Why the Bronze Age Collapse matters today. Dr. Eric Cline (If Civilization Collapsed Would We Know?)

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[@gabo1841997]

Holy **** I've been thinking about this since the crisis started. This is the 1 video I didn't know I needed. And with my favorite Archeologist uncle. FANTASTICC

[@seanbissett-powell5916]

Great video ! Let's hope Dr Cline's sequel comes out before the collapse gets too bad. Probably best to do a copy on a permanent medium (on bronze or copper leaf, stone or something else that doesn't rust or degrade), just to give future historians a primary source.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Imagine carrying that book around, hahaha! Thanks for watching!

[@raginald7mars408]

the egyptians invented papyrus- still readable- but who wil be abe to read it...

[@ryanb9749]

Just make a library on the moon...

[@pedroguilayn]

Great video! We are all major admirers of Dr. Cline´s work.

[@mireillelebeau2513]

1177 Abel of Miletus "it will be a v shape recovery"

[@exnihilonihilfit8645]

The problem is like there’s no civilization redundancy. We are so interconnected that we have turned our society into a mortgage backed security... lol. If enough of the stuff is broken then it will break the whole system... Disintegration is not a bad thing.

[@lilitheden748]

Dr. Kline is totally right. We have to look at history to gain knowledge about how we can do better than the people in the past. My late history teacher always said “ If you don’t know the past then how can you avoid to make the same mistakes in the future?”. Well I guess he did get it right after all. It’s a bit depressing for me that so few young people know about history. Even the history of their country is so poorly known. I think they miss out on a lot of valuable knowledge that can’t be replaced by things like the social media or the oh so popular PC games. I will certainly buy your revised book.

[@chrisrhodes2]

Wish I could hear other experts talk about this. This guy gets put on by every channel.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

That’s because he is the best my friend!

[@DanishGSM]

What a great show. Thanks so much

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Our pleasure! And I am thrilled that you enjoyed it!

[@DanishGSM]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 well I believe in our History, and your Work is great I think.

[@dorasmith7875]

I'm really looking forward to how the world came back. In the Mediterranean that was a dark age, but up north whatever led up to the wealth and power of the tribes of central Europe was going on, and one rather thinks that maybe interchange of languages and goods never stopped.

[@michaels4255]

Those tribes would not have wealth and power for another 2000 years.

[@annepoitrineau5650]

It took centuries for this come back, so we will not be around.

[@kanyekubrick5391]

Fantastic! Thank you so much for showing maps.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

My pleasure! And as always I thank you for your viewership and interaction!

[@alanporch8320]

Very good session here with Dr Cline. History has always been sort of a hobby with me. We are fortunate to have this web site. I've been reading this material for years and it is great know what a valuable resource this is. Thank you for making this available

[@madshagen5849]

The interconnectedness went event farther than Dr. Clines "Italy to Afghanistan"-range. A few years ago some blue glass-pearls were found in a late bronze-age tomb here in Denmark. An isotype-analysis showed that they originated from Egypt. Presumably the Danish tradegood was amber.

[@tejpatel5320]

That's a cool fact! Also, I think Cline was just giving an example, an important example.

[@walterulasinksi7031]

Since one of the major factors of the Bronze age world was “inter empire” trade extending most likely throughout the known world of the time, .from Indus and most likely as far as the steppes into Mongolia and as far West as Britain. It would seem that the breakdown if trade with the Tin resource of Britain that the financial house of cards would have broken down. As with trade from the north and east, the civilizations between the furthest points acted as the middlemen in such trade. So to just concentrate upon the Middle East civilizations is insufficient. We must cast our nets further afield. There have been other parallels of economic dislocations and we have various histories that have recorded what happened locally. For this collapse to make sense, I recommend investigating the crucial link between Britain and the rest of the consumer civilizations. If we can determine why that trade in Tin broke down, we will have a better understanding of the nature of the actions of the collapse. And the initial source of the “Sea Peoples”. A crucial factor would be what we can find regarding the collapse in Spain and Portugal those being the first coastal links to the Mediterranean. Or did it actually start in Britain? Was it a refusal of trade? Or some kind of possible trade barriers from the Atlantic coast ports? Even with the breakdown of the Minoan culture of Circa 1550 BCE, the trade routes would have still existed and other people’s would have tried to fill the gap. Such as trying to extend the trade route from Ugarit to Cyprus to take up the loss of the Minoan central routes. So, the breakdown must have occurred from a distant location where the central civilizations could do nothing to stop it. Rather than any kind of trade war, which would have been recorded somewhere.

