These Are The Wrong Tires For Towing A Fifth Wheel!!! || Don't Buy These For HD's!

[@pat9125]

Anyone that comes across this video should know that it is as simple as using the rear GAWR(Gross axle weight rating) and dividing by 2. Your tire load rating needs to be at or above that number or you will be compromising the load capacity of your rig.

[@bspinnfade]

I appreciate you taking the time to put this out there I never would have known this I have a 05 F350 lariat DRW(older but runs great) and mine are 118S in comparison yikes. I pulled our fifth wheel as we just purchased both 7 months ago. Looks like I'll be replacing all 6 tires immediately with something a bit higher grade. Thank you for this you may have just saved someones tires, money, or yet even their lives.

[@N4EJM]

It’s amazing how many numbers you should be looking at when towing. When we bought our Prime Time Tracer 3200 BHT all I really looked at was towing capacity on my 2011 F-150 SCrew EcoBoost. Thanks for the video and keep up the great content.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks John 👍🏾

[@stevetubo5531]

Get the Falken wildpeak A/T3W in load range F 3638 pound load rating 35x12.50R20

[@Hallnadventure]

It’s what I’m running on my 2023 F350. Full time Four Wheel Camper in 0:30 bed of truck and 6000 pound trailer. Snow, rain and dry, the the 35x12.5 Falkins perform great.

[@bsbrum]

A good discussion on tires, gave me a lot more to think about. Thanks. I also really appreciate your discussions and videos comparing the different trucks (Ram, Ford). I recently picked up a 2021 F350 blacked-out Lariat beast that looks a lot like that sexy Tremor. Man it is a great looking truck, and absolutely built to tow. Keep up the great content. I just noticed that that Tremor has the full sized air dam like mine, not the thin Tremor air dam. Hmmm. Weird.

[@spooby4538]

None of those numbers matter unless you have the tire mounted on the correct width rim. Smashing that 12.50 on your factory skinny rim kills load capacity and tire wear. Its like trying to do a bench press with your hands too close together...or too far apart... People watching this....run a 295/65/20...they have a higher load index than 35x12.50

[@JB_WhoWork]

Great point, the ford wheel was 8.5” wide which is nice and should give you just enough to run this tire. My RAM wheel is 8” wide so running a 12.5 wide wheel would not be recommended 👍🏾

[@ALMX5DP]

As long as it's mounted to a rim width that is within manufacturer specs, it keeps any rating and load capacity. The 35x12.5 BFG has an official range from 8.5" - 11" wide wheels, the 295/65 is 8-10". So if the F-350 here has 8.5" wide wheels from the factory, those 35's will have the proper rating as designed.

[@spooby4538]

The f250 stock wheels are 8"

[@spooby4538]

350 as well

[@j.l.salayao8055]

I think all the oem ford wheels are only 8" wide for 20" wheels and 18" wheels, not 8.5". Double check to be safe on the best wheel/tire combo.

[@johnbenson4744]

I've a truck camper. Part of switching to a 18" rim from stock steel 17 was higher tire load numbers and available selection

[@JB_WhoWork]

Good point!

[@j.l.salayao8055]

True, but not for all tire brands. I was at Firestone complete auto care couple days ago and many tires on display. I saw tires mounted on a 18" wheels with much more loading capacity compared to another tire mounted on a 17" wheels. These tires are from different brand; one is toyo and the other is firestone or nitto. Also, all terrain type tires will usually have more pay load capacity than a mud terrain tires.

[@shawnhagar5611]

Thank you for the info JB I just bought Firestone Destination X/T 275/65/20 with a load 126R 3748 LBS for $334.00 per tire they look awesome on my truck

[@JB_WhoWork]

That’s awesome 👍🏾

[@kmonto1971]

I got 45k miles out of a set and had about 8k left on them before the change marks. Damn good tire! Going back to them on the new truck.

[@gs-pd5ox]

Man thinking about growing up in the trades where nobody gave this kind of information a second though is wild. Mid 90's nissan hard body with 4 guys and 1800 lbs in the back and a 100 mile commute for 4 weeks straight. Never one blowout, lol. It's crazy I see more big rig tire issues than a tile guy in his 1500 with 2300 lb pallet of tile going across town. Vehicles nowadays are way over-engineered.

[@stanlojewski6761]

Good job, JB. Excellent information that definitely helps people who are towing.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks Stan 👍🏾

[@martinmdl6879]

No substitute for truck stop scales with three separate numbers, front axle, rear axle, and trailer.

[@thatoffroadfamily]

Super helpful!! i'm choosing new tires and have a f350 v8 7.3L and i'm upgrading from 285's!!!! and we do a lot of traveling so this video was KEY!! What tire woudl you recommend right now

[@DirtyWhiteWagon]

2018 PW here with 37’s and only slight rub at full lock. Rams can run 37’s easy. If you get proper offers rim then you won’t rub.

