I finally finished my first pc earlier today thanks to you after many months collecting parts and watching and rewatching videos I finally started it up and it works! Thank you it was a long time coming foe me and I finally did it
@sinsiliuxs120 Жыл бұрын
Congrats! Hope you get good mileage out of it.
@mirror1766 Жыл бұрын
Now it is time to get into jayz2cents overclocking videos; he is personally enthusiastic on that topic. Keep in mind that as temperatures and voltages go up, hardware life goes down. As manufacturers are not building silicon to only survive a year or two, you then ask if you want a computer that lasts 10 years to begin with or want it some small fraction faster in performance.
@mitcHELLOworld Жыл бұрын
Love to see these posts. I just made a post on my FB as I saw the anniversary of my first PC build come up... It was literally the beginning of everything for me. I built it cuz I wanted to try out PC gaming. but what it did, was led me down a rabbit hole that ended up seeing me go back to university for CS and begin working at a company called 45Drives - 6 years later and I have just been promoted to their Chief Architect. Life is wild, and it all started from that first gaming PC build.
@bishopbling-bling21 күн бұрын
It was pretty fun huh?
@GMDGeek Жыл бұрын
As M2 NVMe drives evolve we NEED better motherboard layouts especially since GPUs are taking up more ane space. We need to ensure ability to properly cool or apply heatsinks. Drivers such as the T700 from Crucial and others state they will throttle read/write speeds as the temps get higher.
@whyjay9959 Жыл бұрын
Going to EDSFF might help with that. Maybe by replacing some AIC slots with E3 ones.
@dbunik44 Жыл бұрын
yeah something that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, I really don't want to spend a thousand bucks for a motherboard
@Zfast4y0u Жыл бұрын
no we dont. we had sli systems before, even quad sli. all is fine.
@dbunik44 Жыл бұрын
@@Zfast4y0u he's talking about the DESIGN of motherboards, did you see how the graphics card was in the way?,,,and also boards that support both
@thatrealba Жыл бұрын
@@dbunik44yesh, but you can only fit so much into a rectangle of given size, seeing as enthusiasts demand space for cable management, room to see the pretty lights, non-gigantic form factor cases....
@NBWDOUGHBOY Жыл бұрын
They are eventually gonna have to make a case with built in fan mounts directly over the Motherboard. If you push DDR5 to 8000 and beyond cranking that Voltage you need to put a fan on the ram sticks and now the SSDs are gonna require a fan too. Plus a 14 or 15900KS plus a 5090. Man, We really are gonna be using mini nuclear reactors very soon.
@dkimmortal Жыл бұрын
we need updated cases with fan mounts perfect for SSDs and Ram air flow
@pirojfmifhghek566 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, we need some good 3rd party solutions for retrofitting current motherboard heatsinks. Current mobo designs suck because the NVMes are all trapped under the GPU or CPU cooler. Current NVMe coolers and heatsinks are too tall and the included mobo heatsinks are too anemic. There's gotta be a solution to this though. Even if it's just a flattened heatpipe stuck to existing heatsinks with thermal pads, as long as it is shaped to bend around the GPU or extend in a direction where it can get some airflow it's gonna make a huge difference. Overall I don't think cases need more fans or anything. It's just that smaller component placement has been neglected because they weren't this hot before. In the big picture it's only a difference of 5-10 watts.
@ProfitSlim Жыл бұрын
The mesh versions of the Fractal North already ship with a separate fan bracket in the same position as described.
@AnthonyRBlacker Жыл бұрын
realize almost EVERYTHING with PCs and system building has evolved but what about cases? they're pretty much still basically the same since the beginning of home computing. Seriously, since the ATX revolution (yeah I remember the old xt and 286 days, yikes) what's changed other than some exquisite boutique cases? I can't afford 4,000 dollars for a case.. so..
@bongkem2723 Жыл бұрын
or just water cooled everythingggg
@theftking Жыл бұрын
Gonna be honest - I have virtually never noticed a difference between running something off my SATA SSD vs running it off my (G4) NVMEs. I'm sure that there _are_ some benefits for desktop users, but I regularly deal with 1TB+ projects, and outside of very large file transfers (which are "walk away" affairs regardless), I've never noticed a difference in real-world usage performance between SATA and NVME. Even when I'm trying to playback big clunky 1440p image sequences, I'm pretty sure RAM is the bottleneck...
@FuzzMDАй бұрын
Wait until you start playing direct load games. They're coming...
@SoranoGuardias Жыл бұрын
If you have a twin or tri-axial GPU above the M.2 heatplate, having your GPU fans set at a non-0 RPM idle state will help with the cooling greatly. Some airflow is better than no air flow.
@awsome14619 Жыл бұрын
Jay Last Video: "You don't need to upgrade to the latest hardware" Jay The Next Day: "You NEED to upgrade!"
@WyattOShea Жыл бұрын
Would love to see drives improve on the random read/write queue depth 1 results (from everything I've read over the years apparently those are responsible for how snappy the system feels). So assuming I'm not wrong getting those speeds higher would make the whole system feel quicker but we've been stuck around 80mb/s for many years now it would seem as even my nvme 3.0 drives cap out not much under those speeds. I wonder why those haven't been improved like it is to do with limitations or what?.