[@onkelmicke9670]

Copper and tin continued to flow into Scandinavia and the Bronze age didn't end.

[@walterulasinksi7031]

Onkel Micke, if this copper and tin were from Britain, ( most likely, ) the the inter connected trade routes on the Iberian peninsula would be the most likely to have broken down. We can talk about our own supply chains for goods and resources. This concept is not new and would have had more links as traders would have wanted to limit their risk. Is there any research regarding Iberia for the 1200-1177 time period? If some kind of disaster occurred across Iberia first even an extended local drought, such could have set off the chain of events. And caused Dr. Cline’s “ Perfect Storm “ concept. A local war on the Peninsula could have caused a more devastating effect in not only breaking the supply chain but also creating refugees that could have become the Sea Peoples. Much more field work needs to be done on both Eastern and Western fringes of the collapse.

[@faithlesshound5621]

Are you hinting that an ancient "Brexit" of some sort may have impacted the supply of bronze, especially in the West?

[@walterulasinksi7031]

@@faithlesshound5621 Not at all. As I stated, there were many intermediaries in the supply chain and a disruption from any major portion of the chain would have a domino effect. A true picture of this portion of history needs to include all aspects of events that can cause a disruption in the supply chain. It needs to include possible explanations for the advent of the Sea Peoples. The narrative from Egypt, indicates that they were a conglomerate group from many sources. Since I made this comment, there have been reports from archeological sites that would seem to indicate that Britain was not the source of the breakdown. While The Cornwall Tin source cannot be discounted, it was most likely that it was not the main source of Tin during the Bronze Age. There is greater evidence that the Iberian peninsula was the greater source and the disruption began there. As to the cause of the breakdown, more evidence is needed as to wether there was an environmental cause for the Einfield incursion from southern Gaul into the Eastern portion of Iberia, or if it was one of conquest for gain. The former could lead to disruption due to an inability to understand the complexities of large scale trade and the elimination of those that had such knowledge. In the latter, it would be purposeful disruption for gain. While there is evidence of environmental conditions affecting the entire Mediterranean region, more evidence is needed to the north of the Pyrenees range to give credence for the former., as any environmental difficulty such as a persistent drought, would have also affected the agricultural areas of Iberia. This too could have been possible and the incursion might have been the breaking link of a tenuous chain. It can be considered that local agriculture generally supplies the local need and the importation of food stuffs is used to supplement the local supply and for products unavailable in a given locality. Then the laws of supply and demand apply. If the local and imported supply be at maximum for the environmental conditions, then an incursion for food will overtax both the local and imported supply thus beginning such a domino effect.

[@kevinduperret1910]

Can't wait for the sequel!

[@0the0ambient0]

Eerie how timely this topic feels. Great video.

[@gudmundursteinar]

I'm fascinated by this period. There is some stuff I'd like to understand better. A similar collapse process seems to happen in India and China around the same time (100 years later in China, a bit earlier in India). What seems to end, in addition to trade, is forced tribute. All the tribes and cities which formerly paid tribute stop. This seems to happen along the entire axis from Mycenae to China. So what I want to understand better is the economy of force projection; viz. how to coerce tribute. What is the point of a palace complex if you can't collect enough tribute to fund trading missions for bronze? What is the point of bronze weapons and armor if with a shovel and bucket and bellows you can make iron weapons for 10x as many men, even if those weapons are inferior to bronze at that time.

[@edstar83]

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[@deborahdean8867]

So are you saying the collapse of the bronze age was brought on by the iron age?

[@myothersoul1953]

The thing that is different today from pandemics of past is we know what is going on, we have means to deal with it. That doesn't mean we can or will, but it's a difference, a big difference.

