Tank Chats

[@thetankmuseum]

Hello Tank Nuts! We are kicking off June with another Tank Chat from Museum Curator David Willey. This week he will be detailing the Warthog. As usually do let us know your thoughts.

[@therover65]

When u search old Warthog videos from 10 yrs ago, all the Brit troops were raving about the Warthog. There’s even a 4 part series on the Warthog on Ops in Afghanistan called “war wagons”. It showed a Warthog destroyed by a mine or IED. But everyone survived.

[@ridhwansuriyathardi4416]

Have seen this with a mortar in the back pod. Amount of rounds it could drop and move to another firing location makes it really capable.

[@parky5329]

That would be great

[@hongmingkoo8906]

ST Kenetics does sell Bronco with their super rapid automated mortar system which is operational in Singapore. Not sure the same was offered to that ordered versions of China's JY813 with their version of mortar systems incorporated.

[@robertpella2389]

Bet those mortar carriers can put out unbeleivable amounts of ordinance really fast. Does anybody put gasoline in the mortars any more?

[@therover65]

@@hongmingkoo8906 please clarify, China is buying the Bronco?

[@bniall]

Drove one on herrick 19. Absolutely atrocious to drive on the road because of the vibrations, road wheels constantly fell off either because the bolts fell/vibrated out or the rim cracked around the bolts. ECM constantly broke because of the vibrations, cages constantly fell apart because bolts vibrated loose etc etc. the track was an absolute beast to put back in place, idler adjustment was permanently set to one position ruining the tracks quicker because it was perfectly positioned to swallow dust and seize it up. Air conditioning was terrible and never worked, the driver was out right beside the engine so you’d almost pass out from heat worsened by no cooling. Pretty good cross country though

[@markmcgibbon7013]

I guess you were crew I remember watching them after ops it looked like they had alot of maintenance to do, was glad to be infantry in that case. On Herrick 18 we probably made the ride worse by putting a mountain of sand bags on the back as part of are defensive stores.

[@bniall]

@@markmcgibbon7013 Was especially nice when the heat really kicked in and all the poop bags stuffed under the floorboards exploded

[@markmcgibbon7013]

@@bniall gleaming

[@HendersonSouth]

I was on 10/11 with these and they held up well on long patrols, weeks outside of Bastion with only minor servicing and repairs Maybe by the time you got them the years had taken their toll

[@dixoncider4684]

I spent 2 weeks strait in one of these once upon a time in one cold January. She was a cold unit, had a hard time keeping my left foot warm. On the flip-side, my right foot never had that issue 😆I recall taking my right sock off so my foot would not sweat, put it on my left foot to deal with cold 😂 Wasn’t perfect but it worked.

[@SeverusFelix]

I love stories like this. Just the things people do to cope with little mundane issues. It almost never winds up in history books, but I think future generations would be able to identify more with rhe guy with two socks on one foot than with the "big picture" stuff they'll learn in school

[@tent7014]

Love the authentic added sound of the first real mobile vehicle in the background at approx time stamp 4.32 ish .....the clipitty clop of a good old hoss !!!

[@datadavis]

I remember getting a ride in the hägglunds wagon as a kid. They gave me a steel helmet, i soon realized why i needed it! Full blast through terrain and we were banging around wildly. Loved it!

[@markmcgibbon7013]

I was in the back of these things alot, only once did the AC work but it was brilliant. Off road it was very smooth but on the road it was awful the vibrations were so bad on one occasion it sheered off a road wheel

[@naughtyfrog8257]

don’t think there’s AC

[@David-kd4qr]

@@naughtyfrog8257 he says is the video they added it later due to the heat in Afghanistan. Originally they didn't have ac.

