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[@WatchMojo]

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[@BenJammin2305]

Please do a video of all the stupidest theories presented in Ancient Aliens, please help debunk this show's misleading views on human history

[@jcj268]

This video title reminds me of Ducktales

[@endoetz]

Ark of the Covenant

[@femf8tal]

@@endoetzsame

[@Azores19]

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[@gloria88246]

I am absolutely loving these long video playlist, thanks watchmojo.

[@tinarachelleriley1815]

Hey Ya'll from Texas USA! If you are reading this, you are awesome ;)

[@bucksolo703]

Hello my Texas compadre. We live in the best state of them all. Texas forever!!!!

[@tinarachelleriley1815]

@@bucksolo703 Hell yeah!! :)

[@NONANTI]

Thanks! I always suspected as much.

[@osamabinrobbin]

Shouts out from Miami 🫡

[@Yoyo-s6r9z]

Not much thought about Roanoke those who weren't killed by the Indians starved or were assimilated into the tribe.Oak island is what happens when people continuously dig and lose stuff in the same area for hundreds of years over a bullshit story.Most mystery with the site is bullshit or coincidence.Holy Grail bullshit story since whenever.No such object ever existed.Shround of Turin bullshit fake relic since the middle ages.Bermuda triangle don't even get me started on that bullshit story of lies and coincidence.Astrology, numerology, pseudoscience bullshit bullshit bullshit.Aliens didn't put together one fucking pyramid either.It all comes down to people either wanting to belong to a community of people who think like them and take the bullshit to an all new level over the years or an idiot thinks they have something figured out that no one else thought of before.Good luck with that.

[@Sr.DudeGuy]

To those who care, hello and have a good day! I lost a 21 year old cat a week ago... And the owner of that cat I lost today! Update: things are better now and thanks to those who care! 🙏

[@Reaperguy67]

Hello there

[@CandiceVidito]

Hiya!

[@kcblueeyes933]

Ditto!

[@boozmiller]

Cheers mate! 😁

[@Marty.Robins]

Hello 👋 and ignore reaperguy67. He's a troll.

[@muffassa6739]

😊 good morning to you all from Michigan USA I love watching this video on KZbin I hope we have a safe life 💜

[@femf8tal]

Good morning and bless you for kindness

[@anthonycassillo5142]

A safe life??? I'm about to die within a week Idk about any safe life

[@SeanBeyond]

@@anthonycassillo5142huh?

[@BlueBonnie764]

​@@anthonycassillo5142😢 Sorry for your loss... Smart ass. 🫏💥

[@BlueBonnie764]

​@@anthonycassillo5142not funny, get your kicks somewhere else.

[@TheHolyQuran30in30]

Thank you for sharing these sites, theories and artifacts! I appreciate seeing the narrators behind the voices, yay real people!!!!

[@TheBamaChad-W4CHD]

Supposedly "The Night of the Long Knives" was the day the order was given to betray, kill and eradicate the Knights Templar. That daye happened to be on a Friday. Friday the 13th specifically. Thats why it became known as a bad day.

[@lionheart3143]

That's fake conspiracy and racist

[@TheBamaChad-W4CHD]

I love the whole mystery surrounding the Knights Templar. They discovered something incredible alright. They discovered if they took a huge amount of money to a place that was very dangerous to travel to but many people wanted to go to and spend money those same people would happily pay to not take the risk of losing that money. So the people gave them money and the Knights Templar gave them a ticket for a price. They could then redeem that ticket at the place without facing people robbing them along the way. Then they realized people would gladly pay a large amount of money tomorrow for money loaned to them today and were happy to be paid in land if you didn't have the cash. So boom! Basically overnight they because super-rich and powerful landowners who were wealthy enough to start lending to kings and Popes. Back then kings and Popes were not known for their word or loyalty. It was only a matter of time before someone decided to wipe their debt ny wiping the bank away.

[@insightsman196]

I blame the French King that borrowed the money, then didn't want to pay so made things up to charge them, it didn't help that Templars were a secretive order, So it made people think maybe it's true, Templars have always been interesting to me

[@TheBamaChad-W4CHD]

@insightsman196 yeah. That is exactly what ruined them. He owed money and didn't want to pay bit still had to have permission from the Pope. Guess who else happened to owe a huge sum of money to them. Yes. The Pope. Of course he would give the go ahead.