@1Grainer1 Жыл бұрын
the faster it is, the lesser improvement it will be, so going from HDD to SSD and NVME were biggest jumps, from gen to gen... you mostly will see improvement in moving files, but that also has it limits since windows has slow file access time, that's why linux and mac are way quicker with file access and those kinds of speeds don't matter in gaming, loading might improve by 1% from going gen 3 to gen 4, but literally nothing from gen 4 to gen 5, and gen 5 have heating problems and they slow down to SSD speeds when they do overheat, so you need additional cooler for nvme drive to keep decent speeds
@whyjay9959 Жыл бұрын
Optane is supposed to be better at this than regular SSD's that use flash. A bunch of new kinds of memory are under development to fill that niche again.
@WyattOShea Жыл бұрын
Fair enough and already knew about optane but never really knew the reason why the random read/write performance was always so poor on all drives that weren't either optane or enterprise grade.@@whyjay9959
@cracklingice Жыл бұрын
Yep - if you want low latency and high random performance at low queue depth, you want a P5800X Optane drive. That is the pinnacle of low latency high IOPS. I mean you can get away with a P4800X or 900P/905P but they are first generation so the random performance is lower as well as being PCIE gen 3 limited while the P5800X is gen 4. (yes I am a big Optane fan - Unfortunately, I only have a P1600X 58GB and a couple 16GB 'Optane Memory Module's They are all just NVME drives, even the 16GB 'cache drive'. There are also the Optane DIMMs - but those are server only.
@WyattOShea Жыл бұрын
Haha already knew about those drives too but man are they expensive. Would be nice if some day that tech trickled down to consumer drives so we didn't have to pay insane prices. If I was rich though I'd have an all optane system just because I could 😂@@cracklingice
@ChrisRamseyer Жыл бұрын
That board also ships with an active cooler for the Gen5 x4 slot above the GPU. You can use the passive plate or the active (fan) heatsink. Primary Gen5 SSD slots will be above the first PCIe slot (typically where GPUs sit). This eliminates latency from retimers and gives ample space for larger heatsink designs.
@Chipsaru Жыл бұрын
There seem to be some misunderstanding with how nvme drives operate. Drive controller has its own channels to flash chips, the more parallel chips you have the faster it goes, so usually that means that cheaper versions of the same model with 256-512 capacities are slower because controller can't parallelize your requests, so bigger - better for ssd. Also caching has multiple stages, modern high end nvme are paired with a fast DRAM cache + optionally separate cache on flash storage that can operate in pseudo-SLC mode (imitating 1 bit per cell instead of multiple bits per cell). If you run a prolonged write test it will fill out fast ram buffer and drive speed will fall off to normal TLC/QLC speeds, that are far from impressive.
@matthouse99 Жыл бұрын
I won't claim to know the how or why, but my experience has been that higher capacity SSDs are rated faster not slower. Also, there isn't a SATA 6 spec; it's SATA 3 which has a 6 Gbps rating. I know it's somewhat nitpicky. Tech people know what is meant by "SATA 6". My first ever SSD was an OCZ (rip) SATA 2 (3 Gbps) drive (agility series maybe). I can't remember the capacity, but it might have been as little as 60 GB. I bought it for LOTRO, and it made a huge difference when loading into 21st Hall. It would take 30 seconds plus for all of the other players to fully load when zoning in back when Moria was the latest expansion. The SATA 2 SSD dropped it to a few seconds. I can't remember specifics, it's been over a decade, but I think it was less than 10s after moving my textures to the SSD. I think I may have used symlinks or hardlinks to move the textures. I can't remember the difference between the two. The older I get the better I was.
@mooseonshrooms Жыл бұрын
Skimming through, so forgive any inaccuracies, but a slower but higher capacity drive will still appealto consumers. I am fairly certain that he just mentioned less chips for paralell transfers as a cost saving measure in exchange for higher capacity. @@matthouse99
@mycosys Жыл бұрын
They also dont seek, large reads are faster because of block transfer and sequential commands.
@sirmonkey1985 Жыл бұрын
@@matthouse99 most oem's and manufactures moved away from calling it sata III and started using SATA 6Gbps because it sounded faster when NVME's started picking up in popularity.
@dazryan3463 Жыл бұрын
Having faster drives is great. Having PCIe adapter cards to house 4 NVME drives is great. Not having enough physical space on the motherboard or enough PCIe lanes to supply 4 lanes per drive sux
@GoetheNorris Жыл бұрын
Larger drives usually are faster since they have more chips to write to in parallel. They usually also have more TBW lifespan
@MrBlueBrewer Жыл бұрын
The look in Jay's eyes when he's talking about wanting to replace the drives in his system is priceless.
@greentravels2850 Жыл бұрын
@ 2:43 I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but, right before the random noise with Jay asking what happened, there is some random video issues on one or two frames. Probably nothing, just saw it on first viewing... Good video in general. Glad to see drives always improving, someone out there probably always has a use case for more speed.
@Bassquake76 Жыл бұрын
I noticed that. Maybe something blew, a brownout or an lightning strike nearby?
@konrad7492 Жыл бұрын
Probably just ghosts
@LautaroQ2812 Жыл бұрын
Jay posted a video-rant about how we shouldn't really buy expensive GPUs and we were groomed for it. As someone with a cheap, old pc and run of the mill SSD (WD Green) I tell you, if you can get something slightly better than mine or any nvme drive (mine is sata) you'll be completely ok. You don't really need (unless you actually do need it for your workload) any of these mega fast drives. They will, probably, increase your performance, but is not like "HDD to SSD need".
