These were seriously the answers? "The Acolyte" Episode Seven

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[@shadow6024]

Torbins plot being based on some homesickness was so weak. The way he just ran off on the speeder looked comical

[@Sam_T2000]

for a second, when Aniseya says something like “the Jedi make you repress your natural desires…” I was getting read to groan that they’re were making him gay… but no, he just wanted to go home… not sure which is more groan-worthy 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MideXIII]

And I mean, is Coruscant really popping like that? What exactly was he missing out on.

[@Sam_T2000]

@@MideXIII - I guess he left his Nintendo Switch at the Temple 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@GWFires]

use the force to stop him, but nah.

[@tangiers365]

@@MideXIII death sticks and inter galactic night clubs, remember all the pimps in andor? they fk a lot

[@richardsylvester4518]

Maybe Yoda would have sensed Palpatine was a sith if he shoved a metal detector in his face ... 😒

[@Rathadude]

Lol. Someone needs to make a skit about this. The Jedi just walk into the chancellor's office during a meeting, and Palpatine starts sweating as the beeping gets louder the closer they get to him.

[@furious_wrath7079]

​@@RathadudeLMAO that would be funny

[@bladerunner1b]

Never in a million years did I think I would see a Jedi or anyone from Star Wars for that matter- walk around with a metal detector yet here we are. I almost want a action figure of that to remind me of my misery.

[@jaycee2040]

Yoda: "Scanned you, I have. Detected, you are, Chancellor!"

[@SpFlash1523]

​@@Rathadude Star Wars Theory.

[@GrayFox370]

At this point Spaceballs is more Star Wars than Disney Star Wars

[@oscarb4822]

And are more honest about it being the "Quest for More Money"

[@IzzosPlace]

@@GrayFox370 when is them now?

[@marc-antoinecusson3119]

Love yogurt

[@KRobinson-ko1ne]

Soon…

[@robertagren9360]

Who know maybe we'll see again in sequel: the power of money

[@richardharrison4762]

Sol: ‘Girls! The bridge is going to collapse! Run back!’

[@Sam_T2000]

or he could’ve just used the Force to pick them both up, and not worried about the bridge at all 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@richardharrison4762]

@@Sam_T2000 Or even a force push to send them to solid ground. I will allow head canon to excuse these options - he is not that strong in the force, after this event he practices to catch someone if they fall so it doesn’t happen again. But A: he could have yelled a warning and B: They put themselves in danger in the first place! Yes they are children but they have been shown to be intelligent. Ocea was smart enough to escape being locked in a burning room at the very least! God! This show! (I don’t even have Disney + anymore. I just wait for Little Platoons long play reviews) I will say this, and I feel the same way about the Sequels, Damsel and even She Hulk. There ARE some good, engaging and interesting ideas there. Someone on the writing team had a solid idea… just I feel other louder voices NEEDED to use the story as a platform to promote their own ideology, and the production suffers because story and characters come second if at all.

[@therealmovieman]

Yeah the writing is so bad

[@richardharrison4762]

@@therealmovieman And keep in mind how much the show costs, then remember that writing just needs a pen and paper.

[@hundredfireify]

OSHA! MAE! ... OSHA! MAE! ....... OSHAAA! MAAE! "STFU and run back FFS"

[@Around-the-fur__]

I love how the episode starts out w The Kalnacca combing Brendok w a $20 metal detector, looking for $180 million dollar "vergence" in the force.

[@Cdre_Satori]

Oh good I kept hearing Virgins in the force and I was kinda weirded out a group of adults would refer to two kids like that.

[@tangiers365]

@@Cdre_Satori u must be a virgin

[@AzayBae]

President Spaceball told him to comb the desert! 😂

[@callmev3531]

@@AzayBae”WE AIN’T FOUND SHIT!”

[@Around-the-fur__]

Lol .. "We ain't found shit!"

[@IzzosPlace]

Thank you for watching so I don’t have to. Much love and respect.

[@Gaulskull]

Saved me some snacks on some better shows 😂

[@PsychotoasterProd]

I spent the evening watching The Blue Eyed Samurai. Sounds like I was the winner here.

[@AgeofGuns]

Honestly I’d prefer if they’d collectively ignore it but I understand the need.

[@bladerunner1b]

@@AgeofGuns Yeah $ from views. They are just as complicit as Disney IMO by keeping it alive and that makes me complicit for watching them.

[@jdstudios1912]

Bro really took one for the team here and it's not even over

[@shadow6024]

Idk why the penultimate episode was like 80% just a recap of another flashback we already had. This cannot be what we were waiting for

[@StewBedazzle]

I'm waiting for the show to end wake me when its over

[@jefrysax]

If you watch Ahsoka, and even most of this show almost all episodes half of the time they are recapping what happened before. Once I wanted to count how many pieces of new information were in an Ahsoka episode, because I wanted to compare it with a Clone Wars episode ...well the new "bits of information" started to come way past the time mark. Here is the same ... they have these boring conversations, that repeat what we know, and then repeat it some more, instead of giving us some answers of things seem interesting.

[@MrJacksspleen]

Who is "we?"

[@shadow6024]

@@MrJacksspleen lmao facts😂 sadly I still can’t help but to watch everything new even if it’s bad. It’s like rewatching revenge of the sith. Maybe this time it will be different 🙏🏻

[@Sam_T2000]

I think you underestimate just how badly Torbin wanted to go home…

[@JSTheOperator]

There’s a lot of important plot questions that need to be answered in 30 minutes next week. What could possibly go wrong? here’s everything left unanswered in chronological order: -what was supposed to be the outcome of the interrupted witch ceremony that osha couldn’t finish -How did mei survive the fall -how did mei meet smilo ren -why did osha leave the order -is osha evil now -why doesn’t mei want to turn herself in anymore -where/who is plageuis and does he find out about the witches -why was this show made -what is the point of this show -why is it important that this is 100 years before the phantom menace

[@Nava9380]

A good question.. for another time...

[@pixel3042]

My guess: - Osha joins Smilo Ren because she is attracted to him sexually - Darth Plageuis comes to kill Smilo Ren for revealing him to the jedi - Plageuis captures Osha and learns how to create kids from the force - Plageuis also kills Sol to keep the sith a secret - Mae either also gets killed and runs off - Osha left the order because deep down she always knew what the jedi did to her family - Mei survived the fall because the dark side grants many abilities that some would consider unnatural - And Smilo Ren sensed Mei across the galaxy somehow and taught her the dark side to get back at the jedi

[@PhoticSneezeOne]

And the biggest mystery of it all: How could this be greenlit ?

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

​@@PhoticSneezeOne Thus one is easy to answer... It wasn't. Kennedy basically leaked all of this out in an interview with a magazine, at a time in which Iger was trying to do something to "help" Star Wars. Thus they couldn't cancel the show now since if they did a while drama would start that could lead to legal battles Thus they allowed Kennedy to have her way... Again.

[@mrcat3493]

Worse yet, we get CGI De-Aged Christopher Lee to kill Sol and Smilo.

[@allenparker7142]

I liked the Wookiee Jedi searching for the Vergence in the Force using a metal detector. Hilarious!

[@takuid]

shit is insanely funny brah. The maxi big the Force with a capital F is a joke now lmao

[@TheL0ngbeard]

"combing the desert" scene from Specaballs comes to mind.

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@allenparker7142 To be fair Qui Gon's communicator in Episode I is a woman's leg razor that's been Sci Fi-ed up My Mom and sisters had the same one so I recognised it in the film, and it's also shown what they used in a behind the scenes documentary.

[@ichisirus]

Wookiee Jedi: Screw that! I'm looking for gold on this planet!! 😅

[@Lilac-and-Gooseberries]

Vergence detector!

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

My prediction for next episode will have everyone crushed by that giant Monty Python foot.

[@lordteabelly]

😂😂 that would be incredible

[@toddlawrance4045]

Narrated by the Dead Parrot.

[@KalleBowo]

That would at least make more sense than this show's writing.

[@blazingmonolith4323]

Sadly no one will be sacked

[@slyngn7847]

God, I hope so🦶

[@drdoomskywalker1731]

This show makes Solo look like The Godfather.

