Why Palpatine Claimed He DESPERATELY Needed the Death Star (Not Why You Think)

[@kenton3438]

The theory that it was also made because he knew the vong were coming is cool and would be a sick what if series

[@Diremouse42]

Thats what I've heard as well, and I mean dont the vong have tech that can transform an entire planet into basically ship/weapon manufacturering site in a matter of days. So something like the deathstar makes sense

[@Wolfaydragoon]

@@Diremouse42 yeah, technically it’s biological. They have a huge hatred for mechanical technology and are borderline immune to most force abilities. The Death Star was honestly not that much overkill.

[@EilertAlemat]

@@Wolfaydragoon it was best weapon against them

[@gamelover2222]

Yup, I was going to post about this. The Vong had their mobile world ships, so a planet killer weapon is an ideal counter. There's also the living Jedi world that came into play near the end that would make a spicy target as well. God I miss real Star Wars, even if the EU was a mixed bag at times, it hit more than it missed.

[@criadordecurio4659]

Not only the death star was built to be a problem for the vong, but the battledroids had a huge important place against the vong

[@AB-ez4rm]

The real enemy wasn't The Vong, the real enemy was The Disney.

[@TheGreater-ScopeVillain]

Palpatine never did anything without good reason, and his plans were almost incomprehensibly complex and great in scope. Truly the ultimate Star Wars villain.

[@Ron-d2s]

I swear I heard another idea that there were supposed to be three, one for Tarkin one for Palatine and one for Vader.

[@mannygutierrez7654]

Bro I can't believe you're still uploading daily, you're genuinely the best in the game I'm one of the people who uses KZbin more than 99.99% of users, and I couldn't keep up with you 😂

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

He's easily one of the hardest working creators on KZbin.

[@Wolfaydragoon]

And he honestly manages to research two separate timelines very well

[@DarthZora]

Same here !

[@Mintis-bh4rr]

Best star wars yt channel rn

[@vivi44]

He needed it for the Vong of which he knew were coming.

[@ChrisPierce-y1r]

well at least the emperor from legends knew we are not even sure if they are in cannon are we idk i dont pay to much attention to disney star wars

[@zacharyratley4676]

He needed it for a tax write off

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

Hahaha Hahaha

[@ReactionsWithTeefoooo]

Brahhhh😂😂😂😂

[@albertoswald8461]

The even Darker Side of the Galaxy...the IRS!!!!😱

[@what_memes_are_these9824]

Seeing the term “tax write off” gives me the shivers after what happened at WB if you know what I’m referring to.

[@connerford5918]

Could you imagine the tax breaks the Jedi got before the clone wars. Honestly I think they were taxed out the ass during the war. I mean Phantom menace started with trade routes. When the war started they got poor then they died.

[@emperortivurnis9161]

The greatest villain of all time would of course have one of the most unhinged plots to transcend even godhood

[@JadusMoltriel]

He's the Star Wars version of a truly evil Raistlin Majere, in terms of intellect, power, skill, willpower, and ambition. IFYKYK... ;-)

[@EilertAlemat]

I remember back in the day - when it was canon - Darth Sidious has foreseen arrival of Yuuzhan Vong and was readying Empire to thwart their onslaught... which I found a brilliant story move: he was neither madman nor tyrant, he was dark visionary who did things absolutely necessary to win - repercussions nonwithstanding

[@unigaming9921]

He was always a tyrant. If he hadn't known of the vong, he would have still expanded those resources on military, likely still a death star

[@EilertAlemat]

@@unigaming9921 there is difference between power-hungry for the sake of it and preparing for bigger threat - it was Revan-like twist and I find it much better writing: big goal gave Palpatine depth, without it character is too plain

[@unigaming9921]

@EilertAlemat he was power hungry for his own sake. He would have still built the death star with or without the vong. Having an excuse to attach it to doesn't change that, at all.

[@EilertAlemat]

​@@unigaming9921 it's not an excuse, it is plot device and Palpatine is not a real person - he is a character him prophesying Vong's arrival and preparing for that battle made Rebellion look like children trying to settle scores while he was building a real defense, whatever his reasons are that made him much more interesting in my opinion and plot more sophisticated - after all Vong did a real number on New Republic when they arrived... I also believe it to be the reason new canon has no such twist - to make Palpatine plain tyrant with maniac on top so everything would be simple black and white

[@unigaming9921]

@@EilertAlemat ah, the typical ditchout response.