[@insightsman196]

@@TheBamaChad-W4CHD Clement V yes , but your wrong, He was pressured by the people of Paris and The French King who forced the popes hand , See The Capetian King was invested with a Christlike function being the number one defender of the Catholic faith, it raised he above the Pope, So again Blame Phillip and the people of France who believed his lies about them

[@maxsredditreadingclub8353]

RIP To All The Innocent 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@dsxa918]

RIP headphone users

[@rbilleaud]

For those who died from the Dancing Plague, they should have been doing the Safety Dance.

[@BobWelchfan]

Lol I love that song too 😮

[@buzz5969]

Safety dance….🕺

[@CandiceVidito]

And The Bermuda Triangle is still a mystery to this day. Makes me wonder if it will ever be solved

[@morguegrotesque]

according to most scientist there is no bigger chance disappearing in The Bermuda Triangle than anywhere else over any body of water.

[@SweetLilWren]

As one of the busiest shipping lanes to date Bermuda triangle does not have more losses of both or planes than other places

[@unknown5150variable]

It's not a mystery. 😊

[@0TychoBrahe0]

It's not mystery anymore, not after the satellite images, GPS, and hurricane forecast. Wnat to see what happened to many of these boats and olanes, just watch the film The Perfect Storm, not the exact same area of that case but the same principle, tripical storms and hurricanes. Mystery is over in modern times.

[@AFKiNinja]

I believe they found the skeleton Amelia Earhart on an island where some vicious crabs lived she and the co-pilot where eaten by the crabs

[@buzz5969]

If it was Coconut crabs they wouldnt have found a full skeleton, only pieces, them crabs can snap bones, in either case it would have certainly been worldwide headline news by now if proved to be true. The fact that it isnt CONFIRMED says all you need to know!😊✌🏻🍻

[@joycepetrina2791]

I’m so sorry…it’s so hard when you lose a beloved pet♥️

[@Planes_man]

Have an amazing day!

[@WatchMojo]

You too!

[@JaskoVentures]

Another great video from this channel

[@rickwiley9653]

Why cant cave art be as simple as they liked to paint (as people do now) or they wanted their cave to look nicer (as people do now) :)

[@derekteague1314]

Its significance stems from the facts that it was a way for them to communicate and keep records. So it's much more important than just a hobby.

[@tinaphilip7782]

Hi from Melbourne Australia too all who may be reading this god bless your life’s journeys 😁

[@willasyn3136]

If the holy grail was real, it most likely would have been a wooden cup, not a jewl encrusted golden goblet, and so would have most likely already rotted away long ago

[@BeautifulGe23]

It was a lineage not a literal cup baby

[@thehonorshow]

​@@BeautifulGe23pffft😂😂😂

[@BrutalCarnage666]

​@BeautifulGe23 wow that's crazy you know exactly what the holy grail is. When did you meet Jesus in person? Did you break bread with him? How does he like his bread did he want it toasted?

[@untilthewheelsfalloff1751]

@@BeautifulGe23hahaha it’s a movie relax

[@rayvanbulletantmartinez]

Thanks!

[@WatchMojo]

Thank you for being a part of the WatchMojo community.

[@morguegrotesque]

The Tanguska Event is pretty much explained as the type of event in minor scale has occoured in russian, e.g. metoers exploding mid air blowing out windows. And the Pass incident with the people fleeing etc. is explained by flash lavine causing some infra sounds etc. so it is basically solved. The shroud of turin is in consensus considered a fraud/fake, even the catholic church calls it a fake.