[@user-cr4ny6ze9v]

😂

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

Wow wow wow!! Let's not get that low.

[@chrisheywood7376]

Solo cops an unfair amount of shit. It actually captures the swashbuckling fun of Star Wars well. But speaking of Solo: Miller and Lord were sacked because Lucasfilm didn’t like the direction … but watching Acolyte it is genuinely baffling the episodes were approved for release when it’s just filled with odd choices and amateur execution.

[@SpiritOfBagheera]

Solo was actually good.

[@emberfist8347]

@@chrisheywood7376Except isn’t that good. Han’s name was stupid, having him get everything on a single adventure was stupid, they ruined the Falcon, LEET was an unnecessary addition, the new trooper variants are stupid except for the Mudtroopers being the live-action debut of the Imperial Army Troopers, Corellia was changed from one of the most unique worlds in the lore to a generic industrial city world we have seen done to death in this genre and they really watered down Han’s character by making him less of a morally ambiguous scoundrel who had some redeeming qualities and more of a generic hero character. Also Lando is similarly ruined by being made a cheater at sabaac which wasn’t an interesting or necessary change and in fact ruined the point about Sabaac being a game you can’t really cheat at since counting cards is impossible.

[@albertanmotorcyclist6419]

It’s funny, this show is trying so hard to paint the Jedi as bad and they even failed at that. I thought for sure they had tampered with the reactor and accidentally killed the witches that way. The only thing the Jedi did was kill 1 witch in a morally ambiguous situation. Sol was a bit jumpy and over emotional, but he acted defensively to the witch’s dark power while the rest of the witches were already aggressive and about to attack, it wasn’t that unreasonable

[@romelmunoz7957]

How can the sudden death of the possessing witches get the jury on their side? "When the master Jedi freed the wookie from our spell the entire coven dropped dead" 😅😅😅

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

I Don't think the show is trying to paint the Jedi as the bad guys though, This was all a tragic misunderstanding with heightened emotions and good intentions going ary The Jedi can make mistakes so did the Witches and they choose to present Osha with a different point of view of what happened to spare her feelings and not shatter her new dream.

[@Dragonk116]

Exactly so how are the Jedi bad here? Besides Sol acting like a sith.

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@romelmunoz7957 I took that as a misunderstanding from Master Indara of how the Witches force powers work, She was trying to free her friend but the connection could not be broken that way safely It also shows the consequences for how the force powers of the coven work Their abilities have repercussions.

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

Not so much as bad, but as frustratingly incompetent... Which at this point has to be a projection.

[@baronvg]

Thor said, “Sit your ass down”. I think he’s officially sick of this show 😂

[@rector0455]

You know it's bad when polite and civil Thor Skywalker starts talking like Mace really wanted too toward Anakin...

[@emptyblank099a]

Torbin has all the information about the twins on his laptop thing. He doesn't need to get the twins, they can just send that information to council to review.

[@MostViewedTop40]

Yep. Facts. Physically taking them to the council will do nothing since they could only tell anything by getting a blood sample ...which they already have.

[@ian-flanagan]

They had to take the bar owner across the galaxy to say “That’s her!”

[@jeffreyschweitzer8289]

Well, remember this galaxy also lacks security cameras; and the force only lets you sense things when it advances the plot. So everyone is blind and stupid until characters meet face to face.

[@coybold5303]

@@ian-flanagan Only to find out, oh, it wasn't her (which they probably could've learned checking with the captain)

[@MyLibertyTV]

Torbin wants to go home and stop studying the boring planet. Mother witch got in his head and amplified his homesick thoughts and emotions to an obsessive level. The Jedi Council orders them to leave the coven alone and continue their boring study of the planet. Torbin snaps because of what Mother witch did to him and acts irrational seeing the taking of the twins back to Corascant as his only escape from this planet studying mission.

[@hantms]

We got teased with a 'Rashomon effect' by Kurosawa, where the same event is given contradictory interpretations by different individuals involved, thereby providing different perspectives on the same incident. The insufferable hacks writing this though really didn't get that, as we get basically the same perspective as in episode 3. Episode 3 just held back on a bit of information to keep the audience in the dark, which then got stretched out all the way to ep. 7. THIS IS NOT HOW THAT WORKS!

[@sweetchristmas101]

Twins survive a traumatic event, one is raised by the dark, one is raised by the light. If they wanted Rashomon they had all the pieces.

[@ondrejmaceska6196]

It wasn't even the perspective of one particular character or group of characters, as if it were the case and this was the jedi's perspective then we couldn't have seen how Mae starts the fire..

[@TheL0ngbeard]

you actually thought they know what that is?

[@reneszeywerth8352]

Rashomon is at its core about unreliable narrators with some of the involved people straight up lying about what happened. Also it's not just a flashy storytelling device but the way the story is told is closely linked ot the message of the movie. What does The Acolyte want to tell its audience?

[@emberfist8347]

Except they miss the part that Rashomon doesn’t have the truth revealed.

[@wellhungindung]

Virgins in the Forest sounds like a Scandinavian movie from the 70's

[@Ihavethetouch]

As a Scandinavian I take offense to that, Acolyte is far worse

[@bijikedelai]

there's actually a swedish movie in 1960 called "Virgin Spring" 😅

[@beastlyarrow6570]

Kenobi Budget = $90 million Acolyte Budget = $180 million What more needs to be said? How has KK not been fired yet?

[@dereklopez9060]

Because nobody at Disney has the backbone to fire her.

[@brendobaggins]

It would be twisted into “Hollywood misogyny” despite the fact it’s really due to incompetence

[@XpunisherX8152]

Money Laundering

[@GeorgeChacon2112]

@@beastlyarrow6570 because everyone at Disney is a moron.

[@baki484]

Maybe she has dirt on those who can.

[@ToaCody1]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="660">11:00</a> "Ironic: she could see the doom of the Jedi, but not her own."

[@NikaSanKai]

She talked in retrospect as THEY know the plot already, which is typical of SW since the clone wars show and forward. They are basically using the 6 original movies and playing with fans’ emotions to endure attachments by quotes, resemblance and so on.

[@cklambo]

And Sol being the most Qui-gon like jedi we've seen. Except qui-gon was never this emotional.

[@AdmiralBonetoPick]

So according to the captions, this episode was all about virgins in the forest, and a dark cider.

[@slyngn7847]

ngl I thought he said "virgins" rather than vergence. My stupid as was thinking "Why are they looking for virgins?" (I don't watch this series)

[@user-lj1xm6fq3w]

Woulda made a better star wars series honestly. “Bitter the dark cider is” 😂🤣😂👍

[@pentapus4606]

The jedi were only there 7 weeks not months. The Force feels strangely absent in this series besides being used as superpowers.

[@carolusrex5213]

Honestly yeah it feels like the writers don't know that the force allows you to also feel changes in people and things

[@takuid]

they never understood it as anything but superpowers, "wizards in space" is the motto of Disney crowd. Under Disney we have seen the Force make people fly and teleport, we have seen it turn things invisible to naked eye, we have even seen it literally fix things that are broken to their original state, like "reparo" from effing Harry Potter, not more or less, literally the same. They might have as well pulled out wands and cast the spell verbally smh...Just play Jedi Survivor. they see no difference between the Force and the magic in Harry Potter. They are that dim and reductionist with this shit..

[@flyingfish7787]

I rather watch Andor again. It has Zero force in it, but much more interesting and intense.

[@chrisheywood7376]

It’s also not clear why the feel Brendock having vegetation is cause to believe in force intervention. If a forest suddenly sprung up on Tatooine you’d be asking questions how that’s possible but here it’s just some planet that seems to have trees on it and the characters are acting like it’s impossible but never explain why.

[@ian8477]

7 weeks? So, like, 7 weeks of discussion about a pointless nothing of TV show? Funny, because the first week would have been 2 episodes, so it will only have been 6 weeks of discourse by the time the final episode arrives. Missed opportunity for something meta, unless that was their goal all along and they somehow even messed that up... unless this has all been a smokescreen and after a seventh week of youtubers ripping the finale apart, Disney says "April fools! Here's the real one." I don't think they're capable of something like that... nor would it go down very well after this nonsense... but it did cross my mind immediately when I heard they were there for 7 weeks and found nothing. Wow. Has it really been over a month already?

