Simple fix to get rid of most of the switching noise. It's a possible scenario that the power supply was originally designed to use different mosfets with much higher gate capacitance, but then the manufacturer bought a cheap truck load of the Fairchild mosfets and used those instead.
@forrestgumpv90493 жыл бұрын
What is a good name brand mosfet and better gate capacitance, so it may be better to swap it instead of modding. I just ordered a 'qw-ms3010d 'dc power supply and i want to start learning electronics for my flashlight hobby.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
@@forrestgumpv9049 It's not so much about the brand name, but there are a lot of mosfets out there and it's a jungle, so trying to find one that would work is quite a task. Anyway make sure the voltage and current rating is high enough and then look at the Qg parameter usually in nano Coulomb and some datasheets will show Ciss as the input capacitance in pico Farad. Cheers, Jake
@marcovalentini18453 жыл бұрын
Thanks I finished the mods and ripple reduced to few mv
@konohh4 жыл бұрын
Completely different Power Supply, same problem, same solution. Thanks for pushing me into the right direction. I realy like the way of how you put your videos together. No mocking about, no endless talking about the same thing hundrets of times over... Straight to the point, boom, live with it. Like it.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@treadmillrepair7542 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Excellent, background noise is a big problem in my bench power supplies. Next week I try to mod one at least. Best Regards.
@OregonDARRYL3 жыл бұрын
You went a Longwei to making the power supply almost perfect!
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
lol... very good, thanks.
@NeverTalkToCops1 Жыл бұрын
The probe "antenna" along with your surmising the problem was overdriven mosfets and your solution represent an unusually high skill level. Most excellent! Thank you.
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@frickenfixit7234 жыл бұрын
I love when you busted out that book of resistors. That was boss!
@Robert-hr6sh3 жыл бұрын
Available at Amazon 👍
@jammin023 Жыл бұрын
I've never seen that trick with the loop on the probe before. I'm chasing down some HF noise in a completely different context and that will be really useful, thanks!
@jerryokeefe6116 ай бұрын
With very little load on the power it was jamming my icom 7300 ham transceiver and putting large pulses on some TTL logic signals I was testing. Your corrections fixed the problem. Thank you!!!
@mscir Жыл бұрын
Great work, the videos don't get any better than this. You are a very good teacher. I will do this mod to my pwr supply. Thank you. I couldn't read the part number of the cap, you might consider posting a parts list in future. Thanks again.
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
Thanks, they are 100V rated film caps, you can get a pack of them for $1 on ebay, aliexpress, amazon etc. Cheers, Jake
@markdoswell82623 жыл бұрын
Thanks, it is a real pleasure to see such intelligent step by step analysis and solution development. I also liked your EMI detection tip. Yes, my degree is from 1972 so I too must learn SMD soldering skills, hope my eyes will be up to the task!
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, much appreciated. When I switched to SMD I thought it would be much more difficult, but actually I generally find it easier and quicker to solder SMD components today compared to through hole. Cheer, Jake
@markdoswell82623 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Thanks Jake, You motivated me to order some SMD resistors 😊 Best wishes Mark
@KlodFather2 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade - On your pickup coil for the scope... I use one of those old suction cup coils used to record phone calls from the receiver or handset of a telephone. Those are 500 or so ohms and are very sensitive with good output to find BS in circuits. Also they have great bandwidth for audio signals. I have used them to detect whether coils are doing their job correctly. One of the more interesting uses was for vector monitor yokes. There is a substantial difference in the fields between a good one and a bad one. Some electronics makes really crazy noises if you have a listen with that coil also.
@pjpmarques4 жыл бұрын
Just implemented this modification. It works absolutely great. I was really getting annoyed with all the noise of the PS but this solved it. Thanks!
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Hi Paulo, that's great feedback, good to hear it worked for your PSU as well. Thanks - Jake
@sulaimanabdullah9524 жыл бұрын
I was considering buying an LW-K3010R then I saw your earlier video showing how noisy the output is so I changed my mind. This video made me change my mind again and I've just ordered one! Thanks for both videos. I've subscribed, liked, and I'll be watching your other videos after this as I like your style and content. Good luck with this channel.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'm happy to hear my review and update fix was useful. It's of course not the worlds best power supply but I do think it's good value for money, especially with the noise fix implemented.
@raindropsrising7662 Жыл бұрын
This is so educational and wonderful use of the scope to track down the issues. Thanks
@RetroClaire3 жыл бұрын
Really helpful videos, thank you for these. I was casting around for a cheap 10A power supply and this convinced me to go for this one.
@mateuszzbikowski46263 жыл бұрын
Done. 400mV noise before, 10mV after the mod. Great.
@prototype79702 жыл бұрын
I love the quick and dirt EMC probe. Love it ! Great video !