[@buzz5969]

We just callit Hypothermia here

[@annaczgli2983]

pls make more long form videos like this ❤

[@kleine.5438]

One ancient mystery that SHOULD NEVER be solved is Greek fire since it would never be able to put out

[@libbit75]

More likely, Atilla the Hun had a ruptured esophageal varicies. The blood came up from his esophagus, through his nose. ☠️☠️

[@mariehulton5184]

There is British documentary which analyses the Voynich Manuscript and which proposes to solve the mystery, identifying an Italian architect as the author, tracing some of the featured articles in it and that it was written in code. The documentary was done by Dan Snow ,

[@yugioht42]

Amelia Earhart was finally found. It’s believed that a skeleton in a Philippine museum is her. The skeleton originally found on the first rescue mission was recovered but completely mishandled as it was the impression was it was a man of roughly 6 ft (2 meters) in height, but now we know it’s her because of her male features that could be misidentified. Her copilot’s journal says that she died as she was hunting turtles for anything drinkable as they were in really bad situation. The DNA isn’t back yet but it could finally give answers that we want.

[@johnd.obrien6838]

Source?

[@yugioht42]

@@johnd.obrien6838 expedition unknown. Josh gates stumbled upon her remains in a small museum. DNA testing started. And the articles are around.

[@sb6678]

6 foot is not 2 metres. 2 metres is far bigger.

[@buzz5969]

No she wasnt or it would be headline news worldwide and easily searchable for confirmation.

[@yugioht42]

Expedition unknown. Josh gates found her.

[@donaldroberts65]

I have theory for the reason of the structures such as Stone Hinge and Gobekli Tepi. They were as Landing platforms for the Hugh mother ships of the Annunki space craft. I believe the mother ships were constructed without landing gear as these craft were built in orbit of Niberu. And their home plant of Niberu gravity was only less then that of Earth. If they were to land a mother ship on earth the bottom of the craft would be damaged beyond repair and therefore the integrity of the craft would e able to travel in the vacuum of outer space. These stone structures with their even platforms being even of height and spread out to support the craft. The craft were used as housing for the ships occupants while engaged in labors on earth. Take notice the stone reliefs of the annual had braces on their legs from ankle to knee and knee to hip. As well their arms have braces from wrist to elbow and elbow to shoulder to support their massive weight of their giant bodies. I believe their Bones could not handle our gravity and Iggi strong husky bones could handle the extra weight. Their shuttle craft could not support the weight of the massive amounts of gold without causing damage to thecraft. Their had on earth no industry to strengthen the craft. So the large ships were needed in that way to remove to space the Hugh amounts of gold needed for the survival of their home home world. I imagine the ships had no ability of sustained hover, and the bottom half was shaped like a bowl and under the weight would crush the integrity of the ships airtight structure. This is my thought and theory and I'm sticking to it. If you find to be a viable answer for the mystery of stone hinge and gobekli tepi, then please pass this on and repost to other interesting sites of the same nature. My name is Donald "Doc" Roberts

[@mikebrillhart5483]

Some things are better left alone not to mention the waste of money and resources wasted trying to find answers that are irrelevant anyway

[@brock3332]

How do we know they weren't slaughtered before the governor left Roanoke?

[@novavortex7763]

Sounds like a comedy crabs don't eat people?

[@neilmooney5053]

Funny you never hear about New Garage that is 500 hundred years older than the pyramids but you always hear about stone henge that is a replica of the original one. They took stone henge apart in 1959 and put it back together with poles and bolts and nuts. And New Grange is built well better than Stone Henge. It has a roof and in the winter solar the sun shines through a little opening that lights up the whole place. We have other moments that are much older. We have the earliest known drowning of the moon.

[@constipatedinsincity4424]

Amelia Earhart is 80 feet away from her male companion Fred Noonan on the island 🏝

[@jonesclash792]

Anybody notice at 13:04 there’s a dude with a hat that says “pervert”…..weird flex.

[@jacquidawn1]

Nice catch. That is strange.

[@buzz5969]

WEIRD indeed!!!

[@mariovillarreal8647]

Hello, you were blessed 21 years!❤

[@rickwiley9653]

there is a pretty good series out there about debunking ancient archaeologist for some down to earth explanations.

[@corvus1374]

The person who benefited the most from the deaths of the Princes in the Tower was Henry VII. Richard had no need to kill them since they had already been put aside, but Henry couldn't claim the throne so long as they were alive, not to mention that he was married to their sister.

