The New Honda Civic Si is a True Enthusiast Value Proposition - One Take

[@wecrouch]

A young driver with one of these will become a lifelong enthusiast. Not just of Hondas, but of driving in general. Cars like this are incredibly important to the community.

[@ffwingman329]

Well said

[@normanparthiban4383]

Agreed. Such a practical car and and fwd makes it accessible to everyone regardless of climate. As a young driver, I’m in between this and a GR86 or a Miata. GR86 seems a bit expensive for what it is honestly and lacks the practicality. But rwd is enticing.

[@kyleyates8172]

@@normanparthiban4383 I bought a Lincoln ls when I was 20 n loved it, then had a 80 something 2 door ford escort lx for 250 bucks n then a zx3 focus n then an lx thunderbird, rwd is way more fun hands down. Now I'm working on building up my envoy so I can tear up service roads n sand dunes without breaking everything

[@racerx9931]

A "young driver with one of these will" find the wall really quick.. Kids today drive too fast, don't know what to do when they get loose.. SLOW DOWN !!

[@normanparthiban4383]

@@racerx9931 young kids have always driven fast. Time and place for it.

[@garf117]

I appreciate you banging it off the rev limiter. Really showing what most Honda drivers will put these through. ~A 30 year old Honda die hard

[@mattriggs301]

Specs wise it really seems like a modern day 4 door prelude/CL (I know they made the TL too). Similarish power/weight good manual trans decent sound. Sure both of those cars were based on the accord platform, but the accords have gotten bigger and heavier. I'm a fan.

[@garf117]

@@mattriggs301 imma be honest. I need to drive it to decide. I've had ever gen Civic si except the ep3 and fg4. This one seems like a less sporty version of the 10th gen... But you never know till you give it a go.

[@mattriggs301]

@@garf117 I'm gonna be honest. I haven't followed much of the Civic generations and as much as I love the concept of the Type R. The most recent ones look kind of heinous to me(type R or just regular civic but I also really dislike hatches). Not BMW M3 front grille heinous but still not great. I'm sure they're great cars to drive and looks are subjective. Just not my personal taste so I'm rather uninformed as far as personal experience goes.

[@bbartlow0307]

I know... and that's exactly how most enthusiasts enjoy their cars. I was really excited about this car until they announced engine specs. Going to be a pain in the butt to drive.

[@guy990]

Redline at 6500, I remember when those Sis would get into vtec at that rpm! Looks fun though

[@mistamaog]

My Si hits VTEC at 5k rpm haha

[@ThePorkTree]

sure with worse gas mileage, a totally different torque curve/powerband etc. I miss the days of screamers too, but we gotta be reasonable about what we expect now :(

[@wazewaze8185]

5600 rpm*

[@non-fictionaltoughguy1208]

My 8th Gen Vtec 6-8k can’t beat that sound

[@wazewaze8185]

@@non-fictionaltoughguy1208 bro vtec starts at 5600

[@TheJacobshapiro]

I like that it redlines in 2nd gear at 53! So many companies give their car long gearing so that they reach 60mph in fewer shifts for a better 0-60 time despite it making the car slower in reality. Thank you Honda for doing the right thing and giving it short gearing!

[@DivergentAlex]

My car goes to 84 in second. I wish it went to 55 or 60 in second. Honda made a good choice here.

[@bbartlow0307]

It was more emissions driven (CARB requirements) than an intentional design feature. The new TLX (and most other cars) are doing the same thing, out of necessity -- provide all the power and TQ up front before flat-lining. Gone are the days of a normal power curve.

[@2strokeFORever]

@@NeightrixPrime lol yes I remember doing 85mph at like 5k in 5th in my buddys em1 Si

[@djaric]

MY 2018 Si redlines at 58 in second.

[@trevor756]

For those who like to drive fast and with precision, Matt does the best KZbin reviews. He's an excellent driver, he communicates well, and he really puts the cars through their paces! I like his methodical approach in this review, especially. He notices and shares the kind of super specific but potentially deal-breaking details (gearing, pedal placement, rev hang, etc.) that I can usually only find on owners forums.

[@TheAngryDuckman]

SavageGeese also shares these details.

[@arunavachatterjee2433]

I had forgotten how very well he drives. Mmmmf.

[@augustsawzak5401]

And he talks about it from the perspective of road driving, not just handling in ideal circumstances on a racetrack

[@jonathanhidalgo4591]

Wow…. A manufacturer that prioritizes fun and engagement over outright speed and numbers. A rarity in this day and age, What a delight! Hopefully other manufacturers see the light (looking at you BMW)

[@nighthawk0077]

Very true, too bad that's all so many Honda fanboys look at..

[@SVW1976]

This is very much the formula behind my Forte GT. I can only assume this Civic is just more refined.

[@turbochoochoo]

I feel bad for the people who think cars need more horsepower to be fun. This looks like a perfect daily driver. Looks good, sounds good, handles well, a bit quick. It does exactly what it's supposed to do.