@grantm9022 жыл бұрын
Cheers! Bought this and did the mod straight outta the box (albeit with 0805 resistors!) LPF with a corner frequency of 102.6KHz.
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Nice, always good to hear another Longwei has been denoised. I can report that mine still works just fine. Cheers, Jake
@EngineeringVignettes4 жыл бұрын
That's a good tip (ha) on using the ground wire of the scope probe to generate a pickup for pinpointing noise. I always used a few loops of wire but did not think of using the probe wire itself. Nice job rooting out the noise source. Adding the RC filtering helped significantly making the supply a bit higher in output quality. Cheers,
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yeah it turned out better than I'd hoped for.
@jp0407592 жыл бұрын
Nice tip on how to use scope probe to pinpoint noise source. Video was way worth viewing just for that. THANX...
@robertgoodwin93494 жыл бұрын
Very good investigation of the problem, and explanation of your fix. I have one on order from BG, so will see if I need to do it when it arrives.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert, the power supply will work fine without the fix, but if you need it to be less noisy it's an easy option.
@jerrys94264 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for sharing this mod, have just done this to my unit and its made a massive improvement too!
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, happy to hear you had success with the mod.
@zerodegrekelvin23 жыл бұрын
Nice mod! And also clever home made probe to scan for EMI 8-)
@kevinfortier84524 жыл бұрын
Great video and something that LongWei should think about doing to improve their product. I can't imagine it would affect the cost all that much and it would bring the rating of their product up over others within the same budget market. Wish I could tag them in this comment... :)
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I believe the engineers who designed the power supply probably had designed it correctly, then the manufacturer changed some of the parts to save a few cents. But yeah, I wish they would implement the tiny mod to get rid of the awful noise. But they've probably already made 1000s of these stocked in warehouses so it's unlikely they'd consider making any changes.
@Doeff83 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. As a MSc Electrical Engineering from 1998 I got to 'update' my SMD soldering, but this is gonna work. For reference for others: the components and their respective values you ended up with are at 14:47
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, much appreciated, happy you found the video useful.
@anurasenarathna17033 жыл бұрын
Wow. Great. It shows the in depth knowledge on how SMPS. Thank you.
@Harlequin432 жыл бұрын
Thank you, good sir! I'd never have found the source of the issue on my own. Now I can get down to fixing it.
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I can report the mod still works great, no issues.
@RajithaSeneviratne3 жыл бұрын
I ordered the exact same device. Will try this mod when it arrives. Thank you for the wonderful vide.
@2000stephenellis4 жыл бұрын
Great Video ... just got hold of the same power supply ... may attempt this fix one day myself ... thanks again ...
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@simontay4851 Жыл бұрын
Ive recently bought an RS310p 30V 10A PSU. Ive bookmarked this video and will do the same mod to the MOSFETS in mine. I'll also add an inductor between the board and output terminals.
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
I can't guarantee it will work on other power supplies, but good luck. Cheers, Jake
@yoramstein4 жыл бұрын
Thanks , fantastic video for people who do not have the practical experience and are not familiar with SMPS ! I have learned the trick of "coiling" the scope's ground wire (making it an Antenna). The manufaturer of this SMPS should take a look at this video :-)
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, always happy to hear you enjoyed the video. Agree, I wish the manufacturer would put a little more effort into their product, it was probably designed to perform better but then they changed some components to save a few cents. Cheers, Jake
@FantaBH2 жыл бұрын
Very well done, for switching power supply I think it is the best solution.
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I can report it still works well, no issues with this mod.
@PurityVendetta3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing your opinion of this power supply and especially the noise reducing mods. My PSU arrived today so I'll order the parts as I know I don't have the resistors and I'll have a look through my caps. Great channel, so subbed, thanks.
@shadetreetrader1135 Жыл бұрын
This was very helpful. Thanks for the great video.
@hoverbeaver Жыл бұрын
It worked! Fantastic!
@Bluesfree3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for knowledge about switching power supply, you are great teacher.
@ervinbr76613 жыл бұрын
A big thanks for the excellent video. I've risked a Topshak (BG's own rebrand) LW-3010EC and hoped that the core is the same (from the LW- type) and yes it is so I did the same mod (actually with 2 of them after seeing the result of the first one and how reasonable the price was) with very similar results (although used 27 Ohm 0805 as that was in my drawer and didn't want to push it too hard as for really low noise I have linear PSU). RMS went down from 12.7 to 3.7mV and Pk-Pk from 281.1 to 83mV in a noisy environment (checked with DSO, tried to avoid noise leaking in as much as possible). One issue though: I guess it's not just about more heat but also reaction time for quick load change that has increased as well. None of my concern, just perhaps something that's also good to be aware of.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, good to hear you got rid of the noise. These switch mode power supplies are very slow reacting to changes in load. See this video I did before the mod: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJW3XquNeJmbas0 The mod itself will not have any effect on the power supply's reaction time, it just takes the edge of the MOSFET switching. Cheers, Jake
@ervinbr76613 жыл бұрын
OK, it's even better then (and I was wrong about reaction time but I didn't look into it much as I have linear PSUs as well that I use for more critical tasks; it's also somewhat similar to what you also have but in a cheaper/simpler edition). Thanks again for the video, it has helped me a lot to make this fix quick and easy and also for the other videos that explore PSUs in a way that I rarely see but found very useful.