@LordApophis100 Жыл бұрын
For daily usage, random 4k is king which is pretty much the same for SATA to Gen 5 SSDs. Unless you tend to work with big files there is little difference between even SATA and PCIe Gen 5.
@mycosys Жыл бұрын
And he never even mentions endurance. These things have the same meh endurance as a Samsung 980, the Seagate 530/540 have triple the endurance. Drive endurance per TB can vary by tenfold. System drives get flogged by swap.
@Myyra-games Жыл бұрын
Suddenly the corsair meme M. 2 watercooler start to make sense
@raven4k9987 ай бұрын
if your on a sata ssd and don't care why would you upgrade to a nvme gen 5 drive now?🤔
@Myyra-games7 ай бұрын
@@raven4k998 for gen 5,nothing. But you can see slight boost with gen 3-4 for reasonable prices. Also M2 cards don't need cables etc so they make your system "cleaner", that is if you have the M2 slots for it.
@i9smurfs69 Жыл бұрын
Jay, you should do a video on best way to clone drives. Selfish request because I have some new SSDs but dont know how to transfer my OS to the new drives "easily". Thanks!
@joeyel8256 Жыл бұрын
Has one
@shikaotewarrior5 ай бұрын
ctr a, ctr c, ctr v, done.
@shtevenkistler3866 Жыл бұрын
Those water cooled ssd blocks are looking better every day. It's time to start incorporating them into custom loop builds.
@Wakeboarder11 Жыл бұрын
Agree. I cooled my primary Gen 4 SSD after the first one failed a few weeks in (likely a fluke - it was replaced free of cost) with a Corsair block and I can't get it above 50C even if I try. It was pretty easy to add in my loop, put it in between the GPU and CPU.
@SwolePapi15 Жыл бұрын
"A metal copper plate" Jay really has a way with words
@Surms41 Жыл бұрын
Instead of a plastic, plastic plate of course.
@michaelotto2744 Жыл бұрын
Keep killing it Jay! I have this exact drive on the primary PCIE GEN 5 slot on an ASUS ROG x670e-e mobo. I absolutely love it, but with native (very beefy) passive heat sync, I get theoretical max speeds (give or take 5 MB a second) and the drive never tops 45/50 degrees. I speculate this to the passive heat sync on the m2.1 slot, which is super beefy and has a metal pipe directly exposed to the airflow. TL;DR, you may want to keep testing. Those temps are pretty high.
@eliptikon Жыл бұрын
There are water coolers for NVme and Corsair is even selling drives with water blocks. Might be reasonable in the future to use it.
@ericepperson8409 Жыл бұрын
Recently saw something that ASUS was playing with putting a NVME slot on the back of a GPU. To take advantage of PCIe lanes available and the cooling from the card itself. Seems like a really interesting idea.
@Knaeckebrotsaege Жыл бұрын
That's just asus throwing out ideas that will lock people into their ecosystem, just like the power-cable-less GPUs that require you to buy both an asus GPU and Mobo. And given their recent (what am i saying.. year-long) track record of junk products and RMA nightmares I'd rather not have either of those
@cbz21 Жыл бұрын
@Knaeckebrotsaege What motherboard manufacturers do you recommend. I've had msi,asus, and now a gigabyte b550 board. I've really didn't see too many issues at all besides msi's beta bios for b350.
@THEpicND Жыл бұрын
@@cbz21no manufacture, only products. I’d recommend checking out some reviews like hardware unboxed, that will tell you the best mobos to pick up for a given series
@Dan-Simms Жыл бұрын
M.2 storage is so cheap now too, when I built my current gaming rig 1tb was $300(for gen 3), now it's $30 for a gen 4. Nobody should be gaming on spinning rust anymore.
@mephInc Жыл бұрын
@@Dan-Simms Nvme for gaming, ssd for scratch, and still waiting for capacity/price to get better for large scale storage as replacing a 14tb, two 12tb and two 10tb hdds with ssd or nvme would be very pricey.
@konrad7492 Жыл бұрын
That weird noise at 2:43 and the frames flicking out of phase remind me of a very big transformer switching on
@nunya3163 Жыл бұрын
I am looking forward to the first build, featuring a liquid cooled drive.
@Rainman9779 Жыл бұрын
corsair made SSD waterblocks a few years ago. but they weren't even really necessary then lol
@lyianx Жыл бұрын
Linus did a watercool m.2 ssd in one of his videos. At the time, it was over kill. But with pcie-5 and 6 +, it may become a thing.
@Sarajiel Жыл бұрын
@@lyianx Considering the current MoBo layouts and their overbuilt VRMs, I actually doubt that water-cooled M.2 drives will be very popular. It'll probably turn out the same as in the past: manufacturers shrink the die-size of their controllers and NAND chips which will give us similar thermals to current drives in probably a year or two.
@shuntao3475 Жыл бұрын
M.2 No longer Slow down, when they fill up. That changed 5 years ago. The slow down feature, was needed for the smaller drives with 1st/2nd Gen M.2's.
@mozametweakin Жыл бұрын
Can't wait to see how much the MOBO and SSD combo will be!
@HackoDis Жыл бұрын
Anyone else notice at 2:43 the screen does a weird little flicker and right after jay asks what's that noise.
@SpartanDusk Жыл бұрын
From my experience Jay, the larger the drive, the faster it gets. Im surprised it stayed the same.
@Arhey Жыл бұрын
Yep exactly. Larger drives have more chips --> which can be access parallel. So it makes absolute sense, that larger drives are usually faster.
