Megadeth -'84- Last Rites [Full Demo Album]

[@neuromancercyberpunk1984]

William Lee Rauch (September 10, 1964 - June 23, 2023) RIP - Brutal Demo Ever! I know that this demo was recorded by Gar but I leave this homage to two monsters that went through that visceral time of the band.

[@OneRodetoAsaBayThroughtheWoods]

no it was recorded by rauch

[@brieziethirteen13]

Lee was my drummer after he left Megadeth ,and was probably one of the fastest drummers of the time.Certainly the fastest I had ever played with.Dude was brutal.

[@helltoupee6664]

What band was that

[@brieziethirteen13]

Joe Manzella Nemesis

[@camilo62693]

do you know whats he's up to these days?

[@itkojecockot]

@@zachkerns0 he plays Thrash at church ???

[@itkojecockot]

@@zachkerns0 it was a joke dude :D:D pretty hard to imagine, he would be blasting Slayer in a church, right :D:D:D

[@mary-rl6ur]

04:11 this is so creepy omg

[@ManiTheKingV3]

Wow it's even faster than their debut album. Mustaine is such a genius.

[@Penisdoll]

lol. What do you even mean?

[@Ae0liann]

AgentOfOblivion for writing the song dumbass

[@Samford_]

its not faster than the album, it just sounds like that because the tape was old and sped up overtime. thats why daves vocals sound higher than normal

[@Samford_]

@Jesse Vortex Sungte what?

[@Samford_]

@Jesse Vortex Sungte it's not though, it's just because the tape sped up over time, which is why the instruments are tuned higher and the vocals sound higher. Megadeth isn't known for playing their stuff live much faster.

[@TheGuitologist]

I didn't think it could get much more raw than the debut album, but damn, this is the shizz!

[@fordology1996]

Didn’t expect to see you here! :D

[@gorthaur3323]

hmm> listen to old black metal, you'd significantly expand your notion of "raw" 😆

[@sheepkeeper]

Stunning!!! Fastest, angriest, most brutal and vicious metal record of the early eighties, and most technical of thrash too. Dave was the man back then.

[@brucejohnson5786]

still is bitch

[@cmcclaskey85]

Bruce Johnson thats why you my bitch!

[@Grindiskhan]

A that time, there were more brutal, angrier, faster and heavier albums/demos released... Just look at bands like Hellhammer/Celtic Frost, Bathory, Sodom, Early Death/Mantas or Mayhem.

[@sheepkeeper]

Haha, no, just sheep and metal.

[@CarnivorousMower]

+Jenik Smegma Siege, Deep Wound, DRI,

[@DarthVato2010]

The opening musical piece of Last Rites is spooky as hell!

[@nimaakhtarkhavari8766]

Is Bach...

[@hmpz36911]

Always reminded me of Tales From The Crypt theme

[@snrgel5091]

its made up of parts of johann sebastian bach's toccata in d minor

[@vihmauss7292]

This demo broke my wrist and I don't even play guitar.

[@level8695]

His voice in this is actually very, very good.

[@LordStompyHarpLoonyTunes]

It was pretty good on all his early stuff but here it's raw AF

[@zzzhuh]

Fun fact: The recording equipment was so poor of quality that it actually makes the sound a full step higher. So, even tho the guitars are tuned down to 1/4 step from standard, the sound is a 1/4 step higher. I just tried it on my guitar, and found this out.

[@eduardo0796]

+zzzhuh I'm sorry, that doesn't have to do with the quality of the equipment. The higher pitch could be due to the fact that it was sped up. Or something like that.

[@zzzhuh]

eduardo0796 It absolutely does. The tape gets worn out over the years and causes that. Metallica for sure would speed their demo's up, and sometimes the vocals because James normally sang lower, and it didn't work with the tuning. Megadeth isn't known for speeding tracks up.

[@eduardo0796]

zzzhuh Ok

[@yearginclarke]

If you grew up during the pre CD era, you'll probably know that lots of cassette tape players had an artificially fast speed. My original boombox from the late 80's was like this. When I re-bought my favorite albums on CD, I noticed the speed was noticeably slower, and it seemed weird at first.

[@sleepyblade]

clearly u havent listen to bad production

[@zlymaciek]

Rest in Peace Mr. Lee! Very good drummer.