[@ShawtyDuwop]

💯

[@sharonmccarton2817]

Must have been Australian Aliens in the WOW mystery who just sent "G'day' as they flew past earth

[@WJFK480]

For the Dyatlov Pass incident, if they tore out of the tent from the inside, they weren't afraid enough of some predator or something lurking outside to stay hidden nor did they say there was evidence that something got into their tent. They were unable to take the time to put on coats or couldn't get to them so they must have had to be fast for whatever reason, so I'd go with the avalanche theory at least for the initial reason they left the tent. The Egyptians used slaves to build the pyramids, it's known that slavery was a common practice, particularly in those countries. Also, why shouldn't they have had the intelligence to build them a certain way? I love how people think that ancient people could not have been intelligent, as if we're so much smarter now than they were. I'd guess that people have been getting less intelligent, not just because we have so many modern devices and whatnot to do things for us, but because we've become so adept at political correctness, we can't even acknowledge the Egyptians made their slaves (who were probably even smarter than the Egyptians) do the heavy lifting.

[@dickiebanks]

there is no evidence that slaves built the pyramids

[@buzz5969]

We just callit Hypotermia…

[@presidentialluke9169]

Atlantis was already discovered. When you do your research on the Richat Structure you’ll realize it was Atlantis indeed

[@anonomouslychangingoutlook5103]

So was the eye of the Sahara, the lost continent off the side of Europe, the circle Islands that are near Australia under water all have been "Atlantis" I really think at this point in time if we really did find it we wouldn't know it was because of all the lies and opinions turned factual we really just don't even know.... That's sad to me though my biggest question is why? Why doesn't the government want us to know the truth? Why the Vatican holds every answer to every question anyone has just about and refuses to share it with us is just almost sickening... Just because they think we have to live and go about life a certain way and live how they think we should and think they are better than us when in reality that information was left here for all of us to access and share and they have destroyed truths and books and monuments and rewrote and tainted the words actually meant and left to help us to fit their narrative so they can hold all power and knowledge to keep us ignorant and lost.... It really is sickening and we need to fix it

[@anonomouslychangingoutlook5103]

Sorry it sounded like I was trying to argue or be a butthead at first I didn't mean to come off that way lol

[@joshherron2921]

Best CANADIAN channel :) , but HOLY commercials guys !

[@LuciferMorningstar-zu1ud]

We might never know the true nature behind these mysteries.

[@dreamguardian8320]

Should've added the Giant's Causeway, the Holy Grail, and the Ark (From Raiders of the Lost Ark) to this list.

[@unknown5150variable]

You're right this channel has become very con spirit or ial and subject to fantasy.

[@susannpatton2893]

Why couldn't the Antikythera mechanism be a relic from Atlantis? They were so much more advanced.

[@sethvelazquez8143]

Why were they more advanced?

[@MrRealm91]

14:21 Ash !?! guys am i seeing things !?!? 🤣

[@rickwiley9653]

So in regard to the shroud. I had seen doc stating that they carbon dated a part of the shroud that had been repaired that WOULD have carbon dated it incorrectly and now the government will not allow them to take any more samples, which is silly as it could at least show it could be closer to the time frame of Jesus. I also saw that they feel the only way the image could have been transferred like that was if a bright flash of light had occurred. You know like the light of the world :) any who just an FYI

[@l-wolverine2211]

What is inside Area 51?! Are their Aliens amongst us?! Are there other life forms out there?! What are they not telling us about ETs?! These are questions I’m not sure myself or the rest of the world would be ready for, yet

[@buzz5969]

I worked with a bunch of ETs in The NAVY. In a roundabout way, they made it possible we could PHONE HOME.⚓️ 🦑 🫡✌🏻🍻

[@leeduncan6595]

The holy grail, shroud of turin. Just fairy tales. Put it this way then, if Jesus rose from the dead 3 days after dying on the cross makes him a zombie. Christianity is zombie worship.

[@geoffchurchill5492]

the shroud of turi is not a mystery, its a hoax, Atlantis isn't a mystery, its literature read as history, its like discovery Harry Potter and looking for evidence of Hogwarts

[@JerryNorris-g4i]

Like most so-called experts assume a lot based on a little X's a has been a spurt is a squirt under pressure can you say scoffer

[@josephlebard2061]

I'd like to hear of the man in the Iron mask !!!!