@nukiduki24 жыл бұрын
absolutely wild!
@al-mukhantich8 ай бұрын
Lovely!! I wonder if we can replicate this process on other brands of cheap bench power supplies
@TheStuffMade8 ай бұрын
If you experience the same kind of noise on another switching power supply, then there is a good chance it will work, but of course I can't guarantee anything. Cheers, Jake
@johnmcgiv12 жыл бұрын
Very impressed with this video presentation thank you very much.
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@alesizzz18 ай бұрын
Well done!
@ferminsalazar974210 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for the explanations, impressed by your knowledge. I know that I am a bit abusive in putting it into this topic, since the topic that I am going to indicate to you differs from the one presented. I describe a problem I have with a system based on an ESP32 microcontroller. After many programming tests that I carried out in the house where I live, I got a stable system without resets that works well, but when I moved it to its destination to my country house to control irrigation, boiler, hot water, heating, mains water pressure, temperature... etc. , I discover that the system resets randomly many times a day. The only explanation I can find is that the mains current reaches my house with an unusual noise. I have tried different power supplies for the ESP32 that works at 3.3V and the differences are minimal, and it is independent if I keep the ESP32 disconnected from all the sensors and relays, the problem is always the same. Could you tell me what I could do to eliminate the noise that surely makes my system not work continuously, thank you very much for your help and patience.
@TheStuffMade10 ай бұрын
Hello, I don't think I'll be able to help you in the youtube comments, but I recommend you try post on the eevblog forum, they're very helpful and it's likely someone will solve your problem. Cheers, Jake
@AntonioGonzalez-oj1zy10 ай бұрын
Thanks I will ask there.
@jerrydaugherty37814 жыл бұрын
Thank you for you effort. Saved me a lot of time, my thanks
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, always good to hear it was helpful.
@SomeRandomPerson1632 жыл бұрын
Wow amazing video. I hope I can apply same approach for my meanwell LRS-350
@ats891174 жыл бұрын
Great video and very nice technique in breaking the tracks to add the resistors. It might have been interesting to see the same test with ferrite beads rather than resistors.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I don't think a ferrite bead would have much effect as the gate pulses are already going through a transformer from secondary to primary side.
@userPrehistoricman4 жыл бұрын
Aren't the gate drive pulses amplified after the transformer?
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
@@userPrehistoricman There is no amplification, however it looks like they are doing some clamping, probably to keep it below the max allowed Vgs
@garyhogg62092 жыл бұрын
Very helpful thanks.
@techrah11 ай бұрын
I just opened my LongWei PS-3010DF to compare it with the K3010D in this video and it's almost identical. When putting everything back together, I was testing the ground connections (front ground banana socket and back AC line connector socket) to verify continuity and noticed that the metal chassis is not grounded. A bit concerning, considering that the incoming live wire is only soldered to the underside of the PCB (the PCB lays flat in this model, not vertical) and close to the chassis bottom.
@TheStuffMade11 ай бұрын
It's a good thing to check 👍a shame they don't pay more attention to basic safety. I'd prefer the ground fault relay doing it's thing instead of getting shocked.
@RingZero2 жыл бұрын
Very useful video. I will attempt this on the Kungber 30v/10A supply. Am sure they would be somewhat identical.
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I hope it works out, I have had reports that this mod also worked on other power supplies, but I can of course not guarantee anything. Cheers, Jake
@1marcelfilms Жыл бұрын
Nice to know before i buy one of these things what to do
@vladimirsvirid7705 Жыл бұрын
best modification for 5 yaer of you tube EE univer's ty man
@IanScottJohnston4 жыл бұрын
Nice mod.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@bascomnextion56393 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the mods. Did you notice that the power switch only turns the power off to the bridge rectifier but not associated mains input filtering circuit , also the metal case is not earthed.
@SuperDTMF4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, if you own this power supply it's definitely worth your time to make this little modification, cheers.
@Hobby_Electric Жыл бұрын
i have a wanptek supply and the noise is insane ! I measured a ripple of over 4v @ 24v output no load. A outputfilter could also help
@sureshlingabathina3 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@guanglier3 жыл бұрын
Hi nice video ! but for me it looks risky to tune it without analyzing the pulses on the gates, to see the deadtime and also to evaluate the increase of heat of these transistors ! i'm curious to see the curves of gate signals and how much this rc filter is slowing down it. how about a correct current loop for the transformer, transistor and capacitor with also a shield ?