[@Anon119]

No way

[@rosca_21]

I love how loud Junior's bass is on this.

[@Panos-xy1ke]

Who is Junior? Is it a nickname of Ellefson?

[@WEENIEHUTTBOSS]

@@Panos-xy1keyes

[@basicallysnake]

Every first band demo tape, no matter who it is, always has a requirement that the bassist always has to be turned up to 100 Of course, I don’t know that for sure, it just seems like it

[@LordStompyHarpLoonyTunes]

Dude, they're all great but this pre Gar drummer is insane, he's like a run away train. You can literally hear the demented speed freak anger pouring out of them all

[@krafgeetar4013]

Ikr?! Rausch is easily the fastest Megadeth drummer ever. Not as jazzy as Gar but had exceptional technique that puts him over Gar and every other MD drummer for me

[@adamsunderland0823]

@@krafgeetar4013 Every Megadeth drummer could play fast though. Cmon

[@Bitch6667-q1w]

0:00 Last Rites / Loved to deth 4:18 Mechanix 8:20 The Skull Beneath the Skin

[@JohnPurkey1]

Buzz from the Melvins made me a copy of this demo in early 1985.

[@TheSourceForMegadeth]

You still have it?

[@nbkawtgnobody]

That is so badass if true man, love it!

[@H.E.M.]

3:28 such a heavy riff.

[@neb8768]

Holy. Fucking. Shit. I've been looking for something like this for AGES.

[@jwardbass4452]

ur mum xDDDD

[@mctwishvonnoodles9793]

the "YEEAAAAH" at the end of Mechanix is perfect

[@soraytronickle]

This dirty sound in Mechanix is awesome 5:59

[@rgluna70]

A time when Dave was angry and showed in his music. So much to prove to him self and Metallica. Come on Dave let me see that fire👹👹

[@ItsPittsfieldTonight]

I hate to tell you guys, but this is not Lee Rauch on drums, it is the late Gar Samuelson. Lee was their live drummer when Kerry was briefly in the band and there are a few live recordings out there, and I have heard there are some rehearsals also. However, this is Gar on drums. I was Gar's drum tech and friend for many year's and I can promise you this is Gar. Somewhere there has to be a statement from Dave acknowledging that, there must be. I don't know how the rumor started but I have seen this on almost every post for the Last Rites demo incorrectly crediting Lee.

[@Troy.Ritter]

You’re wrong. Dave Mustaine himself posted on his social media just yesterday that Lee played on the Last Rites demo.

[@ItsPittsfieldTonight]

@@Troy.Ritter I'm telling you I am not wrong. I'm going to message Dave and David and see if they will message me back something I can post as a quote.

[@ItsPittsfieldTonight]

@@Troy.Ritter This is a quote from David "There is some misinformation about the "Last Rites" demo. Lee never did any studio recordings with the band. The "Last Rites" demo that is out there on the web was recorded 100% by his successor, our other fallen brother, Gar Samuelson on drums. That three song demo was recorded as a three piece with me, Dave & Gar in summer of 1984. Our then-manager Jay Jones brought Gar into the fold shortly after Lee departed the group in April, 1984 as he funded the making of that demo during several late night sessions at Hitman Studios in Hollywood." ~ David Ellefson. I'm not trying to be a Know-It-All, I'm just trying to get the correct info out there. Gar was a good friend and I would be a shitty one if I didn't still stick up for him. RIP Gar and Lee.

[@ItsPittsfieldTonight]

I saw that Dave did post Lee recorded the Last Rites demo on his social pages. I don’t know why he said that, maybe he was referring to writing songs or rehearsals. This demo is the same demo they released as bonus tracks on the KIMBABIG in 2002. I know Gar’s playing anywhere. I sat on the side of his kit 100s of times and his fill placement and ghost notes are unmistakeable.

[@elektrik-fz4up]

@@ItsPittsfieldTonightAlso possible that Dave is misremembering? I agree, this is definitely Gar on drums, not Lee.

[@officialFredDurstfanclub]

This is probably the angriest thing I’ve ever heard

[@complications9718]

This must've been where the Killing Is My Business remastered album cover came from.

[@TheLarryburns84]

Subwoofer Dildo It was supposed to be the cover for KIMB from the get go.. but Combat Records lost the drawing and as such, we have the laughable original cover.