[@faithlesshound5621]

Just looking at the pandemics of the past, the experts of the time always thought they knew what was going, it's just that later science has taught us that they were wrong, and so some of their efforts were in retrospect misguided. Influenza was thought since the 1890's to be due to the bacterium we now call Haemophilus influenzae, but somehow vaccines against it were no use during epidemics. Now we know why. Earlier on, purging, vomiting and bleeding were in vogue as medical treatments, especially in dire cases. It took a lot of argument before we stopped using "desperate measures" in desperate cases (remember what Shakespeare said). Earlier still, the medical faculty of the University of Paris was consulted about the Black Death. Their answer included things like the positions of the stars and planets and also recent innovations like communal baths, some of which were then closed down.

[@myothersoul1953]

@@faithlesshound5621 If you set out look for all the times experts got it wrong you will only find the times experts got it wrong. If you set out only looking for when experts got it right you will only find the times when they got it right. The experts don't always get it right but they get it right a lot more than the non-experts. If all the advice of experts had been completely ignored during this pandemic it would have been much worse.

[@deborahdean8867]

@@myothersoul1953 frankly, the only bit of expert advice we got right was wash your hands and stay home if you're sick. Lockdowns and masks will be shown to be insufficient and incubating in the future, which many experts are of the opinion today. One thing is different, the ability of the masses to know what's going on politically with experts.

[@walterulasinksi7031]

There are many more factors within the economic structure of the Bronze Age world as the extent of trade to the east extends to the Mongolian steppes where horses originate . The Indus civilization where 5he cobra iconography of Egypt could only have originated as the cobra is only native to India. And as far west as Britain. The major source of Tin according to metallurgical spectrography of the associated impurities. Found in the Cyprus shipwrecks. So it is necessary to base the collapse upon a breakdown of trade. Therefore it will be necessary to investigate the Iberian peninsula for evidence as that is the key point of a trading network for Tin. A breakdown of the middlemen in this network would have begun to form the “Sea Peoples” that are said to have come from the West. From my studies this trade network would most likely have had several segments. The Atlantic The Coastal, The Western Mediterranean, the central Mediterranean and the eastern Mediterranean.

[@roberttherrien352]

I will buy the revision from his book.

[@j.v.1093]

Awesomeness.

[@kanyekubrick5391]

“History rhymes” mind blown.

[@rudged123]

Yes, we are living in an age in which a total systems collapse might lead to the end of civilization. But we also living in a time that is different from the end of the bronze age in hundreds if not thousands of ways. A vague admonishment that we should take steps to avert such a collapse is wholly unsatisfactory. Given the title, I expected the interview to explore the relevancy of studying the bronze age collapse for our current situation in greater detail, and in particular, address the obvious - why the numerous differences in all facets of life between our situation now and then should not lull us into a false complacency that it couldn't happen again.

[@davidmorton8332]

Great stuff. I read the book a few years ago.

[@tonytaskforce3465]

If this catastrophe hadn't happened, we'd be 800 years ahead with eternal youth and interstellar travel.

[@kerrybarnes2002]

I am also very interested in the period after the collapse. Can anyone suggest materials to read on this? I was planning to write an essay on intermittent periods of civilization

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Aside from 1177 BC by Cline there are so many awesome ones out there. I am on vacation and won't be back until Tuesday, I can send you a list if you'd like!

[@kerrybarnes2002]

Yes! That would be great! If possible ones which are possible to download free ebooks. Also, I want to focus on technology the way Dr. Cline has detailed about the decline of Bronze working in favor of Iron. And also things like climate change, etc. Most materials aside from Cline seem to focus more on cultural and political aspects, that I have come across. Much appreciated.

[@jamienelson3470]

Fascinating.

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[@gabo1841997]

The current state of civilization feels like a twisted mix between the beginning of Spenglerian Winter and early bronze age collapse.