[@jaimykok6533]

You can have a lot of fun with 200hp, it's all about weight and chassis balance

[@mistamaog]

It's not that they're looking for 300+HP, just a noticeable bump after each generation.

[@simonpz4159]

i owned cars with decent power, but the most car i had for a daily driver was my 2014 fiesta ST... traded for an STi back in the day and the STi while much quicker wasnt as fun to drive

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

More horsepower is more fun. I've driven them rwd cuckboxes and they're so slow and tail happy. Horrible cars, especially if you're like me spoiled by phsyics defying FWD cars.

[@The_Stanman]

Agreed. It's fun to actually rev out and push a car. As I've gotten more powerful (and turbocharged) cars, I rarely get the chance to hit redline in daily city driving.

[@Mayor-McCheese]

I quite like it, a usable, affordable,and reliable sedan with a manual not bad on this one Honda

[@psalmco2425]

@hon solo i wonder how much power they would give the type R then? Cuz the last Ctr was rated at 320 crank but dyno'd at 295 whp

[@JacesOwnWorld]

Affordable?? Come on man. Bought my 2017 GTI brand new for $23k. Would wipe this little Honda in every category.

[@psalmco2425]

@@JacesOwnWorld what are the gti's specs? Never realized they were so affordable

[@Josh0718]

@hon solo you really are trying hard to push that complete bullshit for no reason, huh?

[@Tool0GT92]

@@psalmco2425 They aren't that cheap expect $30k for a GTI

[@mattdock7346]

Glad he addressed the "greater than the sum of its parts" point. When reading through the spec sheet I was having a really hard time placing the value proposition of this car over lots of other options. You're getting Fiesta ST power, in a heavier, larger car -- and that was with 8 year old engine tech and $6k less MSRP. For close to the money you could get a Veloster N for (with significantly more power). But the fit and finish component of the interior looks like it would bring you away from a (very lightly) used Fiesta/Focus ST and the interior space is the winning component over a 3 door+hatch (the N) if you have kiddos or actually need the back seat regularly. Pair that with good inputs -- which are highly underrated and can't really be expressed on paper -- and it's a little easier to get over the bland exterior styling. If Mazda had figured out how to deliver a manual in the 3 Turbo, I would have loved to see a comparison between these two, but the manual will win over the enthusiasts 9/10, so it's a pretty moot comparison IMO.

[@doctorferdinand1003]

Yeah I'm struggling between this and an Elantra N. The N has that big power advantage, but the overall quality is much better in the Civic. Also, the price point isn't as close as you may think, the Velsoter N starts at $5k more than the Civic Si. I would imagine the Elantra is probably going to be even more than the Veloster. Haven't had the chance to drive either yet, but Honda always delivers on feedback and engagement, not sure if the Hyundais are there yet, but interesting comparison.

[@mattdock7346]

@@doctorferdinand1003 I believe I just saw starting prices for the Elantra N in motortrend that actually undercut the Veloster N if you take both with the manual. But the $5k difference feels negligible at this price point… most of these will be financed I’m sure and $5k over even a 60 month loan is only $80-ish more per month. And most people of for 72-84 month loans now. For 75 more horsepower and a much more driving focused car, that doesn’t sound like a stretch price wise. To put it another way, it’s a roughly 18% overall price increase for 38% more power. Those numbers make a strong case for the Hyundai’s to me. I think it will come down to which is more important for you, the everyday driving convenience of the backseat and interior fit or the performance.

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

Interesting. I've had my 2018 Fiesta ST since August and this Civic seems close to having all the things that I love about my ST. Unfortunately, Civics will probably be a dime a dozen soon.

[@scubarubanzaii]

Coming from a Veloster N owner, I think if you want more touch point refinement, you’re best off getting the Honda. Hyundai is great these days, but it’s definitely cost cut on interior physical touch feel. The Elantra has good touch points though.

[@troyjollimore4100]

Also thinking that you'd pick Honda over Hyundai for reliability... The Koreans have come a long way, but they still feel a little 'hollow' when it comes to substance.

[@vGnome]

Love it when Honda tweaks their cars for fun factor.

[@smooth_ops2942]

Like Matt said... Honda shifters are the best of the best of all time. Smooth but solid engagement on all models from the early 90's (possibly before) all the way to the present.

[@andrerobinson4862]

I own a 2008 Accord coupe with v6 6spd and I love driving it daily! So engaging and fun to row!

[@Whateva67]

I’ve got a 92 civic si hatch with 462 thousand kms on it,still shifts like new,not loose at all. My 01 Prelude shifts perfect as does my 14 civic. Standard transmissions are the best.

[@lancestewart6907]

Im a honda tech... every time one of these kids comes in with an aftermarket shifter box I just laugh.... Like you really thought you were going to get a improvement on the holly grail of shifters for 300$ ... what?

[@whatiwant8898]

I'd also throw in Porsche and Mazda in there.