[@mike1567]

Great info! What yr your F350? Did you have to recalibrate your speedometer? And does it affect your transmission shifting amd/or diesel braking?

[@steventurner83]

So what load range would you have to go with to meet the 6432? Is that per tire? Or do you just divide the 6432 by 2 and get 3216 and that would be covered under a load range E? Load range F would be 3,800 to 4000 I believe.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Well some load range F tires can have less load capacity but I always try to buy a tire with a load index of 126 or higher or 80 psi. Load range F tires are a 12 ply, each tire has its maximum rating so just multiply the rear tires by 2 on the rear axle to make sure they exceed the rear GAWR 👍🏾

[@gs-pd5ox]

Load index is the more important number. I don't remember the brand, but I had a set of D load 8 ply tires that at 65 psi had 3100 lbs of capacity. I'm actually in the market for another HD. I will be towing big but not heavy. I hate the ride of 10 and 12 ply 80 psi tires empty. Sure you can air up and down but mpg's take a hit in the name of comfort. And who wants to constantly do that? If I can find those 8 ply tires again I will be set. I will really only need 2400 lbs of payload at most 3-5 times a month. It's no half ton ride but noticeably better than E and F tires.

[@topnotchrocker2618]

JB you are the "MAN"

[@Gramskee]

Also rim size matters as well that's why 450 and ups have 19"s, also a 37x12.50x17 that's not load range e and has greater load capacity over a 35 x12.50x70 that is load range e 10 ply.

[@williamkiser5611]

Check out the numbers for 295/70/18, load E, index 129, per tire over 4000 lbs

[@blakebiggs5140]

Man I’ve had bfs before but I didn’t care for them now I run nothing but Toyo mts they wear great especially for a mud tire. And not overly noisy for what they are. My next truck I plan to go with Toyo mts in a 35/12.5/20 with the load range F-12 ply

[@metakmoto]

Cool video bro. Good information to take in.

[@getnautical9579]

Dont forget too if you upgrade your wheels too that they are rated properly for towing heavy

[@JB_WhoWork]

Great point!

[@21psd]

I found this out about the BFG AT a few years ago on my Super Duty. I went to Discount Tire to replace my existing BFG AT's (load range E) with a new set, and the manager advised me that these tires did not even meet the axle load ratings for my truck. I had no idea. I ended up getting the Nitto Ridge Grappler instead. Very happy with these tires! Great information, thanks JB!

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks for sharing, I asked a couple of people at a campground and they didn’t know about this which is why I decided to do this video 👍🏾👍🏾

[@TheMrbearhunter1]

I have ko2's on my cummins but they are the "DT" supposedly for HD applications only and are not snow rated because of the rubber compound. But, they've recently discontinued the "DT" ko2's and only have the standard E rated. Now idk if they are truly HD rated for these trucks or not but accordingly that's what the DT was for.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks for sharing, the load range E is a 10 ply tire but as long as your weight capacity per tire exceeds the rear axle ratings, you’re fine 👍🏾

[@troyanderson8879]

So the tires that came with the truck from the factory weren't adequate for the load the truck was rated to handle?

[@21psd]

@@troyanderson8879 in my case, the truck was an '08 and didn't come with BFG's from the factory. I put them on after the OEM tires wore out, and due to my own ignorance, assumed any load range E light truck tire would work. The tires served me well throughout their life and it wasn't until I returned to Discount years later that this came to my attention. It's something to pay close attention to when choosing tires.

[@SmoreRV]

Last time I weighed, my F350 rear axle was carrying 6,820 lbs with 3 kids, wife, and dog in the cab. I think our pin weights are pretty close.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Holy smokes! I can’t remember what mine is but I think I’m close to yours as well…

[@todspencer4537]

Ford has always had the wheel well clearance in their design and the axles to handle a tire that size and Mopar for the most part

[@marcuspine9436]

Eyy JB, What's your opinion on rims for towing? Got a 23' f350 ordered and would like to change out the tires/rims first

[@Weworkin2012]

I love the off road tires and the aggresive tread but you sacrifice nice smooth highway ride which im looking for since i commute back n forth to work,,,, i currently have cooper discover at3 s and they look good but i can feel the slight vibrations and noise,,, currently looking at michelin duratrax ltx m/s

[@JB_WhoWork]

If you can find a truck with Nitto Terra Grappler, they ride better than some HWY tires with low noise. My ridge Grapplers are quiet compared to the Good Year Wrangler Tires 👍🏾

[@Weworkin2012]

@@JB_WhoWork thanks ill check out some reviews on them! :)

[@SULLIEDASP]

Mine is 20" tire's but it's a 1500 maybe can get better shocks or something and turbo but likely better to go to a 2500 but not sure I can afford one now

[@aroundthegroundlandscaping7107]

I have this same tire on my 2500 ram crew cab with off the road package and I have no rub on my truck

[@JB_WhoWork]

Really??? Everyone I spoke to at shops said 35X12.5 will rub on stock tires! Thanks for letting me know!