[@geoffprice9583]

Wow, blows away pretty much everything else from 1984. I'm not a huge Megadeth fan, but those first two albums especially are some of the best metal of any kind ever made, and this is really amazing for 1984.

[@javierdelasheras209]

Their first two albums were great, and so were their next two.

[@Kewrock]

The fist four albums were brutal. With Rust in Peace being the best. They toned it down with Countdown and they completely lost me with Youthanasia. I think Rust is probably the best thrash album ever made, by pretty much anyone.

[@briang8579]

@@Kewrock I used to think rust was the best, but it's clear to see, peace sells is miles ahead

[@ihateminecraft932]

@@briang8579 same

[@m3bmuadib]

You have to check Watchtower's Energetic Disassembly... And their 1983 Demo...

[@gsoltis29]

LOVE LOVE LOVE THIS demo. On a side note - I love when people conclude that KIMB is crap because of the production. That album was groundbreaking for me in the 80's as a teen. If you knew anything about tape trading in the 80's you'd know NEVER to expect a good production as what you were getting was usually 50th generation :)

[@sinisterrayne89]

I'm no teen but its definitely got its place in my shelf love kimb

[@babylemonade2868]

It’s a cranking album and better than kill ‘em all

[@johnmax165]

Fucking kickass!This demo makes no life til leather sounds pop

[@JohnSmith-cl2sq]

W Max LOL!

[@michaelhorn9114]

I totally agree!!!!!!!

[@Emolga2225]

especially since James does a shitty Sean Harris impression on that demo

[@anglesupremacy123]

I think it has its own charm lol

[@franciscocorvalan427]

And Sodom demos...makes that this sounds like pop

[@hayden243]

Hey these guys are actually pretty good. I really hope they can get signed one day and get big

[@hensan5150]

hard to say, so many other bands to compete with😂

[@miketate8554]

Heard that one a few times

[@leethomas255]

For lovers of detail, it was recorded on the Ninth of March, 1984.or: 09/3/1984

[@davec3901]

Thank you for that very cool. Do you know why Mustaine did not give credit on the bonus track demos of Killing is my Business? I mean I assume it's the same recording.

[@footlongstew8852]

DUDE MY BIRTHDAY!!

[@goldenwolf8081]

Dave left Metallica a year previously march 1983, he created megadeath and their first demo in a solid year I know this is because Dave was mad at James and Lars, not Cliff for kicking him out he was so determined to outdo Metallica by going faster and heavier.

[@eslwgpg1226]

I heard there’s a demo recording of Rattlehead from the same sessions as these three songs. If that’s true I hope it eventually sees the light of day at some point

[@leftymcnally6913]

I first bought this demo at a Connecticut flea market back in '92. It had No Life 'til Leather, the Ride the Lightning Demos, "Day of the Saxons" by Witchkiller, and these songs at the end. Awesome way to end the cassette!!!

[@hmpz36911]

The day when blood will flow like wine! Check out October 31's cover of it

[@calebbliss8626]

I'm actually not a big fan of megadeth but this demo is great \m/

[@FerminPP]

this is the most raw and heavy thing i've ever heard

[@rx-qo5jn]

1.5 for Grindcore

[@dannibalcorpse1]

lol i like you

[@trasibleon]

Raaaaaaaaaw as fuck!

[@sainandanify]

OMFG,this is some rare shit I've been searching for YEARS!!!! Just LOOK at the amount the bass is tuned to for Last Rites.Holy CRAP!!!And I personally love that low tuned ascending snarl at the start of Loved to DETH

[@HighBestkillerROBLOX]

sainandan anime It’s on the Killing is my Business remaster

[@Handel_Opaz]

You searched it for years? And nobody ever told you it's been available in its entirety on an official Megadeth record since 2002? The KIMB remaster mentioned above, in fact both of the remasters '02 AND '18 include the whole demo nowadays, of course the latter wasn't out when you wrote the comment. I just think it's weird you didn't find this sooner, but fuck it, it's three tracks of perfect, raw-as-fuck and FAST trash metal! So as long as every Megadeth fan hears it at some point in their life, it's all good.

[@ramiroramos8745]

that was in 84, mustaine is a genius!

