The TURNING POINT in Robert's journey of leaving insomnia (Talking insomnia

In this edition of Talking insomnia we get to hear Insomnia immunity graduate Robert who's life was turned upside down by an intense sleep struggle.
We learn of medication cocktails, a several day hospitalization and how a perfectly timed trip catalyzed his journey back to feeling well and feeling like himself again.
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Would you like to work with one of our certified sleep coach? Awesome! Here are some great options:
The Insomnia Immunity Group Coaching Program.
BedTyme, a sleep coaching app for iOS and Android offering 1:1 text based coaching.
Zoom based 1:1 coaching with Coach Michelle or Coach Daniel.
The Insomnia Immunity program is perfect if you like learning through video and want to join a group on your journey towards sleeping well.
BedTyme is ideal if you like to learn via text and have a sleep coach in your pocket.
The 1:1 Zoom based program is for you if you like to connect one on one with someone who has been where you are now.
Find out more about these programs here:
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Do you like learning by reading? If so, here are two books that offer breakthroughs!
Tales of Courage by Daniel Erichsen
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Set it & Forget it by Daniel Erichsen
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Would you like to become a Sleep Hero by supporting the Natto movement on Patreon? If so, that’s incredibly nice of you 😊. And here’s the link to do just that:
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Not sure where to start on your path to sleeping well? Check out these playlists!
This is natto - the perfect place to start learning!
• This is Natto - Start ...
Success stories - if you need hope and inspiration, this is for you.
• Success stories
Insomnia insight - a list of every single episode.
• Playlist
Talking insomnia - guests with trouble sleeping or experts share their stories / tips.
• Talking insomnia
Hypnic jerks, hypnic awareness and other common issues.
• Hypnic jerks and more.
Fatal insomnia - for those concerned about ffi and sfi.
• Familial and sporadic ...
Speed bumps - when you think you had a setback or “relapse.”
• Talking insomnia #55: ...
Unrefreshing sleep - when you always feel tired or exhausted.
• Unrefreshing sleep
Momsomnia - if you’re a mom or becoming a mom.
• Momsomnia
Heard online - when you’ve worried about claims made about health problems and insomnia.
• Heard online
Best!
This content does not constitute medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment, and should never replace any advice given to you by your physician or other qualified healthcare providers.

[@Lopsa192]

finally found this channel. I've had severe chronic insomnia for more than 20 years. Thank You. I think the heavens finally answered me. I will watch them all!

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

🤗!!

[@vassarstephanie]

I thought i was the only one who ended up in the psych ward because of this!! I appreciated this video so much.

[@Stephthechickenlady]

I was in a really bad way. Planning on how my husband could look after our kids without me. The only reason I didn't end up in there was not one person asked me if I was suicidal. My hubby certainly knew, I just thought I was broken and I'd never be okay again. I hope you're doing well now!!

[@heyohriver95]

I've been having some success and longer stretches of good sleep. Like a week or two weeks. The bad nights seem to be coming less and less. Though some of those nights are quite terrible, I somehow can sleep perfectly the night after. There have been a few times I was so close to using meds, but it seems the minute I am ready to give up, I have a good night. Your video on being willing to be awake has really made a difference. Sometimes I even like being up in the middle of the night. All that to say, I just like to pop in here and give myself a bit of exposure therapy to make sure my brain isn't avoiding these videos in fear of bringing the insomnia back. I hope this comment finds someone and gives them some peace. Things really do improve. It's not quick or easy, but it comes. Don't let the insomnia win.

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Thanks so much for the willingness to do this heart work and for helping people in our community 🙏 And if I’d pick something truly insightful here, it’s “the minute I’m ready to give up, I have a good night” - when giving up means giving up the struggle, the attempt to have control…. It truly is the way.

[@DaRkShOOT64]

This story gave me so much hope! I struggle less since being kind and positive and living life normally even on no sleep I still struggle to face and let go of the anxiety at night sometimes but it will take time i know and hope that i will not eliminate the anxiety of my life but just let it go and be ok with it !

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

I’m so glad you found it and that it brought some hope. I’m also glad that things have gotten a bit easier, and what your share here I think it’s the way, rooting for you!

[@Stephthechickenlady]

I have now been off all medications for 3 weeks. Im sleeping at least a little every single night, and some nights I'm sleeping great. Just experienced a very traumatic event and was sure that id be right back to the beginning again, however i didnt spiral, and ive realised that i can cope, that i am doing this, and sleep is still happening despite increased anxiety.