[@The-Mstr-Pook]

In Legends he knew about the Vong because Thrawn's people the Chiss, had been keeping them at Bay by resisting small shorties into the Galaxy. But the Amarda was still out there. The vong had world ships, planets that were pilotable. This is one reason he had Thrawn destroy OUTBOUND FLIGHT. (See novel of same title) Jedi Ark exposition to travel out of the Galaxy.

[@mikeglass2460]

In the book “Outbound Flight” (EU) Is when Thrawn And Sidious first met. The Chiss knew about the Vong and so did Sidious. They both knew that a galactic invasion was coming. That’s why Thrawn agreed to destroy Outbound Flight. The Vong capturing that many people would speed up the invasion with that much gathered information.

[@Dablo_Escobar]

As some people in the comments have pointed out before, the death would have been very effective against the vong. I would use it in hit and run tactics if necessary since it is hyperdrive capable. I would take it with a fleet of ships, preferably some star destroyers, but more anti fighter and anti frigate type ships. Then jump to whatever system the vong are in large numbers, target and destroy many of their high value ships and possibly transformed planets like they dod with coruscant. Then i would jump out system away with the fleet, refuel, re arm and prepare for possible counter attacks if the vong follow back to where we exited to re supply

[@markusweiner4432]

Greetings from Germany. Great work as always. 😊👍

[@TheStupendousWave]

Thank you very much!

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

​@@TheStupendousWave We all thank you, mate!

[@Lord_Sarlix07]

Cool endlich mal jemand aus Deutschland

[@markusweiner4432]

@@Lord_Sarlix07 genau gesagt aus dem schönen Sauerland

[@Lord_Sarlix07]

@@markusweiner4432 Sehr schön, ja ich komme aus Rheinhessen, recht schön hier aber gerade is es bissel kalt und regnerisch 😂

[@GabrielMcKnight]

This is by far your best Star Wars Essay/Theory Video and I've been watching your videos for a long time now. So please never stop uploading The Stupendous Wave!

[@SleepyKurisu]

I find it interesting how much more open palpatine was gonna be with vader after the rebels were crushed and the death star truly established. I wonder if it would come to a point where palp would be willing to help vader get a completely restored body whether it's through essence transfer or something else or if he'd still be too afraid to allow a prime anakin to return in any way possible

[@rogerbrownreacts8528]

He wanted to impress his boyfriend with the size of his ball.

[@primal1233]

Palpatine is one evil power-hungry dude

[@Mintis-bh4rr]

Nah he's a nice guy

[@sharp7079]

@@Mintis-bh4rrAlways laughing

[@JadusMoltriel]

Nah, I think he'd make a great cuddle. Seems very romantic and affectionate. Watch how he laid his hand on Vader's head by the lava on Mustafar. Can't be all evil with that degree of care. (Lol)

[@Mintis-bh4rr]

@@JadusMoltriel he just wants what's best for everyone!

[@altorre1191]

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[@TheStupendousWave]

Thank you very much!

[@NobleKnightHouseHepatrax]

"because i want it" -Palpy

[@SHARKVADERS]

I AM THE DEATH STAR

[@RandyWilliams-r8x]

New subscriber! Can’t wait to explore your channel some more

[@unknownnative5670]

No doubt a symbol. Imagine a deathstar showing up at our doorstep, it would be chaos.

[@ohhwoodnyalike2noe222]

I'd join the empire if I could.

[@JadusMoltriel]

We've had one in our orbit for millenia; it's just been so long since it arrived we've totally forgotten and labeled it a moon, even though it's WAY too big for our planet to have caught it and is mathematically impossible to be naturally created. Lucas was a whistle-blower from the beginning. He was trying to open our eyes with even the original Star Wars. Either that, or Hollywood used it for their classic "slowly prepare us for the eventual revealing of truths via sci-fy and fantasy". Look up "the moon's unnatural math, proportions, and existence". That's not a specific title, just a solid google search I'm sure would show the type of data I'm referring to. Once you know, you'll never forget about it.

