These Classic Rock Groupies Made Headlines In Their Heyday

Sex, drugs, and rock ’n’ roll. These groupies found fame in the sheets, but the life of a rock star hanger-on wasn’t exactly glamorous.
#ClassicRock #Groupies #Famous
Sable Starr | 0:00
Lori Mattix | 1:26
Bebe Buell | 2:38
Pamela Des Barres | 4:03
Cynthia 'Plaster Caster' Albritton | 5:16
Roxana Shirazi | 6:30
Morgana Welch | 7:48
Connie Hamzy | 9:00
Chris O'Dell | 10:14
Uschi Obermaier | 11:34
Cherry Vanilla | 12:36
Cathy Smith | 13:56
Nancy Spungen | 15:11
Voiceover By: Jacent Jackson
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[@ross798]

You realize that we are talking about child molestation, right? And because the children got the benefits of being with rich men and partying with them it's O.K.?

[@keving8006]

Jim Jeffries has a bit about that. He talks about everyone from Jerry Lee Lewis and Elvis up to Michael Jackson and at the end asks "How rich and talented do you have to be to be able to f*ck a kid with no consequences?"

[@virginiawilliams7282]

When are you & other people commenting the same that it was a different time. Life was different. You can plainly see that these women are not saying they were raped. They went to listen to the music & get close to the people they admired. Life was much more free & way less judgemental. A lot of these young ladies were well cared for, some such as Pamela De Barr went on to write books, some were supported to make their own music. Don't make something horrid when it wasn't. These girls went to the clubs & hung out backstage to meet these performers. They knew what they were doing & were in no way innocent in what could possibly happen. As I said..the time was different. Life was an experience & everyone wanted to experience & and explore.

[@government_costumes-ui5lx]

​@@virginiawilliams7282 meh, not really it's why parents didn't really like rock n rool and or what they deemed to be suggestive movements. They knew it would be a Segway to sexual behavior. So no it wasn't really a different time in terms of the parents didn't want their kids fucking anyone... It's just simply the laws wasn't either strictly enforced or you had to go though humiliation to testify to prove your case.

[@beverlyjohnston6936]

All of them are sick and need God

[@BurnLikeAFlame]

@@beverlyjohnston6936 Nobody, absolutely nobody, needs to be brainwashed into believing delusions of imaginary beings. Ever.

[@mitchellbaker9434]

I saw Sable Starr in CBGB a couple of times. She barely looked her age, which was probably 14 or 15 at the time.

[@constipatedinsincity4424]

Cynthia has a sculpture of mine. She just recently passed. Very sweet woman!

[@jenniferwilcox9759]

Hmmmm! "....just being their friend...." Yeah, right....friend.

[@sickoftheshit]

Nobody's buying the friend bs. Those guys were NOT impressed, and they weren't looking for friendship! They kept the girls around for 1 thing and once bored with them, they were unceramoniously dumped. 99% of them. I know bc I was there in a different capacity, seeing it all.

[@sarahwelty9223]

It would be very interesting to hear what the band members have to say about the groupies and hear their sides of the story!

[@ImportantDee]

I grew up in LR Arkansas in the 80s. Sweet Connie was a sub at our school a few times when was in high school. She would let us take turns listening to a Walkman if we were quite. It was strange because we knew about groupies and knew she was one.

[@Elhastezy888]

*WOW!* Ain't that a kick!

[@roseakarosiehweinstein3216]

Oh my God

[@Vibeagain]

@@roseakarosiehweinstein3216 lol

[@derekcollins1972]

Awsome. She was so famous.

[@fruitydickens6291]

This would have been 100% better without the horrific background music/noise.

[@anonyvatedalexander5902]

Agree!! No need for this distracting music Leave it out

[@sandrakenney567]

Jimmy page was obsessed with lori maddix at the age of 14 and he was 28 years old.Bebe Buell had a child from lead singer steven tyler who Todd Rundglel took care of her because stephen was to high to take care of himself.

[@maguffintop2596]

Dear lord, read the story of his 16 year old AA sponsor. One of the most horrible stories I've ever heard. He should be in prison.

[@sarahwelty9223]

Yeah I agree it's sick 😂

[@Fifty8day]

What a creep

[@Allystargirl]

This is why I don’t believe anyone who apologizes for these deplorable men with victim blaming statements like “oh it was different time!” Or “they knew what they were doing, they WANTED it”.. when it was really just a case of the rich and powerful men in the world getting away with anything they damn well pleased. Celebrities, especially rock celebrities, were a different ballpark back then. They absolutely could have had their pick of WOMEN throwing themselves at them, but they CHOSE to sleep with/ abuse VERY underage girls. You can in no way refer to girls between the ages of 12-14 as “women” those aren’t women they are CHILDREN. The actor Elliot page said it best playing a child role in hard candy “it’s just so EASY to blame a kid, isn’t it? just because a girl is old enough to act like a woman, DOESNT mean she’s old enough to do what a woman does.” Couldn’t have said it better myself.