[@m3bmuadib]

There was already very fast, angry and technical metal already in 1984

[@tylercox1875]

@@m3bmuadib like what

[@m3bmuadib]

@@tylercox1875 fast and angry: Venom, Exodus. Fast, angry and way more technical than anything else: Watchtower. Check their 1983 demo of Meltdown: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5TMiWVug5JkkM0

[@jewel_throne2950]

@@tylercox1875Bruh do u even listen to metal. Death By Metal - Death, Death Metal - Possessed, Haunting the Chapel - Slayer, Both Hell Hammer albums, Morbid Visions - Celtic Frost, Bathory, Discharge

[@xechostormx]

Mechanix on this is AMAZING. I'd love to hear a clean version of it. I love the ferocity and tempo.

[@DeathMetalThrasher]

Godfather of thrash losing his shit here

[@snipezeroes1687]

The vocal in this demo sounds so intense

[@TitusTHEIDIOTICFENOM]

Heavier than Slayer's earlier stuff...but that's to be expected from the greatest band in the world right?PHALLUS APPROVES!!!!

[@k1ngsmok378]

Your goddamn right

[@SpiralDream]

Heavier than Hell Awaits? I think not.

[@somethingfierce8859]

Speed ≠ heavy. This is better than Slayer's early stuff though

[@hinjurock70]

@@somethingfierce8859 Nah. Megadeth didn't start writing really good songs until Peace Sells. The Antichrist, Die By The Sword and Black Magic from Show No Mercy are better than any songs on Megadeth's first album, and the production is way better as well.

[@hmpz36911]

@@SpiralDream Absolutely

[@gsn66slayer6]

Blew me away when I saw them in '85.

[@addisonlewis723]

Jesus Christ this is fast! :D

[@mitchhinrichs6032]

Dave Mustain wrote Mechanix before ever joining metallica.

[@seanoconnor5730]

Mitch Hinrichs yep. He wrote in the late 70s when he was in Panic.

[@k1ngsmok378]

@@seanoconnor5730 no way that's fukkin crazy.

[@dr.nozzle4675]

Mechanix is actuially the 4 horsemen bust way fucking faster

[@josephtenorio4382]

Dr. nozzle no, the four horsemen is the mechanix but slower

[@dr.nozzle4675]

@@josephtenorio4382 oops lmao

[@loki-thegodofmischief3288]

Damn this is ferocious!!! The speed is just unrelenting

[@eddieburton6667]

more heavy than Judas, more technical than Iron Maiden, more dirty than venom, more evil than Slayer, more thrasher than Metallica

[@Necroctulhu]

More evil than Slayer? More dirty than Venom? Absolutely no.

[@Necroctulhu]

@Fred-fen Spinerir What it has to do with solos? The Slayer riffs are definitely more evil. Is there something dirtier than Venom? Ever heard NME "Unholy Death"?

[@1TakoyakiStore]

@@Necroctulhu I would actually put Sodom's 1982 Witching Metal demo in those categories.

[@KillEmAll0325]

@@1TakoyakiStore dirtiest demo

[@ricklindberg4228]

Let's not get carried away dude. This is the start of Megadeth. That's all. Very good but you need to calm down. And I love Megadeth. Been a fan for 35+ years. The bands you named are all legendary. You sound foolish putting them down.

[@sonamtamang5582]

RIP LEE

[@moderusprime]

That's Gar on drums.

[@jwardbass4452]

His singing is especially awesome on this, and did Ellefson play with fingers on this demo? I don't hear the attack of the pick.

[@matangomango]

jwardbass I believe Ellefson always played with fingers

[@mistercr0wbar400]

no he plays with a pick @MetalUpYourAss

[@snipezeroes1687]

From what i know, in the band early years he used his fingers but as their music becomes more complex he started to using a pick

[@k1ngsmok378]

@@snipezeroes1687 yeah that's what I heard too.

[@livewire2759]

Ellefson played with his fingers until around the peace sells - so far so what era, then he started using picks. But this isn't Ellefson playing anyway, this was recorded before the Dave's met.

[@thrashtildeth247]

0.75 speed for the Metallica version!

[@bacteria7896]

0.25 more like

[@somethingfierce8859]

As much as I love Metallica, you're right

[@ognjcc]

0.25 for poser version!