[@Halfrican-Jones]

It sucks they never planned the sequel trilogy around this. Instead JJ and Rian were running in circles for four years.

[@dylandubose6961]

This video blows my mind how much of a grand vision palpatine had Not even settling for immortality but going straight for God hood

[@lewismackay1559]

He was trying to get that warhammer god emperor vibes

[@don8659]

He needed it because he was terrified of literally everything and everyone. It was his teddy bear so he could sleep at night

[@outcastmoth78kaminski4]

5:00 He wanted the Mortise Monument... he wanted to replace the father...

[@ShadowGirlyz]

I had no clue... this is amazing

[@egrintarg230]

It is amazing how far the Star Wars lore has evolved since its inception. It was originally just a big Flash Gordon knock off. And now it is way bigger than that. So much bigger. A real rabbit hole.

[@Area1313J]

Incredible video! Emperor wanted to be the god! Something I think about often is, if you break the 4th wall emperor Palpatine is the reason SW. exists. Sorry if I’m getting a little too deep there 😂

[@Area1313J]

Palpatine aspersions had no limits. Such a fascinating character

[@ShawnHCorey]

Fear does not keep people in line. When people are afraid, sanity goes out the window. Using fear only means you will be unable to predict people's actions.

[@bartsanders1553]

You can use fear, but you have to keep open a route to safety. Otherwise, you create people with nothing to lose.

[@THPK_Jbrown0117]

He needed two DS to say he had the biggest balls in the galaxy

[@Idkidkidk716]

Maybe Vader could use the shrine to get his un damaged body back with all his limbs 6:00

[@OrangeHatReviews]

Could have sworn the Death Star was also made for countering the Yuuzhan Vong.

[@sylaxvennor]

In the original, and better, EU series it was.

[@Smenkhaare]

@@sylaxvennor I loved the EU so called Legends. It was very realistic in terms on how empires are really built and slowly overcome by revolutions. Many of the books were hot garbage but 2/3rds of the books were great and told a great story.

[@davidsun3511]

That's quite a gargantuan investment of time, money, resources, and military personnel for a mere convenience. All of it just for Sidious to relieve his responsibilities as a governing emperor.

[@metal87power]

he played ball with the universe

[@mechaboy0226]

Just when I thought I saw all of his grand plans Little did I know it was even grander than that

[@akira84729]

Just started the video but I want to see if it gets right "the death star was a planet killer test bed in preparation for the Yuuzhan Vong" The subjugation of the galaxy in the name of the empire was simply the trial under which the platform was to be refined. That was after all the long game according to the EU.

[@jgreg5939]

I've been following you for a while... And I never get notifications on your video 😢

[@ctv186]

Death Star? Nah, Galactic Babysitter Ball.

[@aster4jaden]

It's kinda funny, Palpatine wanted to rule but was a shitty ruler who sabotaged his own Empire and then whined about how everyone was incompetent barring him (and a few others) despite him being the reason for their incompetence. How can his men rise to greatness when he himself wasn't a great ruler, they just reflected his bad Leadership. I know Palpatine had greater goals than the Empire, I just find it amusing how he cursed everyone for not being up to his standards while he himself wasn't up to those standards either. Could you please do a Video about Palpatine's Gardener?

[@kenton3438]

Yummy Star Wars lore

[@ChrisGrogu]

Late again, god dam it. SW could you do some readings about 9pm UK time just before I go to bed ❤ thank you 🙏🏻

[@killak3219]

I wonder if we’ll ever get to this arc in the cinematic universe.

[@犬の大将]

It sounds like Palpatine was searching for the anti life equation

[@TheAntiBigwsly]

I hear a new video you have, The Stupendous Wave. Or should I call you The Marvelous Wave?

[@Gor85]

This is all for that. Galactic Empire started to fail and his plans failed. He wanted to change space-time,eevrything. Insane genius,like you said. May the Force be with you too😊

[@BillyBlackwell-p8u]

He was gonna use it for freak off parties.

[@ForGlory]

I knew the Galaxy was too small. Just what I thought.

[@YourLifeWasting]

If I remember correctly palpatine built it to defend the galaxy from the yuuzhan vong. Also let's not forget with Disney's retcon about the death Star having a hyperdrive they could of used in episode 4. Thanks Disney...not.