[@jamesowen418]

thought I was going to die in the back of one if these in Afghan, warm asthmatic air-con, was like being in an oven!! so much kit and people in the back. there wasn't room to be thrown around going cross country though! 😂

[@markmcgibbon7013]

@@naughtyfrog8257 there deffo is but its main purpose of it is to hit your head off it, so many bloody times

[@shawnc5188]

@@naughtyfrog8257 the warthog variant of the Bronco had a lot of ‘after market” modifications including air conditioning and additional armour. This explains the “bad ride quality” and why it couldn’t swim. It was never designed as a frontline combat vehicle, but as a support vehicle - signals, mortar, supply, and the mods added to make it so in Afghanistan had obvious trade-offs.

[@markedwards158]

David is back. this is going to be a good one i an sure.

[@samholdsworth420]

Needs more mustache

[@samholdsworth420]

Actually, need less beard 🤣

[@M3chUpN8y]

Thank you for highlighting the Warthog/Bronco! Greetings from Singapore!

[@wilson-iv7ve]

Im a mortarman of the mtc variant of this in Singapore!🙌

[@sampointau]

The Majority of the photos of the Singapore units in the field are actually photographed on Australian Army ranges and training areas as Singapore uses Australia as their major training areas due to lack of space in Singapore itself.

[@timgosling6189]

The problem with UORs is that once the Op is over you have to make a choice. UOR funding comes from something called the Contingency Fund, ie down the back of the Government's sofa, and does not include support outside the Op for which it was bought. So if you want to keep something you have to take it into the Core MOD funding. And if you're paying for that you have to decide what else you're not going to pay for to make good the deficit. The worst one I remember was the Treasury allocating the MOD £400M for UORs for the NATO Op against Serbia in the late '90s. The following year it was announced that the £400M wasn't part of the Contingency Fund but actually to be considered part of the Core and the MOD would have to find the same amount in savings anyway. All 3 Services then proper stuffed.

[@jep77ray]

It just makes my day when a new video comes from the tank museum. Always awesome

[@tedstrikertwa800]

Cuppa tea, biscuit, new Tank Chat. Magic.

[@rickv1007]

During Vietnam, the US had the equivalent of UOR, it was called ENSURE. Expedited Non Standard Urgently Requested Equipment. Issue was since they were off the shelf purchases, it was hard for troops to get spare parts since they were not part of the military standard logistics. The US National Archives has the ENSURE project files for items. After Vietnam most of the equipment was discarded as well.

[@theinterestbox8608]

When I see this thing I just think of the top gear episode we're James goes over to "help" and the quote i love "everything here is named after a dog..except the warthog which is named after a warthog"...classic

[@Paveway-chan]

Warthog was channeling the spirit of the Churchill tank I see, with how it could climb.

[@zaynevanday142]

Threats are usually re active not pro active in the NZDF we sent our lads to Bosnia 🇧🇦 (1994-95) in M113’s and when it’s discovered that the armour couldn’t even defeat the 7.62mm x39 Short ammunition this information is leaked via the troops to family members to the NZ Media and the cogs of power moved quickly to suppress the public outrage and the M113’s are “Up Armoured” ie bolt on armour added the New Zealand Extended Company was attached to a British Battalion working out of the Santichi Camp with the Dutch

[@troywalker8078]

I was in Camp Comanche in '94. Near Tuzla.

[@MosoKaiser]

Interesting vehicle! Also reminded me immediately of the Finnish Sisu NA-110, a tracked vehicle quite similar to the Swedish BV 206. Probably just a coincidence, but the NA-110 is nicknamed "Nasu" in the Finnish army slang (supposedly a contraction of "nauha-Sisu", lit. "band-Sisu", from the manufacturer & track type), which happens to be Piglet's name in Finnish translations of Winnie-the-Pooh. The UK name of Warthog for the ATTC is quite fitting, looking like a beefed-up, 'roided Piglet. :D

[@datadavis]

Piglet is kalled Nasse in Swedish, its also slang for Nazi lol

[@grantm6514]

The name 'Bronco' doesn't fit this vehicle at all, 'Warthog' is a much better name for a squat, ugly thing that loves to wallow in mud.

[@SueBobChicVid]

Interesting chat on the operational history of a vehicle I know little about. I would like to have heard more about the articulation and power transfer between the pods.