[@reverbandchill]

@@lancestewart6907 fair, but Acuity and Hybrid Racing make really, really good shifters.

[@WTF-sh4is]

11th gen! FTW!!! This SI is rockin. Can’t wait to see the type R!

[@blitzy3244]

When Honda makes better looking cars than BMW...what a timeline

[@fernank017]

imo they always have. The civics have always looked better than the 3 series.

[@baowuf]

2001 called and would like to have a word.

[@kristians2704]

very subjective. The only ugly BMWs are the 2 series gran coupe and 4 series.

[@MAdGamer1413]

@@fernank017 no civic looks better than the 4dr e46

[@fernank017]

@@MAdGamer1413 the e46 was a great design but its still a bit boring. It probably only looks better than the em civics

[@ElViperr408]

I didn’t like the body style at first but now I love it. I can’t wait to get this

[@DylanRotich]

I love the rear end. Still wish the front end was slightly more aggresive. Somewhere in between the current gen and the last

[@RandomlnternetGuy]

Only thing im not a fan of is the hood lines to the front grill

[@ElViperr408]

@@DylanRotich let’s hope there’s some aftermarket bumpers or front splitters that make the front more aggressive

[@ZeGermanHam]

I know this has a lot more torque, but I do miss the 8200rpm K20.

[@elenchus]

we all miss the k20

[@dil6969]

The sound is so special and so very Honda. Sure, the newest engines are more efficient and more powerful, but I still think I'd have fun with a high-revving engine. That said, I'd seriously consider this car if there was an easy way to get rid of the nasty rev-hang.

[@keelangomes7495]

K20C lives in the Type R

[@lancestewart6907]

I just Sold my 05 RSX Type S.... I was going to replace it with one of these, but after driving one i can honestly say that they are no replacement for a K series.. I wound up overpaying for a low mileage 2015 SI sedan just to get the old motor and avoid one of these.

[@lancestewart6907]

Also..... To make any more power with these your basically looking to a buying a bigger turbo, intercooler, piping, etc.... Basically a whole turbo kit. And if your spending the money on a whole turbo kit you might as well apply it to a battle tested 2.4L engine, not a questionable 1.5L.

[@RichardFanders]

I'm happy you said the car is fast, shows how down to earth you are. Even though you have driven incredibly fast cars you still understand that a car like the Civic Si will feel fast to the majority.

[@MrJpotter1986]

Love my 23 Si. Wouldn’t buy a car without watching your review first. Love everything about this car. Coming from a coyote mustang, you think I’d miss the power. But the handling, gas mileage, and practicality are amazing. Plus it’s a blast to drive. Flawless manual transmission!

[@flyinelephante]

I just sold my 21 SS 1LE and seriously thinking of getting the Si. And that’s what I’m afraid of missing the HP.

[@MrJpotter1986]

@@flyinelephante I miss the raw power of my coyote mustang for sure, but honestly wouldn’t trade in the handling, practicality, and gas mileage of this car for anything. I love my Si. I used to laugh at civics but this one has forever changed me. The manual transmission is far more superb than my previous mustangs manual. Had to sell my mustang bc recently had a baby and 2 door mustang with two kids didn’t make sense, especially with rear facing car seat. I used to hate on FWD cars, never thought I’d ever own one. But this car is just special and has so much character. Zipping around corners, the lsd, just can’t go on about how great this car is. Sure it’s doesn’t have the power and you won’t be winning any races. But you forget all that when you find a nice windy back road. Corners like no other car I’ve experienced at this price point. If you can find it at MSRP, like I did, I couldn’t suggest this car more.

[@jackbegley1]

​@@flyinelephantedon't know if you ended up in an Si but I've had plenty of high HP stuff and an 11th gen Si as my daily. I have more fun in the civic mostly because you can drive the hell out of it in so many more places. It's not fast but it's very engaging and a lot of fun. Running all the way through 2nd and into 3rd before breaking the speed limit on back roads is great

[@trxmigz450]

This is the 5th review I’ve seen of this car and the perspective I respect the most. You know if Matt likes the dynamics It must be a good drivers car.

[@alexturnqest6202]

It sounds good! I was honestly surprised! It actually sounds similar to the old n/a civic si motors of the past just slightly more muffled. That’s 🔥

[@mikea5205]

Isn't the sound piped in? I thought I heard a reviewer say it was.

[@JMB-gt6of]

something he didn't mention is that its simulated sound thru the speakers......rather he knew that or not well never know.....watch these with a grain of salt and drive one for yourself to really know if its any good

[@JMB-gt6of]

@@mikea5205 thru the speakers its a fake engine sound

[@mikea5205]

@@JMB-gt6of - Thanks. I thought it sounded fake, just like the new BRZ/86. I hope this shit doesn't become a thing and stick around like burble tune.

