‘Nuclear’ families, Tory failures and net zero - Jordan Peterson & Michael Gove in conversation

[@williamvorkosigan5151]

The Barbarians are not at the gate. Boris and Gove exploded the gate and sent out messages to invite them over. The Barbarians are very firmly inside the citadel.

Gove and Boris gave us 2 million plus immigration from low skilled countries like Pakistan and Somalia. We used to get people from Poland and Lithuania

[@TheUtopiaStream]

When JP doesn’t read up on who is interviewing him and then attacks the interviewer for who they are 😂

@@TheUtopiaStream yes that was glorious calling the conservative government utterly incompetent -gove had to suck it up

[@johnbrereton5229]

So what's the difference? They are all immigrants that we never wanted and don't need !

[@importantjohn]

Brexit means Brexit.

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@importantjohn Brexit and unskilled immigration from third world shitholes have nothing to do with each other. With great power comes great responsibility. Jesus, even comic book nerds know that. It's not Brexiteers' fault that a bunch of Remoaners took up the mantle.

[@kiwitoffee]

Please. No more Michael Gove.

[@jimluebke3869]

Do you think it's worthwhile, if he takes this to heart? He's doing an impressive amount of listening here.

[@charlieweaver6322]

@@jimluebke3869 Gove is a smart man, but ultimately he's a coward. Like a lot of the Tories, they know this stuff, they understand it, but they will sit on their hands and allow bad things to happen on their watch rather than acting upon the knowledge they have. Jacob Rees-Mogg is the same. The amount of good-sounding stuff I've heard coming out of that man's mouth right after he's been ousted from government is infuriating. He wasn't born yesterday, and he hasn't just recently acquired this knowledge. He knew all this when he was in power but refused to act on it and now he is trying to blame Labour for his and his own party's failings. This is why I despise them. Labour are just idiots. The Conservatives should know better.

[@nthndnn]

I feel sorry for a heavyweight like JBP being interviewed by a much lesser man. Jordan was incredibly critical of the very government Gove sat in the cabinet of.

[@rufusreloaded1043]

Heavyweight? You have a low bar.

[@jimluebke3869]

So Gove isn't just some middling Spectator interviewer? It would have been nice if he's been interviewed by the woman who did the ad read, for purely aesthetic reasons.

[@pascal8306]

@@rufusreloaded1043 can you name one heavier weight?

[@Kyniel]

JBP talking to Gove? Pearls before swine.

[@ph8077]

Gove is not fit for purpose in this role. 'Spectator should get rid asap.

[@MiguelJackson22]

From Canada, and I’ve know about Jordan for many many years now. He’s one of our greatest exports ever.

[@manusha1349]

He really is ❤

[@Vacaiable]

Expat Canadian living in Norway here: It's a real shame that Jordan has had to leave Canada, it is a great loss for our country. I hope Trudeau is deposed soon because Canadians can neither afford the loss of inward investment, down by 70%, nor the outward brain drain of it's most important resource, its people. I want to come to Canada with my family but I can't afford it.

[@susiefraser9182]

I do believe you are watching a man who will one day be Prime Minister of Canada. 🍁

[@Vacaiable]

@@susiefraser9182 I really hope that comes true.

[@ianfraser6161]

I bet Canadians are glad he is gone. An utter moron.

[@JasonPilley]

Jordan Peterson told the truth about Tommy Robinson, time for the rest of you to step up.

[@sue.F]

Thank you so much Michael and Jordan and Merry Christmas to all Spectator viewers here.

[@llengsuch3426]

Great interview! Enjoyed it a lot. Dr JBP is brilliant and a real star!

[@ravens13able]

Bring back Fraser Nelson...

[@azar1354]

Why? Do you think Gove is not good as editor of Spectator or you dislike him as a politician ?

[@jonnysongs]

Nah. How about getting a conservative?