[@JustinMinckley]

Finally more details and descriptions that aren't about the YV. Excellent content.

[@axiomvp7808]

Seems like a lot of extra steps, he could of remained hidden and then taken over once he was a 'god like thing'... Why bother... The Jedi weren't exactly looking for him, and he seems pretty good at hiding his power/intentions or clouding their vision of dark side. Unless that is proximity based ability.

[@mejakosu]

Problem was the Jedi order was standing guard on the sith shrine in Coruscant even if their jedi temple covered it up pretty well. Even if Yoda didn't let the flunkies know what they were guarding it didn't change the fact the jedi had to go before palpatine could get access to the location that could grant him god hood. Even if it's a lot of extra steps they were probably mostly necessary just so he could get access rights to the most important things.

[@kingshadow8782]

I'm here now.

[@truetory6231]

I love that both Vader and Thrawn turned out to be right about the death star after all.

[@_Fulgur_]

I’m surprised sidious didn’t try to create something similar to the star forge of the rakata

[@diGritz1]

Palpatine: What! You say the Galaxy next door already has a God like being? Palpatine Lacky: No I said all the galaxies have God like beings and their at the front door...... They don't seem happy, Palpatine: Oh........................... "0_o"

[@erikurizita6702]

EU all but stated it was built strictly for the Yuuzhan Vong. Palptine had been out there, he monitired them - It was stated the Vong were here since Revan and no doubt long before. So its not unbeliveable.

[@dearthditch]

He identified as a no small moon 🌙

[@tylerjackson3259]

I respect the hell outta you man

[@ZeroDarkness-]

What Palpatine forgetting is to installed Cloaking technology on it Imagine Cloaking used Death Star after firing it's laser to prevent it's location find out by Rebels

[@TheBigGuppy]

Sidious knew the Vong existed after the time of Outbound Flight. That is why Outbound flight needed to be destroyed. The Death Star was designed to fight Yuuzhan Vong Worldships.

[@PhantomRedKnight]

He needed it cuz he hadn't mastered the Force Storm yet.

[@assaultgaming6614]

The Death Star was more of a scare tactic than anything I mean how many planets did u really see them blow up with that thing

[@svenmartin840]

Then Palatine played the game of Rasslion and Lost. He won the immortality he sought. But Rasslion put him away forever

[@Offu-cz9wl]

What does rasslion mean? I even googled it because I had never heard of it and Google didn’t have anything

[@logat1847]

@@Offu-cz9wl yeah I have no clue what this guy is talking about

[@niallnorwood4669]

He talking about the time lord legendary(from Doctor Who) Rassilon

[@jaredquinney204]

I really can't believe that he actually believes that he could become a god

[@avatardelta8008]

The next Yavin IV? You meant Alderaan, right?

[@tatemcilwain1775]

I think he means that after destroying Gavin IV he was gonna blow up moncalamari

[@metal87power]

Shibai Otsosuki

[@TheLuconic]

Vader: palps, why do we even need such a big station? We got plenty of big ships! Palpatine: exactly! Lookie here Vader, I’m a big emperor with a big empire. I have a big apprentice with a big ship. Why would I bother to size you up when I could have the biggest ship of them all! A space station. Vader: wait, all this so you could have a ride? Palpatine nods Vader: But it has a planet destroying laser! Palpatine: and yours could raid a whole planet, I fail to see the problem. Also, my massive fuzzy dice have no ship to hang on and now I have to somehow get my deposits back for this plant order I made. Vader looks at Palpatines data pad: are those racing stripes? Palpatine: and flames Vader. Flames! I was this close in pimping out my ride and now it’s space dust! Oh well, thankfully I got a second Death Star in the works. Vader: how- Palpatine: Pimpin!

[@vencislavdimitrov9304]

As insane as this sounds, it fits perfectly the sith mentality. Vitiate was already an immortal sith emperor, way stop there? According to the rule of two, every next generation of the sith must be better than the previous. Since some ancient sith achieve a simple immortality, the next logical step should be a divinity - becoming a god.

[@skepticalsmurf]

plans within plans… 🤔

[@regentmad1037]

i'm going to guess so he could blow up yuuzhan vong world ships in a single shot.