[@JMB-gt6of]

@@mikea5205 indeed I have a brz and its intake noise is plumbed through into the cabin which I guess isn't as bad...but still not very cool at the end of the day

[@ryanfisher8597]

I’ve had this car since before the press even got ahold of them and I love it. The handling is better than many luxury cars I’ve been in. I don’t think it would be anymore fun if it had more horsepower. It’s just so well balanced in every aspect.

[@goldentrucker7921]

You've never owned a fast car

[@ryanfisher8597]

@@goldentrucker7921 ha ha I had a tuned 300 hp Mini Cooper s. That was a fast car in my opinion. but I'm sure you haven't owned a tuned mini nor a si judge KZbin comment warrior

[@goldentrucker7921]

@@ryanfisher8597 I actually loved the older ones. I own 6 vehicles. 2 fast ones. Buying a new type r, or gr corolla when they land. I did own a rsx type s, and Integra gsr back in the day

[@ryanfisher8597]

@@goldentrucker7921 I'm excited for the gr corolla, disappointed on the new integra. it's basically a heavier uglier si.

[@goldentrucker7921]

@@ryanfisher8597 what do you think they're going to be priced at? I'm thinking $3k-10k mark ups. Well equipped core models around $43k

[@nollypra2752]

The latest dyno tests show this car actually produces 222 bhp 👍

[@wr1ght939]

Wow! That’s pretty crazy considering it’s competition!

[@Pyrrho_]

That's a single aftermarket parts vendor that showed that. Others are showing around 200-205 whp, which would still mean Honda is under-representing it in the published specs.

[@hemichanga8939]

I had a 2020 Elantra Sport last year, and I loved it. The entry level sport sedan market right now is pretty good.

[@hagggle3727]

If I wasn’t about to pay for a house and a wedding I’d be on my way to the local Honda dealer to buy one. My 08 has more than served its DD purposes at 185k miles.

[@adamniswonger8015]

I leased a ‘17 as a commuter. Constantly got over 35mpg and it was a fun ride. These are great cars.

[@kcspeed9980]

This is a great car. I have a wrx and this is a really compelling car. It comes down to how much performance you want vs comfort and technology. The $30,000 price bracket for cars has gotten really good the last few years. This also seems to be a better overall value than the new golf gti.

[@kwilliams6308]

Had mine for about 4 months I commute about 100 miles a day… always had cars with way more power but this thing is so ******* fun on backroads, I recommend it to anyone who wants a fuel efficient fun daily

[@android-ud2nf]

The fact this thing only weighs a tad over what an s2000 does is amazing

[@lazardjordjevic4095]

Best thing in this segment in last 15 years, im in love

[@trails3597]

The SI is plenty of sporting fun. Other cars in that price range tend to be true sports cars and won't please the whole family, except for the GTI but its smaller. What I love about the Honda engine is its over-square and loves to rev.

[@eliotsalandybrown]

Matt thank you for letting us watch and experience you pushing this car with your excellent driving. It's entertaining and enlightening. Bravo 👏

[@tommysk8r94]

I like how they went away with the crazy styling..it looks like an accord in a good way now

[@Shaggie_Thrills]

It's just a little to clean, now it looks like a regular Civic.

[@dragospahontu]

It is so clean now

[@depuma3]

I bought one of these after watching this review. It does not disappoint one bit. If you want a new 4 door car and BMW M's are out of reach, you really can't find a better drivers car in the category for $30k. Love sticking my kiddo in the back seat and going for some spirited drives.

[@dragospahontu]

You need to do a head 2 head 2 head was the this, the Jetta, and Elantra.

[@atticusrussell1225]

Jealous of those sexy Cali roads. Have only had the pleasure of experiencing them once and is a memory that sticks with me as someone from the northeast

[@craigyirush3492]

A light, quick, practical, affordable car with a good manual transmission and a nice sounding engine. Get one while you still can!

[@asian_raisin]

I owned over a dozen Honda Civics in 3 decades of driving. I pushed hard for my son to get a 4 door or a car with a large enough trunk for camping. He was driving a z4 and wanted a 370Z but I'm so glad I talked him into a 10th gen Civic SI.

[@theredmonkey]

I watch your reviews because I can see how I would fit in the cars.

[@ProjectN64]

He is a big boy

[@Eastcoastcarclub]

SO glad they actually made this a reasonable looking car. Not ridiculously over styled with fake vents and what not. This is much cleaner.

[@tommygeary1931]

I'm not so sure I see the value in this at new higher price, and here's why: Coupes: BRZ/GT86 start just a bit more expensive, and offer way more performance. Camaro, Mustang, and even the Challenger all start at 28K for much higher performance. Hatchbacks: Golf GTI offers better performance for just a little bit more money. Hyundai Veloster N Smokes this for a bit more. Sedans: Forte GT: $24,000 with 200hp and a 8 speed DCT. Buick Regal Sportback is a surprisingly quick sedan for the price. Subaru WRX is $28k. Crossovers: Hyundai Kona I'm not saying the civic SI is no good, as it has a nice interior and I'm sure it's comfortable, but IMO there are much better "Performance" bargains out there.