[@tomk8729]

Nelson was sopping wet in the end, a mass immigration apologist. Sound on some things like the covid lockdowns (almost the first mainstream voice to express skepticism), free speech, welfare reform and the waste of human potential from working age joblessness. Sadly he was a soggy metropolitan mess on net zero and green lunacy, the war on the motorist. He also had a shameful blind spot when it came to Farage and Reform. Gove is pretty good at re-inventing himself (I've liked Gove a lot in the past), is capable of changing his mind and recanting errors and I can see him taking to his new found freedom like a duck to water. Interviews like this one would never have happened under Nelson. He won't be scared to rock the Tory boat when he needs to.

[@LettyK]

No, can't stand the 'whispering'.

[@JohnCorrUK]

What is a Kamala Harris supporter doing fronting up a Spectator interview?

[@deefsound]

They’ve made him the editor. Yes, they actually did that.

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@deefsound Astounding.

[@jimluebke3869]

Listening. Hopefully it comes to something.

[@haymanhughes1121]

He's the editor no less

[@Aijan100]

Good for spectator to have Jordan as guest.

[@Popthekettleonlove]

I find looking a Michael Gove unsettlingly

[@rufusreloaded1043]

Nice adverb. What about listening the JP? Do you find it pointlessly?

[@SashaUK-tl9nl]

What the world needs is more Jordan Petersons and less Michael Goves.

[@dannyarcher6370]

* fewer

[@SashaUK-tl9nl]

@@dannyarcher6370 Thanks! I always get that wrong.

[@ianfraser6161]

Less of both. Ideally zero.

[@benjamin1720]

Need more Jordan Petersons in the world. UK can do with a good dose of common sense

[@MartinGreen932]

He’s obsessed with the old testament Ben. You couldn’t find anything less like common sense in the history of humans.

[@Vacaiable]

You haven't read it, so please save the hyperbole for something you actually know something about.

[@brightonduder]

@@MartinGreen932what do you mean obsessed with? And in what way? This sounds like a low resolution mid wit smear. Fair?

[@Vacaiable]

@@brightonduder Rather too kind I would say. I mean your comment.

[@rufusreloaded1043]

JP has common sense? He's a dark horse isn't he.

[@AndreiMuntean0]

With respect, I can’t believe Michael Gove is nodding along at Peterson’s scathing criticisms of policies he supported and says nothing! Is this a glimpse of the senior Tory plotter in action? His only remark was to advise him to speak to Badenoch (…one of his novices), but Peterson talking to Boris Johnson (the other Tory politician that was named) could be an order of magnitude more fruitful than Peterson speaking to the current temporary Tory leader.

[@AndreiMuntean0]

Peterson was scathing of the Conservatives’ green policies (side note: I disagreed with Peterson’s comments and had some counter-arguments in mind) whilst Gove said *nothing* - yet he once was the most visible Tory Greta cheerleader!

[@richardwoollaston3650]

I do not trust Gove - he has no backbone and no principles apart from self advancement. For this reason I won’t read or listen to Spectator material - sad because it used to be very good, sometimes.

[@iconicon5642]

This was the straw that cancelled the subscription. Gove is appalling.

[@jimluebke3869]

For those who are critical of Gove, it's well worth noting how much listening he's doing here. Whether it comes to anything remains to be seen of course, but for this hour at least, he is on the right track.

[@matthewkeith8605]

Ooof! He’s brutal to “The Tories”. Justifiably so though. I’m not completely sure he’s wrong about Bojo’s motivation there. He just about calledGove a dimwit to his face!

[@Vacaiable]

If the Tories are not man enough to hear the truth after the way they have wrecked England then they have no hope.

[@TheUtopiaStream]

… When JP doesn’t read up on who is interviewing him and then attacks the interviewer for who they are 😂

[@Vacaiable]

@@TheUtopiaStream I find it highly unlikely that Peterson didn't know who Gove was. He simply didn't care about upsetting Gove, maybe even felt he should tell him what a disaster the last Tory government was.