[@massimosquecco203]

I've read this book in 2014 and I've enjoyed very-very much especially because it was my holiday-reading book in Crete. I remember to have it finished during an excursion to Siteia and I was cross to myself because I did it too quickly: I had still a couple of days to spend on the island without proper stuff to read during the transportations from a place to the other. Please hurry up with the sequel, but I doubt I'll read the revised original script: 6 years is still too early for me because I paid a lot of attention to 1177. I 've always been obsessed with the mysteries of the sea people and:- YES _ I m convinced I've lived in person that Epoque!

[@staticdynamic1605]

fascinating stuff

[@tkgsingsct]

Revision and sequel????? Yes, please!!!

[@youregonnaattackthem]

What article was it that Dr Cline was interviewed for that he mentions?

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

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[@electricboogie709]

History is great. Takes us away.

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[@a.randomjack6661]

Excellent speaker. I did listen to a few of his lectures, he's always interesting.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Completely agree! If you have audible he has so many more lectures on there and they are awesome!

[@senecanzallanute4066]

Cline is a mythological figure... Seriously though, I love the fact that he is publishing a new edition of 1177BC with new data on the climate crisis. My problem with the idea of a 'perfect storm' of multifarious elements is that even perfect storms have a driving factor -- one thing that matters above all others. Climate change can explain famine, which can explain social turmoil, which can explain strife, which can explain migration, which can explain war...

[@Dosadniste2000]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 It too bad you try to politicize it to make it relevant in present time. This pandemic is not destroying the planet, Kim is a defensive guy, the only offensive one is US empire, and so on...

[@RockawayCCW]

Are there any surviving examples of Peloset/Phillistine writing? If so, is it similar to Linear A or Linear B from Crete, where they possibly came from?

[@OVTraveller]

With the focus on the eastern Mediterranean Sea, might it not be time to investigate the Western Mediterranean populations. What evidence is available of the capacity of those populations to impact upon the east as the various power groups declined.

[@ryanb9749]

Has he ever addressed the issue that historical records from Egypt place the eruption of Thera at 1500 bc, but our scientific data suggests it happened around 1625bc?

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

If civilization collapsed today, would we know?

[@a.randomjack6661]

Welcome to the Anthropocene...

[@99xstallerthanmost]

It is collapsing now!

[@onkelmicke9670]

Yeah, we've noticed

[@chubbymoth5810]

It can easily collapse the coming few decades. So many options for self destruction with one pretty obvious looming over us. The next outbreak will be fought with discipline once the Covid is over. I just hope that everyone starts understanding our interconnectivity on things like climate change and the probable mass extinction that goes with it has become clearer. But as a historian I am sad to say I have some serious doubt. Though if we pray at the gods of technology hard enough we may overcome total destruction on the brink of the era of the bacterium. Which may well be an AI super cognition who wisely divides us up in Morgoth and the other type and doesn't bother about us for eons. But let's do one crisis at the time. The sure death thingy. Can't hurt to write the story how we screwed up this time though. But what do we carve in stone these days?

[@senecanzallanute4066]

We are born into this civilization, and that very fact makes it 'eternal' to our minds. So, no, I don't think we would 'know' unless something so emblematic happened to make that conclusion inevitable -- something similar to the fall of Rome in 474 AD and the deposition of Romulus Augustus. The feelings of decadence, which many observers of current events experience, are different. Those are rooted in psychology, and are generally disconnected from actual events.

[@TheMrgoodmanners]

Just subbed good content man

[@Seyfudin]

The two other centers of bronze production were Transylvania and the Caucasus.

[@backdoorslam]

Are there any evidence of Tin and Copper deposits close to each other? I wonder how Bronze was first produced, before commerce allowed to sustain it.

[@twocrows2]

I have to wonder if, as one disaster followed another which followed another, a deep abiding pessimism also set in. After all, it must have seemed as if their gods had all abandoned them at the same time. And, at a time when reliance on the gods was central to their understanding of themselves, many people must have wondered, "What's the point of trying to recover?"