@frikkied2638 Жыл бұрын
If it works it works and he did look at the mosfet temperatures…?
@tux19684 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks! They should just incorporate your fix into the power supply.... one can hope.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yeah it would be great if they'd pay more attention to noise.
@mickblackmore2903 жыл бұрын
hello there, Thank you very much. I have 2 of that same PS only one does this the other one is very quiet. BG (big prase here) is sending a replacement, it was so noisy I could not test anything with my scope because of the noise this PS putout the trigger would just not lock. if the replacement does the same thing I will do this. Greate fix.
@stephanc71924 жыл бұрын
Very good video
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@paolotestarelli27687 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the great video! I got a new Longwei PDS-3010G. I think it's probably quite similar to the LW-K3010D and I'd like to improve the noise/ripple. One difference I see is that the MOSFETs B22 FQPF 10N60C look more like "fakechild". There is no Fairchild logo on them. That should work anyway, right? I'm not very experienced. Thanks a lot!
@electrifyingvids3545 Жыл бұрын
So looking at the new version of this powersupply, looks like longwei fixed the noise issue using a very similar method. I was going to do the mod but saw that there was a 10 ohm resistor on the gate of the MOSFETs. No extra capacitors though.
@TheCasualDrinker7 ай бұрын
ive just oprdered a new one from amazon, Has your noise problem been solved from factory ?
@electrifyingvids35457 ай бұрын
@@TheCasualDrinker Noise is still present in the supply, and it may not be suited to work with noise sensitive devices, however, it is not too bad. The noise is definitely better than the old versions though.
@TheCasualDrinker7 ай бұрын
@electrifyingvids3545 i'm a bit of a HAM man so noise isn't the greatest thing to have. however I wonder if adding capacitors and the resistors aswell might help even more ?
@gino32863 жыл бұрын
Hi ! thank you so much for this excellent video I subscribed immediately and i will watch all other video on power supplies, my main interest these days. I am a beginner trying to learn something. I have some questions. 1) in order to understand better the cheracteristics of noise would not be better to check with a spectrum analyzer ? to see the noise vs. frequency ? 2) as i am looking for very low noise voltage sources for some audio preamps i am putting together ... which would it be your first choice for a very low noise voltage source ? linear or switching ? and in case of a linear PSU do you think that IC regulators like the common LM317 can get down ripple to some mV or a more complex design is needed ? In my testing i have been amazed by the difference i can listen from a same preamp using different power supplies. Incredible. With higher noise PSU the sound is confused muffled ... with lower noise one is crystal clear and very nice. I am using a LM317 regulator at the moment bought on ebay. But i am very willing to try something else even less noisy. Thank you very much again. Kind regards, gino
@Fred-mo4ey4 жыл бұрын
what about the improvement of the snobbers instead of slowing down the gate, we could perhaps avoid the loss of thermal efficiency (noob's question), good video thx
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, well there is no snubber filter, so that's that. From what I see there is only some clamping to prevent exceeding the max Vgs. Anyway, not a bad question, if you own one of these, feel free to experiment, just don't electrocute yourself. :)..
@airmailman19712 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Looks like you used a mica capacitor. What voltage do you think would be appropriate for a 30 volt power supply like this?
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, these a poly film capacitors, you can find them online at a few $ for a pack. I believe they're rated for up to 100V. Cheers, Jake
@hosseiny19734 ай бұрын
Yes it will limit the noises because of decreasing dv/dt That means the mosfets switch slower(fall time and rise time increased) So the mosfets will be get hot and ...dead
@hosseiny19734 ай бұрын
By adding RC snubber and changing the output caps with better (like solid caps) the noises will limit
@johnid20204 жыл бұрын
Top draw modification. Great presentation. I was looking to get the LongWei 3010E with the extra pre-set and lock button functionality. Looks great until I read the Ripple and Noise specs; CV≤30mV (effective value) ; CC≤20mA (effective value) - I guess 30mV rms ! and 20mA rms ! Really ? Hoping the circuit is similar to your modified LW-K3010D, as apart from the dreadful noise issue the rest of it looks good value. Do you have any familiarity with the higher spec 3010E please? Keep up the good work.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I don't have any experience with the LongWei 3010E, it looks nice and as you say it's got all the features missing from the 3010D. It's hard to say if the switching circuitry will be similar, the LongWei name might just be a sales branding and the power supplies could've been designed and manufactured by different companies. Since the cost is around the same as the Korad ka3005d, you should have a look at that power supply, it's only 5A max, but it's a low noise linear design, I've had a Korad for quite a few years and I'm very happy with it's performance. Cheers, Jake
@johnid20204 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Jake. Thanks for your considered response. I took a look at your other comparative test video ' Homemade vs Korad vs Lonwei' and I take your point that the Korad is a cleaner and safer bet than the LongWei.The LongWei seems to have a nasty sting on some of the tests. I am developing Arduino based circuitry, so I appreciate you steering me towards the Korad. The 30/10 version is expensive, but maybe the 30/05 Korad would be fine for most applications - hopefully even the heavy load 12V Peltier systems. Many thanks. John
@1002videolopdaihoc3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for everything. I live in Viet Nam, longwei power supply is the best deal for me now. How does the bench power supply work in this year after noise mod?