[@TheUtopiaStream]

@ I didn’t get that. Kemi is mentored by MG. I don’t think he would care about saying what he thinks but didn’t seem he knew. I thought it was amazing!

[@mostevil1082]

Gove probably isn't smart enough to notice.

[@richard201252]

Gove is lost and misplaced as Editor.

[@kenflike99]

Why on earth is Michael Gove hosting this?

[@bertharius9518]

He's the Spec's new editor

[@tomtom21194]

Sorry but Gove championed Blair's nee Labour approach. He is a weasel and he is responsible for a fair bit of the hell we are in

[@turquoiseowl]

supposed conservative Gove backed Kamala

[@TheUtopiaStream]

He represents his masters not the people.

[@davidcollins6996]

Wow Gove is completely out of his depth here. Can't even put together a coherent question. This guy should not be doing interviews - not sure why he got involved with the Spectator.

[@harrypalms453]

Gove is a clown. Who hired him?

[@rufusreloaded1043]

Probably on of those agencies that used to do kiss-a-grams.

[@manusha1349]

Absolutely love Jordan ❤

[@Vacaiable]

He is a national treasure. I think the tide is turning in Canada and maybe he will come home after a few years in the States. The Liberals will be out of power for decades with any luck, long enough to rebuild the country. So that young people can buy houses and feed themselves properly. Canada has become a laughing stock in Europe.

[@redactedsapien9090]

Peterson "slapped" Gove in this interview, hopefully him and his chums wake up. Doubt it though 🤷‍♂️

[@mindfulmw]

And Gove played a big part in the problem- don't expect any honesty from him though.

[@nickgood8166]

I like Peterson on social commentary and pretty much align with him politically. On religion, to me, he's as white noise.

[@Nuts-Bolts]

The Call a General Election petition in the UK has just reached over 3,000,000 signatures.

[@WhateverMan35]

If you had any knowledge about living in the UK. You would know that our democracy is not dedicated by a petition.

[@Dude0000]

@@WhateverMan35 there’s a law that says it must be discussed in Parliament, though.

[@WhateverMan35]

@Dude0000 yes, the parliament committee. Come back to me when its being discussed in the commons.

[@AlJayWright]

so another one? Then another one after that in 6 months? How many PMs in last 10 years? Shall we just call a new election every week?

[@importantjohn]

That means 90% of the voting public did not sign the petition. And what point would a GE prove? Reform are on 21%, Conservatives on 25%, Labour on 30% (and other left wing parties on 24%). We would re-elect Labour with perhaps a smaller majority. Unless the Conservatives and Reform make a pact, but I doubt they will.

[@diogenesagogo]

Has Jordan confronted the problem of suffering? It's my biggest problem with Christianity. Thus far I've got as far as two things I feel to be true: God is love. He who dwells in love dwells in the Lord. We are here to bear witness to the world.

[@jimluebke3869]

"_It's a Wonderful Life_ is an example of the kind of movie Hollywood used to make" Now we've traded out Capra for Kafka. Not even ironically. When the pendulum swings back, it will be all the more beautiful, I think.

[@zonianfjb]

Jordan subtly unsubtly going after Gove's record was incredible and so well-deserved. I don't particularly have a problem with Gove either, but man the incompetence of the administrations he was in.

[@ianelliott8224]

Jordan is a 💎. I hope Gove is learning.

[@davelightman]

Fantastic - thank you for sharing!

[@sue.F]

Charlie Pride’s “Silent Night” just got an enormous bump in popularity.

[@cool_training_tips]

Superb. What a guy. "The Conservatives need a great slap". Said to Michael Gove (who took it very calmly, but perhaps should have challenged). I love the blunt, simple summary of how the Conservatives failed us over the past decade. JBP. Just magnificent.