[@faustian.]

The Forte GT and the Elanta N-Line are a much better deal, despite missing the LSD you can sometimes find them closer to $21,000

[@JTube571]

Forte GT (and Elantra N-Line) are 7-speed dry DCT. They unfortunately are not available with the new 8-speed wet DCT. Both are also available with a 6MT.

[@ghostrida3]

Well said

[@mattdock7346]

I don't think you can compare coupes with this. They're completely different use cases and segments. Agree the Veloster N would be a stronger pick if you're interested in pure performance per dollar, but there are lots of other compromises there -- from styling to interior quality to shift quality. (I'd buy the N over this, but I don't need a backseat and like the function over form element of the car in general). The Forte GT falls on its face compared to this in component quality... it doesn't even live up to the previous gen Civic interior and build quality. The WRX is a pig (sorry I said it) and most every comparison will tell you it feels dead by comparison to this, with less steering, shifter, and road feel. Plus, boxer motors blow up long before a Honda will.

[@ghostrida3]

@@mattdock7346 the wrx weight is heavy but normal by 2021 standards. It Is much faster than the si and its AWD. The civic on the other hand is FWD and slow. The point being made here is that the civic is not really a performance bargain. If you want performance there are platforms that are actually fast at the same price point. If it was 15k it would make more sense. If you don't need a backseat why even mess with any of this garbage. A new 370z costs the same as well as the mustang and will destroy this in every category.

[@eddiepetersen9807]

As someone who loves v8’s and high horsepower cars and trucks, these current fuel prices make me cry a little. As a result, I’ve been looking at the smaller compact sporty cars like the civic Si and Jetta GLI. I must say, I do enjoy this Si and I’m strongly considering purchasing one

[@victorgeorge8059]

I wish we had the Canadian version Si which comes with more options such as fog lights and heated steering wheel just to name a few all for a lower price. I seen it on Honda Jason channel.

[@loonatticat]

That’s one of Honda’s best looking dashboards since early 90’s. The honeycomb trim strip will be a nightmare to clean though.

[@kwillee93]

I thought this looked cool but then realized how much better the Canada version is

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

If by better you mean, Canada gets "fog lights, heated seats, heated steering wheel, wireless charging, parking sensors, full digital dash with customizable displays..." then yeah.

[@wbwayne8887]

@@ragweedmakesmesneeze Don't forget, even for less money than the US market Si. Thanks Honda. 🤦‍♂️

[@SIIKAP1]

@@wbwayne8887 yeah but canadians make less money, respectively. So it’s not cheaper for them

[@revvolutions]

@@wbwayne8887 Canada builds them so they get a little domestic discount. I'm sure everyone owns a corvette in bowling green Kentucky.

[@stevemt3422]

Car is not a rocket ship but a dose of fun for daily driver

[@boots_n_coots]

Dear Honda engineers: brilliant car! Five stars! Dear Honda bean-counters: you deleted seat heaters? Are you effing kidding me?

[@arc00ta]

Its always fun watching you review cars on a road I used to drive just for fun. Came to watch this trying to decide on a Civic Si or a Forte GT for my new DD. I want a manual, dammit!

[@ryanlittleton5615]

Genuinely shocked how well this new Si has turned out. And this is totally how I'd have mine. The only thing that makes me hesitate to pull the trigger is the somewhat questionable reliability of that 1.5T.

[@ka124as]

Same. Currently with an 8th gen. Kinda unsure how this 1.5 will hold up. There are some videos saying the engine has weak internals

[@ryanlittleton5615]

@@ka124as I've seen that as well, but it does seem to [mostly] effect tuned engines.

[@nickr.2012]

I was skeptical about this car on paper, but this review has made me excited.

[@andrewdavid6054]

That front grille looks a bit goofy, to me the hexagons really clash with the regular bars on the lower intake. But that's a pretty minor criticism, especially for a car where enthusiasts will just buy a different grille, or take it out completely. That aside, it looks like a nice little car with a very well sorted interior, and not a bad engine note either 👍

[@JsGarage]

Definitely the best sounding 1.5L I’ve heard recently. Very appealing car in this class.

[@Aaphree]

I like the looks of the 11th gen but I think China's Integra (different from the USDM Integra) looks better (rear looks less Jetta-like, and the front less Squidward-like)

[@smalljaws8137]

Love how this Si looks, great color too

[@jesse764]

Honestly seeing Honda take away adaptive shocks, wireless charging, heated seats, making it the size of an Accord and not even matching the stitching with the front and rear is pretty disappointing. Decent looking car other then that

[@RAZGR1Z]

Gotta give reasons to buy a Type R or Integra.

[@williambellisIII]

The loss of adaptive shocks bothers me. Couldn’t care less about heated seats or wireless charging.

[@The_Stanman]

It's not perfect but it's still got exceptional interior quality and is very lightweight for 2022 despite size. Adaptive shocks would be nice.