@dr.zippymcscoots8725 Жыл бұрын
I have a small Noctua fan pointing very close to my NVME Gen 4 drive. always runs pretty cool even under load. Noctua NF-A6x25 PWM, Premium Quiet Fan, 4-Pin (60mm)
@djGLCKR Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough, on the "checking your motherboard's specs" part, on some of the ASRock B550 motherboards I've checked, if not all of their B550 boards, the secondary m.2 drive slot is PCIE 3x2, not 3x4, compared to the other manufacturers that do offer a full 3x4 slot (or couple of slots).
@HecklerUK Жыл бұрын
Not to mention on some boards like some B450 ones... adding an M.2 drive disables 2 of the SATA ports, and adding a 2nd M.2 disabled 2 more SATA ports.
@thelegendaryklobb2879 Жыл бұрын
I use it for my boot drive, plenty enough for the task. ASRock should really stop using that configuration, though.
@christophervanzetta Жыл бұрын
So get a X570 and not the gimped boards?
@jesperdalsgaard5164 Жыл бұрын
Could you test a 4 tb drive on a cpu connected drive slot on the am4 platform wonder if the cache on the drive make sende instead of a gen 4 drive
@damirkvajo Жыл бұрын
Jay, I think you are mistaken about larger SSDs being usually slower. Because larger ones use more chips so they sort of act like two sticks of RAM compared to only one... you can check the specs for samsung 980pro and see that the slowest is 512, than 1TB, than 2TB...and so on...
@eiv-gaming Жыл бұрын
Believe it's a hangover from mechanical drives. Having to physically move the drive arm. That may have been stuck in his head.
@Alvin853 Жыл бұрын
Jay gets facts wrong almost every single video, it's on purpose to get people to comment, which increases engagement and makes youtube push the video to a wider audience. LTT did the same thing until they were called out for it, because once people know about it, it doesn't really work anymore.
@FeuerToifel Жыл бұрын
since theses days you can get 2TB as a single chip, i guess it depends. if you have a 1TB and 2TB ssd both using just a single chip, the 1TB one might be faster. or no difference. but if the 2TB once uses two 1TB chips, then it can get an advantage from that, yeah. or did i mess up something here?
@finisherxs138 Жыл бұрын
Speed increase upto 1/2 TB then it may decrease.
@Digikidthevoiceofreason Жыл бұрын
@@eiv-gamingThat is exactly what happened. The 1TB versions of the T700 are slower than the 2TB.
@xTopCityx Жыл бұрын
Jay has some of the most entertaining videos when playbacking at 0.25 speed. It's a good chuckle every time. Definitely recommend doing it on an up-close shot of Jay's face.
@WhiskyCardinalWes Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure I understand the 'need' for a Gen 5 drive. I will never, ever notice the difference between my Gen 4 drives and a Gen 5. Hell I can't tell the difference between my Gen 3 and 4 other than by firing up a bench marking program. At this point, its like asking a guy who owns a Bugatti Veyron to 'upgrade' to a Chiron.
@wulfdrakken8253 Жыл бұрын
The only reason I upgraded this year from my 2013 Lenovo Y510P was because NVIDIA quit supporting the dual GPU's.
@shikaotewarrior5 ай бұрын
I can think of a lot of reasons. Loading programs or large files. For example: 2GB Photoshop file, starting software like Davinci Resolve. If you work in design you'll be loading large files sometimes, or saving large files, or opening programs here and there, so by the computer being able to move as fast as you can think can increase your thought progresses. Or building a 3D open world game and needing to load scenes to work on them, which I've done this would greatly increase workflow and productivity.
@jacobc5747Ай бұрын
I'll be unboxing my t700 when my 9800x3d arrives. For me, it's photo & video editing mostly and maybe looking forward to more DirectStorage support in games.
@tylerc161 Жыл бұрын
That sound you heard, it seems like it also made the camera mess up a little at @2:42. There's some artifacting at the top of the frame. Weird.
@bruceivy9724 Жыл бұрын
This sort of discussion is exactly what JTC Is the best at. Talk about a particular product, show an example of the product, and discuss the pros and cons along with examination of the technology. I want more of these type of videos.
@yourfavoritetrex Жыл бұрын
2:42 i don't know what that sound was but whatever it was i think it messed with the camera becuase there was a huge line that went all the way across the top of the screen for like half a second
@peterf.3118 Жыл бұрын
Hey y'all! I just put together my very first rig and its sooo good! Besides one thing: coil whine. My XFX rx 6800 has coil whine while under load. I would like some ideas from you guys what would you do. My psu is a brand new EVGA 750 GQ ( C tier rated on PSU cultist tier list) Things that I already tried out: -use the pigtail connector (aka one cable) -plug the cable into different outputs on the psu -use Vsync in game -limit in game fps -Use AMD' Software : pro edition - undervolt setting provided -Use AMD Software : pro edition - manual undervolt - 800mV and 2250 Mhz -use MSI Afterburner to undervolt - 800mV unfortunatelly none of these made major difference
@jurpo6 Жыл бұрын
All 5 of my video cards coil whine. It's normal at this point. Just put your case on the floor to get the noise away from your head and forget about it.