[@markschwartz7480]

Liz Schwartz: Fantastic interview! Just an idea. Maybe fix your audio. It sounds like Navi Peterson has a lisp, and I know he does not. I've seen this happen before, most recently on a Trump interview.

[@WildCornoviiStudio]

I thought he lost a tooth

[@jimluebke3869]

"The barbarians are at the gates" At? Inside, surely.

[@user-ez3il1yy6i]

Scarcity = Dependency = Control ... 💯%

[@Nuts-Bolts]

I can remember what started the CO2 scare. In 1987 Reagan withdrew government subsidies on civilian nuclear power in the expectation that future nuclear station would be built by private enterprise. But due to the ‘Three Mile Island’ melt down, nuclear was unpopular. Also, with nuclear stations it takes a long 25 years before profits bring a return on the investment. Therefore, as nuclear power does not produce CO2 they wheeled in two planetary scientists with a wacky idea that Venus was hot because of its atmosphere rich in CO2 and to hell with honest thermodynamics and physics. This is why the IPCC has always refused point blank to debate ‘their version of science’ in a public forum where their scam would quickly be shown for what it is. They even changed what the 97% were agreeing to. This unsound hypothesis was the basis used for inventing Carbon Credits as a sweetener to would-be-investors of private nuclear power projects. The legislation for carbon credits however, was written up so loosely that imaginative company tax accountants could find ways of magically pulling them out of thin air. This lead to a flood of people climbing on board the gravy train. You bet they will holla and shout, cancel, and excommunicate anybody that tries to derail it. In the mean time, planet Earth is quickly taking us to the next Ice Age and we are being prevented from properly preparing.

[@WhateverMan35]

Venus is hot and it hotter than Mercury which is closest to the sun (avg 422c vs 150c). While the Green house gases make the planet hot, its also because the planet's air density is many magnitudes to that of earth.

[@mostevil1082]

Michael Gove speaking about morality is borderline comedy. A very odd choice for editor, he's a Rory Stewart without the niceness.

[@DeanCowan]

"YOU DIMWITS!" ❤

This is why leaving the EU was such a disaster, we used to get people from Poland and Lithuania now we get them from Somalia and Pakistan. Great :/

[@lk4136]

Interesting that he mentioned JD Vance, Gove himself had a hard start in life.

[@shughy1]

How do you think Gove got to this point though, was it through "good" decisions or "bad"?

[@smhollanshead]

Your question to Jordan Peterson about whether he’s a Christian is difficult to answer because the question is too narrow and incomplete. Jordan is also a careful and humble man. So, his answer will be circumspect. The answer also requires great self awareness. Know thy self is a constant battle. My perception is Jordan is a Christian, and I call him a prophet. Jordan is a Jew, and I call him a Rabbi. Jordan is a Muslim, and I call him my brother. What then is Jordan Peterson? Jordan is a follower of Abraham. So, what does Abraham say to do? Go out into the world, tell the truth, and you will have an adventure of your life. That is the basis of the Abrahamic faith. Abraham is the creator and the genesis of three great religions. I believe that’s a better and more accurate description of Jordan Peterson.

[@jimluebke3869]

"The Greens are trying to regulate everything right down to how much water toilets use" An update to Elijah's joke would be, "Maybe the global warming catastrophe isn't here yet because it's still in the bathroom, trying to get the toilet to flush completely"

[@lordhogarth]

Excellent interview.

[@jeromedenis100]

Love Jordan ❤

[@Creality.R.Crooks]

What do you sacrifice when you pay attention to one vision and one sound and one smell and one taste (or one mouthful), and one body's feeling and one mind's moods at the same time? It is all you ever had to sense. Your choice of what to see, hear, smell, taste touch and feel is called Free Will.

[@stevesteve6545]

Never underestimate or write off Michael Gove

[@timsimmons590]

Get rid of Gove please !