[@johnsnake3467]

You would think turning into a smoke monster would give you some sort of resistance to physical damage 😂

[@Sam_T2000]

remember the smoke monster from _Lost?_

[@saftpackerl]

What made her think turning herself and Mae into a smoke monster in such a tense situation would be the way to go. How could the Jedi with the lightsaber next to her not interpret that as a hostile action. Its like being held at gun point by the police and rapidly reaching into your pocket AND halfway pull out your Warer Gun. It was so stupid! And her telling him that she would have let Osha go just to spike his bad conscience…🤦‍♂️ „Officer I only wanted to spray away that fly on your head - you wrongfully killed me“

[@emberfist8347]

@@Sam_T2000Yeah he had few weaknesses in that form and died when he was stuck in Locke’s form for the finale.

[@bloodbath-and-beyond]

I guess she didn’t have “the power of MaNy-EeEeEe” 😂

[@o4komodo]

​@@bloodbath-and-beyondthe entire coven had the power of maaannnnyyyyy when they possessed the wookie dude and still lost. This proving its all about the power of one

[@rmw9420]

what a shame that the longest episodes so far are exposition dump flashbacks

[@shadow6024]

That share like 75% of the same content. There was barely anything new. Def coulda been all in 1 episode.

[@gamedude412]

With one flashback being meaningless and a waste of an episode now

[@Supermansdead81]

Yeah this was a HUGE disappointment to say the least! The fact that we already saw most of this earlier in the season boggles my mind. The story can’t progress I guess because they blew the budget on something else lol. Not sure where that money went but basically seeing the same episode twice at different points in the same season with only minor POV change is ridiculous. Seems like that would’ve saved them some money right?….so that seems like more evidence that money didn’t all go to this series at all. I hope everyone that worked on this show at least got a free tank of gas out of this deal.

[@jeffreyroedel9804]

The only reason this episode was so long is because they showed us so many of the same Episode 3 scenes, just from different angles. I was laughing thinking "they don't need to show us this one again," they could have just skipped to the scenes where actual important details are revealed, instead of walking us through the entire episode all over. If they had only flashed back to the essential scenes, this show would have been less than 20 minutes.

[@Nanixashi]

But the saying-“tell, don’t show”- you mean “fans” DON’T like info-dumps?????

[@beastlyarrow6570]

Imagine you get the call to act in a Star Wars project. You immediately say because it's a dream come true, but then they hand you the Acolyte script and your like, "oh shit, what have I done??"

[@Sam_T2000]

you’d just tweet out an innocuous, vaguely right-wing opinion and they’d set you free 👍

[@lhiugtk]

I had that same thought just today

[@Selfinflictedhummusrocket]

Lil bro thinks individual actors get the whole script on a Disney project

[@owenarnold7611]

That's exactly what happened to me. You can see my name in the credits in episodes 1-3. After watching the first episode I asked them to remove my credit. It was pitched to me as an exploration into the origins and rise of the dark side which I thought sounded really cool. You don't get a script till you begin due to NDA's. I read the script and thought...oh....that's....below mediocre.....and then as things progress there's script changes....and it got worse....and worse.....and worse..... And to top it all off the Hollywood strikes kicked off leaving many UK freelancers out of work for months. The Acolyte was not a good show to work on. Source: me.

[@scraptonking3092]

@@Sam_T2000”vaguely”

[@cagiesthread1032]

“Good girl, get mad” finished me off. What in the name of Christ was that

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@cagiesthread1032 "use your aggressive feelings"

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Totally not a Sith ™

[@thomashobbes8786]

Nebula level writing, that.

[@Jethro648]

Even on its own, this isn’t a good show. Let alone a good Star Wars show.

[@Deuteromis]

I saw comments on another channel of people still saying the show is great along with this episode...

[@Jethro648]

@@Deuteromis oh boy.. they’re entitled to their opinion I suppose. But I think the show is objectively bad regardless of personal enjoyment.

[@robertagren9360]

Majority of comments are corporations. They need to keep knowing what people think.

[@Orangefan77]

So opposite from Andor, which is not just good SW television- it's just plain good television on its own.

[@LordHollow]

180 million is a lot of money to launder...

[@frankvandorp2059]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="7">0:07</a> If you don't want anything ruined, you probably shouldn't watch the Acolyte in the first place.

[@christopherm.1258]

When Sol carried the bridge to save the twins I just thought: "Tell them to get off the f*cking bridge, you idiot!"

[@jasongott1094]

Exactly - walk the other way where you wouldn't be on a collapsing bridge. Those kids are too dumb to be Jedi or Sith.

[@Citizen13]

It’s The Last Jedi all over again where the audience put more thought into “what’s going to happen?” than the writers did.

[@44ThaNatos44]

Exactly, people running around screaming "oh my god, how will they be able to tie this together ?" while the producers look taken aback "Were we supposed to ?"

[@silcoxjakob]

Blame Jj abrams

[@butcherpete2286]

To be totally fair that was more of a Force Awakens issue.

[@Citizen13]

All of them are to blame for not sitting down together and storyboarding the whole sequel trilogy timeline of events that they wanted to happen, beginning to end. So we got random ADHD fuel instead.

[@TokyoXtreme]

@@Citizen13 "Your woke theory sucks" sticker written in the Kenner font has likely been printed up by Leslye Headland.

[@voidoflight2420]

What bugs me the most about this show (other than the retcons that they made) is just how it feels like the people writing the show don't understand how to write a story that actually makes logical sense. A lot of their characters don't act like how actual human beings would if they were put in those scenarios. It feels like the writers and creators of the show are thinking that they're saying something profound, when it feels like they're not even speaking an actual coherent language at all. Especially when they're trying to make you feel like a villain is completely relatable- when said villain is completely unhinged and murders people just because he can. It feels like highschool-level fanfiction that someone was paid to make into a Star Wars show, rather than actually making something interesting and coherent in the first place. Despite the common consensus, I don't really care about who the showrunners are as people or what they did in their past. I just care about judging the show on it's own merits, instead of those who are attached to it.. and on it's own merits this show is something that makes me sort of desire to stay away from Disney Star Wars instead of watching or consuming more. I haven't watched a Star Wars show since Kenobi, and haven't seen any of the newer movies since Solo. I don't think this'll change any time soon unfortunately.

[@Deuteromis]

I've read fanfiction with better writing. Hell I've written fanfiction with better writing and my worst was still better than this.

[@44ThaNatos44]

Go watch Andor, it's the only thing worthy in Disney Star Wars and somehow it got the worst advertising and low audience numbers. You'll be blown away by the writing. I'm like you, I don't judge the producers because of who they are or what they did previously. To me The Acolyte isn't very political or controversial. It isn't very anything basically, it's bland. I'm pretty sure a lot of the viewers put more thought into it than the showrunners, this feels like a rough outline of a story. How it got approved, filmed and broadcasted in that state is truly mindblowing.

[@elriano1]

@@44ThaNatos44 Andor would have been a hit if they hadn't reused a side character no one was really interested in from a side movie, it was an awful marketing decision. They could have made a new character and created a new internal storyline. But I guarantee some executive pressed them to have an established character as the lead, and as a result, tanked viewership by refusing to take a small risk.

[@Janx14]

Yeah if they wanted Qimir to be more understandable they shouldn't have made him be so willing to kill. Killing all those jedi does nothing to prove his point, and does everything to prove the jedi's point. Instead he should have focused on incapacitating them, or like destroying their sabers, to prove he has the power and means to be the monster they think he is, but he isn't. The 4 jedi mae is supposed to kill could have been through the Jedi actually doing something wrong.

[@MrTrancelator]

I guess everyone misunderstood the chant: it was "The Power of Manny (Jacinto)."

[@alexmartin3143]

Brilliant

[@mazkeraid4039]

Ha!