[@IIVVBlues]

The difference between the Bronze Age and today is communication. Everyone who cares to know, knows almost instantly what's happening anywhere on the planet, if it is of any significance. This knowledge changes everything. Now, what could plunge us into chaos is a catastrophic failure of our communications infrastructure by say an EMP from mass coronal ejection or something similar like a use of nuclear weaponry. Whether this would be a chaos from which we could recover is open for debate, but I'm betting that we would recover very quickly. Our civilization is now pretty much global, transcending our major political states. Political states may come and go, but our civilization will continue. There will be no "dark age" as in the past.

[@deborahdean8867]

Dark age didnt mean return to stone age or primitive, it referred to the lack of communication primarily (trade) tight? Even though there MAY have been a slip in the standard of living.....for some. If that's the case, we could definitely go into a age of 'darkness'. It would take a long time to get Writing up to par if there was a technology crash. Besides, it's looking like we had more than one dark age of collapse. The period before the pyramids, indian temples, indicate long lost knowledge we've never regained

[@kyjo72682]

Wow. I had no idea they traded tin across such distances at the time.

[@chrisrhodes2]

Which parts are outdated now?

[@digkabri]

Nothing outdated; just updated. There is now more data available, which supports all of the points, but which also points to climate change (drought) as the prime mover, among the many stressors.

[@michaels4255]

@@digkabri Yes, the hydrological cycle is critical, which is why even some tropical areas such as East Africa suffered during the LIA. Local conditions may vary, but, on average, a cooler world is a dryer world and a warmer world is a wetter world (more evaporation).

[@johnsamu]

Just update the title to "2020 A.D. THE YEAR WESTERN CIVILIZATION COLLAPSED" and the book will be good for another 2000 years. You just need to change the names of the civilizations.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Dude, I totally thought about doing that!

[@demoncore5342]

Makes me wonder what could even cause a proper collapse of a civilization nowadays. There are just way too much resources and technology around at this point. Unless the universe decides to give us a finger by a random asteroid...

[@Lorax_Tribe]

@@demoncore5342 We only frack and scrape tar sands, using huge amounts of fossil fuels to get at them, because the oil resources are dwindling. The fish have almost all been harvested, not able to replenish themselves, agriculture has exhausted the land, climate catastrophe hangs in the air, but we have plenty of tech, dude!

[@demoncore5342]

@@Lorax_Tribe But sure my dude, I keep on hearing that since 80's, so sorry I'm not bothered to explain why none of those actually matters.

[@michaels4255]

@@demoncore5342 Those matter a lot. Oil, gas, coal (yes, coal) and U235 are all depleting rapidly according to geologists. Solar and wind are not adequate replacements, and require raw materials that are also depleting. Other things that could bring modern civ down: collapse of the power grid from either human attacks or a powerful CME (such as the one in AD 774/775 during Charlemagne's reign); the return of the great ice age (although probably another 1500 years before we turn the corner into that disaster); falling general intelligence, which according to the most up to date resource has been falling about a point per decade -- the decline was camouflaged by the Flynn Effect in the 20th century, but the Flynn Effect petered out in a number of developed countries in the 1990s; rising mutational load, which threatens the survival of all but the most primitive and backward peoples; and of course a confluence of multiple adverse factors all happening at once.

[@nukelaloosh4795]

off the charts aarp uptalker

[@veteranscannabisadvocacygr5401]

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[@mat9813004]

Collapse of the Maya ceremonal urban centres, Collapse of Teotihuacan various non classical cultures.

[@atlet1]

Today we have a big part of the wealth of the world controlled by a few super rich and the rest in dept. This will cause a collapse. Was there similar economic and power structures during the bronze age that made their economy collapse? We know there was a climate cathastrophy, which by the way always is colder temperatures. Warmer is always better.

[@kevinyaucheekin1319]

Delusional young one warmer is not necessary better if the West or even worse the East Antartctic ice sheet melts down. What do you think will happen. Engage brain before engaging fingers.

[@deborahdean8867]

@@kevinyaucheekin1319 if or when the magnetic pole shifts, there will be great change in which areas are warm and which are not. It will necessitate a reshuffle. Our last population boom, over a couple of thousand years, did occur during a solar maximum resulting in global warming AND we are now entering a minimum again. But I personally think it all hinges on food supply . More protein and calories, and the fuel to accomplish it.

