TikTok Is Better Than Vine

[@DianaMcManaman]

Today on: Nathan Zed is here to throw hands with his own generation

[@PercyK1ng]

This is THE BEST COMMENT!! 🤣😭😆

[@БулатМиннуллин-р8щ]

Y'all kids have to admit the third pew was better

[@bobbysworld281995]

Carlin riffed his time and was a legend.

[@rizie7355]

@@БулатМиннуллин-р8щ don't do that bruh

[@brebytheway]

i never got on vine growing up so I will join him against our generation lol

[@juliannatheresa5565]

Vine the app: trash. The iconic vines in vine compilations: historic.

[@marietteromero7701]

except what makes me sad is that there are so many vines I revined or liked from small creators that never made it into the famous KZbin compilations and have been erased forever and I will never see again.

[@JPLEYONKO4]

@@marietteromero7701 wiw that's a tough feeling

[@mynameisreallycool1]

Yeah. Those vine compilations have only the good vines. People forget that before the app shut down, a lot of the content on vine was trash and people started growing tired of it. That's why it shut down in the first place. Someday TikTok will shut down and people will be posting videos with titles that say, "TikToks that cured my depression (rip TikTok)" with people commenting, "Omg I miss TikTok 😢" "RIP TikTok"

[@jadawilliams2319]

@@marietteromero7701 you could make a vine video yourself and title it: Underrated vines or vine artist that missed the vibe check

[@chickofmusic001]

@@mynameisreallycool1 this is why I also follow my favorite small or big creators, on other know social media platforms. 😄😄🙆🏾‍♀️

[@Epiphani100]

I really died at the “this is advanced racism”

[@Hongan09]

LMAO I'M DEAD 💀

[@Dina8485]

Tik tok has learned from vine's mistakes. except for the racism

[@yashaymulraj1910]

What was Vine’s mistake? Not being able to monetize content?

[@pieterciere5012]

Yashay Mulraj they didn’t even have any ads at all

[@Powered1Buttercup]

Racism, homophobia, ableism, this app goes off hard with this stuff. Last week I saw a challenge that involved making fun of disabled people, that shit was a challenge wtf.

[@boulshyte8932]

They doubled down on that part👀

[@cyborgsaiko]

let's not forget the original Savage dance was made by a black girl and not by the yt chick that got recognition from it.

[@aziekurr]

U should trademark gurg before someone else gets any ideas lmaoo

[@БулатМиннуллин-р8щ]

Sounds like a drink from rick and morty

[@aidylweiss.]

Check out the album “Gerg”

[@Kojimochi]

Can't wait for "Gurgs that cure my depression"

[@amandawynn1040]

There are SO many tik toks out there that have “vine energy” as the kids call it. The algorithm once it learns what you like is amazing. The two massive issues I’ve witnessed are the multiple forms of racism (stealing IP from creators of color without credit, keeping racist tik toks up but banning or blocking the tik toks that call out the racism, etc) AND horrendous cyber bullying. The comments I see on the video of a 15 year old girl just dancing are so so cruel. otherwise though, amazing amazing app. There is something for everyone.

[@Pr0d3gi]

cyberbullying isnt exclusive to tiktok

[@okaylame3210]

preach

[@sg5067]

There's also a lot of animal abuse

[@Macy_Richards]

That’s true some of the bullying is horrific. Like at first I thought a lot of it was funny because it was mostly jokes, then I saw comments with thousands of likes telling kids to kill themselves

[@wolfphoebe20]

@@Pr0d3gi but it's absolutely unchecked and noticably wayyy more toxic. Bc you're exposed to strangers vs on IG and Snapchat when it's usually people you have to face

[@Ruth-fx2fl]

The problem with Tik Tok is that it uses “sounds” so if someone makes a bomb ass joke they do get the credit but there’s gonna be 100+ more videos of ppl just using their sound to make the exact same joke. Also guaranteed the original creator of the joke will be overshadowed by whoever is the prettiest person to use their sound

[@thedkjourneyyy]

I agree. While I don't have tiktok there are a lot of reposted videos that I have come across on twitter and insta. All these short clips not only each use the same "sound" but I've seen various amounts of the tiktoks created by different people wearing down to similar outfits, hairstyles, and recording and editing their clips verbatim at least 10 times by now. It's weird and I feel it's really taking away from the originality. It does sucks that people considered socially more acceptable or prettier usually receive the credit and sometimes end up not giving credit.