[@wendylynn7605]

I went to so many concerts when I was a teen. I don't know why it never occurred to me to try to get backstage. I guess I assumed it would be impossible so I didn't try.

[@PotrzebieConolly]

It was a lot easier in the 60s and 70s.

[@misterhappy8682]

You were probably butt ugly. They get the pick of the litter

[@OU812cheeto]

I was a groupie in the 70's and all you had to do was stay in the theater after the concert and then walk up to the stage and ask the roadies, "Hey! Where's the band staying?" And they would tell you which hotel. So then you'd go to the hotel and hang around in the lobby until you saw somebody relevant (a band member, manager, etc.) and then you just charm them until they invite you either out, wherever they were going, or up to the rooms. It was pretty easy back then! And it was a blast!

[@sburris65]

I have zero regrets about being an 80s metal groupie. It's a fun lifestyle, and I had my fun. But I never made the mistake of thinking I would have a serious relationship with any of these guys. They would call when they were in town, and I spent a week or two on the road with some of them. You also quickly realize these guys are definitely not relationship material.

[@DrT0705]

Were you a minor at the time? It's super-disturbing how young some of these groupies started... ...but I'm cool with adult women having good times with bands.

[@baxter_canada_dry8182]

@@DrT0705 common theme? People with power (in their case money and fame) tend to go for underage, manipulative girls and boys. Glad to see people are disgusted with this behaviour because it means we are changing as a society!!!

[@sburris65]

@T D ..19 when I met my first musician.

[@dw8840]

No serious relationships, just a few one night stands

[@DrT0705]

@Baxter_canada_dry yes, that makes sense. People with power are used to getting their own way at all times, which of course is not always possible when interacting with confident, assertive adults. So to continue the power trip, younger or vulnerable people are 1st choice for some of the scum with power. It is gross, it's exploitation and, yes you're right that it's a good sign for society that more people recognize that.

[@anonyvatedalexander5902]

I’ve hung out with a few bands back stage and had dinners after their shows but never slept w the band…. We genuinely had friendships and great convo. My girlfriend and I. They actually respected us. But we are both super down to earth and were fun back then. I love that we didn’t have to sleep with them to have their attention!!!

[@deepalkessa8938]

Wow sounds really cool ur stories must amazing to picture back now I'm glad things were all safe. Much love.

[@anonyvatedalexander5902]

@@deepalkessa8938 aw that’s so sweet. Yes great memories from back in the day. In fact, my old girlfriend who I hadn’t spoken to in over a decade was listening to some music from the bands we loved… a lot of blues… and reached out to me just a week ago because she was feeling so nostalgic bc she and I had a really fun and unique chemistry together! So now we have become fast close friends again. We even posted a link on FB bc one of the band members passed recently and one of the members responded after all these years…“Michelle and Tonya!!” Haha! That was so nice and exciting to hear from him too after a decade! Much love and many blessings to you too. Thanks for reaching out too! ☺️

[@deepalkessa8938]

@@anonyvatedalexander5902 that's really cool tnx so much appreciated that.🙏😊

[@anonyvatedalexander5902]

@@deepalkessa8938 you’re a sweetheart.

[@BalakeHart-nh4xh]

Where at?

[@ezsmith3765]

4:40 Narrator was like “Waylon Jennings???” What he apparently doesn’t get is that Waylon was more of a “Rock Star” from the late 60s to early 80s than most any 3 of a lot of the rock stars. He had a $10k per week Cocaine habit. He’d have 4-5 different girls in 4-5 different hotel rooms and he’d run from room to room throughout each night , keeping them all busy. I’d have got them all in the same room but 🤷🏼 But yea Waylon was a legit MFer

[@obscure_alternatives]

It’s so sad how many of these women were underage,and how many of these men were predators.

[@awoken8infinite]

it's funny as I see it the other way around. the women knew what they were doing, and got what they wanted. It could have landed the men in a world of trouble. these fellas were not educated on this sort of thing back then, so they were easily manipulated by these Feme fetales. Now I'm not saying there wasn't any abuse, there was bound to be, but the women in this video were professionals in this field. They sought out the most famous men they could, and slept with them to get free drugs, and to have a taste of fame. Same thing happens today, only with Basketball players and rappers. They're still out here using their s3xuaolity as a currency. I mean they call it the "world oldest profession" right?