[@darylwright6093]

I do understand why Palpatine had to get rid of his master. He wasn't Sorry for what he did to his family, but plagueis tricked him. The way that he took advantage of maul. However, I believe that Darth sidious should have immediately restored Vader, employed a doppelganger to rule in his stead, and disappeared into the Galaxy. This way, the death Star could be built in secret and the sith can go on focusing on the secrets of the force. Maybe later when they have obtained. More power worry about the empire

[@raijyn2452]

Palpatine wanted to be Disney all along

[@SlayXemnas]

Many in the comment section mentioned the nearing arrival of the Yuuzhan Vong was a reason for Palpatine to build the Death Star. I never fully understood how he would have foreseen the arrival of the Yuuzhan Vong, since they are completely detached from the force unable to sense it or be sensed through the force. The only explanation I can come up with is that Palpatine sensed a shatterpoint although it's debateable if the Yuuzhan Vong would create a senseable shatterpoint.

[@pituk8913]

He knew about the Vong because Thrawn had encountered them in the unknown regions

[@SlayXemnas]

@@pituk8913 Yes, I know that Thrawn had informations about the Yuuzhan Vong. I haven't read Unbound Flight yet, it's on my list but this one question: Was the intel Thrawn had about the Yuuzhan Vong really enough for Palpatine to build such a great military force?

[@EilertAlemat]

good point... I do not think he sensed exactly Vong - but rather something that immune to the Force (a gap in the Force), a threat (he would even if they were fluffy kittens - bastard is paranoid) and that it is moving towards Empire so Death Star being his plan to confront threats he can't combat with Force powers in my opinion pretty valid idea

[@Wolfaydragoon]

@@SlayXemnas technically there is also the story of maul struggling to beat just one of them. Granted he didn’t use his lightsaber to maintain secrecy, but even using the dark side to empower himself he barely won. To someone like palpatine, who basically worships the dark side’s power and wants to truly master it, the fact they could keep up with maul terrified him. Also he might not sense them directly, but it’s possible he could see potential destruction using future sight.

[@eds1942]

Building the Death Star to counter the Yuuzhan Vong is just a fan theory. In truth, the structure and hold over the galaxy of the Empire itself, gave the Vong pause, causing them to hold off their invasion. Which is one of the reasons why Thrawn supported a return of the empire over the New Republic. Besides, Palpatine was full of himself, and the Vong were a blind spot. They, if he was even aware of them, were beneath his concern as he was near victory and saw only absolute power ahead for him. Luke was a bigger concern for him. Rouge Moffs, Admirals and assassins were a bigger concern for him than a bunch of nomads hiding at the edge of the galaxy for who knows how long, and so weak that their world ships were starting to fail and they could not even tough the Force. And that last part would’ve meant that he would not be able to get any sense of them through the Force to indicate their intentions or if they might turn out to be a threat. A Force vision of their invasion would only show war, maybe some shadowy shapes, but nothing of them.

[@kirkdavis2881]

He needed to prop up the failing Imperial steel industry.

[@metal87power]

essentially, generic or classic anime shonen villain ambition

[@stretopovermind9680]

And in the meantime (while Palpatine were planning his takeover of the Republic) the Jedi, effectively ruling the Galaxy for centuries already, planned to do... what? Did they plan to build, to create something? No. Impotent, all of them.

[@lordofpain3476]

Our beloved Emperor Sheeve Palpatine believed in peace above all else . Peace through superior fire power , he knew that a few death stars could protect the entire galaxy from beings such as the Vong . Unfortunately , the blood thirsty terrorist organization known as the alliance destroyed them to aid in the Vong's conquest of the galaxy . They brutally murdered millions of their fellow galactic citizens in order to assist the invaders .

[@DarthMirasshtar]

/Hears the spaceballs song

[@EAWanderer]

Palpetine in need of something that doesn't involve more power or instilling fear? 🤔 Hmmm, cunning as always HE IS!

[@adamb89]

It was actually a giant toilet. Think about it, the second Death Star was bigger and better in every way, and the one single greatest improvement was that the Emperor's tower lacked a bathroom of any sort, but it DID have a shaft leading straight down to the reactor. Let's face it, when you've got that much power, you can't just drop trou and take a Sith anywhere you please, it's gotta be capable of handling the unbridled power of the brown side.