[@burntblueberrywaffles]

Especially when those get reposted on Instagram and you can’t find who the original audio came from

[@AirQuotes]

That's my biggest issue with it

[@hlabhlabhlab]

@@thedkjourneyyy To be fair at least TikTok the app does most of the time credit the original video or some creators will do it themselves. As for Instagram and twitter...i find that some of these owners of meme pages specifically will cut out any of the creators name or will not even bother to credit them while also bashing TikTok in the same breathe..

[@asaphkalala]

i've seen no promotion or advertisement for byte

[@r_odric]

it's still in an open bats phase, they're testing all the features before 1.0 and then they'll advertise. they've already started the partner program

[@RegularOddball]

ALSO anyone else notice like half the people who "miss vine" didn't even HAVE the app at the time but know the iconic ones from the compilations??

[@borko8325]

OH MY GOD

[@mdnightdaydream]

idk about y’all but there are tiktoks that have me ROLLING to the point where i’m in tears

[@kdee24]

I got vine in it’s early days and I still had the app downloaded when they deleted it. I also got tiktok a few months before the name changed from musically. so I kinda watched vine go from it’s glory days to the end and I watched tiktok go from a weird app with only old people and furries to a rebranded, well established app. I don’t think you can really compare the two because the fyp on tiktok caters to the users preferences, but, tiktok is definitely a better designed app and allows for more variety. vine was good and is more iconic, but the app just wasn’t as good as tiktok... obviously because no one used it in the end.

[@littlelordfuckleroy3822]

this is it... this is the correct take

[@EmyN]

Kacie Dee Art People probably are going to stop using Tiktok in the future as well

[@EmyN]

Kacie Dee Art People probably are going to stop using Tiktok in the future as well

[@sweetblueice100]

“And Jason derulo. I don’t know what’s up with him lately” lmao I don’t think any of us do 💀😂

[@kaiyas9464]

Yes! However, my biggest problem with Tik tok is people who frequently “work the system” and have figured out the algorithm to the T, duets allow people to easily “steal” other people’s content. You can remove the “duet” tag and the video then counts as your own. I’ve seen countless videos of white people duetting black creators content and just nodding their head and getting more likes than the original creator. I’ve seen people literally just watch the video and “react” and remove the og creator’s @ which prevents people from being able to view and the original content easily. It sucks man. But otherwise the app is great, the variety of content is awesome, and it’s nice to have your fyp specifically designed for your interests

[@Amegha]

that is true and i agree with you but atleast you can still click on the audio and find the original video, something that you couldn't do on vine. but it is very annoying to see ppl get credit without putting in any effort

[@not_botheredd9893]

@@Amegha Tru but sometimes the audio is stolen as well so it won't take you to the original creature. Or it's named something else

[@monoculares]

ugh i hate people just reacting to stuff. like, if you are going to do that kind of stuff you have to add something my boy...

[@_Alimm]

Tiktok is low-key a cultural reset for the music industry.

[@brebytheway]

i believe this

[@girlsnightgirIsnight]

absolutely, artists are putting out songs specifically designed to go viral on tiktok now

[@011mph]

It truly is. What songs are popular now days are heavily influenced by tiktok.

[@dyllllan7024]

Ye it’s sad to see 😔😔

[@thinhnonyt]

Most songs in the top charts are tik tok viral. Album charts are just weird and probably more accurate but idk

[@asunnybooknook]

"something about the racist children today.... they're very bold!" lmfaoooooo

[@chaghetti]

I mean, vine was nothing but ad spam in the end. That’s why it died.

[@unluckycloverfield4316]

tik tok might go that way, wait for the edgy fast food accounts lol

[@TheAlmonteFilms]

9:12 ... Literally how I feel about seeing my content stolen all over Tik Tok. That depressing dread of knowing everyone's getting credit for your work and downloading it as their "original audio," getting millions of views. Vine was trash too. Had my shit stolen on there for yearssss and people didn't now I was the "I apologize for the inconvenience of not giving a fuck" meme lol. I remember how many times people got exposed on there for straight up stealing entire skits from smaller creators. Tik Tok has some funny ass people on there for sure. Funny people will exist on any platform. But for the most part, Tik Tok definitely normalizes being a biter. People will make "remixes" to your content which are literal just ripoffs and redubs and get more famous than you. Take dances without credit. And of course it's always the Black creators that get the short end of the stick being the originators of these dance challenges.