[@jack5760]

It was a direct drive with flexible couplings between the pods to a box to transfer the drive to the tracks for each unit. Steering was all handled by the articulation unit. And it just brute forces the whole vehicle either left or right to turn

[@catlee8064]

Funny....i was still banging around Helmand in a roofless land rover in 2008....would of loved one of these. Also, the UOR bought a vehicle called vector....and it was 400 million flushed down the toilet.

[@parky5329]

Oh yeah,wasn't that the pinzgaur with snatch army??? Absolute crap that was!! A way for the government to say that we had more and better armour

[@aaronwilkinson8963]

I was on Herrick 11. In that time we were using mostly the mastiffs

[@Kelvin_Foo]

Troops from the Singapore Armed Forces will know this vehicle very well (as the Bronco and variants), it was developed at the old STK premises at Ayer Rajah, where the old British Army REME used to be based in the '50s - '60s.

[@MarkzOng]

Gone baby gone

[@shawnc5188]

Probably the only Singapore made vehicle at the War Museum. And it’s STK for Singapore Technologies Kinetic

[@xianseah4847]

It is amphibious with hydrolic pumps. A huge downside is that the rubber tracks loves to stick up dry dust and kicking it high into the air.

[@stuartb9194]

When your mic cover matches your beard, class act David!

[@davedaihatsu2585]

Even though the STK Warthog was procured under the UOR, it is still properly British because of the all important boiling vessel. Can anyone refute that?

[@SteamCrane]

That settles it!

[@sidwainhouse]

Having used BV202/206, Viking and Warthog I know all to well how good they are off road. Best out of the lot was BV202...

[@andrewricketts1336]

@14:09 why does it have a squirrel painted on it?

[@zopEnglandzip]

Excellent episode, I'd enjoy a trip through Arctic vehicles weasel through Viking

[@thewind23r]

The variant you have is the training variant (which is why there are "T" on the vehicle) which is without the protection kits. The video got a few details wrong as well. Speaking from someone who was involved in delivering this vehicle to the UK MoD

[@Niinsa62]

I was wondering about the letter T all over the vehicle. But now I know! Thank you!

[@interdictr3657]

Fascinating!

[@bikenavbm1229]

I live next to the building In Wales where they amongst others were up armoured etc, unsure why but they were "testing" them occasionaly around the outside of the building and with the echo off the structure they were loud this usually happened on the weekend for some reason, some of my neighbors complained not me of course.

[@trshbrnr1]

Outstanding content and presentation!

[@kelvinp9267]

As a SG Bronco Operator, i approve this xd

[@meepokboy4284]

me too

[@michaelmulligan0]

Timoney Technologies (Irish company) was involved in design of Bronco

[@naughtyfrog8257]

is that so? we worked with them on the Terrex, don’t think they’re involved on the Bronco.

[@michaelmulligan0]

@@naughtyfrog8257 reportedly drivetrain and power pack

[@naughtyfrog8257]

@@michaelmulligan0 for sure they were involved with the 8x8 Terrex.

[@mikeynth7919]

Could make a decent ORV camper out of it.

[@robertnisbet5590]

There's nothing like creating a problem and then spending millions solving it. Awesome😨

[@therover65]

And then dumping the millions spent for a pittance.

[@zaynevanday142]

4:37 hang on a second was that a horse ? 😂 the original “Tanks” the Calvary

[@derekowens1817]

The Tank Museum is next door to the local military saddle club. D

[@HereticalKitsune]

Reminds me a LOT of the Bv206S... I can certainly see the "inspiration" there. xD Still absolutely love the looks of this thing!

[@DeeEight]

I would buy one for 60k pounds... that'd make for an interesting adventure camper conversion here in Canada.

[@promiscuous5761]

Thank you.

[@frederickvondinkerberg7721]

They should convert the rear cargo section to seating and have it do laps of the arena for paying vistors

[@danielc2701]

That IS seating.