[@tomaskousen909]

@@ognjcc jajajaja

[@Luke-pr2eu]

Rip Lee 😢

[@evilbunnysanta]

If these songs were recorded well it would be the version to listen to them. So much faster and more brutal. Dave just really leaning into that thrash style of shrieking in tone.

[@tvojoosrategace]

I believe KIMB would sound like that if they wouldn't spend half of budget on stuff

[@Sonic_Pollution]

RIP Lee Rauch

[@YoyoBianchi]

R.I.P Lee Rauch 🥁🤘

[@brentiampen1262]

69,669 veiws . Thats Metal. Old school fan. Looking foreward to the new album.

[@quesefoda1992]

drums recorded by gar samuelson

[@marcusmofield5815]

I like the guitar tone on the demo better . I think Mustaine was using a Rocktron amp for the recordings on Killing Is My Business, even though it’s the same equipment, the first record was not properly produced.

[@totc6196]

More gain here the album is not saturated enough

[@justinklinck6575]

anyone else notice that this is the riff to 'four horsemen'. Dave Mustane made it when he was in metallica and when they kicked him out he kept the riff he made for this song.

[@CarnivorousMower]

+Justin Klinck Other way round.

[@chimaloo]

+Carnivorous Mower Nope, dave mustaine made that riff when he was in metallica

[@justinklinck6575]

Thank you ^ mechanix was originally a metallica song. Then they changed it to four horseman with different lyrics. Mustaine brought mechanix back with megadeth

[@CarnivorousMower]

+Justin Klinck I meant this is the riff from Mechanix originally, not The Four Horsemen, although The Four Horsemen was released first.

[@justinklinck6575]

+Carnivorous Mower yeah, I feel ya. I didn't pay much attention to my own wording on the first comment, I forgot the simple fact that mechanix did come first as a metallica song. released on their demo in 82' I forgot that it wasn't called the four horsemen back then, I just remembered that mustaine made the riff for it, he also made the riffs for alot of the songs set for the kill em' all but also remembered, (but didn't quite think about it originally being mechanix before the the title changed at the time I posted this) that this was the only metallica riff he kept for megadeth. lol my bad about the confusion.

[@connorm955]

I was a source for Megadeth. Until google thought otherwise.

[@eddyceee]

RIP Lee 🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@narcolepsy437]

Megadeth at their heaviest

[@williamxb]

I love this demo so much because it's almost black metal. Reminds me of Sodom's early stuff.

[@hmpz36911]

Ikr!

[@TheMusician4748]

Not even close to black metal, it's too complex for that genre. Still very thrash but on a whole angry level.

[@williamxb]

@@TheMusician4748 True I wasn't thinking right when I wrote that comment lol

[@RushianRichard]

I knew this had to be around somewhere, and I knew it would be heavier and more brutal than the 1st album version...so, THANKS!!

[@davidrikersisland8657]

Looks like I'm going to be going down the Megadeth rabbit hole again because holy shit this is some intense thrash 😵🤯😧😬😳

[@DerogatoryMess]

YESSS! i LOVE YOU FOR POSTING THIS, AND YES i AM SCREAMING IN CAPS

[@carlosm1985rock]

that riff are madness

[@ThrashersUnite]

R.I.P. Lee Rausch

[@oscielfuentes5039]

This shit is so fast!!!! Like it more than the álbum versión... rip lee rausch

[@jeremybennett3104]

Yup, Dave was pissed about what the record company printed for cover art in '85.

[@Elpatrondelazcallezz]

Smoking a fat joint hearing this

[@Anon119]

Nice

[@dancecat4308]

this is so raw, fast and gritty. Love it!

[@88anarahammertime]

dave is fucking nuts on this. so good.

[@shawnb5910]

Mechanix has a very strong resemblace to Four Horsemen.

[@superaveragebros.9390]

because its the same song lol

[@ronpaul1082]

You can hear hetfield sing the mechanix on metallicas no life til leather demo . The differences between megadeths mechanix and metallicas horsemen are 1 James added 1 riff 2 Lars said it should have a slow part and dave played sweet home Alabama as a joke but Lars liked it and kept it and Kirk wrote a solo for that part 3 dave had music called the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse , James wrote lyrics for it but later put them on the mechanix . the original 4 horsmen music ended up in the song ride the lightning ( the 3 riffs after the intro )

[@linusfotograf]

No shit

[@si-tj2ck]

this DEMO from 1984 is better than load and reload

[@threadworm437]

This demo is better than half of Metallica's work

[@oldmatevb]

Rosenfeld it’s also better then half of megadeth work too

[@adithyastren6218]

And better produciton than AJFA

[@keithkellner1988]

When I take a dump , it’s better than those loads.