[@thomashobbes8786]

ftw

[@ford_prefect1656]

Ohhh, I just thought, they were talking about Manuel (Manny) Both-Hanz. You know, the guy Mon Mothma told us died while stealing the intel on the 2nd death star.

[@ozziepez88]

Especially how the last episode ends. This just pulls me out to have this random episode in the middle of the story.

[@chrisheywood7376]

And it’s mostly the same footage and events and conversations we saw four episodes ago. It’s 20% new content and B-roll and 80% scenes from the third episode. Seriously weird choice to make this an episode. And the penultimate one at that.

[@weezyslob]

I just realized Torbin went from being so weak as a Padawan that he acted irrationally because he wanted to go home, to being able to get past this incident to the point that he becomes a Jedi MASTER within 6 years, and then it suddenly bothers him again so much that he takes a vow of meditation and silence for 10 years until he kills himself… These are not Jedi, who is writing this nonsense. None of these Jedi act like Jedi, even Indara, the one who is clearly well above the others in skill and maturity, says they need to lie to the council at the end. Why? They could have told the truth and the Council likely understands. Not being able to train Osha if they tell the truth is not a good enough reason for Indara to suggest lies and coverup. Disney does not understand the force or Jedi.

[@quingreen9720]

Revenge of the Sith had a cheaper budget than this pile of poo….speaks volumes

[@BigMan.270]

People that will defend this show, "You need to look at how much of the added costs is from current day inflation!". But, if you want to use a more current comparison, Dune 2 cost $10 million more to make than this 💩 show. The quality between the two, it's incomparable.

[@twincast2005]

Adjusted for inflation their budgets are essentially identical. And The Acolyte has about 1.5 times the runtime of Revenge of the Sith. Also, streaming productions inherently have higher budgets than traditional equivalents because they pay cast and crew more upfront to partially make up for the loss of potentially decades of residuals paid out of the revenue.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

​@twincast2005 the problem arises with the low quality. Lots of money for steaming shite is never justifiable

[@tigerlancer]

From my point of view, the Jedi are evil. 😂

[@nathank2289]

Well LetsGive HeadLand and her "wife" needed a healthy bonus for when the show fails. Also a large bribe bonus for KK when she eventually retires and is never allowed in Hollywood again. Golden parachutes are expensive

[@xaviercomas2424]

they doubled down on the most brilliant line ever “you CANNOT deny the jedi to test the children… with your permission of course 🙂‍↔️”

[@jopturne]

I wondered if anyone else noticed that, lol.

[@johnrains5240]

Yes me to wondering if others caught this. Horrible writing…

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@xaviercomas2424 she means it's understood throughout the Galaxy the Jedi have a mandate to do this. "With your permission" is a courtesy. It's one level removed from "This is Jedi buisness..."

[@johnrains5240]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 It flows much better the way you restated it. Also easier to understand for a wider audience.

[@istari0]

@@jopturne I noticed it the first time. Even went back to make sure I heard what I thought I heard. That was a particularly bad piece of writing.

[@bboyggez]

No one talks about how osha amd may were fraternal twins that eventually became identical twins 😂😂😂

[@Loki_Yogi]

"Instead of using Metal Detectors, maybe sit your ass down and do some meditating..." 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@annikinstarkiller600]

Oh boy I'm glad I stayed up for this

[@richardsylvester4518]

Now all those defenders cam shut the hell up when they say "it's not over yet. The show will explain everything". Justification for people with intelligence and foresight.

[@vashythewabbit8288]

@@Selfinflictedhummusrocketbro, the Ewoks never defeated the Empire. Stop using that strawman

[@Cdre_Satori]

They wont. Acolyte shills fall into two categories, the paid actors who never meant anything seriously nad just bombed reviews so they can say the reviews arent real, and idiots who will rock back and forth and repeat that it will get better next season, it will be better next season it just needs more money more time.

[@Lemmiwings]

@@vashythewabbit8288 They were still a fucking stupid addition. Also they defeated the battalion responsible for guarding the shield generator. So they played a mayor role in defeating the empire. Lucas could have used wookies instead, but he wanted the cute stuffed merchandise.

[@Deuteromis]

Oh don't under estimate the power of cope.

[@Deuteromis]

​@@SelfinflictedhummusrocketIf you were trying to prove your lack of knowledge basic Star Wars lore, congrats you succeed.

[@Lilac-and-Gooseberries]

Did anyone notice Mae didn’t actually try to kill her sister? She literally accidentally started the fire. No “I’ll kill you” line so I guess that’s Osha misremembering.

[@jryannorton]

Or bad writing

[@Scar_117]

This entire show could've been avoided if Sol just followed instructions and wasn't being a weirdo.

[@callmev3531]

More like if Torbin didn’t jump at the chance to maybe go back home to Corusant. Sol’s interest in getting Osha away from the coven aligned with Osha’s desire to get to leave and explore the galaxy, the main issue being complications on both sides that made each of them achieving their goals far more difficult, along with the fact that the Jedi were Osha’s best chance at getting away from the coven that would try to keep her there and the coven and Sol seeing Osha as a potential apprentice he wanted conflicted with his desire for her to simply be safe. Either way, their attempt to make it out that there really was no “villain” and that it’s only a matter of perspective doesn’t really work with how the coven treated these girls in the same way the Jedi treat their younglings, only the Jedi were willing to let Osha leave and live a peaceful life outside the Order (even fulfilling her original goal of simply traveling beyond her home) until Mae, the jealous weirdo that she is, indirectly disrupted this with her murder spree incriminating Osha.

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@Scar_117 Or he just went to the Jedi Counsel and reported what happened. They found a couple of children who were born as vergences in the Force and they tested them as was their right. Then the witches turned into smoke monsters and tried mind-controlling them to prevent them from taking the children and they accidentally killed them in self-defense. One of the children set fire to the place and they were only able to save one of them before they left.

[@jdstudios1912]

The entire show could've been avoided if the writers had just watched star wars before they started making the show. Then maybe they'd actually understand what the force is and what jedi and sith are.

[@romelmunoz7957]

Osha didn't wanted to become a Jedi, she only wanted to be far away from her toxic bipolar sister, that's what the entire third episode showed us 😅😅😅

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@romelmunoz7957 That and also hanging out with people who weren't clones or weird, crazy lesbian dark-side cultists.

[@Solo13508]

The various references to other stories told in books and comics has definitely been a highlight for me. Love Filoni but his evident lack of respect for any continuity besides his own has gotten really annoying in the past few years.

[@alexmuenster2102]

>>The various references to other stories told in books and comics has definitely been a highlight for me.

[@AzayBae]

I feel the same way. He even sometimes drops parts of his own lore that he seems to dislike. It's so weird that Anakin can just change Ahsoka's lightsaber color and Filoni did so when it contradicts the Ahsoka book. The color doesn't change much imo. I prefer her being unique with green and yellow-green on her shoto.

[@mpnuorva]

Oh please. Legends doubled down on every wrong guess and retcon it made on the films. When your continuity has a Jedi-Sith pipeline because it retconned Jedism's greatest strength to a debilitating weakness you don't get to complain about being retconned back.

[@JoRoq1]

To be fair, it isn’t clear how much Filoni had to do with this production. Rumors I’ve seen had him not come in until after the first or second round of terrible test screenings, when they were struggling with what to rewrite and reshoot (again). KK and Headland have been consistent in portraying this as Headland’s concept and development.

[@emberfist8347]

You mean like Andor by Tony Gilroy retconning the main character’s backstory

[@steve93pa]

There's a conspiracy theory floating around, that the production of this show is just an expensive group therapy session for Headland and all other clowns who think and believe in the same things she does. Yeah, that's not looking like a conspiracy theory anymore.

[@Dragonk116]

Considering that Disney's "men in black" were reported to see what the hell was going on with the finances of Lucasfilms I wouldn't be surprised at this point that the funds for this show was indeed inappropriately distributed.