@Xplicit_420 Жыл бұрын
I have a rx 6600 xt, I recommend for amd software use the regular adrenaline with the adrenaline drivers, I accidentally downloaded the pro version to quickly realize its for the " pro" line of gpus, not gaming gpus. then under tunning go to the fan curve set all the sliders for manual adjustment, then slowly play with the curve under a gaming load. Ideally you want the last 2-3 points to ramp up smoothly, I found by adjusting the speed at which the fan ramps to max that it fixes my noisy "coil whine" fans. Its when they jump from super slow to super fast with no balance in the middle the fans spin off axis causing the whine. Also I tried afterburner for a brief second but in my personal exp It was conflicting with adrenaline and causing problems. Adrenaline just works and after a few tweaks I found its actually a pretty user friendly app. After you set your curve save it by clicking export profile at the top. after that with your fan curve is set, Id recommend keeping that a separate profile, you can build a second profile based off that fan curve profile with what ever additional o.c. or undervolt settings you wish to choose then save that profile again, as new. that way if your oc or volt tweaks are bad you have the fan curve profile to fall back on. adrenaline is pretty good at keeping that proflie you had last selected on until you switch it, "which for me I only run a fan curve profile atm" which means you 99% of the time don't have to select the profile when you shutdown, reboot etc, itll just load the last applied profile. Unless after a driver update, then you will have to import your profile but itll still be saved in profiles! Good Luck hope this helps!!
@ApBrown1298 Жыл бұрын
spooky screen flicker at 2:44 followed by the pop in the bacakground
@JerryLoffelbein Жыл бұрын
I don't think someone will feel the need to upgrade their SATA SSDs used as a game drive for quite a while. That might slowly start to change if DirectStorage (or nVidia's version of it) starts to take off and shows significant real world benefits, but the vast majority of games aren't currently bottlenecked by storage speed. Well, maybe some are with SATA speeds in regards to loading times, but not really in gameplay. It seems beneficial for content creators moving massive files around and other specific scientific workloads that are storage-bound that the stagnant random IOPS won't affect, but most consumers, including PC "power users" will just be spending more than necessary for their storage with added heat output. I'm glad the tech exists, and the controllers will hopefully improve over time (more efficiency, less heat, faster speeds, etc.) but I'm quite happy with my Gen 4x4, 3x4 & even SATA drives, and don't feel like they're obsolete landfill or will become as such for quite some time.
@AlfaPro1337 Жыл бұрын
M.2 form factor is quite limiting. I wouldn't mind if we have 2.5 inch SSD using the U.2 or the newer U.3.
@mycosys Жыл бұрын
@@AlfaPro1337 oculink
@fnorgen Жыл бұрын
The only application I've had where M.2 made a very noticeable difference was when I was experimenting with different language models. Loading times over SATA actually got annoying when constantly switching back and forth between loads of different models, some with file sizes exceeding 40GB. On a modern M.2 drive those loaded almost instantly. But even then I prefer to keep my models stored on the old SATA drive since I don't use them very often anyway. For everything else the CPU seems to be a far more meaningful bottleneck for loading times. I certainly couldn't feel a difference after I upgraded my main system drive.
@esunisen3862 Жыл бұрын
@@AlfaPro1337 U.2 and U.3 SSD exist but you need to sell three kidneys to buy one :/
@AlfaPro1337 Жыл бұрын
@@esunisen3862 Nah, 3.92TB U.2 SSD is about $1K. That's pretty reasonable, but still farfetch.
@ghosthorse77 Жыл бұрын
der Bauer has already discussed this on his channel, and done tests on how hot these Gen 5 NVMe drives get. He is staying away from them at the moment until something is done regarding the heat.
@Dhruv-qw7jf Жыл бұрын
This is the same guy who just made a "don't fall for marketing BS that has no real usability improvements" video.
@Ko6pa Жыл бұрын
👍👍🔥
@nicholasbutler2365 Жыл бұрын
These improvements are useable, perhaps not for you but for some of us
@GameCyborgCh Жыл бұрын
0:44 honestly my desktop is on an 840 evo sata ssd (aside from this really odd issue where just listing all the items in a folder is quite slow where even a harddrive would be faster) and feels snappier than my laptop with a gen3 nvme ssd. Unless you move big ass files back and forth all day a sata ssd is fine
@XxViciousxX Жыл бұрын
Just upgraded to a 4 TB version of this drive and it's very fast for big file transfers not a big difference in game load times or anything. But I also got it for its direct storage performance which is bonkers. Just wish more games would start taking advantage of the tech.
@dillonvillon Жыл бұрын
I feel like this would make starfield have seamless transitions.... lol
@XxViciousxX Жыл бұрын
@@dillonvillon I think my longest load screen was 1 second or so in that game.
@BoxFlyHaydn Жыл бұрын
I found the (often criticised) double side fan mount on the side mesh panel of the Fractal North case is really handy for blowing in cool air over the nvme slots. Fractal marketed it for cooling the GPU or CPU, but it definitely works to cool the lower half of the motherboard.
@PXAbstraction Жыл бұрын
The raw insane speed of these drives are cool, but let's be real here: You don't need that kind of speed on an average gaming PC and you'll never see the benefit of it. I have 2 WD SN850x drives in my system that can do ~7,500Mbit/Sec and they are almost never working at 100%. Compared to the SN750s I used to have, the difference is hardly noticeable. Even in a very load heavy AAA title, the difference in load times between these and a drive that's 1/6th as fast is maybe a second or two at most. Don't get me wrong, these things are really cool, but you're paying a lot and dealing with a LOT of heat for performance that almost no one watching this channel has a legit use case for.