[@thomasparque7834]

The Death Star was bad idea even for Sidious needs, Darth Bane would probably would agree with Vader and Thrawn. At most the Death Star been built after fullfill in his own goals and point outside of the galazy not inward.

[@mysteriouse5891]

Somehow ... nah, nice work.

[@EmperorCaligula_EC]

Not a man with small aims, eh? XD

[@Ragnorok657]

Why does this seem like KK's plan for star wars as well😑😑😑

[@HereSpartan117]

You presume limits to his power. There are none.

[@robertenleed-q3r]

Daarth Star = Death Star? I could have been a dark mantra (daarth Mantra) lol

[@GGBlaster]

I don’t know… this all seems really complicated compared to Palpatine’s ultimate goal. Did he really need to rule the Galaxy to be able to alter reality? If he could alter reality, he could quite easily create a reality in which he rules the Galaxy as a fanatically worshipped deity. He can complete step 1 by just skipping to step 2.

[@TheGuardianofAzarath]

odd that you seem to claim that the sith shrine is probably the most powerful focus of darkside energy, when realistically, that would, and _should_ be mortis, since that is where Abaloth became what she is now.

[@venkelos6996]

In some respects, that still doesn't explain the need for the Death Star, though. Smaller ships, though obviously still big dreadnoughts, could carry weapons that could do what the ststion could. They could carry enough TIEs to swarm enemies, troops, materiel, and prefab bases to drop on groubd troops, and even an eclipse cannon that could wreck capital ships, or worlds, in a few shots. More than thay, though, once the Jedi were gone, there doesn't seem to be much need to rule directly, if what he wanted was to fade away, and be an evil Yoda, unlocking forgotten secrets. Short of needing to goad dead ghosts that he was worthy of their secrets; HE ruled the galaxy, it seems being Emperor was purely for the pride, and arrogance, of Sidious. Et the galaxy flounder, split up a bit, and do what it will; when he returns with true power, he cab get it back then, but these esoteric pursuits don't seem to benefit from having a Death Star, or being an Emperor; they were just extras, or even hurdles. It's too bad, though. My own biggrst complaint is often how little Vader seemed to fit into plans. The Emperor didnt want him fixated on stalking Jedi survivors, or killing all of his incompetent officers, yet there always seemed so little else that Vader, specifically, was beeded to do. It would have been cool to actually see Palpatine making plans where Vader was crucial, and only Vader could work.

[@jessco8950]

Wow only 1 min!?!? Last time I came this early my gf broke up with me!… wait…

[@frenzalrhomb6919]

An oldie, but a goody!!

[@OptimusPater87]

Not to sound like the salty fan but I wish they would relegate the most recent trilogy into legends, allowing Lucas and Filoni to setup a trilogy that paves way for the Vong

[@jkranites]

So reading so many comments about the Vong…the Deus Ex Machina of the SW universe. Never understood how they can be outside the force if all life is connected through it. Whether you like it or not. Seemed like the author who I forget needed a villain for villains sake. So much like most of Legends it has ideas but if you use literary sense most of it is crap

[@czab5944]

Thank you for covering the lore and not.....other things.....

[@ZeldaSam1]

I would go so far as to say Sidious is was the Anti-Christ of Star Wars!!!

[@titangamerhd9215]

7:24

[@robertstrong6798]

He was basically a middle aged man who buys a flash car 🚘 lol 😂 if you build a death 💀 star 🌟 the size of a planet 🌍 that’s one hell of a midlife crises 😂

[@samuelrobles3737]

Day 637 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon

[@snakeeyes3883]

all you did was explain that he needed the death star for that purpose. you didn't explain how and why though. why was the death star needed for that? why couldnt he just fly there?

[@kurakuson]

Alter reality? How about these: six Infinity Stones, which are: Space Stone: Blue Reality Stone: Red Power Stone: Purple Mind Stone: Yellow Time Stone: Green Soul Stone: Orange

[@SOTURICAT]

So hes ultimate goal was to shape all living beings to dark side and worship him. Kingdom of the dark force.............. forever in dark..........