[@franciscorafaelmontielpale7854]

At this point all of Star Wars is just that... A bunch of therapy sessions turned into a hatefiction. However in all honesty at this point, Lucasfilms is so incompetently bad, that you know this is being done on purpose like Fan4stic, Dragonball Evolution and other terrible projects that only existed to retain rights to an IP. However at this point Lucasfilms only exists as Disney's biggest money laundering operation.

[@JohnDoe-zw8vx]

If that's the case, I'm surprised she allowed the all woman society to be so against a child's right to make such a life changing decision. Guess Headland is anti-trans kids, huh? 🤣🤣🤣

[@jackforbes1082]

Can someone please explain to me how 8 year old Osha, who has only lived around witches, would have any idea what a Jedi was or what their symbols are. She is 8, and lives on a planet that no Jedi has visited for around 100 years. I can't imagine that anything the witches told her about Jedi, presuming they told her anything, would have painted them in a positive light.

[@thomashobbes8786]

Damn internet, I knew I shouldn’t have given Osha my iPad. Lol

[@MylesKillis]

She knows they aren’t her bipolar sister. That’s all she needs to know.

[@mitchellhouser1572]

@@thomashobbes8786they should’ve put “Jedi” on the banned search terms list and all this could have been prevented 😭

[@eddavis389]

You'd think four Jedi would be able to sense a concentration of 80+ Force sensitive witches when they were surveying the planet. Yet they were surprised there were people living there, on a nice, lush world, in a universe where there are thousands of starships for people to travel about looking for an isolated place to live. Instead, the Jedi tromp around taking samples for weeks at a time, looking for a Vergence in the Force. Shouldn't they be able to sense it? Metal detectors and plant samples? Really? It looked like a very bad episode of the original Star Trek series. I kept expecting to see Spock with a tricorder.

[@alexmuenster2102]

>>I kept expecting to see Spock with a tricorder.

[@Deuteromis]

I'm chalking it up to some spell or energy barrier able to block the Force off. They'll pull some explanation about...or not and claim you're nitpicking too much.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

@@Deuteromiswhich the episode conveniently fails to mention, leaving it up to the viewer to build the story, which is the epitome of terrible writing

[@saftpackerl]

Also, on that originally supposed to be barren lifeless planet, which plant life surprised them, which they spent 7 weeks on, running around with metal detectors, they didnt notice a HUGHE structure, right in the open?? No sensor sweep with their ship? Hell their landing location wsnt that far off, for the witches to arrive by foot and drop of the girls. Even when the Jedi landed, they didnt spot that structure with THEIR EYES?? Then: „This must be an old abandoned mining facility“ WTF? On a supposed to be lifeless planet (as you told us a few minutes earlier) they just discovered to have plant life. So there used to be a huge mining operation running on that lifeless planet the Republic wasnt aware of? This is so unbearably stupid…

[@aquapendulum]

It would be a real shame if the people creating that Force anomaly they were searching for were living on A MOUNTAIN! Literally one of the most visible place you can look at, whether from the ground or in the air.

[@somehighlights2851]

The Acolyte: 8 (30 minutes aprox.) episodes: 180 millions. HOT D (S02): 8 (60 minutes aprox.) episodes: 200 millions.

[@FinnorXTube]

The fourth episode of HOTD was crazy. This show is amazing.

[@andrewfiorini8169]

Idk why Disney makes these 30min. Episodes. The shows that go for longer runtimes work, but they are also written much better

[@Janx14]

@@andrewfiorini8169 Cause they don't have enough plot to fill in the time they already have. This series easily could have been half the length if they had proper length episodes and still felt like it could have been cut further down to a 2 hour movie

[@Cliff-M-]

This seems like a high school project compared to HOTD. Leagues apart. What was the budget spent on?

[@SiriuslyBlack7]

Thank you for your service.I have my morbid curiosity satisfied..I saved $15 or more by NOT subscribing to Disney+ this month.

[@ProfoundFamiliarity]

same

[@storyteller2285]

Honestly I’m only watching The Acolyte so I can laugh along at the Angry Joe reviews. Also for you, Thor. lol

[@BearthatBaresFoodinBelly]

That's exactly where I have been since the first episode. I love it.

[@JohnSheppard1]

This show is the epitome of a story that doesn't need to be told.

[@Zayphar]

The Virgins in the Force! We must find the Virigins!!!!

[@remmrek]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="384">6:24</a> Sol gets a force tingle and wants to parent another person's child. The Jedi get called out for wanting the children to be raised by an institution instead of a family. Torbin is a little homesick bxtch running off towads the castle to take the kids because they're proof of a vergence. And Indara.. that reminds me. Isn't Mae supposed to be a secret?? The Jedi council were already informed of the witch coven and the 2 kids, and the lie was to blame it on Mae, but Vernestra was never told ?

[@aquapendulum]

Good catch. The official story that Indara crafted at the end of this episode still had Mae in it as the explanation for the fire. They literally cannot explain the fire on Brendok without her in the story. But if that story entered the Jedi Archives that way, Osha would have a dead twin sister on the record, but the first episode already established that Osha doesn't have a twin sister on the record. Oh my... I can't stand incompetent writers.

[@MatoVuc]

"Just wait for the answers. You can't judge the show beforehand!" Well, that 'advice' looks all the dumber now, doesn't it?

[@Pwn3dbyth3n00b]

Torbin shouldn't even be a Jedi if being homesick was enough emotions for him to attempt to kidnap kids against the council's decision.

[@emberfist8347]

@@Pwn3dbyth3n00b seriously you are ignoring he was mind raped?

[@jdstudios1912]

Who knew qui gon found anakin using a metal detector

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Jedi can’t actually sense anything anymore, they need a piece of special technology without any precedent in the lore, but at the same time Jedi can infiltrate your mind if you’re not wearing a tin foil hat.

[@takuid]

@@pufffincrazy5275 lmao tin foil hat, the jokes write themselves with Disney Star Wars lol

[@johnrains5240]

I thought he used a diving rod. 😂

[@rector0455]

Fun fact about real Star Wars, but that communicator in Episode I Jinn uploads Anakin's blood sample in? Yeah, that's a shick razor product of some sort that just looked like a sci Fi gizmo.

[@TokyoXtreme]

He combed the desert.

[@PsychotoasterProd]

Unbelievable. The whole point of Roshomon was that it was distinct points of view on the one story. The Bandit saw himself as cunning and brave and the samurai a Worthy Opponent who he slew in a Duel to the Death. The woman saw everything through her own personal despair, so the bandit is just a violent maniac who flees after raping her. The Samurai saw the bandit as a violent thug with some ethics, and his wife was a full-blown villain, and the Woodcutter saw them as the worst versions of themselves. It is not "Lets just retell the story from the other side." Way to miss the point of the movie, you knobs.

[@lmbb9810]

Thank you so much for pointing this out! Headland clearly interprets things like this in such a superficial, reductive way that this is the result. Watching some of those interviews of hers back now, where she’s so pleased with her cleverness…the cringe of it all.

[@BearthatBaresFoodinBelly]

Not to mention it didn't actually show distinct perspectives. Ep 3: it isn't any one person's perspective. It's Osha, parts of the witches, and one moment of Sol in the woods. Ep7: Mae, Sol, the Jedi, and more of the witches perspective. So it didn't show alternate perspectives it just withheld information.

[@Deuteromis]

Headland only skimmed the Cliff's Notes of Rashamon.

[@jackofallclaws6672]

Wow…even TLJ did Rashamon Storytelling better than this!

[@romelmunoz7957]

​@@BearthatBaresFoodinBellyand Sol is telling his version to an adult Mae who saw almost everything (less the sudden wtf sudden death of the rest of the witches) when she was a child...

[@Travis_Hackney]

The fact that the Padawan has to explain to Jedi knights and a Jedi Master the significance of the twins’ exact same m-count and the way the more senior Jedis immediately go to rationalizing it as a singular consciousness spilt between two bodies in order to explain the twins’ little motto was the stupidest part Also the zabrak space witch lesbo overacting and the psychopathy of her character was just so annoying - what the hell happened to her anyway? And what the hell did trinity do to kill all the other space witch lesbos?