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

This is really so nice to hear, all thanks to your readiness to see things from a different perspective 😊

[@CJC1512]

THIS IS ME!! oh my gosh, the trazodone, the melatonin, everything!!

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

It can help so so much seeing these similarities, hope it will for you 🙂

[@aya123444]

Let's go!!! Sleep is our natural normal state ❤ just need to calm and relax our minds and TRUST sleep.

[@carolmorehead5507]

Amazing & inspiring story for those of us still on this journey ❤

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

So glad you found it 😊

[@Stephthechickenlady]

That first time in 3 months when i go to bed, fall asleep then open my eyes and it was morning. Could not believe it.

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

A magical moment!

[@jamethomp89]

I meant to comment on this video months ago... Robert, thanks for being a mutual sounding board while we were both in the program. Glad to see you on the "other side"!

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Thank you for your heartfelt comment! We want to assure you that your comments are seen and deeply appreciated. Your support means a lot!

[@robertwaters7555]

Hey Jamie! I was seriously JUST thinking about you and wondering how things have been going on your end. Hoping all is well. Would love to get in touch and catch up if you're up for it. Unfortunately it doesn't appear KZbin allows you to message other users, so we'd have to find another way to connect...

[@pergolafish]

@@robertwaters7555 Could you give a bit more detail on how your attitude accepted the lack of sleep once you accepted Daniel's program? It would be helpful. I'm trying to do that but it's tough.

[@robertwaters7555]

@@pergolafish I'd be happy to. Attitude is such a big factor in both the perpetuation of insomnia and the recovery from insomnia. When I was deep in the doldrums of insomnia, my attitude was terrible. I was miserable because I thought there was no recovering and my life was ruined, and I'd lay in bed all night trying to force myself to sleep while in a state of heightened anxiety. As a result, my condition only got worse and worse. Once I got involved with Daniel's program and started seeing some indications that I could perhaps sleep again is when things started to shift. Those magic moments were typically very minor occurrences in the early days, things like passing out on the couch for a few seconds while reading, but they were critical because they gave me hope that recovery was possible. On top of that foundation of hope, it's also important to remember that lack of sleep on its own is not going to hurt you. I spent many nights getting little to no sleep during my insomnia experience and I sit here today no worse off than I was before it all began. Once you have the hope and knowledge you need, it becomes easier to have a positive attitude. Don't get me wrong, recovery can be long and hard, and there will be times when it's tough to remain positive, but trust me when I say it's worth it. There's only so much info I can convey in a KZbin comment. I'd recommend checking out Sasha Stephen's books 'The Effortless Sleep Method' and 'The Effortless Sleep Companion' as they contain a lot of good information about the importance of positive thinking in the insomnia recovery process.

[@ackphilchi6880]

I'm glad that Robert is on the road to recovery but for the most part he was on medication so it's hard to determine whether he was actually struggling but glad to hear that he tapered off by following the Sleep Coach teachings

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

I think the word recovery can be tricky because we can think of insomnia like a disorder whereby if we still take a medicine, then we must not have recovered. But, there are millions of people who sleep great, love life, live freely and take a sleeping pill or vitamin. Do we think of them as ill? Not really... we can be completely free even if we take some vitamin or pill!

[@michellechang2538]

Thank Daniel for inviting Robert to share the journey of insomnia successful story. It always inspired me when I hear these stories, I’m so grateful for Daniel continuing your effort to help the insomnia community regardless how tough the each story might be….. hope & love ❤️

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Anytime Michelle, I’m really just so very grateful that people are willing to be guests and share open inspiration. And also so grateful for support like yours 🙏😊!

[@soblessedchelsea59]

These stories give me hope. I have tapered off medication in the past but I am now having a speed bump. I have been having a couple weeks of doing well then I have a bad night. I get to the point where I feel I have enough confidence to taper but then boom a bad night and I lose my confidence. I hope to get back to a good place without medication.

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

So so glad to hear, hope can be so helpful. And I think Robert’s journey especially can help here. He was expecting there to be less sleep as he tapered, which can take away some of the reaction. But what I think also helps is the self kindness, not pushing oneself, this is what leads to where we went to be, like in a peaceful place without medication 😊

[@danh2310]

I'm using mirtazapine and wanting to come off aswell. I've been sleeping most nights using them but don't want to be relying on them . Even though I'm sleeping most nights the sleep anxiety still hasn't fully left me. It's all mind over matter

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

@danh2310 you’ll get there 👍

[@angelamillay]

So nice to see Roberts story, he was in team orange with me for a bit, so great to see him doing well. Hoping I can get to a place where I’m not struggling as much.