[@Fifty8day]

Exactly what I thought. Why would you want to hang with a 15 year olds when you’re in twenties.. ??

[@OU812cheeto]

I was a groupie--but I was 18. it was the most fun I've ever had in my life! I didn't hunt the big game like these women but I had my share! haha

[@deepalkessa8938]

Wow cool, hope alls well with u dear life just seemed so wholesome back then even thou u had to keep safe.

[@BurnLikeAFlame]

OU812? I81B4U.

[@99wmac]

Cooool. Which bands?

[@OU812cheeto]

@@99wmac This was the 70's, so Bad Company, the Kinks, Jethro Tull, Johnny Thunders, The Cars and the Elvis Costello band (just the drummer, not the whole band)! lol Those were the main ones, even though Johnny Thunders could be considered minor. But yeah, those were the days--and it was really easy. Now, I'm sure it's next to impossible to get that close to musicians today.

[@nicole-uo9cd]

Good on you sister, more power to ya!!!! 🤩😘🤠😎

[@matsfrommusic]

Almost famous

[@SquirrelyPop19]

I’m really surprised that Alycen Rowse isn’t in this! She was with John Entwistle (from the Who) the night he passed away. She has a KZbin channel & her groupie stories are fascinating!

[@anonyvatedalexander5902]

Thanks I’m checking thatout but I don’t know her!

[@SquirrelyPop19]

@@anonyvatedalexander5902 I never heard of her either until I came across her channel almost a year ago.

[@paigefolger9511]

I saw John play once, (individually) he fronted for Joe Walsh, fantastic guitarist!

[@jjharmon8075]

I'm really disturb by how under age these girls were. 🤨🤨😮😮

[@chromesthesia]

Some were 11 and 12. Iggy Pop slept with an 11 year old child

[@johnjohnmcclane1818]

Why is the word 'slut' censored?

[@PixieMeat_444]

KZbin

[@maguffintop2596]

That's hysterical - I've heard the c... word used but slut get's the axe...@@PixieMeat_444

[@samanthashine4506]

Spent many nights at Riot House...usually fubarred and asleep at the foot of someone's bed!

[@adamantium112768]

What you learn from this video is if your in a band stay away from groupies

[@buzzardbeatniks]

Why, the guys seemed to have no complaints?

[@nicole-uo9cd]

@@buzzardbeatniks STD's

[@chuckschillingvideos]

@@buzzardbeatniks Because most of them are absolute scumbags, as are most of the rock stars they had sex with.

[@shanemacleod4011]

Sounds more like a bunch of famous peoples child plaything

[@deborahchesser7375]

It does but then again, you have to question their motivations as well 😂 they wanted fame at any cost ✌️🇺🇸

[@fifi23o5]

Good one: ''I took a birth control pill out and took it, which is feminism''. Feminism at it's finest.

[@Spice99857]

No, that's being responsible in public.

[@fifi23o5]

@@Spice99857 True, that's being responsible. But that doesn't define as being a feminist, especially in that case. A complete reversal of causality.

[@maguffintop2596]

Well said!

[@sickoftheshit]

🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, doing something you ought to be doing anyway does not make it feminism just bc you made a show of it. Obviously, you both have some confusion as to what feminism actually is!

[@fifi23o5]

@@sickoftheshit Exactly!

[@bobbibaker4685]

This is not a new thing. There have always been camp followers. Their reasons were their own.

[@froggy8030]

These women are seen as feminists, they aren't, they shouldn't be held up as role models, they were little girls being used by grown men on ego trips! In modern context many of the Rock Stars we idolise would be in jail.

[@danwebb4418]

Gary Glitter was in jail, but the Judge let him out to continue his crime spree..

[@chromesthesia]

Um yeah. Most of these were CHILDREN. They were underage! I don't care what grown adults do but leave teenagers alone please

[@maguffintop2596]

Thank you!!! Agree wholeheartedly! There is nothing cool, fun, or liberating about sex at 12 or 14 with strangers. They were anti-feminists and their partners are criminals. They probably lied about their age, but they were called 'baby groupies' for a reason.