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@Travis_Hackney The Zabrak doesn't like the Jedi, she doesn't trust them and doesn't want them to take her daughter away, She being an over protective mother and openly hostile, letting her emotions obscure the best course of action. And as for Master Indara, my take is she severed the connection of the Witches control over Kelnacca but you can't break the link like that and that was a consequence of their force abilities And Indara's misunderstanding of how their force powers work, That's what I got from the scene.

[@silcoxjakob]

​@@neutronstarpilot4393She misunderstood their power but can overpower a whole coven at once? Hmmm

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@silcoxjakob Are we going to argue Magic? She is a Jedi Master, she does what she can to save her friends, and the Witches were obviously not prepared for their abilities to be counterd in that way. The force kind of works as it needs to, like when Dooku says "this contest cannot be decided through our knowledge of the force" I always feel Yoda probably can but he wants to duel with you to teach you a lesson another way. Here the Jedi is just more prepared than the Witches, Their force abilities in this instance were no match for the Jedi Master.

[@silcoxjakob]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 The way she overpowered the whole coven was stupid

[@silcoxjakob]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 1 jedi master being stronger than a whole coven of witches just doesnt make sense

[@opwave79]

Yeah I didn’t feel like it was worth the wait either. Plus it added more questions that most likely won’t be answered since we have only 30 more minutes left in the series.

[@princekalibas9691]

OSHA: “Where is mother?” May: “Mother is dead!” OSHA: “What have you done?!” May: “Me?! The Jedi killed her!!” OSHA: “You’re LYING!!” *Sol lets go of the bridge. As May falls, he runs to catch Osha who hits her head on the rocks and is knocked out.* OSHA then wakes up on the ship where Sol and the other Jedi lie to her about what happens and she goes on to become a Jedi. Years later, as she’s wrestling with her attachment to her dead mother and sister, she pushes Sol on what happened that night. He tells the truth which causes OSHA to leave the Jedi force confused about how her master could lie to her for all these years. She later finds out that her sister is actually alive so she begrudgingly helps the Jedi to find her. She’s knocked out again in the forest during the big battle and is eventually taken by Qimir. This helps her eventual turn to the dark side make more sense.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

I can't believe they actually added a friggin pop song in the credits.

[@rector0455]

I take it you didn't enjoy Amandala Steinberg's newest banger?

[@lightningleopard8877]

You serious? 😅🤦‍♂️

[@leviosalegolas]

WEEKS. seven WEEKS. my guy couldn't handle a 50 day field trip. maybe if it had been 7 YEARS I could understand, but WEEKS?? I wanted to wait till I've watched the whole show to give it a final verdict because I knew that there were things that still needed to be revealed but man...I can't get over the stupid decision making anymore. Seriously what the hell was that confrontation between Sol, Annisea etc... it made absolutely no sense.

[@KalleBowo]

Yep, going camping with the buddies for 7 weeks is just too much to ask for for a Jedi / Padawan ... 🙄

[@basil_jackson]

The funny part is that it wouldn't really take much to make that make sense. Make the weather shit, giant mosquitoes, some mildly toxic vegetation - boom, a good reason for a bloke trained to be patient since he was a nipper to be fed up with the thing. But nope. A month in chill nature is apparently too much for a Jedi.

[@XandersArcaneStudy]

This. Thor said 7 months, but it was only 7 weeks. 😂

[@lightningleopard8877]

Huh, I thought they said months to 😅

[@achaudhari101]

I mean they’re not sitting around doing nothing for seven weeks.

[@TheCloudCreation]

This show seems like the culmination of an idiot pretending to have intelligence by creating "smart plot twists" to a murder mystery. However, everyone already knew what the answers were going to be and the "smart plot twists" were written on the walls the whole time so no one is shocked by them.

[@Rich_H_1972]

I don't even pirate this s*** now. That's some achievement, Disney!

[@SofieAndMe]

This episode was such a nothingburger that I had to rewind to see what I missed that caused Torbin to yeet himself. I missed nothing. It was a lame misunderstanding caused by irrational acts that Jedi wouldn't do. So, so bad.

[@davidseti]

I have noticed something about the people who defend it with the whole "positivity" in the star wars fandom thing. I noticed after the last week ep everyone kept talking about how attractive the sith guy is. There was nothing about the story, nothing about the lore, just about how he's good looking. People forget the Dark side of the force deteriorates you and I fear going forward Lucasfilm might forget this just for eye candy.

[@Rakshiir]

What I also love is articles who tell you what the show sais about the Jedi, but forgets a) that this breaks lore and b) often the show doesn't even do that. I read that the show is telling us the Jedi aren't good because they take children. But they don't do it according to lore (there is always a choice) and don't even do it in the show. Also read how they are bad because they "throw away" those "not good enough" like Osha, but the show tells us she left because she wanted to. Kind of bad if you can't defend the show because the arguments are really weak or have to claim it does something it doesn't even do.

[@Deuteromis]

That's basically what most Disney defenders do. And when they actually do talk about the plot, writing, and characters, the usually go with: "Well Star Wars has always had bad writing, characters, plot etc." And when you ask for examples, they show their lack of knowledge.

[@chocolatebar6785]

i mean its still better than the people who absolutely hate the show because its “woke” and “is trying to destroy family values” by having characters more complex than “good guys good, bad guys evil” as if that was what starwars was for the past 4 decades meanwhile not actually watching the show and instead watching random videos on yt, often with affiliations with nerdrotic and alex jones(not applying to thor, but other channels like critical drinker or g&g) who do more agenda pushing than disney themselves

[@tigerlancer]

How does qimir understand Sol's guilt, when he has absolutely nothing to do with brendock?

[@davidseti]

@@tigerlancer a good question for another time lol

[@MichaelDeNicola]

Haven't watched the video yet but I'm certain Thor loved the depiction of the Jedi in this one and he loves Sol even more than ever.

[@ChaoticMartian]

😳

[@Deuteromis]

This is why you should watch the entire video before commenting...

[@Blisterdude123]

@@Deuteromis Nobody got time for that any more, gotta get their bad takes out there fast as possible!

[@rclaws3230]

​@@DeuteromisCan people not detect sarcasm any more?

[@Deuteromis]

@@rclaws3230 I mean was it sarcasm? There are people who straight do make comments before watching the entire video.

[@briguy_3840]

The pop song that was played during the end credits really made me cringe. No more mainstream music in Star Wars please Disney.

[@davidevans916]

I know! WTF was that about

[@JoeSpringer97]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="668">11:08</a> Luke: "Will they die?" Yoda: "Difficult to see; Always in motion is the future."

[@Kwolfx]

Kelnacca was looking for quarters but was only finding bottlecaps.

[@rector0455]

RRRRUURRRRUURRWAAARRARRUUURRR! Translate with Gongle translate. (Dang it, not another bottle cap!)

[@JohanMsWorld]

At least I am happy that the Jedi did not do anything stupid or ”un Jedi” that the negative side can prey on - They where portrayed pretty much like Jedi should be portrayed. I am also glad Maes fire did not burn down the stone castle so we can lay that debattexto the side. But I am also confused to why the Jedi feel so guilty over what happen that one will comit sueside and cover thibgs up from the council? I assume that are revealed next week maybe? But glad the Jedi act Jedi like and didnt do anything stuoid from theyre perspective. I am also the only one thinking that the witches (expect the mother) are not dead but rather fainted out cause they where cut of from theyre force chanting rather than dying?

[@rclaws3230]

They're supposed to have superhuman discipline. Instead they whined and went bonkers and were generally chaotic. That's not very Jedi.

[@takuid]

@@rclaws3230 it is insane to call any of these people Jedi..