[@kevinyaucheekin1319]

@@deborahdean8867 Magnetic fields do not or at least magnetic fields, generate by our planet rotating iron/nickel semi molten core do not meanifully impact on climate. The inclination of our planet, ambient solar output of our sun, latitdue, elevation, geographical relief, proximity to large water bodies, ambient temperature of large water bodies + currents that influence/dictate water temperatures, degree of albedo of surface topography, changing proximity of earth to sun in its orbit, air pressure/wind direction, those are the primary drivers of ambient local temperature & climate. However greenhouse gases are a major factor in contemporary & projected foreseeable temperature rises. If the East Antarctic ice sheet were to totally melt say within 300 or so years or less. Ambient sea levels will go up by 196 feet alone. If one factors in the 4 degrees celcius of warming that will be required to do that within 300 years. Given that the Ocean is such a good heat sink how good unknowable now guesstimates, one then factors the thermal expansion of water it anywhere btw another 5 to 20 feet of thermal expansion of seawater in a 4 degrees of celcius warming world over 300 years. So well over 200 feet sea level rise if the East Antarctic ice sheet goes over 300 years in a 4 degree celcius of warming world. In that world, agricultural output will crash & human populations too.

[@deborahdean8867]

@@kevinyaucheekin1319 not reading all that but yes, electromagnetic sphere certainly does impact climate. The magnetic sphere protects the earth . The effect of the sun on the magnetic sphere affects the jet stream for one. And the magnetic world affects earthquake and volcanic activity which also affect the climate. When we have a solar flare it actually presses the magnetic sphere and stabilizes the jet stream. When there is a solar minimum with few flares, the jet stream gets more wobbly.....like now when its higher north and causing heat waves and irregular weather patterns. We are beginning a cycle of solar minimum, so expect turbulent and changing weather patterns for quite a while. I think its projected we wont be thoroughly into it for a matter of decades .

[@deborahdean8867]

@@kevinyaucheekin1319 I THINK its projected that our magnetic poles will shift and what is a frozen north today could be a frozen Amazon of tomorrow. You know they have found mammoth fossils in the arctic with buttercup in their mouths. My opinion is, it's all about sun activity because that even sets off volcanic and earthquake activity.

[@johnlavers3970]

so hammurappi wasn't a regifter. wow, seinfeld in the bronze age

[@shardanette1]

Nick, at this point after many episodes on the Late Bronze Age Collapse, please respect your audience and your excellent guests enough to skip the summaries of the collapse and get into some nuts and bolts. Thanks.

[@rutabagasteu]

I fully agree. Cut to the why. Preliminary for a different video.

[@mktwatcher]

An earthquake under the sea could also have caused far reaching sunami throughout the Mediterranean

[@petersellers9219]

Boy, do I hope we don't get hit by invaders.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

It has already happened, look at those murder hornets!

[@senecanzallanute4066]

Invaders come in different shapes and forms. The Goths who overturned the Roman empire were recent immigrants turned soldiers turned disgruntled (=unpaid!) sooldiers. They were a great temporary solution to the endemic demographic decline of western Europe, part of the end f the Roman Climate Optimum, but failure to integrate them turned out to be lethal. Sounds familiar?

[@garymingy8671]

They can bee shot , hornets are gernadeable , I'm not yet likely to be outwitted by an insect , gaint bee or snot , hair spray and a lighter , whoosh ! Oh in Japan they farm those bees for food. They are edible. Toast , goners . Doomed.410 for sport. Tiny bird shot in a 22...

[@horace9703]

The West is hit by invaders. From Middle East and Africa. The only difference is, we don't resist, but open the gates ourselves and provide them in addition with everything.

[@daviddana339]

Dr. Cline - don't forget the MEGA inflation as many countries around the world [including the World Bank] are printing money like there's no tomorrow. Many economists are cautioning about a serious world economic collapse.