[@Theohybrid]

Utterly shocked, my dude. Didnt even know that.

[@Runeytunes]

dude that was u? dope 😎 it sucks that people steal content tho. i hate that

[@AirQuotes]

Exfuckingactly 👏

[@bestplayer43]

Dude... Idek who u r

[@1Manhunt7]

I apologize for the inconvenience of not given a fuck

[@liron5889]

vine failed because it refused to consider its content creators as partners

[@river8142]

Big OOF sounds kinda like where yt is headed

[@ShonziTho]

that's why byte is here! an IMPROVED version of vine, made by the ceo, dom hofmann join the amazing community!: byte.co

[@victhebric66]

Actually no. While that is one of the factors, the biggest reason was the parent company Twitter had so many layoffs within the company and one of those subsidiaries was Vine. There were no admins to run the app and keep up on updates so they decided to shut down the app completely.

[@Utem]

He is just spitting facts. Nostalgia do be like that

[@BVpinkninja]

Gavin is the internet’s kid, he is superior .

[@Jireninyourrecommendations]

If you find the good side of TikTok then TikTok is better than Vine

[@benesponja]

but if you find the good side of vine then vine is better. this argument depends on each person

[@littlelordfuckleroy3822]

ben but the good side of vine at the time was harder to find because the popular page wasn’t curated depending on the person like the for you page for TikTok is.

[@benesponja]

Bailey D. idk, for me it is difficult to find good content in tik tok, but my point is not that there is better content in vine, my point is that this specific argument doesn’t convince me (sorry for my english)

[@WydeZ]

Yeah

[@avastans]

facts

[@astralastrid3754]

this is the hot take ive been waiting for

[@herunalovger6969]

My issue with Tik Tok is that even though there is a ton of stuff on it other than minors trying to be attractive, the most popular stuff is hot white teenagers, which feels like a lot of oversexualization and exploitation of children. I also think it's really toxic that it provides a very real and direct way for kids to measure themselves via views/likes/followers, and while that's true of every social media platform, it's particularly true of Tik Tok because it as an app is targeted toward children, and I've seen very real mental health implications for teenagers that I know in real life. Even if there is funny content on the platform, that's just a huge glaring issue to me.

[@fur8104]

Bruh not you calling teens hot

[@shaheenshad5012]

@@fur8104 maybe op is a teen?

[@mysalsa7963]

The same thing happens with Instagram and i don't see lots of people putting TikTok and Instagram in the same bag

[@xMlleCheerry]

imo tiktok is the evolved version of vine, its like internet humor 3.0 and is even more meta and the kids on tiktok have grown up with internet content even more than us, like usually vine was way more random/absurd humor/physical comedy (which was great and new) but tiktok has all of it - it’s vine, twitter, youtube, musically, and tumblr put into one platform, which is like paradise and literal hell rolled into one lmao but like you said the algorithm leaves a little bit more of a chance for diversity and the personal stories of ppl , creative stuff, and like ~political commentary (good AND hellish) are way more of a thing than on vine and thats cool. The similarity to vine like you said as well is the « home » feeling when you get a window into someone else’s everyday life. but the racism, popularity of bad content by rich white kids, very questionable stuff is thill there too yea .. the big trends in formats that everyone does to me is sort of twitter-like, that can be both iconic and annoying but i think yeaaa its pointless to compare it to vine cause vine is outdated now and it had its time

[@sammyperliss4224]

also with tik tok not only can you find really funny videos because of the algorithm, but ive also learned a lot about history, science, culture, math, cooking and more. the whole platform just has a lot more variety and creativity.

[@SoundFieldPBS]

this is an underrated video so many good takes

[@MichaelTurner856]

I LOVE YOU GUYS

[@kikea.3929]

‘How do you get fired on your day off’ 😭😭😭

[@samsonmcharaly8536]

How could you say something so controversial, yet so brave

[@heylauren5484]

This is sooo true we only remember the good about most things

[@miche8868]

"Tik Tok is a better app run by worse people"

[@KatBaumgarten]

Nathan really out here making enemies left and right huh I mean i agree but damn

[@justcallmecaligula]

i feel like it's easier to find new users and content on tiktok? like you can just scroll for HOURS and never run out

[@heinoustentacles5719]

That sounds like quite a joyless endeavor. But very addictive

[@keven2074]

It’s weird af when instagram accounts post TikToks and don’t even credit them. Like they actual go through the effort to cut out the credits instead of just leaving it there. That’s low

[@sydturated792]

THIS!