[@therighthonsirdoug]

Temperatures in Afghanistan sometimes exceeded 50 degrees, with the temperature inside some vehicles that didn't have a/c fitted measured at over 60 degrees with the occupants literally cooking inside. In 2007 the LDs deployed with their CVRTs without an adequate thermal shield between the driver and the engine. On one vehicle the driver's compartment was measured at 61 degrees. Some drivers had to be casevaced with serious heat illness with their bodies showing signs that they were being cooked! They developed an sop where the vehicle commander, who's turret were a much cooler mid 50 degrees, would at regular intervals pour a bottle of water over the drivers head in an attempt to keep them cool!

[@bringerebrethil6176]

It may not have the most immense pedigree compared to other vehicles but I definitely see it a beast that will not be lost for generations

[@therover65]

Retiring these perfectly operational vehicles that saved lots of lives is the ultimate in stupidity.

[@EP-bb1rm]

Too big and heavy to replace the Viking. Not enough of them to replace vehicles like CVR(T) and Bulldog is support roles. They would just be a massive logistics burden.

[@ShopeeMarketteam]

I love no air-conditioning in 37°C weather omggg i love the bronco

[@stevecane1987]

And to add to the viking i was apart of the 1st lot of army to train on this for afghanistan 3rd troop A sqn Queens Royal Lancers

[@99jws]

The Gama-Goat grew up! I had the distinction of being the only driver in memory, at Ft Benning, to get a Goat stuck so bad it had to be pulled out.

[@alucardofficial7074]

Excellent video as always

[@Paladin1873]

It looks like a badass version of the Lost In Space chariot. I wonder if Ukrainian artillery units could use them to deploy their new M777 155mm towed howitzers.

[@momohlum4295]

Try reversing a road train in mud and you'll have your answer

[@EP-bb1rm]

@@momohlum4295 not a road train. The vehicle steers by articulation, not by track differential.

[@timoteiafanasie4894]

Very, very well spent money. I bet there were no other problems in the UK to be solved.

[@paulcoverdale8312]

I cannot think of another vehicle that fulfills the school run shoppin trolly space in UK than this.😂😂😂 Seriously it’s amazing. How much???❤❤❤❤❤🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🥃🥃

[@billevans7936]

Excellent....!!

[@66kbm]

Great info, re the number plate...KC, how early is that? My Bedford TM was KB reg in 1985? How do the Army designate registrations? Anyone got a link please? EDIT Why was Warrior not used in Afghanistan? It may have but i have seen no pictures. 15 million for each vehicle? REALLY. Its an up armoured BV. 15 million, unbelievable. Again, a lot of people made a lot of money from soldiers lives. Shame on them.

[@derekowens1817]

Warrior was used in Afghanistan, by the armoured infantry company of Battle Group Centre South when I was there. 2 R Welsh, part of RRF then, latterly, the Household Cavalry battlegroups, in effect. D

[@naughtyfrog8257]

they’re about 1 million bare vehicle, not sure how much after thales finished with their british specific mods

[@callumedwards1398]

Great video. Thanks

[@JohnRodriguesPhotographer]

I can see how this vehicle could still be useful if the hull was redesigned. The tractor could be MRAP and up grade engine through tuning if possible for the added cab weight.

[@cosmoray9750]

Oslo Freedom Forum kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2e2kJl-qZqhmtE

[@jolomies]

Finland has something similar too, you feel like a pinball in a box shaken by a giant, when riding in the windowless box in the rear, do not recommend it. all the weight is at the bottom, and it has no armor, it will literally go anywhere.

[@danielc2701]

This one has armor, took a few IEDs in Afghanistan without crew fatalities because of that.

[@Swede_4_DragonBeliever]

Greetings from Sweden!

[@peppermill7163]

Are there versions of this type of design earlier than the Bandvagn 202 (1962)?

[@dixoncider4684]

This version came out well after the 206. As for earlier versions of the 202, there was the Sno Trac, developed in Canada post WW2, early 50’s perhaps.