[@Kaywaprince]

Baby groupies😮 it is scary these men aren't in prison

[@jayannakelley9051]

lol! What’s so ‘scary’ about it? It was their choice, they had a good time & doesn’t affect your life at all! 🤷‍♀️

[@lajama6367]

Those baby groupies were 11-14 year old girls being sexually assaulted and groomed by grown men in their 20s+. The average man who did what would be arrested/shamed as a statuary rapist but according to you it’s just “fun” and “living life”. You’re scary and a rape apologist if you think an 11 year old girl having sexual relations with a grown man is consensual of fun. Those men kept it secret because they knew if was illegal back then too.

[@Kaywaprince]

@@jayannakelley9051 it was the choice of 14 years to be raped they cannot give concent oh is it different in bush country. Those past the age of concent who cares

[@obscure_alternatives]

@@jayannakelley9051 They’re pedophiles!!

[@chromesthesia]

​@@jayannakelley9051 they were teenagers

[@kenbratsch359]

ya have what i would "Beautiful " kenny

[@jodragon8118]

how many of these men would be counted as paedophiles today? Children cannot consent and these girls were children.

[@anna67887]

many of them are teenage girls and the band members themselves had married adult women, so no it would not be considered pedophilia, as this word only applies to someone with a sexual preference for children under 11

[@beverlyledbetter4906]

Those girls wanted those guys. I'm not excusing their behavior, but how many guys do you know would turn them down?? They wouldn't!🤫

[@anna67887]

@@beverlyledbetter4906 Okay, when I wrote that, it was a response to the comment classifying them as children rather than minors, since that legal definition on whose is a minor had changed, and that they were teenagers, which is usually a sub-category of children, but also had included 18 and 19 year olds, plus pedophilia, as what law enforcement defines it as, pedophilia indicates that the person has to be under the age of 11; in fact, if we're technical about this, this should be ephebophilia, or even just CSA or run of the mill sexual assault of minors. This isn't a defense, I was just not happy about the comments being like that. I was browsing after all.

[@Fifty8day]

@@beverlyledbetter4906I think you are wrong.

[@ricksmith7881]

I bet their kids are proud

[@PotrzebieConolly]

I'm sorry you didn't include the finest of the groupies - Catherine James.

[@marksorensen2893]

Lots of Info ,,,,

[@emmashuffle6457]

Kirsten Dunst looks EXACTLY like the girl in this thumbnail.

[@leftyzappa]

“Assisted with the casting process”…? ROFLMAO SHE WAS THE FLUFFER. If yer gonna tell the story, tell the story.

[@annmharbison1190]

And then of course there were those of us teenage UNATTRACTIVE girls who had no chance of being groupies. Still, the music was unbelievable.

[@baxter_canada_dry8182]

All im getting out of this is most rockstars are groomers and sleep with underage women 😂 assjming these ladies haven’t lied about their age but considering one of them ask the girls mother for permission….glad society has changed in that aspect.

[@jayannakelley9051]

Has it really? You’re deluding your uptight self.. 🙄

[@awoken8infinite]

What you have to remember is that these young women were the ones doing the seducing. I agree that the age thing is a bit messed up, but these young women went out with the sole desire to bed famous musicians and try and make a career out of it. While 2 wrongs do not make a right, you can't fully blame the artists. These Girls were incredibly good looking and putting it all out there to be taken. My issue stands with society that seems to think that people like Keith Richards get a pass, because of how famous they are. If a regular guy did the same thing, they'd be lynched. That guy was still bedding 15 year olds in his 70's.

[@awoken8infinite]

Society also has not changed, this stuff still goes on. On the surface level, people get more offended, but that is not a true representation of what actually goes on. Things are way worse now than they were back then. You have entire sects set up to this kind of debauchery, and keeping it hidden. Just look at Epstein's Island, prime example of what goes on behind closed doors. Also most of the terminally offended, stuff is actually just twitter bots. It's being exposed right now. Whenever you seen an extreme opinion, leaning one way or the other (in the left/right paradigm) it's like 90+% a bot. It's all part of the new age of bread/circus/divide&conquer. Distractions that also play us off against each other, it's what everything is about now.

[@violao206]

This is such sloppy reporting. Bebe Buell also had a very famous affair with Elvis Costello which ended his marriage with his childhood sweetheart Mary Burgoyne. It was a shameful episode that he regrets to this very day. The only good news is that Elvis has a decent relationship with his son Matthew McManus. And then while dating Costello, to which she claims her unending love for his to this very day, she fucked Billy Idol which very promptly ended their affair. Elvis refuses to have any contact with her in spite of her stalking him for many years. Her book has many delusional accounts of how she was his muse.

[@maguffintop2596]

Agree. This woman is clinically unwell. Her poor daughter wants nothing to do with either of her biological parents. Sounds like Rundgren was the most decent.