@johnathansmith1003 Жыл бұрын
We can quit rating storage at mbps, we've reached that point a while ago. 12.4gbps, TY.
@byCDMC Жыл бұрын
If you're still on SATA SSD, its not time to upgrade....
@gokublack8342 Жыл бұрын
Sata SSDs are still perfectly viable if you have an extra one you know is good and need storage for games it'll do that job perfectly well extremely doubtful you'd notice the difference in loading time on that vs an NVME anyway
@graxxor Жыл бұрын
SATA (SSD) is still totally fine for pretty much anything. What a user will perceive in terms of performance: HDD----------SATA - NVME
@benedict9016 Жыл бұрын
This is an open case setup. In a closed case gen 5 SSDs get hot very fast and throttle immediately unless there's active cooling on them. A simple heatsink won't be sufficient unless you have excellent airflow or you don't stress the SSD at all.
@keyzsawake353 Жыл бұрын
me: still rocking hard drives for windows 😅
@GurpreetSingh-ur2pm Жыл бұрын
you can get 500gb SSD for 20 bucks on sale
@WyattOShea Жыл бұрын
You're really doing yourself a disservice imo by running the os off a hdd. Even the first gen ssd I had back in 2012 made my system feel so much snappier and everything loaded way quicker too let alone the drives we have available today. You really should get a cheap drive from a reputable brand as they're so insanely cheap these days for a small drive anyway :).
@keyzsawake353 Жыл бұрын
@@WyattOShea I’m Joking (but I got friends who still do use hard drives for OS
@WyattOShea Жыл бұрын
Fair enough and also oof. Would suck using a system where the os is on a hdd . Probably wouldn't be that bad though I'm just used to things being quick lol.@@keyzsawake353
@hybrid9mm Жыл бұрын
I still use hard drives but it is a Win XP retro gaming rig so anything new is completely wasted on the OS and potato hardware.
@THE_SAV10UR Жыл бұрын
That board actually comes with an active cooler for m.2s has a built in fan that goes on that slot.
@cyberwaste Жыл бұрын
There are quite a few motherboards that don't have covers on the lower m.2 slots. I don't remember who it was, but they artificially heated up the m.2 drives to see if it impacted performance, which it didn't.
@fanshaw Жыл бұрын
Bifurcation and nvme carrier cards with PCIE switches mean you can stuff an x16 slot with fast storage. That will easily saturate your lanes. Sonnet has a gen4 card with up to 8 nvme slots. You might want to stripe data across drives to reduce wear, add total capacity and add redundancy to your fast storage. As storage goes faster, people are going to want faster networking. 12G/s nvme outpaces your 10G NIC and 25G is the next step up. If you want your NICs to keep pace with your storage, we'll need multiple x16 slots, never mind a fan.
@hbhamilton3 Жыл бұрын
Needed a little edit around 8 mins. It's fun to see how y'all work together though. Keep on truckin' Jay and Phil!
@lalanihipali8675 Жыл бұрын
I have the 2TB version of this drive sitting in its packaging in a box at the foot of my bed with a bunch of other upgrade components for my PC (Intel 13900K, MSI Carbon Wifi MB, 64GB PC7200 Corsair Dominator Platinum RAM, iQue H150i Elite LCD XT cooler, 4TB WD Black 7300 MTS M2). I really need to get around to installing it all! :| Nice to see tho that it's as fast as advertised. Thanks Jay!
@meson183 Жыл бұрын
Jay. The ASRock X670E Taichi MB comes with a special HSF for that Gen 5 SSD slot. It's designed so it isn't supposed to interfere with most GPUs. Might have been worth giving it a whirl, maybe?
@Digikidthevoiceofreason Жыл бұрын
I also suggested that.
@markissboi3583 Жыл бұрын
i watched a video where the thermal pads didnt touch the resistors on 1 end so he bought .5 & 1mm pads and cut lengths to suit He gain 20% more cooling say about 10cel with a heatsink M2 stick worth knowing .
@markissboi3583 Жыл бұрын
And yes data flow increased also as u know more heat slows them down
@lambdafn1776 Жыл бұрын
FOMO is the perfect way to describe this. I have one of these as my boot drive, and if I'm being honest, can't feel the performance uplift at all. But it's nice to know it's potentially there.
@themole70 Жыл бұрын
I would love to see some practical tests with the featured drives. How much practical improvement are we getting in productivity and gaming with these speeds?
@coffeedev643 Жыл бұрын
Did you ever figure out what made the noise at 2:44? Whatever it was seemed to cause static on the video! Super curious now….
@BansheeBunny Жыл бұрын
7:09 Intel CPUs have 20 Gen5 PCIe lanes, 16 for PCIe slots (1 x 16x or 2 x 8x) and 4 left over for one M.2. If you only have one Gen5 M.2 it will always be the one closest to the CPU. If you have more than one Gen5 M.2 slot the one closest to the CPU will use CPU lanes and the others will come from the chipset.
@Chef42 Жыл бұрын
That MB comes with an active heatsink ( with fan) for that drive slot. I know since I have one.
@EgaoKage Жыл бұрын
Just fyi, the stickers on top of the WD_BLACK M.2 drivers that I got were... _just stickers;_ no copper, aluminum or anything like that. If anything, they function as a thermal _insulator._
@Ko6pa Жыл бұрын
That's true, mate✌️
@iAnders1000 Жыл бұрын
Still rocking my 3790k and Asus MB and msi 3060. No NVMe drive just a 8TB HD and a 500gig ssd. And probobly time to uppgrade, just hard to prioritice
@Arnomous Жыл бұрын
The only reason I replaced my 2500k in June was because the motherboard stopped booting with new GPUs in it. I decided to go all in on the drives since I was being forced to save up anyways. Still have a HDD for things that don't need to be on SSDs though.