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Hi, it's still working fine, besides the noise issue, that was fixed, I haven't experienced any issues with the power supply. Cheers, Jake
@joehubler49654 жыл бұрын
nice job!
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@rawandjaza59297 ай бұрын
My power supply is : Jesverty sps-3010n, 30V 10A , with no load make a noise but when put load there’s is not noise how to fix it ?
@malgailany4 жыл бұрын
I have the same exact scope as yours. I wonder if there is a firmware update available for it? Nice video, I liked the probe loop technique to detect noise. Thanks.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I updated the firmware on mine years ago, it greatly increased the update speed. They might still have updates available for download on their website.
@malgailany4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade I looked but couldn't find any. I will be thankful if you share a link or the firmware itself. Thanks.
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
@@malgailany It was quite a few years ago, sorry I don't have a link.
@malgailany4 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade I just found one and updated it to firmware v3.8. Link: files.owon.com.cn/software/upgrade/sds_upgrade_3.2_3.3_3.4.rar Thanks a lot.
@mscir Жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Any chance you'll show us how to check the firmware version and update it? I can't find it so far, and the link below isn't working.
@dumitru50612 жыл бұрын
Bravo!
@marcovalentini18453 жыл бұрын
Hi sir, I need your help, In doing the mods I did a mistake in the bottom mosfet for an error indeed of a 22 ohm resistor I put a 22k. During the test at 12V everything seems working but when I push the voltage to 30V I got short and the house protection cut down, after verifying my fault I dismounted the Mosfet and verified that its pins are alla shorted out, I fear can be more component to check, the 22k resistor on the source is ok what else should I have to check other than the mosfet that is broken for sure? Thanks
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Hi, first check the fuse in the power supply, I'm surprised if that didn't blow before your mains fuse kicked in. Besides that a lot of things could go wrong if one of the mosfets shorted out, check the transformers for continuity. I'd expect you'd be able to smell or see some damaged components inside. It will probably not be worth trying to repair it if any of the transformers are faulty. Cheers, Jake
@marcovalentini18453 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Ho thanks for your answer, it's the first thing I've checked out the fuse it'ok, I cannot did more testing since as soon as I power it on the home protection (magnetotermic) kick in but fuse will not blow out this is really strange. I ordered a batch of Mosfet to test out. Something in your mind that should I order for a component swapping activity?
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
@@marcovalentini1845 It's probably a ground fault causing your mains relay to switch off, something is likely shorted to mains ground somewhere. I doubt it's worth the effort to try repair it especially not if you don't have experience n repairing switch mode power supplies, but I'd check all the transformers for shorts and continuity first. Then usually a visual inspection and a smell test of all the components will give you some idea what might have failed. Cheers, Jake
@marcovalentini18453 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade many thanks, just worth trying for learning thanks
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
@@marcovalentini1845 Understand and it's a good way to learn by repairing things. Just be careful and don't connect it to the mains until you are confident it's been repaired. The safe way to diagnose and repair a switch mode power supply is to inject low voltage from another power supply to power up the circuit. That way you can power up the secondary low voltage circuity while limiting the current so no additional damage it done and start doing measurements to find faults. But you'll need tools like a scope to see if you can get the switching going. Cheers, Jake
@J_i_m_4 жыл бұрын
Why adding an extra capacitor instead of increasing the gate resistor? It's R x C that counts (where C = Cgate + Cextra), so you could just increase R and leave the extra capacitor, no?
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bigjim, it isn't quite the same when you look at the impedance of the circuit. Cheers, Jake
@lelesecchi61404 жыл бұрын
Just have bought one of them, thank you it will be very useful for me in the future! Do you think this could be a problem for working with audio frequency signals? At which frequency does the noise really become a problem?
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
The noise is mostly a problem when you look at small signals on a scope as they will drown out in the switching noise. For audio work I would recommend using a linear power supply except perhaps if you work on projects like class D amplifiers.
@lelesecchi61404 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade unfortunately linear supply are big and less cheaper than SMPS.. maybe in the future I would build one by myself, as it also seems not very difficult, thank you very much!