[@jameswoollard84]

Still find it astonishing how little pushback there was, at the time or in the time since, on Blair's wars.

[@AliceLoverdrive]

And here I am, expecting a tank chat about A-10. Sometimes I'm not smart

[@jerryjeromehawkins1712]

Lol... you're not alone. I thought the same. 🛩

[@ditzydoo4378]

We used something like these in the US Army as to 206-SUSV (Small Unit Support Vehicle) to great effect in Alaska, Bosnia, Kosovo and the like. I simply loved mine. (sigh) my spelling and diction are utter rubbish. o~0

[@shawnc5188]

That’s a Hagglands BV 206 derivative, not a Warthog which is an ST Kinetics Bronco variant. Think the big difference (for troops) is the Bronco has a V hull.

[@ditzydoo4378]

@@shawnc5188 yep it is, and I agree with the curator, the Warthog was a heavily "borrowed" design concept, no doubt on that.

[@captainhurricane5705]

Interesting stuff, thanks!

[@spartanong1567]

Proud to see a Singaporean made armored vehicle performing well in combat and saving the lives of British soldiers in Afghanistan

[@gelatinousturncoat]

I like the history of the vehicles, but I was a bit disappointed we didn't get much of a look at the vehicle itself. With newer vehicles I feel like it shouldn't be too much of an ask for a look around inside.

[@IvanGoldBit]

14:20 60k mmm.... I might want to import 1 or 2 lol

[@Pavlos_Charalambous]

somehow this looks very futuristic and at the same time a vehicle that has the very basic ability a tank should have - the ability to overcome obstacles . by the way greeks firefighters use a very similar vehicle - i don't know if it's related for dealing with forest fires and blizzards because they can go literally everywhere , again its strikes me as a suprise that this kind of vehicles aren't that Popular

[@bullettube9863]

I think this idea was first used in Alaska, they were called snow-cats and were also used in the Arctic and Antarctica by explorers. They work fine on level ground, but have problems over rough terrain and of course they make great targets for your enemy. Being higher then a Sherman tank they are hard to hide, and without the armor of a tank they can easily be taken out with RPGs. Comfort for the passengers is not a consideration and from what I learned about them the heater/AC for the following unit rarely works right.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

Snow cats are a different vehicle actually. The snow cats were the older Swedish vehicles. Not even the bv 206 which this is similar to, but the older bv 202.

[@stevecane1987]

I re rolled to viking absolutely the best vehicle i have ever operated

[@jammiedodger7040]

Warthog should’ve remained in service

[@theromanorder]

I think we have that here in new Zealand too

[@Argophobiac]

“No but, why warthog? I mean, it doesn’t really look like a pig. I think it looks more like a puma.”

[@carbon1255]

What in Sam hell is a puma?

[@SeverusFelix]

Were there horses running around behind the camera?

[@Riceball01]

This looks like the perfect vehicle to have in SHTF or zombie apocalypse situation. Aboiut the only draw back that I can see to it, aisdde from maintenance which applies to any vehicles, are the rubber tracks. If they break or your throw a track, there's fixing or replacing them very easily, even if you have a spare set of tracks handy.

[@allangibson2408]

Rubber tracks are more reliable than you seem to think. The steel wire ropes imbedded in the rubber in them take a lot of breaking. That’s why most industrial tracked equipment use them now. They are also much lighter than the equivalent steel tracks. Wear is however an issue but they have less wear than the equivalent steel tracks with a proviso that you can’t just replace a track pad.

[@Blackadderthefourth]

We're back baby

[@StoccTube]

I reckon a few Ukrainians could make use of any left in storage as they have lots of wetland and rivers to cross out East!

[@sully4627]

A10 Warthog: "Identity theft is not a joke".

[@alamore5084]

This looks still to be a very useful vehicle. Would make a great logistics vehicle with many applications. Hope the army revisit this decision.

[@jonreid7957]

They won’t. Pissing money up the wall is what the MOD does best.