@rolandcraggs348 Жыл бұрын
You'll have to revisit the water-cooled M.2 drives soon Jay. They're going to need their own rad before too long.
@mamaja_tech_and_gaming Жыл бұрын
For me it wont be a JayzTwoCents video without him saying:"i digress". Gets me everytime!!!
@TotalInfarkt Жыл бұрын
Maybe the odd internal fan in the "HAF 500" will be useful on the gen 5 boards?
@Games_and_Tech Жыл бұрын
And another point to vertically mount your GPU!
@treelibrarian7618 Жыл бұрын
it's unlikely to get more than one top-speed (gen5 in this case) M.2 slot on any desktop motherboard since only the direct PCIe lanes will be at that top speed that the CPU can do, and there's normally onlt 20 total lanes on the CPU - 16 go to the GPU slot and 4 to the first nvme slot. sapphire-rapids/xeon or threadripper/epic workstation boards will have more because those CPU's have more PCIe lanes to start with. one other possibility would be if the GPU has the nvme slots on the back because it only uses 8 PCIe lanes and 8 are being wasted...
@pirojfmifhghek566 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for really driving home the point that gen 4 and gen 5 drives get HOT. My poor 980 pro went and cooked itself to death because one little corner of one of the chips was not making contact with the thermal pad. The sensors didn't catch the temperature increase but it definitely damaged it. The drive became really unreliable and would go "offline" randomly, causing the system to freeze multiple times a day. Was an absolute nightmare to diagnose. NVMe heat output is no joke.
@bikes02 Жыл бұрын
I have corsair pro xt drives with read/write of 7k.....and my max temps for the 1gb using crystaldisk is 37c and for the 2gb 39c
@RoninMrtyr Жыл бұрын
That's just nuts. I just talked to my uncle and a customer the other day that the heat sinks wouldn't handle Gen 5 so it's good to be 1/2 wrong but still shows that coolers will need some intake or flow for M.2 slots going forward.
@turb0z Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see some cases that have the air flow to support the air movement to keep the drives at healthy temps. I don't water cool my systems, but having quality cases that have great airflow is important to me (while managing sound). I wonder if that 55c under load is realistic for just case fan air movement within a sealed case. Great video, I've been waiting for this video from you. 5th gen is absolutely insane. I'm still on Gen3 speeds and this is such a substantial upgrade... it might be time to upgrade my system.
@jeremymarsh569 Жыл бұрын
Saw a video artifact at 2:43 right before Jay says "what made that noise?"
@michaelmonstar4276 Жыл бұрын
2:42 - Seemed like a power-thing... Even the camera had a disturbance. Unless that was on battery, but it was at the exact same moment.
@Sgt_SealCluber Жыл бұрын
I was still on SATA drives until a few days ago, that's when my mobo or 3770k decided to kick it, which meant I didn't even have a single m.2 drive slot. Jumping straight from SATA to Gen4 drives with a mobo that has a Gen5 slot for when they aren't twice like twice the price of Gen4.
@cutterboard4144 Жыл бұрын
Maybe those newly installed drives do nothing and get warm. But maybe they *are* doing something *internally*, like testing if all cells are OK, or filling the drive up with random data if hardware encryption is enabled in the BIOS. Dont know though - just guessing.
@chadgrieser8021 Жыл бұрын
This is sort of off topic, but with temps and speeds of m.2 drives for the get 5 drives, do you think that watercooling of these parts is going to be something to need to do in either this gen or next gen drives?
@ZMacZ Жыл бұрын
5:11 Jayz, did you think about reversing the rotation on the cooler ? that way it sucks air in and aids cooling, at the expense of a little more heat on the graphics card.( which produces lots more heat I'd think, so a little won't matter.)
@Donivar Жыл бұрын
Something I have hated for a while in motherboard layouts is that they always out the m.2 ports right where the graphic card goes, potentially heating up the SSD when the graptics card is in use, and also blocking airflow to it. This may have been ok when few people used them and PCIe 3.0 drives were the only option. But now... I think they should be adjusting the layout so that the NVME drives are closer to the ashes of the board, or at least are closer to where the SATA ports are. I know, it's hard to fit so many stuff in a board right now, specially with the big ass graphics cards we have been getting, but something needs to be done.
@jubeikibagami1601 Жыл бұрын
I did the exact same thing with my Sabrent Rockets in my Asus X570 - put my gaming SSD in the one closest to the CPU for that BLAZING speed and my OS in the one father away. Works at 7000 mbps constantly. Cyberpunk levels load in literally three seconds.
@GySgt_USMC_Ret. Жыл бұрын
I'm currently on a new build with an Asus Strix Z790-E. It comes with optional motherboard fan mount brackets for VRM (40mm max.)and Memory (40mm, 50mm, 60mm max.) cooling . I hope to find test results to see if there is any advantage to adding these fans. A quick look yesterday showed a possible 6 CFM from small cooling fans. It seems to me that with an optimized case airflow, a 6 CFM fan would have little to no effect. Fair winds and following seas to all.
@justinhealy8061 Жыл бұрын
at 2:42 does anybody else see the slice of the top of the screen change or is it my system/internet?