[@aroundthegroundlandscaping7107]

@@JB_WhoWork I have been running them for almost 2 years with no issue. I keep checking but nothing going on

[@Tommypollock]

I know mine slightly rubbed at full lock with 20 inch stock wheels with 35x12.50x20. Maybe the smaller wheels have a slightly different offset or sidewall profile. I’ve heard of guys running 18’s and not rubbing.

[@JB_WhoWork]

My 295/65/20 rubbed the swaybars before I leveled and even still sometimes it slightly scrubs

[@aroundthegroundlandscaping7107]

@@JB_WhoWork I'm wondering since I have the off road package if that might have a slight difference between heights with the trucks?

[@markgrimm3564]

are these noisy on the highway though

[@nbankxworld8614]

In the process now of looking for tires for my 250. Debating on going with 35x12.50 but I don’t want to loose MPG. 🤔

[@JB_WhoWork]

The wider/aggressive you go, the more MPG you will lose. Keep in mind the weight you add but typically you only lose 1-3 MPG 👍🏾

[@jimcollins8097]

"only" 1-3 mpg loss? Put that as percent of current gas milage and it is significant.

[@truetexan7755]

Very informative, thank you 😊

[@JB_WhoWork]

👍🏾👍🏾

[@tcr2237]

Great vid. Is that a Tremor Sticker on a non-tremor truck? I have a tremor and couldn’t remove those stickers fast enough! Well… it took a few months as I’m just not a fan of the suspension issues the Tremors have.

[@matttheratt]

If you bought new tires for the truck, we already know you bought the truck, no need to play around anymore. 😀

[@R_00N]

I was thinking the same

[@JB_WhoWork]

I didn’t buy tires for the truck, they were already on there 👍🏾

[@matttheratt]

@@JB_WhoWork at the 7 minute mark you talk about how much you paid for the tires. Either way, I still love your videos 😀

[@JB_WhoWork]

Those tires were already on the Ford, I was talking about the Nitto’s I bought for the RAM 👍🏾

[@troyanderson8879]

I have nearly the same truck as you. I haven't looked at the tires that came with the truck... I'm assuming that they are rated properly... IF that is true, why didn't you replace your tires with exactly what the truck came with? Wider tire? Different tread? OR was the stock tire inadequate?

[@JB_WhoWork]

I borrowed this truck from a friend

[@ThePackDad]

Def don't need giant tires for towing. I'm using Michelin Defender LTX M/S on my 350 for my TT (not a 5vr, I know), with 18" wheels. I would prefer the look of a more rugged tire like I used to have, but these tires are incredible in the snow and are just as good towing.

[@JB_WhoWork]

I prefer the aggressive tires for some of the campgrounds we go to, some times the gravel tears up the tires

[@chadgau2808]

@@JB_WhoWork what am I missing? Looking at the Michelin Defender LTX M/S, 275/65/20 which is 126 rated, but max load LB is 1701. Doesn’t seem right for 126. I’m shopping for tires now for my F150, finding this video was timely, the info was fantastic. Appreciate you!

[@chadgau2808]

KG thing, like BFG’s website?

[@JB_WhoWork]

It’s probably in Kilograms, I noticed that on the BFGoodrich website 👍🏾

[@jordanbailey9654]

I've got 275 70r 18 BF KOs and the rating is 3670lbs on my '22 2500 hemi.

[@JB_WhoWork]

That’s more than enough 👍🏾👍🏾

[@DS-TRUCKS]

Very nice tire

[@j.l.salayao8055]

These tires might be a Halloween give away from JB!

[@matthewanderson9912]

Good video and good information on weight ratings. Odd that such a big tire with a load range E has such low capacities. Fifth wheels and goosenecks definitely will push the rear axle ratings of a truck though. In your example with the Ram weights that would have exceeded a 2500 Ram’s rear axle rating and got within about 100 pounds of a Chevy 2500.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Wow, great point on the 3/4 ton. RAM did lower the axle rating on the Cummins equipped trucks and kept the axle rating higher on the HEMI equipped. GM does have a great RGAWR on their 3/4 ton and ram lowered there’s back in 2019 for diesel equipped trucks and kept it higher for gas equipped ones 👀… Thanks 👍🏾👍🏾

[@matthewanderson9912]

@@JB_WhoWork that’s odd that they did that. My cousin had a 2018 Ram diesel and it had a 6500 rear axle rating so I was surprised to see the 2020 with 6050 I think. That’s a pretty substantial hit. Im sure a bumper pull would be ok but a bumper pull with some stuff in the bed might even get close.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Well it goes to show you that they limit the diesel to avoid people towing big trailers. When I see someone pulling a big toy hauler with a RAM 2500, I know they are exceeding their payload and RGAWR.