[@annepoitrineau5650]

I am watching this in May 2022. The Bronze Age collapse sounds even more relevant: we have probably escaped Covid, but we will suffer due to the consequences of Putin's attacks on Ukraine. The monkey pox, in itself not a big thing, is hitting. But, due to Climate change, the sheer number of humans on the planet and how much we now travel, more pathogens will move. Will we notice if we collapse? Excellent question.

[@scarlett9050]

Biden and the globalists will collapse us sooner than any of that. And all of that started long before Rus/Ukr

[@deborahdean8867]

We will suffer because of bidens sanctions on Russian oil/gas, not because putin invaded Ukraine. But of course this is a PLANNED collapse which is why it was done. Monkey pox won't kill is, but man tinkering with bio weapons could. In other words, its probably not natural disease we have to worry about until water and electricity fail. Another factor would be the weakening of mankind's health by overuse of various chemicals in and in food . Unhealthy people dont survive well. Plus, our population is top heavy with old people not meant to survive.......if alot of people die, you have to look at age and disability because in a normal, natural population those people might not really count . They do not represent a population of people in their prime and what they can survive and accomplish. I would say the biggest threat today is a collapse of technology (like doing away with oil/gas which keeps it going) or mankind killing himself by genetically tinkering with something he knows practically nothing about. Literally like a chimp playing with nuclear power

[@michaelfalsia6062]

There is nothing like good solid untainted honest scholarship. No political correctness allowed!

[@charachoppel3116]

The fall of the Roman empire was preceded by several phases of large declines in population, for instance due to several plagues. How did the Late Bronze Age populations develop before and during the collapse?

[@Funk5Punk]

Climate change, deforestation, natural disasters and the consequent moving populations resulted to the collapse of the Bronze Age.

[@TheRick8866]

13 people dislike this video. What is the world coming to ?

[@elidelamerced1777]

BECAUSE PEOPLE DISCOVER IRON

[@walterulasinksi7031]

All the Tin found at Cyprus shipwrecks have been shown to be from Britain according to the archeological metallurgists .

[@digkabri]

If you read their actual reports, you will see that your statement is not correct. The media misreported the actual findings. The metallurgists said that "some" of the tin "might" be from Britain -- I believe it was one anomalous ingot in particular that caught their attention. Most of the tin found in this area during the Bronze Age came from what is now Afghanistan.

[@Paul_Atreides]

A little too close to home now lol

[@thomaslong8401]

Are we in a middle of a collapse?

[@stan1050]

The 4th Industrial Revolution.

[@michaels4255]

We are at the beginning of a collapse. If there are any historians left a hundred years from now, they will be writing books that try to answer the question "what went wrong?"

[@scottdunn6308]

Were they not in a Solar Minimum?

[@michaels4255]

They were in a period of a cooling climate. Google (images) the GISP2 ice core from Greenland. Major cooling episodes (at least in Greenland) coincide with the collapse of the Bronze Age, the collapse of Late Antique Roman civilization, and the near-collapse of Late Medieval civilization, although we managed pull our irons out of the fire in time that on that last one because we invented the printing press, invented cannons that destroyed feudal fortresses and let emerging modern states centralize power, invented new ship designs that made deep ocean shipping possible on a large scale, and discovered America with its vast new resources and territory, and especially the potato that allowed European populations to expand in spite of the cooler climate and more erratic growing seasons. Nowadays, the rate of innovation is declining sharply in spite of costly investments in the innovation process, and our population levels depend on maintaining near ideal conditions. We have farther to fall than any previous civilization, and we are positioned to fall much faster.

[@Graeme_Lastname]

An ad?

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

Graeme Lastname huh?

[@Graeme_Lastname]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 I've been trapped by ads before. First time here, just looks like an ad. :)

[@dorasmith7875]

Why the apocalypse needs four horsemen?

[@faithlesshound5621]

It's a symbolic way for us to say that you need more than one thing to fail before everything collapses. But that may not be what St John meant.

[@patrickpentz379]

Climate change might result in the lands with billions of people becoming uninhabitable. One paper listed the lands still viable, and a target for these billions. But those lucky lands will resist, leading to wars.