[@jnc07res]

I once met a gal in Miramar, Fl... I was in her home bc of my job (insurance adjuster) and she sorta told me about her life's story.... used to live in LA, was a groupie, banged a lot of lead singers, and for minute I really understood the turn-on.... she was just turned on, over anything. Here I was doing a week-long stint in S.FL, trying to figure out if I actually had I shot at this woman. Spoiler, I really was too busy with my job.

[@maguffintop2596]

Be thankful - and hope you wore protection.

[@awoken8infinite]

Who's the Lady that used to make plaster casts of everyone's Junk, is She still around? EDIT: yeah, that's her "Cynthia" awesome, she was always a laugh. I heard she couldn't get Hendrix to go back down, and it was stuck in the cast for hours :D

[@stevenwatsham5973]

Its funny how they don't wear well...

[@Spice99857]

10:00 😁

[@MsRandom303]

Teenage girls weren't more mature then, just more naive.

[@awoken8infinite]

I'd say it was the rock stars that were more naïve TBH. These Girls came along knowing fine well what they were doing, they wanted some of that fame, and to live the life, free drugs and drink and to be seen. same thing happens now, only it's with athletes and rappers instead, and they usually land them with a baby, then take them for half of their sh17 in civil court. always the mans fault though, right. Women have always used their looks and s3xuality to get ahead. I mean just look at todays paradigm with OF, etc. Women also mature a hell of a lot faster than men do, because their biological clock starts ticking before ours. It was always standard for older men to marry younger women, because they have more child bearing years. these athletes and rappers need to go to training now, to avoid the groupies ruining their lives. They know fine well what they are doing, it's not like they're naïve, children. When I left school in the 90's, the Girls my age were going to nightclubs and sleeping with dudes every weekend. It's always been this way.

[@MikeCee7]

Where is Sweet, Sweet, Connie?

[@bobbibaker4685]

Linda Eastman was a talented photographer, but in the beginning it was as a groupie that she gained access to her subjects.

[@robinburn4974]

No one forced them if they enjoyed themselves, so what

[@mikeodonnell6799]

today, weeds bees legals

[@lindamcgillin2263]

I think people are more misogynistic now in judging these women… they chose their path and enjoyed so much hanging out and having sex with exciting and talented musicians who were more exciting than ordinary men …

[@ozmunky]

Walking petri dishes -- WTF?

[@sickoftheshit]

NKR?

[@reddog5031]

@@sickoftheshit Petri dish is how science labs culture bacteria and diagnose what disease you might have, @0zmundy is metaphorically saying that promiscuous people carry a lot of sexual disease pathogens and are similar to a science lab petri dish.

[@LS-kg6my]

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[@lauraanne5175]

where are the men groupies? Like the dudes who slept with Uschi, are truly HER groupies, not the other way around.

[@mattadders9819]

Is there a Hall of Fame for Groupies?

[@JamesW225]

Howa

[@lorddiosliving]

Who are these broads??

[@jeng1395]

Nobodies with no self respect.

[@kimberlygrissom2315]

"FRIEND " is that what you call it :/

[@sickoftheshit]

😅👍

[@MomMom4Cubs]

What about the nutjob that got psycho over Jim Morrison? I'm given to understand she made some type of headlines when she claimed to be pregnant by Morrison, and aborted it (it turned out to probably not be Morrison's baby, and that was the reason behind the abortion). Granted, she wasn't a child at the time, iirc. She got a small role in The Doors movie as a witch-priestess, wrote a book, and has great difficulty keeping a dead lady's name out of her mouth.

[@Gen-yh1jz]

I read her book. She was not kind to Pam’s memory but she did get a ring back that she gave Jim and said it was decent of Pam to send it to her. I never heard the band say for sure that she was lying.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

​​​@Fred Carpenter ☑️ Such an accurate and detailed description of the current state of government. Politicians and high level bureaucrats of the leftist persuasion have seen to it that the social services industry keeps millions of so called "minorities" in a perpetual state of government dependent poverty(which helps keep those politicians in power)! Of course it's helpful that they have 95% of the "news" media to help spread their socially destructive propaganda.... Apparently, convincing entire races of people that they are _doomed_ to failure, then keeping them forever desperate, poor and completely dependent, is very enriching and empowering(for corrupt oligarchs who are already rich and empowered, but who seek more of both)! 👺👿👹

[@virginiawilliams7282]

Nutjob? Possibly She was a practicing Wiccan witch & supposedly Jim was enamored with her. From what I've read, this is true. She wasn't a groupie, though. She was a journalist doing a story on Jom & the doors. That puts her in a different class. Was she disrespectful to Pam? Yes. Did the witch & Jim marry? That's questionable & definitely not legally if said ceremony occurred. I don't think she's given up yet on trying to claim what she thinks should be hers. Jim had a fling with her. His heart was always with Pam & that in the long run may have killed him. But staying here in the US would've killed him also. Just an opinion from someone who has read a lot of Morrison/Doors books, did some research & watched some crazy documentaries.

