай бұрын
What about 2 Straight-eight engine in a v configuration
@droomonstaАй бұрын
"Custom made crankshaft from scat" I'm assuming thats a company name or alloy? and not a big chunk of hard animal poo 😂
@rdeh167810 ай бұрын
I seen 2 liter engines making 1000 hp , my mzr puts out 765 at the wheel , and a baro can make easy 1500 hp