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Hi Angela, So glad you saw this, someone you overlapped with doing well. And you know, when we are willing to learn and do some heart work, we arrive where we went to be :)

[@annaswiatowska1800]

Such a powerful and touch g story. Kudos to Robert for such perseverence on his journey

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Thanks so much 🙏!

[@Haavi57]

I have this weird thing that when my life is stressfull, for example i just moved some months ago and started university so a lot of changes and I`ve slept like a baby. However as soon as I started falling into a familiar routine and workout schedule all my bad sleeping habits and anxiety started kicking in again and it just seems counter intuitive for what most people experience.

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

This observation is spot on, and what it shows is that when our attention is on a “bigger threat” than not sleeping, sleep happens by itself. But when things externally are more routine, our brain focuses on not sleep as a threat and we can have some struggle. Just seeing this and knowing it’s very common can help much

[@jeanned386]

Thank goodness for his parents. He’s got a lovely George Clooney voice. What is CBTI?

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Hi Jeanne, it stands for cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia

[@lakegirl7729]

Love your content, thank you!!

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

🤗!

[@اللهمعي-و1ز]

Hi daniel how to differenciate between sleeping better as a result of the timeless sleeping window or as a result of acceptance and befriending wakefulness

[@اللهمعي-و1ز]

​​@@johnmonk3381yes true. But if you will be OK with any outcome then sleep will come automatically.

[@mh-mo4bj]

Does everyone experience racing thoughts/a chatty brain when trying to sleep, but it’s just our REACTION to those thoughts and the frustration we attach to them that keeps us awake? Or do normal sleepers have quiet brains before sleep?

[@Sophie10925]

From my experience before insomnia I had thoughts before sleep but I let them flow. There was no reaction to the thoughts and no controlling. Now when I try to sleep I start to monitor my thougts and feelings automatically and try to control them a lot..

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Yes, we all have thoughts all the time! It’s like you said, how we react is what makes a difference. Sophie, in the last few months we did and episode on sleep monitoring, that I hope can help.

[@اللهمعي-و1ز]

hi daniel thanks for your help and support Actually I'm experiencing a new speed bump because I'm conserned about health issues caused by insomnia i know that nothing is proved but something inside me always says what if ...what if ...especially after discovering the fatal insomnia in the channel i know i don't have it but i have thoughts like what if i will have it in the future what if the speedbump will last for a long time because am a bit concerned about fatal insomnia please i need your advice and help

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Anytime, and you know, insomnia insight 468 is on this topic, I hope it can help

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

No it’s insomnia insight 469!

[@اللهمعي-و1ز]

Thanks Daniel you are a star 😊

[@اللهمعي-و1ز]

@@johnmonk3381 yeah it makes sense

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

@user-kp5im7dy9s what we’re doing here could only be possible thanks to support like yours, the true star 😊!!

[@ayoaye2276]

I had an acute episode of psychosis, and during my time at the mental health hospital I associated sleep with death because I thought the staff were trying to kill me (they had shined a light in my eyes) which they should do routinely. but they took some artistic licence because I was so afraid so they were probably having a laugh to themselves at my reaction. I have not slept since I am at the end of my tenure at the hospital I will be released this coming tuesday (I'm currently on supervised release) , but sleep is not happening. I am on Quetiapine for psychosis.

[@xxgulaggodxx885]

How long since you slept?

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Hang in there, sounds like a really difficult time. Hope you can find much here that will help, rooting for you

[@actualityfilms]

Hi Daniel, just complete a 2 month of an and off speedbump after sleeping well for 4 months. I've been sleeping well again for two weeks. The pressure isn't building as much as before about sleeping streaks -- either because my mind is letting go or I'm telling myself to focus on being okay with being awake. I'm hoping this is the final "fade out" of the insomnia since my mind has investigated the fear of not sleeping after sleeping well a long time (according to Alina). How does the end of insomnia generally look like in the final fade out weeks or months?

[@actualityfilms]

@@johnmonk3381 Thanks. My insomnia started a year ago and I figure most people recover from 3 months (quickly) to 2 years (max I've heard). Aline describes the brain running out of ideas about fear. That's what it feels like at the moment and hopefully that's where I'm at. I go to bed with slight fear or not sleeping but then I just tell myself it's okay if I don't sleep. Just wondering when even this thought finally fades away. You're saying my insomnia will come back for sure or does it sound like I'm in my final fade out?