[@michaels4255]

Exaggerated hoakum promoted by political activists in and out of government. A temp rise of 2 or 3 degrees C, returning us to the climate conditions of the Holocene Thermal Maximum, is one of the best things that could happen to the human race. Not that there is any evidence that is happening (100% climate science consensus that there has been no net global warming for 20 years in spite of higher CO2), but if it were happening, that fantasy outcome would be great.

[@jdheryos4910]

1'914 to 1'921 World War One followed by the worst recession in the 20th century plus the flu pandemic that killed 40 to 80 million world wide. Yet civilization did not collapse. Yes we must learn and take head of the warnings of the past. Be prepared like Taiwan is now with the pandemic. Sailing through while other nations take on water and struggle. However we are still in an Ice Age and mammals evolved in the Treasic during a Global Warming event with 5 times the levels of carbon in the air as today. Mammals are highly adaptable. Short of a nuclear war...

[@deborahdean8867]

Co2 doesnt drive climate change, and the more co2, the more O2, IF you have plants. Its solar activity and the effect on the electromagnetic shield. This also causes earthquake activity, which causes volcanic activity. Check out the year with no sun.

[@bakters]

The reason for the collapse was the change in climate, not "a combination" of various unrelated events. mclean.ch/climate/figures_2/GISP_to_11Kybp.gif This graph shows *very clearly* that the temperatures on Greenland have dropped *sharply* just at this time. There is no reason to even consider other main causes. It's done deal. Explained. Let's move on. I'm seriously puzzled how come people are not aware of this. Probably because it contradicts the main narrative surrounding anthropogenic global warming, or something like that. Still, the data is out there, and we should at least know about it. Besides, I'm always skeptical when people come up with "a combination" theory. If the main cause has far reaching consequences, we have a case of causation. In order for "a combination" to be at least plausible, the unrelated events should happen quite often, so they have a chance for several of them happening at once. Two events happening together? Possible. More than that? Forget about it. So it's one event, until proven otherwise.

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

The upside is it’s been proven to be a combination :)

[@bakters]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Proven? That's interesting. Which exact unrelated factors have been proven to happen at the same time?

[@michaels4255]

Not that simple. The Little Ice Age (circa 1300 to 1850) was even worse climate-wise, but after flirting with disaster in the 14th century (Mongol invasions, Black Death, famines, peasant revolts, Turks), we had several major breakthroughs in technology and exploration and managed to muddle through. But if it were to happen today, I don't think we would be so lucky. The low hanging fruit has already been picked and we have very little wiggle room for rolling with the punches. Timing matters.

[@michaels4255]

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Upside? Sometimes, but combinations can cut both ways.

[@bakters]

@@michaels4255 "The Little Ice Age (circa 1300 to 1850) was even worse climate-wise," The drop in temperatures was smaller and spread out over a longer period of time. Bronze Age collapse was worse. (And possibly even worse still, because the drop could have been even faster, but the resolution is limited, so we can't see it.) " But if it were to happen today, I don't think we would be so lucky." We are much less dependent on crop yields nowadays. What can and possibly eventually will kill our civilization, is energy starvation. If we have enough energy, we can grow food even on Antarctica. Regarding breakthroughs, it's quite possible that even cheaper and more convenient energy sources are available. Nobody wants to move to large scale nuclear energy use, because fossil fuels are still cheaper and safer. It doesn't mean it can't be done, though. If we have to go there, we will.

[@akazinsomniac3007]

Better get God this one's the Big One... I am Yahawah, and there is no other Savior but Me. Fear Yahawah your God, worship Him, and take your oaths in His name. Whoever dwells in the shelter of the Most High YAHAWAH will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the YAHAWAH, “He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” The words dwell, rest, refuge, and fortress are words that mean we are to abide in YAHAWAH.

[@moldenhaver]

once you mention climate change today as an existential treat or this covid joke you lose my respect

[@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449]

I don't see how that amounts to much, unless you are an equal in his field that really doesn't mean anything.

[@faithlesshound5621]

The law of the internet: my ignorance is equal to your knowledge.

[@herbthompson8937]

The number one book about 2020 will be "How the left tried to destroy the greatest nation in history"