[@sisiphas]

Don’t be too hard on Gove, he IS very skilled outside of politics and in it, his ideas on education were excellent and despite everyone being agsinst him (in effect) there ate some excellent continuing schools that would not exist were it not for Gove. He will bd a good editor of the Soeccie too! Glad he js there

[@unblessedcoffee1457]

Gove just looks totally mystified throughout this interview...

[@Imaginary_Life_UK]

Has he come straight from the dentist?

[@washbelly]

I came for the Spectator ... and found The Daily Wire!

[@chrisdixon6689]

Based.

[@tomk8729]

He's spot on about Fataturk. What a disaster for all things Conservative.

[@duames]

Piss off Gove , you're destroying this channel !

Not sure carol vorderman could follow this 😂

[@CK-R]

I would have been very interested in Gove's views. I would have liked a longer conversation as Gove has been instrumental in allowing conservatism to drain from the Conservative Party, and he needs to account for himself. No doubt collective responsibility would be an excuse for some policy but he has no excuse for being a Covid/Net Zero zealot, or for failing to make something of Brexit. He was, arguably and ironically, too loyal to party and put it over countrty.

[@BabyDogOfJustice]

Great 2 establishment figures trying to tell us things aren't really that bad. We don't hate boomers enough.

[@edmundironside9435]

Peterson looks increasingly unwell with each video I see him in, does anyone know how he's doing?

[@rufusreloaded1043]

Less of this windbaggery. Bring back coherence and concision.

[@mellowmax]

Oh Christ, can Gove go back behind the curtain

[@Creality.R.Crooks]

Why don't they sell Good Fortune at the 711 stores?

[@bojannikolic4474]

Commercial for SPECTATOR : "This is your last chance to pick up THE BRAVE PONE. Call 911...... We do not answer to any harm done by Jordan B. Peterson or being associated with him."

[@eleanorcollins8616]

Gove is really out of his depth here. He is not an intellectual. He has no idea how to respond, let alone challenge or provoke Peterson. I don't know why he got involved with the Spectator.

[@JohnAtkinson-v5z]

What is the point of this convo..... unless Gove wants to lead the tory party and get the top job in telling the public more fairytales.

[@rufusreloaded1043]

A windbag's windbag.

[@maynardgent6708]

Jordan Peterson still unable to give a convincing answer on these points, presumably because he's so entrenched. Ironically he falls back on postmodernism principles which unfortunately undermines a lot of his other arguments

[@Lacey13-i3b]

Those dentures are giving you a lisp, Peterson

[@macfaichen2658]

@hydraulic jack He is at home probably looking at the lake and forest, relaxed… give him a break

[@johnintheuk00]

‘Ya dimwits…’, yep that includes you Gove 😂

[@martincrocker7154]

Bible Stories and what Bears do in the wood have symmetry yet behaving like an Ostrich is modus operandi , Pob when you were in office you did absolutely bugger all Merry Christmas to everyone still aboard the Good Ship Spectator

[@johndavies3082]

In my opinion, for what it's worth , Jordan appears attracted to these Biblical stories as a reflection of his own struggles and trials. Is he Noah wisely hearing God's voice and preparing to save civilisation from the flood of ignorance and evil ? Or Job being unfairly tested by the whims of an unreasonable God?Clearly the bible narrative appeals to his own attempt to make sense of life. I hope he's not boxing himself in though. The Enlightenment occurred for very good reasons . To me this looks like an intellectual closing In. My main problem is the Biblical insistence on the fundamental flaw in human nature.

[@lknight5579]

53:09 awkward

[@dwrdaveuk]

I'm 5 mins in and I'm complete disoriented - he's clearly very smart, but just can't focus on concise answers.

[@matthewkeith8605]

Yes true, I find it difficult too. But to answer honestly he must go into depth, and if nothing else he aspires to be honest.

[@llengsuch3426]

Perhaps you're too conditioned by hallow soundbites and superficial politicians' answers. Dr JBP goes deep, and as I'm sure he would say, a question about a complex matter requires a long answer. So buckle-up, Bucko!