[@HighlanderNorth1]

@@virginiawilliams7282 🚫 I hope you didn't base your opinions on what you may have read in the 1980 book, "No One Here Gets Out Alive"(I'll call it NOHGOA from here onward). I personally read that book in 1983 or 84, when I was about 15-16 years old. I believed it, because I was young, naive, and I hadn't yet learned how dishonest people in the media can be. Besides, there was no internet and no way to prove or disprove it's claims. Before reading it, I _really_ wanted to like Jim Morrison as a person. But after reading it, I couldn't stand the guy! That's because the authors made him out to be a self obsessed narcissist/sociopath. They described his relationship with Pam Courson in a way that made him out to be a perpetual abuser who didn't really love or respect her, but that she was infatuated with him. They said he basically screwed everything that walked. They said that she had an affair or two, but her cheating was just her way of getting back at him for his abuses. But that in the meantime, they said she spent her life as a lovelorn waif, desperately waiting for Jim to finally accept and love her. They portrayed The Doors as being the "Jim Morrison band", and that the other 3 band members were expendable. They insinuated that was how Jim viewed the other 3 members of the band. They made him out to be a control freak who opposed all authority, and who insisted on always being boss. They described Jim Morrison as becoming so whacked out on hallucinogens in the last year or 2 of his life, that he basically lost track of reality, and it was nearly impossible to have a normal, sane conversation with him as a result. Then he died...... 🤔 But many years later, the internet sprang into existence, and I was able to listen to Jim in his own words in interviews, and I read _other_ information, including from the people who knew him best. Turns out that 90+% of the incredibly negative claims made against him in NOHGOA were either grossly exaggerated, or completely fabricated! He was definitely NOT the insensitive, purely selfish, disrespectful a-hole they made him out to be. There are LONG interviews of Jim, where he genuinely seems like an intelligent, centered, thoughtful, respectful guy. His biggest problem was alcoholism, and like many drinkers, he could be an annoying and occasionally vulgar drunk. Unfortunately, he kept drinking, and when drunk, it caused problems in his band and in his social life.

[@virginiawilliams7282]

@HighlanderNorth1 I'm not really sure how you perceived my comment as negative. In 1982, I graduated high school & had been listening to the doors since I was 12. I have seen multiple interviews with Jim & the other band members. There are also interviews with the Pamela & the crazy witch chick. Jim was an alcoholic for the most part but had moments he didn't drink to excess. He did do hallucinogenics, the whole band did in the beginning. That's basically where the name of the band came from, Doors of Perception. Jim was actually in film school in California. If I remember correctly, he met Ray while he (Jim) was living close to the beach. the other band members came next. I've read every book there is to read, I also own some very hard to find photographs of Jim along with 2 of his poetry books. You should read those if you're truly interested in how Jim's mind worked. He was a highly intelligent individual, but with that creative genius also comes a bit of wildness. Jim was tired of the US scene & decided to go to Paris for a break with Pam. He did have plans to continue with the band. But that didn't happen. His death is a whole other range of stories. The following are theories on his death... 1. He simply had a heart attack & passed. 2. Pam had drugs (heroin) brought to the apartment & Jim mistakenly did a line or so thinking it was cocaine. It's said Jim never did heroin. It wasn't his thing. 3. He went out to a local bar & scored the dope, od'd in the bathroom & was then taken back to the apartment & placed in the tub. 4. Jim didn't die. The death was all a ruse, so no one would look for him. He just wanted to write poetry & make films. As I hope you can tell by my answer to your statement, I am a Morrison & Doors fan & have been for a very long time. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I had gotten information from that 1 book. You should probably search interviews for "the witch" & listen to what she has to say. She is definitely one-sided & somewhat self-serving in her version of things.

[@MummyBrown]

Pamela, girl, I’m with you. But Mick Jagger…ugh. Bianca, sure, but Mick is so gnarly 🤢

[@trashbasket11]

Alternate title - young girls that were groomed and sex trafficked by famous bands while the public looked the other way

[@jayannakelley9051]

Uhh no. Did you not listen to the video? These girls made their choice & enjoyed it. Maybe not your lifestyle so don’t do it! Stop being judgmental.. sheesh 🙄

[@obscure_alternatives]

@@jayannakelley9051 underage children cannot consent!!!