[@z32luvr]

Also no shift lights in the cluster

[@z32luvr]

Oh and foglights and side folding mirrors

[@xnova5]

love that Matt has all kinds of wipes for us.

[@hakaishinkage9899]

I wish the integra looked half as good as this does

[@VoIPPortland]

I still miss my CRX SI / 1986. Fun car, of course not even close to this sweet ride.

[@lthudgins]

If only Ford US brought the MK8 Fiesta ST to the states -_-. It would compete with the SI across the board

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Then Hyundai would bring the i20n to destroy both of them with relatively ease.

[@timothycoyne5874]

Nice review. Thanks for hitting the high points, and I really enjoyed the driving portion when I could see the road ahead and hear the engine along with seeing your shifting. When you added in your impressions of not only the car's handling but its suspension, it gave me a great idea of how the new Si handles on a nice twisty road. I've been considering a new Si, but will probably wait until this fall to buy one, or something else. Meanwhile I'll enjoy my ND Miata one last summer before I sell or trade it for a new car.

[@EvendimataE]

the sedan and the hatchback of the new civic look almost the same. just wondering why honda dont just kill the sedan and only sell the hatchback that has the more flexible cargo space? in the past the sedan and the hatch look totally different. so, there is a clear reason why they are selling 2 different versions

[@future62]

Americans hate hatchbacks. The answer to questions like this always comes down to money

[@ChavaYang]

Hence why the civic coupe got chopped.

[@PeteR90468]

Civic sedan still sells around 80% of total Civic sales vs hatchback 20%ish. Coupe was discontinued for almost no sales.

[@psewgobind]

Doesn't make sense, especially when the Hatchback looks more like a fastback. I think the Americans would have been happy with just the fastback, if there was a lockable under storage for their guns.

[@fordxbgtfalcon]

I love mine, it’s a 2019. However I really miss the k24 vtec. Turbo is is nice but it’s just not the same.

[@sshhddoo9892]

the Si is a hard swallow. It's definitely for people who just want an affordable good handling sedan, but its hard to argue getting this over something like the new 86/brz for an enthusiast, unless you really have to have usable back seats.

[@InsaneSupercars]

86, BRZ > Si for sure

[@93455Driver]

Think the Elantra N maybe more a competitor for this kind of sedan.

[@sk8girldecks11]

@@InsaneSupercars not even close lmaoo

[@ghostrida3]

At near 30k....insanity

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

@@ghostrida3 Exactly that's Veloster N money and you know that car gives a type r an extremely hard time everywhere.

[@TastyGoomba]

fun car, always have been. honda must have invited every youtuber out to CA to drive these orange Si's through the mountains! awesome, i'll watch em all.

[@Dudeman9339]

Unfortunately Honda hasn't left much in that 1.5 and I dont see the aftermarket squeezing much more than 260hp out of it.

[@Kbhatti604]

Correction* 230hp and 301ft/lbs.

[@ProdByAce]

Lol my 10th gen makes 285wheel and 320wtq

[@FU-Utube]

there's plenty left in it. it's actually more tuneable than the 2.0 in the Type R

[@edmeyer4800]

@@ProdByAce that's good torque, I bet your civic rips!!!

[@bobbya8622]

You’re right, it does have a very pleasant sound! Plenty of power to weight!

[@grasucat1720]

2022 - Hondas look more like BMWs than BMWs.

[@mikesanto69]

Horsepower is under-rated by 22 and torque as well. HONDATA GOT 221hp on their dyno. Can't wait for their tune. A Hondata tune and bumping the limiter to say maybe 6800 or so, will make it complete along with a set of ENKEI RPF1 18x9.5's and 265/35/18 R888s! I wouldn't mind seeing a proper DCT either because of it being a daily when you live in LA or some high traffic areas. I drove a 2017 Acura ILX and really liked the DCT and they way it rev matched on downshifts, if it had some better trans tuning to make it a little more deliberate, I would totally opt for it!

[@bubbleshield50]

I think I'll stick with my Fiesta ST for another year... No idea why so many "sporty cars" are sticking with 200hp when your average car is getting much faster these days.

[@Sethekk11]

The stock sound is actually really nice. I enjoy listening to the engine as I drive, and it feels relieving to know I won't need to resort to aftermarket parts. Well done, Honda!

[@meCmoni]

This! With most cars in this price range you're immediately thinking CAI and Exhaust mods so it sounds better but this car sounds amazing already. Looking forward to owning one.

[@ka124as]

Isn’t it audio enhancement? Not bashing. Just asking

[@93455Driver]

The Integra should be good based on the Si reviews so far......an Integra Type S.....or dare to dream a Type R?

[@RAZGR1Z]

Honda is saving Type R exclusively for Honda badges. Acura gets Type S.

[@93455Driver]

@@RAZGR1Z Hence the dare to dream part.