[@actualityfilms]

@@johnmonk3381 You mean chronic insomnia with speedbumps or just the occasional sleepless night like pre-insomnia? What was your timelines of recovery in terms of total months?

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Hi again, and thanks for sharing what’s been happening. You know, things getting easier and then some speed bumps, this is how the struggle fades for so many. Now, how exactly is the final fade out? We don’t know but, I’ll say like Drew Linsalata says, recovery is when we no longer wonder if we are recovered or not, it’s like the struggle is irrelevant, there’s nothing of interest there anymore. And yes, disinterest happens when our brain realizes there’s no control to be had.

[@actualityfilms]

@@thesleepcoachschool8192 Thanks Daniel! I know you like movie analogies so I feel like Dave Bowman shutting down the HAL computer. HAL goes on protesting and mumbling for awhile.

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

@actualityfilms anytime, and yes, that’s a nice one 😊 I can see how there’s some grumbling from so brain cells that aren’t yet entirely sure we can turn off the alarm, but we can!

[@ackphilchi6880]

Daniel, is Roberts progression to recovery normal? If not mistaken he said it only took 2 weeks from the time he implemented your teachings which is unusual

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

I'd say there's no "normal" recovery, everyone has a different path! But it's not unusual that we find relief soon after understanding insomnia

[@OfficialGaming11_]

Hey Daniel. I slept great for months one bad night for no reason put me stuck in this insomnia loop. When I go to bed try to sleep dose of I can feel I get an elevated heart rate and I go wee wee like 6 times and I feel the worry of not falling asleep. I think my body goes into a fight or flight mode fearing about not sleeping. I slept great for months 8 hours a day literally one bad night for no reason at all made me scared of insomnia then I noticed a few times I fall asleep but like get a jerk jump with a faster heart rate keep going wee wee. I remember I had something like this in this year April for a few nights. This speedbump is sticking around longer. Any tips Daniel thanks 😊

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Hang in there! It’s often when we think something unusual is going on and we look for that particular clue that will give us relief that the looking itself makes us struggle. But seeing that there’s never really any difference between the struggle then and now, or from person to person, that can lead us to no longer look for clues as we understand already. This can help much, rooting for you!

[@OfficialGaming11_]

@@thesleepcoachschool8192 thanks Daniel for replying. It’s just been so hard and worrying. I slept fine yesterday 6 hours but today I’m thinking will I sleep tonight ? Will I sleep but keep waking up ? Will I get anxiety it’s just a horrible thing to go through. Then I started googling it said it’s a neurological disorder. But I discovered from buying your book and watching your vids it’s not a health condition at all insomnia is not related to illness unless you broke your ribs or got pain. But insomnia is a fear of not sleeping but our brains relate it to illness as we fear so much and we think very negative. Even me knowing Insomnia is not a neurological issue but why do I still worry when I get in bed about sleep ?????????

[@francomunoz2121]

Hi Daniel. What do I do when feeling sleepy at bedtime but the moment I lay in bed the sleep drive disappears?

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Hi, I think this can really help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZ6Qn6qVf8ucoqMsi=MZR_WOzAYVvvnPWb

[@lasmadidrihsone-upmale623]

How can i get in that programm you are talking about?

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

To get more information about the program, I suggest checking out our website. You can find all the details you need at www.thesleepcoachschool.com/.

[@dodgdurango6128]

Here I go sleeping good again and then bam 💥 I get covid and I can’t sleep because I can’t breathe 😂😂😂😂

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Oh man! Sorry to hear, hoping you’ll feel Well soon!

[@jonastoigobittencourt1094]

Daniel, how do you deal with the burden of taking sleeping medication and knowing that you should stop taking it? Every night I go to bed feeling sleepy and try not to take the medicine to see if I can sleep without it, but when I see that I'm not going to sleep, I end up taking it. Would it be correct to make a decision and follow through? Or take it and go to bed? Or don't take it and accept what comes? (I have a situation where I can't sleep without medication since this speed bump started - I wasn't aware of your channel before)

[@thesleepcoachschool8192]

Hey there! Thanks for sharing your experience. Just a quick heads-up: we're hosting live Q&A sessions most weeks and we'd love for you to join us! It's a great chance to ask questions, share insights, and connect with others in the community.