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
@@lelesecchi6140 Sure I understand, you can still use the Longwei just fine. I recently did a video on building a small and simple dual rail linear power supply ideal for low power audio projects if you are interested.
@yhan_saintsantiago5543 жыл бұрын
Good Day sir, i have same model but the issue is when i increase the output it doesn't increase more than 8.9 volts. Do you have any idea on what could possibly the fault? I already reaplaced the multi turn pot. But the problem stays.
@sophocha3 жыл бұрын
I have the same model. It just died on me. Zero amp on the display and it doesn't charge anything. I've opened it up and I don't see any components that are blown. Do you know what it might be the problem?
@slonon64103 жыл бұрын
would capacitor polarity (shielding) in this case matter? Thank you for putting these great videos out here
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, these are bipolar film capacitors, the polarity doesn't matter. As for shielding I assume you mean where to connect the side of the capacitor that's got the outside film, then in this case it doesn't matter because both sides of the capacitor are connected to low impedance. This only matters in very high impedance circuits with small signals where you're trying to keep as much noise out as possible, like tube radios etc. Cheers, Jake
@hardusvd Жыл бұрын
I just order one now. Was looking for a cheap model. Thx
@budmartin33443 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I am curious when adding the caps to the Gate, I would think if the Gate is not 'discharged fast enough then you can have MOSFET's on at the same time in this half-bridge setup unless the dead time is long enough and not causing the issue. I also do not see they put on any ferrite beads on the MOSFET's legs to reduce switching noise.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, if you look at the design you'll see the gate signals go though a transformer from the controller on the secondary side, so a ferrite bead wouldn't make any difference. Cheers, Jake
@budmartin33443 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade That is typical Gate drive transformer topology to isolate cold side from hot side of the circuit, the Ferrite is on the MOSFET legs is typical to reduce ringing and radiate switching noise so it will pass compliance test for inject and radiate noise, we had to do lots of stuff, I.E. board layout, wiring, shielding, etc. in our power supplies we design, the unit you have probably does not any compliance certificate.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
@@budmartin3344 My point was more that if a ferrite bead is primarily going to take the edge off then the transformer would've already done that. But yeah, I agree this power supply would never pass any compliance testing. It's likely it was designed to perform better but then components were replaced to keep production cost at a minimum. Cheers, Jake
@unlockaccount2122 жыл бұрын
hey brother i need your help, i have this power supply but when i turn it on and turn the current knob the green light does not come on so i can't adjust anything, i can't figure out how to get it working
@lee-on69203 жыл бұрын
Nice video, I was wondering if a 1/4w or 1/2w through hole resistor instead of a 0603 would achieve the same effect, or if they would be less effective somehow? I don't have any SMD 33Ohm resistors on hand currently. Thanks
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yes you can use 1/8 or 1/4 watt through hole resistors instead of 0603, you'll just have to scrape off a bit more of the solder mask to solder them onto the traces safely. Otherwise you can buy 0603 very cheap online something like $1 including shipping for 100 pieces. Cheers, Jake
@lee-on69203 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Thanks for the reply, I'll order some on Ebay and wait a few more days for a cleaner install.
@buatngetes32192 жыл бұрын
Good video bro. I have this power supply brought from aliexpress, but cant work, because protect led always on. :(
@techrah11 ай бұрын
I have 22R and 47R 0805 250mW resistors but no 33R. Based on your previous testing, do you think it would be better to go with the 22 or the 47? Sorry, I know this was 3 years ago already and you may not recall all the details!
@TheStuffMade11 ай бұрын
Hello, the 22R will probably work, but I'd recommend spend $1 to get the correct value. Cheers, Jake
@techrah11 ай бұрын
@@TheStuffMade Ok, thanks for the advice. Will get the 33R 😁
@kaybhee62 жыл бұрын
keen
@diegochiarenza14564 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, very informative, I would like to ask a question, do not understand the capacity of the capacitors used? thank you.
@em0_tion4 жыл бұрын
47nF 100V polyester film capacitors
@mscir Жыл бұрын
@@em0_tion Thanks, I was looking for just that.
@DonatoGreco5 ай бұрын
does this mod work the same at high power? I also noticed in your old review video on this bench PS that it ha difficulty in regulating in the 20V range. did this mod solve that problem too?
@TheStuffMade5 ай бұрын
Yes, and watch the full video.
@jasonbrown4672 жыл бұрын
what is the reason for removing the noise? i am thinking of powering a radio transceiver that requires "12v", i have not done this yet, but would this noise come through the radio some how?