[@jayannakelley9051]

@@obscure_alternatives - No one said CHILDREN!! These girls around 15-16 years old. Go into the music/movies industry & it still goes on today. That’s why I raised my kids to have respect for themselves. Plus LISTENING when they came to me to talk. Doesn’t sound like any of these girls came from a good caring home life. Worry about the children in your orbit today & stop worrying about 40 years ago. They don’t sound like they have any regrets! Sheesh…

[@chromesthesia]

​@@jayannakelley9051 15 and 16 isn't an adult. They were molested! And all of those men were revolting. Fine, have wild sex but do it with ADULTS

[@elsapoelsapo1821]

​@@jayannakelley9051CLEARY they said 14 year olds. Doesn't matter it was adults with children. SICK! If they wasn't famous with money they be in jail.

[@knockoutguitarist087]

So how much do you wanna bet that none of these men will ever face any charges….

[@leftyzappa]

Why should they? We’re you their age in that time? COMPLETELY different time.

[@knockoutguitarist087]

Doesn’t matter… if you excuse such behavior you are just as complicit… there is no justification for a 28-30 something year old man being with a 14 year old child… regardless of the time

[@corybarnes2341]

@@knockoutguitarist087 These guys were barely out of high school at the time themselves. They were 20-21 not 28 and the girls were 15 not 14. We would never accept it now, but it was accepted back then. Let's take a look at the "respectable" men who had relationships with younger people back then without an eye being batted first. Let's also remember that Prince Andrew was 3 times the age of many of these rock stars when he is alleged to have had inappropriate relations with a minor who was being sex trafficked. He paid her off and is walking around in privilege.

[@Vibeagain]

​@@knockoutguitarist087jealousy looks Unbecoming, even on you

[@leftyzappa]

@@knockoutguitarist087 I would love to send you back to 1801. Just to see.

[@leticiabromley6013]

I know Bebe Buell had strong ambitions to be a respected singer and she's still performing but she's deluded to think she's an awesome singer..uh, no. Painful.

[@ickyray3481]

Funk

[@jamesddarby84]

As a 38 year old with a 15 year old son, I'm disgusted by these men. But when I was in my early adult years, I dated a bit younger than I should have in retrospect. At the time, it felt fine, and I didn't entirely see an issue. It was the "time." These women were enjoying their lives, and the men are who I'm conflicted about.

[@timmotel5804]

Double Standard...

[@annasadler4904]

Same to you for now I'ma eat lol nugggest

[@boataxe4605]

I am the 69th comment,let’s leave it at that.

[@jchow5966]

It was a different time people. Ypu cannot judge history using todays standards. Rock n roll guys were a whole different animal then.

[@Thundralight]

Why were these people not prosecuted for pedophilia

[@jonnybarnard8578]

The little oral annie club made me hate so many of my idols from the 70s and 80s, thank god the 90s alternative scene did away with most of the pedophilia in the industry, since most of them, you know, respected women!

[@maguffintop2596]

lmao.

[@sickoftheshit]

I hate to break it to you but pedophelia and music were still very much in bed together in the 90's, and still yet today.

[@jonnybarnard8578]

@@sickoftheshit yea I know I really just mean the alternative scene which became mainstream for a while. I dont know why I said the industry

[@awoken8infinite]

did away with it? LoL, you mean hid it better? there are likely 100's of Kids being Polanski'd as I type this.

[@Abel_Texas_Republic]

Lied to your whole life that your jimmy pages love child .😥

[@LadySilence]

Mamn living their best life at such a young age. This is a privilege wild white girl lifestyle thing I couldnt and cant relate to. Craazy the 70s were 50 years ago now.

[@TwistedRiffster]

I think it’s ridiculous and self-righteous the way it ends about if anyone you know, needs help… Cut me a break. You couldn’t care less about anyone but yourself.

[@jeng1395]

Lori Mattix was/is a liar.

[@cocktailsrocktaleswalycenrowse]

I was a teen in the 80s when I rook my fake ID and went to the hotel bar looking for rock stars. I chose to seduce them and made in my adventure. I've knownthe most legendary rockers and became part of rock history They never knew my real age until my book came out in 2014. 30 years later and those boys are the only people i would still trust with my life. They have never done me wrong. I would not change a thing. Rock is a family on the road and I'm safe, content and comfortable.