[@AlJayWright]

@@llengsuch3426 he speaks a load of absolute waffle. Head buried so deep down rabbit holes he's no longer thinking cogently

[@llengsuch3426]

@@AlJayWright Maybe you wouldn't say so if you had read Jung and/or Eliade.

[@AlJayWright]

@@llengsuch3426 can't say i've read those chaps

[@vh1775]

I used to like Peterson but I’ve no fucking idea what he is going on about now.

[@Vacaiable]

Try playing the video again, make sure you are sober. You said you made your bed, that's a good start. Stop swearing it adds nothing. If you are more specific about what precisely, you don't understand I will try and explain it for you.

[@vh1775]

@@Vacaiable Do you need a hug? Cum ‘ere lad, I got you 🤗

[@sue.F]

Yes, professing ignorance of Peterson has become a popular trope, it’s like those people who boast that they’ve never read a book - ludicrous!

[@AlJayWright]

@@Vacaiable can you write this using correct English grammar?

[@mike-lo4rt]

Can never understand what Jordan is talking about.

[@Lacey13-i3b]

This was terrible. He is living in the past, and makes crap up that he then endlessly repeats and beats to death. His anger, and and bitter tone, and and moralizing is so off-putting.

[@MartinGreen932]

Very sad that the once brilliant Peterson insisted on spending half the chat on his religious derangement syndrome garbage. Gove should have insisted on talking about real issues in a thoroughly rational way like Peterson used to do before he got ill.

[@shughy1]

Calling it derangement syndrome is beyond stupid, just because he talks about a subject you don't agree with. I think there's plenty of strong lessons in it for everyone whether you are religious or not

[@narkelnaru2710]

I'm not here to malign anyone post disrespectfully. But alas, calling Mr. Peterson a _leading_ public intellectual is like calling BoJo a paragon of truth.

[@Vacaiable]

You just did exactly what you said you weren't here to do.

[@narkelnaru2710]

@Vacaiable Indeed. I should have said I wouldn't do it mindlessly.

[@llengsuch3426]

Nah. Dr JBP is the real deal - which is why he gets so much snark from idiot lefties.

[@shughy1]

I'll take your thoughts with a pinch of salt since the person you slag is a best selling author and you've not progressed beyond KZbin comments

[@narkelnaru2710]

@@shughy1 A pinch of salt is what you need. Since the paragon of truth (or Truth, if you prefer) is a proven liar. Maybe you're among those buyers of best-selling books. May there be more of you ! A fool and his money are soon parted.

[@HarryBuxley]

Unfortunately this is at the tail end of JBPs influence and he is mostly just repeating himself in old-age and fancy suits at this point. He has been corrupted by internet fame and is not a useful guide anymore. It's sad to see, I wish he'd retire and maybe come back later at some point with something new but it's becoming increasingly unlikely.

[@michaelgilday]

Never been a fan of this guy, could not cope with more than 10 minutes he talks crap.

[@ipredictariot6371]

You’re just the type of person he’s speaking to most, but you also have to voluntarily do some work yourself.

[@Vacaiable]

Moronic comment. The Jordan Peterson haters are out today. You really don't have to watch the video, you know that don't you?

[@Nuts-Bolts]

@@Vacaiable This is to be expected I would have said from The Spectator audience.

[@tman8897]

What Gove or JP?

[@Vacaiable]

@@tman8897 He needs to read Jordan Peterson's book for non academics " 12 Rules for life ": Rule number 10 "Be precise in your speech ". That book is full of the best advice.

[@sisiphas]

Don’t be too hard on Gove, he IS very skilled outside of politics and in it, his ideas on education were excellent and despite everyone being agsinst him (in effect) there ate some excellent continuing schools that would not exist were it not for Gove. He will bd a good editor of the Soeccie too! Glad he js there