[@LumVaughan]

Even though they gave us some answers, this episode presented new questions that certainly won’t be answered in the final episode of this season next week. I am glad they didn’t just show the same events again through different eyes, instead we just see more of the big events from 16 years ago. So the Jedi were on this planet due to a ‘vergence’ in the Force, or a suspected vergence, I guess. Shouldn’t they sense it in the Force, like Luke did on Dagobah? To find it they use metal detectors and take plant samples which they run through some test. Four Jedi to search an entire planet for something that we’re not sure what exactly they’re looking for. I got the impression that the Jedi didn’t really know what they were looking for either. Then later we learn that Mae and Osha are clones and are exactly the same, which they think is the vergence - or were they created by the vergence? Who knows? Either way, Osha has a huge M count, perhaps as high (or higher) than Anakin. Of course we don’t get any real answers. Then we have Master Sol acting so immature and rather stupid. “Osha was meant to be my padawan!”. He ran around and seemed a bit too interested in making Osha his padawan. At least the Jedi Council, when they were contacted, acted logically, but the whole incident was caused by both sides acting impulsively and foolishly. The witches seem far more sinister and dangerous in this episode. When Mother Aniseya possessed Torbin it definitely had some dark side evil vibes going on, not merely a mother protecting her child. But that wasn’t really explained and could have just been a red herring to fool us into thinking Torbin would be used by the witches to fight the Jedi, when - somehow-it was actually Kelnacca. What was the deal with the witches’ ‘black mist’ form? When Aniseya changed into it, I sure couldn’t blame Master Sol for attacking her, but why did she take that form? Did she do it to go help Mae and Osha? Since Mae saw Sol kill Aniseya, what more could he explain to Mae about what happened that night? Mae was still to blame for most of it, though she tried to put out the fire she started then ran to get help. But it was Mother Koril who fired her up “Get angry” she told her, which certainly sounded like something a Sith would do. And we don’t see Koril die (or did I miss it?) so she can reappear in season 2 or next week’s episode. Perhaps she is Qimir’s master after all. And how exactly did all the witches possess Kelnacca’s mind? Was it because he was a ‘primitive’ Wookiee and thus easy to control? It took all of them, yet Indara pulled him out of it all by herself. Then the witches all fall back and later when Sol and Osha are escaping, we see that they are dead. Did they die as a result of Indara freeing Kelnacca? Who knows, it isn’t clear at all. Then we have the whole conversation on the ship before Osha wakes up. Sol wants to go confess to the Jedi council, Indara persuades him to not exactly lie, but heavily minimize the Jedi involvement in the incident and lay it on Mae’s hands. At least we see Sol trying to save both girls on the collapsing bridge until he has to let it go and manages to grab Osha. After he had Kelnacca beat the crap out of him, it was believable that he would be a bit weak. So far, no sign of Qimir on the scene 16 years earlier, and frankly I’m glad, that would have been a bit too much coincidence. My overall opinion of this episode is that the Jedi seemed a bit out of character (at least those down on the planet looking for the vergence) and all of them were not very wise, even Sol. The witches were much more dark side in this episode and were clearly partially to blame for what happened, especially Mother Koril, who fired everyone up. The ‘searching for a vergence’ explanation for the Jedi’s presence seemed a bit hokey - aren’t there scanners on ships that could have detected at least one settlement, albeit small in size, of intelligent life? Since all the witches used ‘magic’ that was likely Force based, shouldn’t they have been able to sense this concentration of Force users when they landed on the planet? The Jedi act so surprised to find people there too --- a lush planet and the whole galaxy has starships, so why wouldn’t some people come there to live if they wanted to get away from something. That wouldn’t be that odd at all. What the heck is the ‘vergence’ on this planet anyway? Was Osha and Mae the vergence, or were they created as a result of the vergence? This hints strongly of Anakin’s origin and I’m hoping they don’t try to somehow tie it in somehow, though it would take place around 90 years before Anakin was born. Sol seemed very immature in this episode and Torbin was a whiney padawan that just wanted to go back to Coruscant. Still, I don’t think he’d feel such guilt that 16 years later he’d kill himself over it. The whole incident was bad, but not something really terrible. The Jedi didn’t really kill very many of the witches - perhaps the only witch who they directly killed was Mother Aniseya when she took that mist form. I could see Mae wanting revenge, but for Sol and Torbin (and maybe Kelnacca) to feel overwhelming guilt seems a bit much. Sol would feel guilt for Aniseya and for not being able to save Mae (though now he knows she survived). The witches really started the whole thing by attacking the Jedi, though the Jedi should have just not barged in. Overall, it was a so-so episode and they were somewhat fairer in passing the blame around than I imagined that they would, but it still seemed to be a weak story that left more questions than it answered.

[@vituia]

The most important question you need to ask is this.... Am I Gay?

[@Deuteromis]

Well Headland said she likes keeping stuff vauge, just because.

[@Christo_Trismegistus]

@@vituia does Smilo Ren get you going? If so then the answer is maybe

[@MyLibertyTV]

They explained that the planet was previously charted as barren and uninhabitable for life, then suddenly found to be thriving. The Jedi had theorized a vergence in the force had spontaneously created life on the planet and were seeking evidence to support the theory. It is dumb that they didn’t detect the fortress and the coven life signs from orbit though. The giant mountain fortress should have been the first thing noticed on an orbital survey before they even landed.

[@TheRealLiark]

I’m not even a writer but I could’ve saved the episode all these new questions. Have Torbin have a sick mother at home or something. Show Indara using the force on someone’s mind against Mae in Ep. 1 to show she could’ve done all that to the witches controlling Kelnacca in this one. Show mother Aniseya using black mist powers in Ep. 3. At this point, Mae could’ve just thrown the fire first at Osha, osha ducked, the room caught fire, Mae closes the door because she wants OSHA dead, then the episode carries on. And I’m assuming the witchs also manipulated Kelnacca’s desires too, wish we knew what those were, maybe give us a Han and Chewy dialogue so we know what he says. Qimir definitely used to be Sol’s padawan and he feels guilty about failing Qimir, so that’s probably next episode. Also, Mae had enough time on the bridge to at least allude to the fact that one of the Jedi killed their mother, then osha could’ve gone all “the Jedi wouldn’t do that right? They’re good” and then Sol saves her to confirm that to her. They really do love to bury the lead and then call it a “mystery” show.

[@loliamnot13]

I laughed so hard when Indara frees Kelnacca’s mind and all the witches just dramatically drop dead

[@Solo13508]

I got the impression that Indara knocked out all the witches who were then killed by Mae's fire.

[@xrich1577]

I thought indara killed the witches. Their bodies don’t look burnt.

[@KoolAidBuzz]

@@xrich1577 I agree with you. As soon as she "evicted" them from jedi wookiee they all dropped dead together. Don't think fire killed them at all.

[@twincast2005]

​@@KoolAidBuzz If your big bad collective ritual to take over a single Jedi kills all of you if you get kicked out, it's phenomenally useless and stupid. They obviously weren't burnt when Osha and Sol ran past them, but the most reasonable assumption is that their unconscious bodies were left to die in the fire. That said, given what a level 9000 idiot Koril was being throughout this, it's not unthinkable that they were already dead.

[@romelmunoz7957]

​@@twincast2005you could say the power of many is damn useless against a master Jedi 😅😅😅

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@twincast2005 It's a consequence of their force abilities, Without a Jedi Master present to break the connection I imagine it's quite effective, But Indara misunderstood how their force powers work and the Witches paid a price for attempting something dangerous with their powers.

[@generalkenobi9782]

Hell yeah here we go bois, grab your popcorn. We’re in for a treat

[@kahopukehau]

She has an agenda in her writing. It's okay for Darth Sleeveless to crave a padawan so bad that we have 5-6 episodes of his story yet the Jedi "Sol" has his need for a padawan explained in one episode. You can say and argue there's no agenda in the writing but when you spend half the season trying to get sympathy for one side but are able to explain the motives for the opposite side with that has the same intention in just one episode, something is clearly wrong there.