[@huntermetal19723]

Well looks and sounds like metallicas first album was more of a megadeth album with guest vocals guest drummer and guest bassist the best thing that happened to Dave Mustain was getting kicked out imagine if cliff left with him

[@LordStompyHarpLoonyTunes]

Well Junior is nearly as good as Cliff

[@plciferpffer3048]

This is quite impressive!

[@c0nc3p7]

First album is best, it has so much raw energy it gets you pumped

[@fnuclone1229]

Agreed, Im not much of a megadeth fan, but the first record and maybe 2 songs off the 2nd album are rly good

[@Electrocutioner]

⚡️R.I.P. LEE RAUCH⚡️

[@oscarcoronado4117]

Dave's vocals sounds f@#$ing furious, lol

[@miguelangelgonzalezdelaros5616]

Thank you Metallica for giving us this monster, bigger than you!!!

[@petar765]

Last rites prvi demo snimak grupe megadeth, objavljen je 1984 godine.😮

[@TheSourceForMegadeth]

It's not likely. I've searched high and low for years. I can't even find an actual number of copies released. Adding together the fact that it was only released on cassette and that every member of the band was addicted to some kind of drug... They probably didn't spend much on tapes. Minus all of the ones that were over played and/or eaten by tape decks... No we're not going to find a legit copy. Although, I am offering a hefty sum to someone who has one, and can provide proof of authenticity.

[@TheLarryburns84]

TheSourceForMegadeth According to discogs, there were only ever 100 of these made.

[@HighBestkillerROBLOX]

You can find it on the Killing is my Business remaster

[@tvojoosrategace]

@@HighBestkillerROBLOX you can but they're also victims of loudness war

[@vaketea717]

Lee should have stayed .He was on par with Lombardo

[@redextracked666]

why does lower quality recording gear make it sound so much better:)))

[@judaspriestfan]

dave kinda sounds like vince neil sometimes 😂

[@Kewrock]

These three songs, plus Battlezones by Jag Panzer and the entire Witchkiller EP were tacked on to the end of a Metallica vinyl bootleg I had back in the 80's. I think it was Death Mission or Metal Militia. I always knew the Megadeth songs. But it took me until the computer age of the early 2000s to figure out The Jag Panzer and Witchkiller stuff. Battlezones is a great track. Witchkiller? meh. not so much.

[@frankcannistra4153]

Terrific Dave

[@ppaulisdeadd2710]

_settings_ -> _playback speed_ -> _custom_ -> *_0.95x_*

[@brooks2198]

When the guitar comes in it sounds like a pit bull gnawing your face off

[@Kat-Kobold]

I love that the twist in Loved To Deth is revealed in the 3rd verse, that it's from the woman's perspective

[@nbkawtgnobody]

No it's not! Read the lyrics!

[@CarnivorousMower]

MegaDave needs to re-listen to this and he might stop making shit like SuperCollider and Risk!

[@svilendenchev9984]

I think he may have. Look at Dystropia

[@CarnivorousMower]

Yes, is't fucking good, but he needs to make sure he follows it up with another good album.

[@svilendenchev9984]

Carnivorous Mower Totally.

[@seanoconnor5730]

Nathan Brooks that wouldn't happen. Dave probably isn't able to play stuff like this anymore. And his voice is aged. Plus I think he said he didn't like their debut because it was a waste of riffs or something like that. But don't quote me on the last one. I may be wrong.

[@Charle_Z]

Keklord Megafag killer album, Kiko’s a beast \m/

[@xritualvx5423]

So fucking raw!!!

[@leonshreds]

wow!

[@waltergoring8428]

This sounds better than the record

[@keegansterley3296]

Christ this is insane

[@strangeskills]

amazing

[@your_stepbro1756]

Does anyone have a download link for the demo album?

[@HeavyandMetal431]

awesome!

[@imagereflection4826]

Anyone else prefer this to the album version?

[@juankcastro5402]

La demo era más siniestra

[@beyondbirthday713]

Sign them