[@ptonpc]

They won't. Kit supplied under the UOR and equivalent remained on the Treasury's books. If the MOD took it on, then it would be on the MOD's books, so the MOD would have to pay for it. It's why lots of vehicles were left in Afghanistan and Iraq, or in some cases. brought back to the UK to be scrapped. The scrappers had to provide evidence that every single piece was destroyed.

[@parky5329]

Never understood why the army simply didn't keep them to use by the infantry in cold weather climates, especially seeing as the threat from Russia in arctic regions is growing! And to sell them at such a loss

[@sniperjared]

Probably the maintence and logistics costs of keeping them around

[@hongmingkoo8906]

Bae Systems Hägglunds likely forced the British army procurement office to buy the X numbers more of their "improved" Vikings after that settlement outside court with ST Kenetics in a timeline agreement that "spare parts support" to the existing Warthogs' contract expired. Not sure how much "under current" is there from this deal alone with industrial heads, politics figures and military higher up.

[@johnnunn8688]

Are the ‘T’ markings just to say which vehicle, which panel belongs to?

[@matthewnewell4517]

Training version.

[@johnnunn8688]

@@matthewnewell4517 , if that was so, it would have a couple of large Ts on it, Shirley?

[@SteamCrane]

2 Bob Semples hooked together?

[@tristan1234567890]

60k and rubber tracks......i was looking for a new daily :)

[@sparky6996]

So... I remember these as a kid....in the 80s

[@marrs1013]

Sweet.

[@gerry343]

What has gone wrong with Ajax?

[@SonsOfLorgar]

everything?

[@nottiification]

In america we call that a "drug interdiction vehicle" and every police dept has one rotting in their back lot.

[@johanvanzyl8479]

I want one.

[@bigsarge2085]

👍👍👍

[@Frogboxer]

A modernised Bren Carrier would have solved a lot of problems much more cheaply.

[@Alan.livingston]

Really, this is a 21st century Bren Gun carrier. A square box with tracks for lugging stuff on the battle field.

[@RaDeus87]

I wonder how they dealt with keeping dust out and cool air in when the gunner was at his gun? I image some mcgyvered a seal using a draw-string bag or something similar 😅

[@OntarioBearHunter]

positive air displacement maybe.

[@jack5760]

No we just had to suck it up. But one thing we did try was disconnecting the AC flexible hose and shove it inside our body armour. But that didn't really work. You just got one really cold spot.

[@jameskoskinen6763]

Keeping dust out and cool air in are luxuries we soldiers didn't get, especially in combat vehicles

[@garethhayes9982]

Caterpillar c7 same engine as the strykers

[@thiscouldntblowmore]

pretty sure the supposed original, the Singapore one was based on similar Swedish or Finnish vehicle..

[@thekaxmax]

he said that; direct copy, to the extent of possible copyright infringement

[@tommeakin1732]

9:16 In the future can you say a little bit more about cage armour? It still seems to be a very pervasive myth that these forms of protection are supposed to pre-detonate HEAT warheads, and somehow the jet is supposed to dissipate before it reaches the main body of the vehicle. As far as I'm aware, the is a form of cheap, relatively light protection that's supposed to give a vehicle a chance of surviving an attack with a chemical penetrator by just stopping the warhead's fuse from arming while damaging the projectile in the process. You alluded to that by saying "trap", but it's be nice to hear someone in your position go into a little more detail and perhaps deal with that myth

[@neoquegon]

What do the T markings for?

[@matthewnewell4517]

Training version.

[@neoquegon]

@@matthewnewell4517 makes sense, thanks

[@gitfoad8032]

Could you do a chat on Ajax?

[@ned900]

I got excited becuse I thought the thumbnail was the South African Buffel

[@MartinCHorowitz]

LOL I thought you were going to talk about US A-10

[@ttraderjim]

Are tanks and other armored vehicles air-conditioned?

[@SonsOfLorgar]

some are, most aren't, and the eastern block vehicles that are is it to protect the electronics, not for crew comfort...