[@TheCharlieTour]

One could argue this is not the "middle one," type r only comes in hatchback if I'm not mistaken. This one only comes in sedan. You also can't get the touring sedan in manual. This is the only model. You can however get the sports touring hatchback in manual.

[@papa_pt]

it costs $2k more and comes with less options. Nice car but no longer the killer bargain it used to be.. especially with GR86 and Elantra N breathing down its neck

[@wazewaze8185]

Yeah but a Korean car vs Japanese lol? Obvious winner there, and the gr86 won’t take to mods as easy and you get almost no space. I think the SI is the all around best car

[@AlumarsX]

@@wazewaze8185 The GR is already lighter and faster. Plus it's aftermarket will be quite extensive.

[@papa_pt]

@@wazewaze8185 what about it all the N cars get great reviews they hired Albert Biermann from M. I do wish there was a small sedan 86

[@wazewaze8185]

@@papa_pt I know Korean cars are getting better and better. Still they just don’t have the long term reliability down yet. And if you check their resale value at least for older models, they’re pretty bad. I think they just need more time to build their rep imo

[@wazewaze8185]

@@AlumarsX true but with the Honda’s you only need to spend 800$ to gain 20-30 more whp. The n/a 86 is gona cost a lot more to gain near that. It’s still a great car tho, I was looking at them too. But since I can only have 1 car now, I need all the room I can get

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Best part of the Honda Civic Si as a manual transmission daily driver is: 40 mpg highway

[@ak2112]

Sounds like they thoughtfully improved the 10th gen in just about every way. Good car.

[@sertyuhg]

How did they improve it? No more heated seats, dual climate control,adjustable dampers and less hp?

[@Globbs]

Wow I like that interior more than I expected to. The seat design or at least color could be better but that's a cool little daily driver. It definitely looks like an Accord to me. I like the idea of this more than I like the Type R Civic.

[@pettersaethre]

the regular interior looks better imo. red stripe is no bueno

[@klarkqent]

Hondata just baselined one and it made 225hp and 233lbft

[@peterkwan6072]

Hondata bolts the dyno to the car's wheel hub. The tires are not on the dyno rollers.

[@klarkqent]

@@peterkwan6072 and Honda themselves Dyno the engine at the flywheel, not the wheels. It still made more power than advertised

[@peterkwan6072]

The 10th gen has better 1/4 mile times. If the 11th gen has 225hp, 233tq, why is the 0 to 60 and 1/4 mile times so slow?????

[@didiermejia780]

I think it sounds better than my 2018 type R. Except no turbo release valve sound.

[@nuclearfish010]

1:39 to skip ad....

[@davect01]

Solid choice for us budget minded drivers and a car ine does not have to be embarrassed about

[@JK-tu1xx]

I recall a time when $27k would get you a new Accord EX with all the options, the si of the same year was closer to $20k. I'm not sure we're heading in the right direction with "value", pricing buyers out of a car because you can make a few thousand extra off of somebody who can afford it seems like a losing proposition.

[@HD-yh4fu]

Adjusting for inflation, these MSRP for less than 90s Civic Sis. Dealer mark-ups right now though... but Honda itself is still putting out excellent value IMO.

[@ayanami808]

Yes thanks guys! I knew you’d be doing this one. You never let me down!

[@tommygu6376]

Is that actually sound or sound piped in through speaker? It sounds genuinely pretty good

[@williambellisIII]

Per another review I watched, think it was savagegeese, it’s piped in.

[@FU-Utube]

Piped in. It does still sound nice from the outside when the windows are down.

[@andrew-1_plastic_35i8]

I want one of these so bad for a daily. Looks like an awesome package

[@e46m54nissansr20937]

Not the biggest fan of Honda but I consider myself an enthusiast this thing is amazing.I mean 2952lbs and the interior and exterior design looks very nice and more refined and reserved/minimalist than the previous gen. I'm sure modded Si will be putting Type R to shame as I saw the previous generation.

[@one2tumble]

This is the review I’ve been waiting for!

[@solocamo3654]

I like the more adult look of this car. Hopefully the Type R doesn't go all crazy again. Too expensive for what it is though.

[@jongvzman9752]

That little 1.5 hits limiter sounding like it wants to say I wanna rev up higher but the ecu wont let me 😭😭😭

[@jake2772]

Wow 200hp again………after 15 years…..Honda is really stepping up there game. Come on man

[@slk1771]

not everything needs 400+ hp

[@damienlee1165]

@@slk1771 But 205 was too much so they had to dial it back 5 hp.

[@bfdz94]

@@damienlee1165 I saw online somewhere that the HP went up by 20 actually once the reviewers put it on the dyno. Looks like Honda may be underrating the HP.

[@Briggsian]

@@damienlee1165 peak power isn't everything. Area under the curve is much more important, which is something that was improved with this iteration

[@damienlee1165]

@@Briggsian I'm not knocking it on power, but I feel that if the miata and brz/86 could use more power, so can the SI. It's just kind of troll to say " hey we improved all these areas of the car so we can give you 5 less hp".