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
Hi, the switching noise if high frequency and have a broad bandwidth, it will radiate out into everything. If you try to measure something on a scope it gets very annoying because you don't know if the noise is from the device you're working on or it's from the power supply and it will make it impossible to make any kind of sensitive measurements. It will also create radio interference, as in all kinds of radio equipment will be affected, even if they're not powered from the supply, it's enough the supply is just switched on. Generally switching noise is very undesirable, especially in any kind of electronics lab environment. Cheers, Jake
@sakiszth529611 ай бұрын
Hello!! About 1,5 years ago, I bought through Banggood this product LW-K3010D. Since last week, I started having a problem each time I try to raise the voltage from 0-30V on the POTENTIOMETER. It does not exceed 9.2V on the screen, but also at the output of the connectors. Since it does not work properly, I cannot use if for my job. Can you please advise me on how I could fix it? Waiting for your prompt reply. Thank you!
@TheStuffMade11 ай бұрын
Hi Sakis, this is not something that can be repaired in a few comments. Your best bet is to take it to a local shop and see if they can repair it. Cheers, Jake
@sakiszth529611 ай бұрын
Thanks Jake for your reply!! Unfortunately here in my city there are not many workshops that can help me! I have also sent the Company (LONGWEI) 2 emails but.....they haven't sent me anything!! I don't know what else I can do. Too bad it can't be repaired!!
@TheStuffMade11 ай бұрын
@@sakiszth5296 Hi Sakis, yeah, it's a shame. A repair shop would probably need to charge as much as the cost of a new one, it can easily take a few hours to diagnose order parts, replace parts, then test to make sure it works again. So unless you can do it yourself or know a friend, then it's probably cheapest just to buy a new one. Cheers, Jake
@TotoGuy-Original3 жыл бұрын
i have a minleaf 30v 10a power supply i havent got a scope to check it though well i have but its one of those mini DSO138 i dont think its capable of these tests but i could be wrong.
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
These little scopes are good up to 100-200kHz. They are useful for audio etc. but for these noise measurements, as it's very high frequency switching noise, you need a scope capable of 100-200Mhz, so about 1000x faster to get good measurements. Cheers, Jake
@AB-sg1vd4 жыл бұрын
R-SPS3010 or longwei(K3010D) . what is the best ?
@mikes62162 жыл бұрын
30 ohm resistors and 47nF caps. 2 of each. I bought a larger power supply (link in reply below), 120VDC and 3amp, 360W. The 47nF caps shown are only rated for 100V, is this mod going to work for me I think I need higher voltage caps? Can I directly replace the ones in the video with 630V Polypropylene Safety Plastic Film 630V 47nF?
@NRP1232 жыл бұрын
I don't think the said voltage between gate and source exceeding 100v.
@andyspoo24 жыл бұрын
Brilliant work. My PSU died when I was using it to drive an arcing spark generator (don't ask), but I found the circuit diagram for the same PSU but with a less max ampage. So the area that you worked on failed. One of the large MOSFET's went short, 2 of the surface mount transistors that you pointed to went short, and so did ones of the schotky diodes next to those surface mount transistors - I've replaced all those . The PSU currently pulses the display showing 000 when switched on. Now I'm wondering if the switching controller you pointed to has died? I think this is the circuit diagram I had (thought you might find it interesting or useful) = www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/permanent-cc-and-no-output-(longwei-k3010d)/
@diegochiarenza14564 жыл бұрын
the same thing to me with the short, but I also changed the U5 TNY820 AND THE PC817B PHOTO COUPLER, IT HAS RESUMED WORKING, PULSA X WHICH IS PROTECTED THROUGH U4 SG3525.
@diegochiarenza14564 жыл бұрын
andy parry oops I got confused, the component I replaced was U4 Sg3525 and that's it.
@andyspoo23 жыл бұрын
@@diegochiarenza1456 I tried that and it didn't help much. I suspect one of the amp has gone.
@diegochiarenza14563 жыл бұрын
@@andyspoo2 mi dispiace.....
@Bazzawombat2 жыл бұрын
Can you please send a link to the circuit you found? Thanks
@marekslemensky45313 жыл бұрын
Hi, I just bought this power supply and did the noise mod to it. I have a few issues that I would love to have answers/fixes to. 1. When I touched the transistor heatsinks, I felt the 230VAC go into my finger. It was probably not the full 230VAC, but I definitely felt it. Is that normal? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it is. 2. A high pitched whining noise is coming out of my unit. When you'd look at the supply on 6:20 that's the approximate location the noise is coming from. Is it the big transformer? The coil right above it? Caps? please advise. Love your vid
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Hi Marek, the reason I added a warning in the beginning of the video and in the description was to avoid situations like this. You should be aware never to stick your fingers in live switch mode power supply and that the tab on a TO220 device is always connected to the center pin, that would be the mosfet drain in this case, meaning there will be 320Vdc on the heatsinks, that is very dangerous. Take a clear picture of your modification and post it on imgur and leave the last part of the link here, then I'll have a quick look. It sounds like something isn't right. Cheers, Jake
@marekslemensky45313 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade I do understand that I should never put my fingers anywhere near a live circuit, especially one that's being powered from mains. I'd say it was just a stronger tingle and I still was able to pull away. Gotta learn somehow lol. Thank you for the explanation. About the pics, yea I should be able to take them and upload later today if I won't forget as I usually do :).