@kumble2687 Жыл бұрын
No I saw it too
@kumble2687 Жыл бұрын
He also reacts to something happening probably a brownout or something
@marinipersonal Жыл бұрын
Same here. Also losing focus/ghosting few times.
@charlesbruneski9670 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos Jay. You obviously got a bit of sun over the summer: your skin is bronzed a bit darker and your mustache is lightened and the colors are blending until your mustache is nearly invisible... to the point i felt like i was watching an Amish dude. Computer tips with Jayzediah! 😊
@sebastianschumann5740 Жыл бұрын
just a little hint: there is a specified cooling cover for PCIE gen5 drives included with this asrock mainboard^^
@Nismo9132 Жыл бұрын
Been running a Crucial T700 2TB as my OS drive for a couple months on my new build and it’s insanely fast.
@Marcus_Wayne Жыл бұрын
Hey Jay, not related to the video but I love the new test bench station. I watched your other video where you showed it. But seeing it in use is a different story. Looks great! I hope you can change the light on top of it because it really changes the look of your whole video, burns your face some with such direct light, and probably gets really warm by your face while filming.
@TheBlueBunnyKen Жыл бұрын
I am using a sata ssd 1tb for my windows OS, didn't get an m.2 ssd till I needed more space
@gerydblackmore5484 Жыл бұрын
me too in my rig i have a sammy ssd 2.5" with a 6TB HDD on am older intel i7 4790k, still works fine for me.
@TheBlueBunnyKen Жыл бұрын
As long as you not constantly moving files around the sata ssd will last a long while
@i_am_meggaman Жыл бұрын
Interested to see some real world load times for some games
@captainboreale7632 Жыл бұрын
Currently using Crucial Ram on my outdated rig. It's the only satisfied piece of hardware that I'm happy with. I'd highly recommend it to everyone. (Crucial Rams&SSDs)
@ballistic_mod Жыл бұрын
I installed a Crucial P5 Plus 1tb for my boot drive to windows, & a P3 4tb for all my other files. I got them because of Jay's videos before about Crucial drives, & they have been very good, very fast, no issues.
@Digikidthevoiceofreason Жыл бұрын
Not as good as Samsung drives but still I would put Crucial at #3 at least. WD is #2.
@mackal Жыл бұрын
I like whatever made the noise disrupted the camera ... probably something electrical blowing?
@THEpicND Жыл бұрын
Curious how fast the starfield load times are with this bad boy, since they seem to be using direct storage
@chadsturgen-pc3cv Жыл бұрын
I am playing Starfield installed on this drive and can confirm load times are very fast but as far as I know this game is not using direct storage
@kyoudaiken Жыл бұрын
The difference in using a PC between a PCIe gen 3, 4 and 5 SSD is negligible. The issue is that IOPS haven't improved since almost a decade now. That's where anyone would notice a huge bump in storage performance.
@timothygibney159 Жыл бұрын
The CPU is limiting factor now in iops. Directx12 direct write should be able to offload io requests to your GPU to improve performance
@kyoudaiken Жыл бұрын
@@timothygibney159 Not only the CPU, though. It literally stayed constant since almost a decade while CPUs have been gettin a lot faster. It's mainly the NAND controller on these SSDs.
@Arhey Жыл бұрын
4k Random is more important than just burst and havent seen any improvement there. So at the end it only looks good on paper and is useless in real world applications.
@Warhorse469 Жыл бұрын
I upgraded from 3.5-inch HDDs to three 4-gig 2.5 SSDs to store all my games, movies, TV shows, and music. This allows me to avoid having to re-download everything when I feel like re-watching or replaying something because Australian Internet is painfully slow. I have four Team Cardea Gen 5 Z540 solid-state drives - one for Windows and the others for games and other programs that benefit from faster drives. In my opinion, 2.5-inch drives still have a purpose.
@Skyspace187 Жыл бұрын
I appreciated the comment at the end... I work for a major university and I see kids all of the time buying high-end PC equipment and bragging about it. I assist with the CyberCafe and eSport and kids are so hyped about being left out, it's concerning... At the end of the day, does it really matter? Do you really have to have the newest/greatest/fastest things? Stop feeding the beast, you can live without all of the bleeding edge things. I try to engage with the kids about expectations and realizations of hype, marketing, value and preceptions. It seems to hit home in about 1/10 students, but that's better than nothing. I hope the other 9/10 students that might want your YT Channel catch on or convert at least a few more to avoid pitfalls.
@jasonnorman3223 Жыл бұрын
3:28 -- hoping you are installing hardware monitor to check temps.. as you say speeds
@brian_serafin Жыл бұрын
Cheapest upgrade I ever did was moving from SSD to NVMe Gen 4s. They were the same price or on sale vs Gen3.
@awilliams1701 Жыл бұрын
they need watercooled drives. I almost feel like we need M.2 ports instead of connectors. Then you can have them in a special cooling solution. I feel like we're hitting a limit and sooner or later we can't attach them to the motherboard anymore.
@mikesimpson1866 Жыл бұрын
My asrock board came with a heatsink that included a fan to address the temps of Gen5. It sits right above the GPU barely.
@fandomshikashu Жыл бұрын
Is the cloning software used in the previous video still relevant to today's machines. As I recall that Windows had some setbacks finding certain directories.
@maolcogi Жыл бұрын
It's crazy that a year ago I bought a 2TB Samsung 990 PRO for about the price of a console, and now it's already obsolete. Big bummer.