[@bethbartlett5692]

Pyramids get such an underrated "story" written by "Mainstream Academics" using their "19th Century Theory based Paradigm and Linear Timeline", as their foundation of fact.

[@88_TROUBLE_88]

Although these lists are sometimes entertaining, your brand has suffered huge blows to your reputation for reporting non-factual and inaccurate content and several examples exist within this very upload which perfectly define the reasons why this is the case. There are so many egregiously false declarations in this content which run the gamut from factually incorrect statements to blatantly deceptive lies.. Its one thing to err as that has been said to be the distinction which makes us human - But you take this practice to a whole new level, to the point where its become straight up _academic_ for Pete's sake!

[@TheMmex]

In terms of mary celeste: did anyone ever ask about insurance?

[@JohnDoe-zw8vx]

The Richat Structure in Mauritania has been the most convincing location for Atlantis. KZbin it!

[@ChristelVinot]

the pyramids isn't a mystery. someone already proved how it's possible.

[@jackiechan7216]

How is it possible?

[@ChristelVinot]

@@jackiechan7216 why not just google it? I just did, here: "the Egyptians moved massive stone blocks to the heights along large ramps, greased by water or wet clay, using a system of sledges, ropes, rollers, and levers"

[@bethbartlett5692]

Please, update you resources. EX: DNA studies that define Modern Human as being a result of Intervention rather than merely linear evolution.

[@PJR29787]

9:12 wrong... its old Turkish. Alot of the book has been translated. Its about plants...

[@hectorramirez1808]

How would the Mary Celeste send a distress call in the 1800's ???

[@Thatisridiculous]

Seems like about half these things have been explained.

[@ion98765]

The Egyptian ppl used camels to move those blocks for the pyramids with the aid of ropes and slopes.😮

[@jessicademumbrum2386]

I was expecting Amelia Earhart to be on this list.

[@harryballsonya5347]

Half of these have been explained in the last few years

[@7.o.m]

Greek fire has been recreated and is used by militaries around the world

[@jaredquinney204]

Interesting

[@itskirbee]

"Some sources cite the pleg"

[@Zichronot]

Only 1000 thumbs up? 25 million subscribers, 80k have watched. Isn't math illuminating? 😊

[@chrissibersky4617]

I think the Epstein case should be on this list. A woman was convicted for selling something to clients on a list that doesn't exist.

[@buzz5969]

She was selling BITCOIN?

[@susannpatton2893]

Was Atlantis around when the Biblical flood happened? No one has put these together? Or that Antarctica could be it. It is covered by 3 miles of ice. Frozen water is still water, and it's sunken, right?

[@unknown5150variable]

Biblical flood? Are you serious please dont tell me that you actually believe that occurred? Let me ask you this when would this have happened because according to the bible the earth is between 6 - 10k yrs and there were civilizations before, after and during, so when is it you think this happened? There are so many inaccuracies, conflictions and flat out falsehoods contained in the text... I didn't think anyone actually took it literal anymore ir at least I cant believe you would admit to it.

[@HollyHeflen-pm2se]

It's from INSIDE the Earth, not just outside.....

[@petermartin4807]

How do you send out a distress signal out at sea in 1870 ?🤔

[@TeriLynn923]

A large lantern that has a mirror behind the flame to project the light farther. I believe that’s how they did it if I’m remembering correctly.

[@janetmartinez9365]

Thank God for antibiotics

[@abitwolf6506]

You got #1 correct, Black Sabbath was the start of everything that followed. I'm thinking without BS almost none of the following 19 would have never been, because you hear Black Sabbath in their music in some way, shape or forum.

[@americansagainstsocialism8913]

I heard the hammer was found in Texas!