[@tallandhandsome1073]

I have a similar truck. You should have bought the nitto not bf Goodrich

[@darrylm3627]

Good Stuff, Great Tips😃👍🏿 2016 F250 XLT 6.2L 4d4w stock tires

[@JB_WhoWork]

Thanks 👍🏾

[@panthermartin7784]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 you know how many seat warmers that have no idea what gear ratio their diff is or if it has an elocker or what oil is to be used in cold weather vs hot? Lmfao they just buy mud tires that will never leave the city limits. Your probably waking up alot of mouth breathers with some great info in this vid, good stuff.

[@JB_WhoWork]

Lol, yea it’s pretty interesting the stuff I hear when talking to people at campgrounds. I will admit, this stuff is complicating, thanks 👍🏾

[@willrector9716]

I run Falken wild peak mud terrain and pull 19k all the time and I have currently 42k on them and they are at 3/4 done... so I can expect at least 50k with a mud tire....... I have 15k on my jeep with the same tires you prefer and they are almost half gone..... so I'm not sure if your video is up to par..... maybe you should test more before you make a video?

[@JB_WhoWork]

I don’t think you understand my video

[@Yeayeajjj]

You sold your ram?

[@JB_WhoWork]

No I only borrowed this truck for a few days

[@jamesvolpe2186]

Those BFG tires are absolutely horrible

[@veteranveteran9915]

Says the truck doesn't have a leveling kit and then few seconds later in the video shows the tremor sticker on the back fender which means basically the truck has a leveling kit 🤣

[@darnellkohler7620]

So what are you going to go with? That's the real question!

[@j.l.salayao8055]

Holoween give away from JB!

[@sp192x]

So you have to know what you are buying? No way! Your responsible for what you buy

[@gwenbrown4518]

I won’t buy those tires either👍😫

[@JB_WhoWork]

Especially if you’re towing a fifth wheel with 2500+ lbs of pin weight!

[@notme5909]

Cool....

[@JB_WhoWork]

👍🏾👍🏾

[@josephrichter8410]

Just send it

[@stuartmeier240]

The BFGs have been terrible tires for 20 yrs. There are many superior AT tires to be had for less money in some cases. BFGs are noisy, wear like shit, and throw stones like crazy, and don't ride well either. When Michelin purchased BFG, all development under the BFG label stopped. Those tires haven't changed in decades except probably getting produced with less quality.

[@JB_WhoWork]

The ones on the Ford rode well and had low road noise. I did notice they were a little torn up in areas but not sure how they were used from the original owner 👍🏾

[@ALMX5DP]

Interesting since I see Michelin bought out BFG in 1990. Hard to think that development stopped at that time for the brand. They may not be the premier tire, but they're still a solid choice that is relatively modern in design and technology.

[@stuartmeier240]

@@ALMX5DP in Agriculture Michelin was up and coming, when they got a foot hold enough to offset the BFG sales they eliminated the product to allow more sales under the Michelin label and also draw a premium. I do think that in the 90s and into the 2000s, BFG was a leader and had as good of products as there was. It would seem odd for Michelin not to keep up on the BFG name, especially given the US market for off road tires, but I think it is a drop in the bucket against the rest of the spectrum that Michelin oversees. The BFGs are just not what they once were, much like Craftsman, Maytag, Bobcat, and Optima, they have all fallen victim to Wall Street, and like all public stocks, they only serve the exchange, not the customer.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@stuartmeier240 again not sure what that is supposed to mean, given that Michelin bought out BFG in '89 or '90. But the KO2 is still a pretty good tire in it's own right, and the KM3 is also a newer MT that has good reviews as well. BFG is still making solid and well designed tires is my argument and Michelin does not seem to be trying to encroach on that segment with their own such tires, so development for any offroad type truck tire is probably mostly given to BFG since it has that reputation in North America.

[@stuartmeier240]

@@ALMX5DP just saying that it is a secondary brand. They will never give it top technology and it shows.

[@Tacorice]

Trash tires

[@JB_WhoWork]

They seem to ride well, I do like my Nitto RG’s more though 👍🏾

[@jameslance3994]

All I know is that's some ugly tires and wheels...

[@pmm1515]

You are 1000% helpful.. dick!

[@СергейДугин-о2х]

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