[@cocktailsrocktaleswalycenrowse]

And this list doesn't have one real 80s groupie. We took backstage to another level and experience. We are parodied often but never given the credit we deserve. And I'm not talking pathetic LA scene. The groupies in Salt Lake City were the groupie capital of the world in the 80s. Rockers would take two, three days off and make memories and great friendships. 80s groupies owned our backstage life and dominated the rock stars we bedded...they chased after us. Rock stars are a groupie's groupie. I dated rockers for 5, 8, 13 years and had a couple songs with me...like being mentioned in The Who song, Old Red Wine. Those watered down 70s groupies pretend they did. 80s ladies ruled the backstage world and their lives. Give us some love and credit where it is due.

[@timmotel5804]

@@cocktailsrocktaleswalycenrowse I'm an active drummer since 1964. 🎶♥

[@jeng1395]

Whatever. Gross.

[@cocktailsrocktaleswalycenrowse]

@@jeng1395 I know you are...🤣🤣🤣

[@Schellnino1994]

People are way to conservative when it comes to this topic nowadays.

[@PassengersMusic777]

Good. That’s why this country has fallen off the deep end because we looked the other way for too long

[@Schellnino1994]

@@PassengersMusic777 idk i disagree. As Bill Hicks said "when did sex become a bad thing?"

[@dasani.like.the.water.]

@@Schellnino1994Sex becomes a bad thing when adults do it with minors.

[@awoken8infinite]

@@Schellnino1994 when you start going after the 14 year old, quivering rabbits nostril :'D

[@awoken8infinite]

@@Schellnino1994 "I'll wear you like a feedbag"

[@daskritterhaus5491]

well dang. thats where l missed out in high school. learn to r&r and watch the hotties line up for ummm, 'air time'. he heh

[@April-pw5ub]

Sorry, but LoriMaddox and Connie Hamzy, were not much to look at.

[@sickoftheshit]

We all know men will have at even the homliest of females. They really don't have a type when it comes to that. If it's female and it's young, and it's available- that's all the requirements. It can be ugly AF, no matter. 😬🤮

[@misstekhead]

Rock stars? What a joke. Pass.

[@broeheemed32]

Some of these same trollops are now suing their conquests for "sexual harassment". 50 years later.

[@awoken8infinite]

Yeah man, These fellas had no education on feme fetales back then. even now when people know the score, they still fall for it. How many Basketball players and rappers have went broke due to this kind of thing? I bet there's a lot of them.

[@solcasared]

Sadly groupies are a thing of the past

[@obscure_alternatives]

I’m glad they are!

[@bystanderbutch3509]

Yeah, but what if it rains? How are you gonna jump eight cars on your motorcycle? Think before you comment!

[@Vibeagain]

Bunch of wrinkled spinsters here in the comments commenting on things they don't understand. Time to go feed the cat, ladies

[@virginiawilliams7282]

Most of the women commenting are not spinster. Don't judge what you can not & will not ever understand.

[@nicole-uo9cd]

I don't own a cat. I don't like them either.

[@sickoftheshit]

🤣🤣🤣 which means you are most likely nothing more than a cheeky basement dweller trolling random comment sections. Sad.

[@Vibeagain]

@sickoftheshit high-rise, in SLC! What is it you're sick of, by the way?

[@isobelle.London]

The men need to be in prison this is R .pe

[@brian-ld4vd]

Statute of limitations has expired on any crime, even if the guys admitted it there's nothing legally that can be done after 7 years.

[@Gen-yh1jz]

I think they can sue in civil court. Steven Tyler is getting sued by a woman who has a chilling story about him and her when she was 16.

[@ross798]

Somebody should have told Epstein that. He would have walked right out of jail.

[@Gen-yh1jz]

@@ross798🤣🤣🤣 So true. Also homicide has no statute of limitations. I think laws were changed after a scandal involving a Church based in Rome.

[@daskritterhaus5491]

might wanna ask mssrs weinstein and cosby about what things are covered by said statute.

[@gadams8160]

How much can you tube suck? Hopefully not too much more than they already do with the endless, mandatory ads. Gross.

[@davidmccrory5604]

It's hilarious how they try and justify being mattress backs

[@corybarnes2341]

Whatever. Normal people have sex.

[@laurawestenra]

Fun? Hot men? Adventure?

[@corinnetodd4807]

Why do they need excuses

[@davidmccrory5604]

@@corybarnes2341 about as dumb as an answer can get

[@davidmccrory5604]

@@laurawestenra hot men adventure you have a degree in disillusion