[@vroomkeys]

I keep seeing these on the road and honestly the sedan is pretty sick. Noticed most enthusiasts not in favor of the design but it's actually a good looking car. Just kinda looks like a VW Jetta in the Rear and a Camry or Accord or Kia K5 in the front

[@control2791]

Idk why people are hating on the new integra. It's literally the sexist version of this chasis! And if it's anywhere near the Acura ILX pricing it will be a steal.

[@danielmcintyre7405]

I don't think its about the looks, which I think is average BTW. I think its more about there's no 2 door.

[@papa_pt]

Bc they took what is clearly just an ILX replacement and called it Integra

[@Briggsian]

@@papa_pt At one point, they took what would have been called an Integra and called it an ILX. An Integra, like the ILX, is just a fancy Civic. Always has been, always will be

[@papa_pt]

@@Briggsian that's true. But to go back on the name should signify at least some kind of throwback. I'm interested to see if/what kind of awd the type s gets

[@mistamaog]

Considering the Si is $27-28k, the Integra won't be any lower than $29,999.

[@Scottstunts]

I love the 10th gen Si. Can’t wait to get behind the wheel of this one.

[@qwerty6801]

Hard to get excited about a 200HP porky sedan that cost $27k in 2021

[@marktolsma8816]

Porky? It's under 3000lbs m8

[@pauldack5129]

Damn that thing sounds really nice. Read it's actual HP is closer to 225 ish and TQ around the same.

[@belovedLion80]

Honda lied to help out it’s customers on car insurance.

[@frumpd63]

Too much cost cutting for me.

[@jaimykok6533]

I'm just jealous of you guys since this won't be sold in Europe. Seems perfect for our roads and speed limits. I see so many GTI's and Fiesta ST that it makes me think that this could actually sell here. I really like that you can actually see in the engine bay too.

[@papa_pt]

I heard Europe just refuses to buy Japanese in general. Honda and Lexus get slaughtered there compared to the US

[@jaimykok6533]

@@papa_pt True, people really like german stuff over here. Japanese was very popular here at one point but they seemed to just let go at some point, only Toyota and Nissan are still really prominent

[@papa_pt]

@@jaimykok6533 even French cars lol. it's like Americans refusing to buy wagons

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Dude the I20n blows this out of the water by a long shot, in terms of performance it's the car to get in Europe.

[@lexburen5932]

we have the toyota GR yaris, and we get the honda civic type R in europe. Nothing to complain.

[@ghostrida3]

I don't get why you would pay 30k for a fwd civic. I understood the logic in the 90's because they were super cheap relatively speaking. Now it's in the mustang gt price point. There are too many things that are actual performance cars to be bothered with this. If you think this is a good buy I definitely recommend you drive some of the real performance offerings (rwd/awd) before wasting your money.

[@noahp6886]

i don't how many people are crossing mustangs and civics; those are two different categories.

[@ghostrida3]

@@noahp6886 understood. Just drawing attention to how much performance you can get at 30k. The purpose of the si is that it's a performance sedan/coupe but it really isn't when you compare it to actual performance sedans/coupe.

[@KTH96]

Si has better MPG, resale value, shift action, interior, reliability, etc. Completely separate class of car that serves different needs for different buyers.

[@ghostrida3]

@@KTH96 but in reality it is a crappy performance car in comparison to a wrx, mustang, etc. Don't even get me started on the used car market.. many offerings at better prices that will destroy this as far as performance. And your wrong about the resale value, shift action, interior is subjective. There are many performance cars including the mustang that are reliable enough. This ultimately is not a performance car so why waste your money. Just get the base model. If you are looking for performance shop somewhere else. Just my opinion. Drive some of the actual performance offerings and you will see this a long ways off from being one.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

@@KTH96 I'll rather get a new Veloster N for 2k more lol.

[@jlopez1017d]

I was going to lambast the civic SI for not upping their power output from 200 for the last few generations but in the face of electrification and cars with too much nanny tech the SI is actually a breathe of fresh air.

[@Jyuaa]

To call it a “future legend” is a real joke.

[@privilegejunkie]

I agree. I have an FK8 and I don't think even that will be a "future legend." That's a pretty big title.. belongs to things like the EK9 and OG NSX.

[@Jyuaa]

100% agree with that yes !

[@ImpalaSS08]

Honda is severely in underrating this motor for some reason. I seen this thing on the dyno make 220+ at the wheels.

[@peterkwan6072]

Bull shit.

[@douglasdroscoski6405]

Doubt it! Not with the numbers it puts up in the 0-60 and 1/4.

[@vladg2239]

Matt really struggling to get excited about a mere Civic.

[@KyngShadow]

great video, I was hoping you'd review the SI. This makes me more comfortable adding it to my short list. I have the 2019 si, and the heel toe is actually kind of difficult to achieve but the driving experience was still good just needed some more power.