[@chocolatebar6785]

ah yes because having a SITH trying to make the darkside seem less evil must be “shitty agenda writing” to absolutely destroy traditional values and not the show conveying how manipulative and self centered the sith are because as we all know star wars has always been apolitcal, especially the prequels

[@alexkarter5854]

@@chocolatebar6785 the person comments on the matter of writing, on the matter of screen time, direction, and you answer as if it was a point about dialogue and characters. They are not saying it's some sort of alien thing to star wars to have a sith have human motivations and to spend time explaining them, they are saying someone wrote it, someone specifically thought to write it this way, show it for episodes, drag the point across. If it's not agenda it's bad writing, pick your poison. I would say it's mostly bad writing with some agenda trying to cover it up. And prequels are not "political" in the sense that people criticize modern shows, it's about the Evil plotting and subjugating power, it's not meant to defend some point, it's just politics from an objective side, everyone can agree on the points conveyed and then agree or disagree with the characters themselves. Just like the og star wars have one big fascist empire that kills billions, it's political somewhat but in the most crude obvious way. If there are any non-trivial messages they are subtle and mostly about morals overall. Even sequels dont have any real political messages, it's just good vs evil, with some excessive Mary Sueism on top, though they have plenty of other things to be ridiculed for. So stop pretending it's all the same.

[@kahopukehau]

@@alexkarter5854 yes exactly thank you, the point is either way it’s objectively just horrible writing and direction.

[@intheprettypink]

The "metal detectors" looked more like swifter wet jets.

[@lllXanderlll]

I really liked the part where the evil twin sat the book on fire and then acted shocked that the book was on fire. I get it can be a moment of "oh no what have I done ?!" but man was that a goofy ass scene

[@kirkdarling4120]

Did they not tell Torbin why they were going to Brendok before they left Coruscant? The way the writers dangled the information of the plot with such clear writer artifices just to extend air time continues to be annoying. Soooooo...after 16 years is the Vergeance on Brendock no longer important?

[@keegobricks9734]

using metal detectors to find forced virgins? what?

[@robertagren9360]

In the past they used the force

[@rector0455]

It's a parody, bro, just like Space Balls. 😆 Member when they were literally combing the desert?

[@BizznessBox]

Whoever wrote this show would make a great PE teacher

[@jameshill4900]

This show is beyond confused and things make even less sense now. Torbin offed himself over this? Unbelievable there is only episode left to try to wrap up the mess of a story.

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

Torbin allowed the Witches in his head they manipulated him and amplified his desire to go home And that made his rash actions the catalyst for everything that happened, He feels like he failed as a Jedi From that perspective I could see guilt like that building inside of someone. He feels responsible for all thoes lives.

[@jameshill4900]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 A fully trained Jedi Wookiee couldn't resist the witches powers yet Torbin felt like he a padawan failed so badly? His guilt was so bad that he continued his training, became a Jedi Knight, then even became a Jedi Master, only to then wait hovering for 10 years for someone to bring him specifically poison to kill himself. This whole story feels like a first rough draft with characters actions that only make sense to move the story a certain direction. This was billed as a mystery and this was the big reveal episode? 7 out of 8 episodes now done with so little real content or substance to show for it.

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@jameshill4900I think he's meditating to deal with the situation, it's his attempt at therapy. Have you ever done anything you felt incredibly guilty about or you feel like you let someone down, until someone pulled you to one side and explained the situation and helped you through it? Imagine if you never got that. It's one thing to think or Imagine how you would deal with something but then we should also consider other people process emotions differently And then as part of your religion you have a more complicated relationship with your emotions.

[@jameshill4900]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 The key word you use is imagine. I look on what is on the screen and what is written as I watch and base my opinions on what I actually see. This is just a very poorly done story and overall executed show.

[@cklambo]

Jedi master torbin should have been at peace with his guilt after so long meditating & in tune with the force. Thats the whole point. He would not hav been granted the rank of master if he still felt so strongly about it.

[@daruekeller]

what have they got down in that pit? I bet we'll never know.

[@Deuteromis]

Sounds about right.

[@takuid]

sarlacc lmao. he peeks out "hello, there" from time to time. Thats it.

[@keepmovingforward1722]

I’m just waiting for the fan edit to trim all the garbage and fat

[@ExpertContrarian]

How would that work? There would be nothing left to watch

[@keepmovingforward1722]

@@ExpertContrarian I haven’t watched the show at all so I’m hoping a fanedit would be a better experience

[@daruekeller]

@@ExpertContrarian well, I think the goal would be to see just how short the whole thing could be made. I suspect something right around the two hour mark is very achievable.

[@Sam_T2000]

I wonder if there’s a way to just edit Osha out of the show and just make it about Mae out for revenge against Sol… probably not 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@aulvinduergard9952]

What would've happened if the witches had let Osha do she wanted: The witches would've lived, Osha would've been trained by the Jedi, Osha would've left the Jedi, Osha would've had a place to return to, And Osha would add a different philosophical worldview to the witch coven, thereby increasing their understanding of the Force/Thread. Well done, witches, you played yourself.

[@2009johndoyle]

7 months to find the only house on the planet

[@twincast2005]

Unless my eyes and ears betrayed me, they've only been on the planet for seven weeks, not months. Either way, Torbin was already a bored, homesick brat of a padawan before Aniseya got into his mind, so the stupid rushing-off to extract the twins is purely on him (and Sol for joining). Other than that, full agreement on this episode.

[@jetsurge250]

They turned Sol into a creep in this episode. Why the fuck was he so obsessed with Osha?

[@jsim5475]

I know right? It's like He wanted to show her his saber and his force push... disney content has always been disturbing.. they are the empire

[@Deuteromis]

Headland worked under Weinstein afterall...

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@jetsurge250 I think he feels like a Father for the first time he feels an innate instinct to care an emotion he can feel through the force, he is more emotional about it than say Qui Gon, but Qui Gon is a more Experienced Jedi when we first meet him This is a similar situation to Qui Gon and Anakin and wanting to remove a child from a bad situation to provide a better life.

[@takuid]

@@neutronstarpilot4393 Nothing like Qui Gon. Nothing.

[@neutronstarpilot4393]

@@takuid It is though, in a lot of ways.

[@Deuteromis]

Headland said she took inspiration from Rashamon, but this episode implies she only skimmed the Cliff's Notes.

[@takuid]

she really thinks so highly of herself lmao. the idiot who could not clean the toilets on Rashamon's set is getting inspired by it, what a wonderful world..

[@TheManInBlueFlames]

I’m surprised you’re still quite respectful after things being desecrated EVEN MORE!

[@CastleArchon]

This one time...at band camp...

[@shirak8]

This show is obviously written by people who do not understand accountability

[@tedetienne7639]

You're very kind to Mother Aniseya, saying that she simply "messed with" Torbin's mind. I would call what she did: an assault. She physically attacked him, using the Force. If the police (which the Jedi are, effectively) stopped by my house to perform a welfare check on my children, and I pre-emptively attacked one of them, I doubt they would respond with such a laissez-faire attitude. So again, Headland portrays the Jedi far more kindly than she might think she's doing.

[@emberfist8347]

@@tedetienne7639 there is a term for what she did. It is called mind rape.

[@w4lk4]

Oh God.. there's another one already? I've been following you for years, Thor, and I'm so sorry you have to sit through this.

[@movinon1242]

If Sol had not been a melodramatic drama jedi, we would never had had _The Acolyte_

[@takuid]

Disney's Qui Gon folks. how easily fooled you all are, yall know who you are...

[@Kitica95]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="845">14:05</a> why doent he just hold the two 30kg sisters in the air insted of holding the whole metal bridge.

[@jgr7487]

Anakin's birth was really miraculous, while that of the twins kinda looks like magical IVF, almost Force cloning. Sol looks like a very emotional version of Qui-Gon: someone who listens to the will of the Force, but is still reluctant about doing the right thing in spite of the orders of the Council.

[@r2b289]

We don't even know why the witch wants to keep the girl in their coven is so important ... As if osha leaves the coven, they will all die ... But there are no threats... No reason for them to be scared ?

[@AndyTheGypsy]

This show is the creepiest thing ever. Damn these Devils for taking our beloved IP & perverting it

[@deathbourne4168]

What? The mystery boxes don’t pay off?!? I’m shocked! SHOCKED!!!!

[@danpearman270]

Oh! 'vergence in the Force'. I swear I kept hearing you say they were looking for 'virgins in the Force' (which made the metal detectors seem really strange 🤣)

[@northphillyp]

I rolled my eyes at this episode at least 3 times..a whole bunch of nothing we already knew