[@dmcrorie777]

We NOW nothing about the ocean we live with every day, but we know there is life on Mars. RIGHT

[@buzz5969]

I know plenty about the ocean I live with. I can tell you the tides, fishes present, where to find the best bugs 🦞 and octopi 🐙, best baits, ,,,,but,,,,, I cant tell you shiiiii about Mars amigo…

[@zaneseligman1313]

For you , society, I will remove a few of these ‘mysteries’ ultimately allowing you to rest a little easier (you can thank me later): Stonehenge is a permanent clock displaying the summer and winter solstices. On these two days, if the masses have been successfully gathered and assembled at this location, the entities that seeded this planet with humans will return and provide technical information that will evolve the species. The ‘Entities’ are themselves a super advanced human species who built the Pyramids and most of the ancient stone structures as a protective retreat because it was the only building material the dinosaurs couldn’t immediately destroy. The Dancing Plague is a made up story. Atlantis never existed. So there’s 4 you can mark off your list.

[@zaneseligman1313]

This is gold- you ain’t gonna find straight up answers like this anywhere else on SM. Roll your eyes, doubt it, dismiss it, or whatever- but remember where you heard it first

[@jamesblake7922]

the Yovich manuscript... really?? its ONE book, that MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL, not mass copied, printed, or rewrote. Just one book. Period. No one can read, no reason with any common plants or anything that can help anyone. For all it matters, lets get a 2 year old to draw up some pictures and scribble all over it, and Wa-La. Same thing. And 20,000 post hosts have mention of it here. I literally could eat a bowl of Alphabits cereal, and crap out words that will make more sense, and possibly, potentially, give better insight. And... possible to attain a world record crap if i beat Randy Marsh 30 Kurics on the European Fecal Standards (as per South Park)

[@SavannahShepherd669]

Mayan calender counted down to the start of The Age Of Aquarius. Astrology 😊

[@jaysong5500]

Who are the Sea People????

[@THEREALBEEZYT]

Biggest mystery of all time is where tf people get the nerve

[@unknown5150variable]

🏆

[@taylorv49017]

Michigan USA here 😂❤😂❤😂

[@michaelsantiago6988]

Wow signal, came from space but originated from the planet 🌍…

[@thelifeoftina941]

hi from malaysia

[@tylergoodman3560]

Area 51 has the cure to many diseases 🎉

[@alybot2.059]

Hercules isn’t a Celtic god the hell?

[@jorgeadairramos7469]

Hello good nights 😮🎉😮🎉😮

[@bethbartlett5692]

The level of ridiculous that "Mainstream Academics" want us to swallow, is concerning ... No, my Logic Intuition, intellect, and education, says NO, I do not buy the weak Theory Based Stories. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian

[@SweetLilWren]

So many of these things have been debunked or solved

[@karanagrawal5007]

Why don’t you have anything from India and asian countries except for Indus valley we have a lot of mysteries

[@AngelaSchoenthal-nk1lt]

The vikings discovered Anerica

[@lenawitkowski1073]

Ex I heard the voynich manuscript was decoded

[@leejones3061]

Just sour because he was not wanted because of his unreasonable demand

[@ZomBeeNature]

Oh brother 🙄

[@robertjdm3988]

Repeated the same info OVER & OVER & OVER! Can’t you EDIT?

[@judywidener3039]

Uh- machine picchu....

[@sb6678]

‘Van go’????? Really?

[@moodyrick8503]

*Ancient Aliens ?* Are you serious ? They don't deserve anything more than a passing mention, _for laughs._ Watch Mojo fringe garbage.

[@davidfrederic7570]

Christian Mythology? The Christian religion is the only religion that is disrespected world wide 🤦🏾‍♂️ 😊

[@TheSouthernDemocratparty]

Poe was a well known coke head.

[@RM-kc6qk]

I've wondered for years how fast the English founding fathers of America lost their accent. I've been told that it was because of the mixing of people from all over the world but that doesn't work because everyone that spoke English were English and the people who spoke French were French you didn't have people from other countries that spoke English with a different accent. So in early 1800 did by the writings of the new federal government did we still sound English but soon that accent was gone

[@aaronhepler8070]

There's a reason all the religious shit is unsolved...

[@alysonraydelarosa7157]

👍🏿

[@melanielandsman122]

You only have to read the Bible to know where we came from .

[@robertopettyo]

Bullshit. I thought this might be interesting but what we get is bullshit