@lambo254 жыл бұрын
good vid. I'm new to this.. Why not just leave it as i, why do you try to reduce noise what is the benefit?? Thanks
@sekboi4 жыл бұрын
Noise is bad for sensitive circuits, coms, medical, etc. Switching power supplies are inherently noisy. Some are really noisy. Linear PSU's are much cleaner. Generally, less noise is better.
@mickblackmore2903 жыл бұрын
@@sekboi I have that same PS. BG is sending a replacement, it was so noisy I could not test anything with my scope because of the noise this PS putout the trigger would just not lock.
@konstantinosk1198 Жыл бұрын
Hi sir, i have the same power supply and the problem is that cannot keep Amps stable, up - down. Could you tell me sir where to look or what to replace?
@TheStuffMade Жыл бұрын
Hello, the output current depends on the current limit and what load you have on the power supply. To set the current limit you need to set the voltage to something e.g. 5V then short the output and you can adjust the current to what limit you need. Hope that helps, Cheers, Jake
@konstantinosk1198 Жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade i understand what you said sir it's my mistake, i didn't said it right. What i m just saying is, after set the voltage that i need, and adjust the current as you said on the display, initially is e.g. 2 Amps after a second it is 2,5 Amps then 3, 2, 2,5. it is increasing and decreasing by it self with stable voltage. What could i do?
@Bazzawombat2 жыл бұрын
I cannot find a schematic for this power supply. I need to help a friend of mine with the current adjust pot, I wish to order a multi turn pot to replace the 3/4 turn current pot, it is too "touchy" Can someone advise the pot value, I do not have the power supply on hand, thanks
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
From what I remember it's a 10k pot. Cheers, Jake
@MaDrone3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the worst feature of this PS is the current spike when used as constant current supply at low levels. The behaviour reminds that of a line output with a relevant capacitor in parallel. Did you check if your mod do not worsen the already bad spike?
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
I have another video testing the speed and performance of this power supply: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iJW3XquNeJmbas0 It's typical for switch mode power supplies to react slowly to changes because of the way they work, most linear power supplies have superior performance in that regard, but switch mode supplies are strong when it comes to high power and lower cost. The noise fix will not improve the speed of the power supply.
@zarinskis11 ай бұрын
What if you put just the capacitors without the resistor on the gate
@TheStuffMade11 ай бұрын
Hello David, you need the resistors, I didn't just add them for fun. If you don't add the resistors and only the caps you'll put way too much load on the driving circuitry and it'll likely let some magic smoke out. Cheers, Jake
@MrNessuno19943 жыл бұрын
is the switching noise as dangeorous as ripple for electronics? Thank you :)
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
Neither are particular dangerous to electronics as long as they are within reason, but you always want a bench power supply to be a low noise as possible otherwise it can affect the behavior of your circuit and make it very difficult to do any reliable measurements. Cheers, Jake
@Robert-hr6sh3 жыл бұрын
Not using for medical electronic repair or running medical equipment...as a bench supply your safe.
@user-vl5hu1mt8m4 жыл бұрын
We repeated this experiment with the power supply BLAUBUCHT PS3010 (30V 10A). The result is the same, the RF ripples have completely disappeared!! Here's the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/mILbm2loi9x7nrc
@TheStuffMade4 жыл бұрын
That's great, it seems to be a common issue with many switchmode power supplies that can be easily solved with just a few cheap components.
@eulergeorgesilva38302 жыл бұрын
I have a source of this LongWei LW-K3010D it is falling unregulated voltage does not let it go over 9V then turn on the sera fan q can be the mosfet???
@TheStuffMade2 жыл бұрын
It's really hard to say without doing some measurements with a multimeter and an oscilloscope. Cheers, Jake
@martineden147 Жыл бұрын
Had the same issue. Probably a later revision board which now has a TL413 (U7) as a ref voltage. Check pin 1 as I bet it no longer maintains a constant voltage.
@gustavocorreia0773 жыл бұрын
if I replace 10N60 transistor for 20N60 transistor will have any problem to circuit? I will need change something else ?
@TheStuffMade3 жыл бұрын
It would probably still work, but why would you want to change the mosfets?
@gustavocorreia0773 жыл бұрын
@@TheStuffMade about the transistor, I ask just for curiosity, and my power supply is the same as the video, but is not changing voltage, just still at 0, I try replace PWM (SG3525A), and CI 084C, and LM2904, I replace the transistors, check de potentiometer BUT NOTHING!! I’m really upset, some idea? thanks for attention