[@heinoustentacles5719]

I mean, it's way easier to pirate crap than it used to be before the internet, so why not? Doing a little crop to take out someone's name is way easier than doing whatever sort of film bullshit you had to do when the game was pirating pre-digital movies

[@Caroline-ux1hu]

I love that Nathan supports UK artists so much! 🇬🇧From the UK

[@JoyCopenStyles20]

I stopped the video toward the end so I don't know if you mentioned it but tik tok has that same problem with leaving behind black creators and it comes from the dances. Ik the girl who made the savage dance has had her dance replayed and popularized by white people but she barely gets any credit for it

[@TheLux008]

Isn't she literally in the official lyrics video? The fuck? EDIT: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e4Dbm2WIhK6rpc0 - And people are literally talking about being proud of her being in the video.

[@fauzias6433]

vine paved the way for tiktok, and tiktok learned from vine's mistakes.

[@Acedegenerate07]

What?

[@exoticeditz8863]

its a metaphor

[@fauzias6433]

@@exoticeditz8863 No, I think it's pretty obvious. Tiktok made sure to not repeat the same mistakes that Vine did, which would eventually lead to its demise.

[@onelesshelper]

Well… for the most part

[@ngairespoon]

I'm glad you acknowledged how terrible the company that runs Tiktok is because Yikes

[@jadaabbygale4002]

That's it...thats the new app's name...Yikes☺

[@heinoustentacles5719]

Holy crap! The COMPANY!!!!!

[@martinapicci1487]

Vine will forever have a special place in my heart, a lot of its references gave birth to a ton of different phrases that are still being used today. But TikTok is an overall better app, since it’s more modified than vine, but iconic vines remain funnier to me.

[@clowncapturer6057]

Naw vine is 200000000 times better than tiktrash

[@quintenrobinson4181]

How is Tik tok better vine was funnier than Tik Tok

[@pratyushpavansaikia8161]

Vine disappeared and tiktok grew big for a reason

[@RonanJ218]

Nostalgia clouds judgement

[@adznmitch3]

I'm proud of you for admitting this. I have had to battle too many friends who cling on to the past.

[@KilalaKip3697]

I gasped when I saw this title... But I'm here to hear you out

[@xoxoizzie365]

Literally me lmaoo I said "Nathan?!"

[@rheanng1920]

I appreciate the fact that you said "here" and "hear" correctly instead of mixing them up

[@rizie7355]

He was spitting tho

[@umnia4316]

This is gonna sound cheesy as heck but something so diff from vine is that sometimes tik toks genuinely get me IN MY FEELS, like watching an old guy make his wife breakfast or a family celebrate graduation in their living room or a group of friends vibing to music in their car and like the next vid is usually something stupid and equally great like some kid falling off a trampoline or a garlic bread recipe or friggen Addison Rae but I genuinely don’t remember feeling so emotionally connected to vines back in the day

[@heinoustentacles5719]

Vines were more staged, I think

[@michalapalmer8874]

When Nathan brought up "Grind on Me" it unearthed deep seated trauma that i didnt know i had.

[@heinoustentacles5719]

Never heard of em

[@helenas7605]

Same here :D I cringed so hard. I completely forgot about it before he mentioned it

[@Matty002]

'how do you get fired on your day off' never underestimate stupidity

[@TheEllenAndersson]

Can we just appreciate the fact that Nathan always has his own opinion about things and don't just follow what everybody else thinks. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate your content and your mindset!

[@gayberooni5461]

I cant believe Nathan just straight up dropped the hottest take of the year on may. What a king

[@kaylajay951]

Can’t understand why you aren’t at 1 mill subs yet. 🥺

[@isabellanebs22]

I remember when you were on Vine, you killed it. TheThirdPew, the Vine GOAT. Grind on me was a simpler time

[@isabellanebs22]

Also MULANEY

[@ballinangel3231]

this is a very good take and also I loved your vines nathan

[@rohanshetty5059]

I feel like people go out of their way to find weird shit in TikTok, but there is more of it on it than most apps

[@thiefrules]

because it's so worldwide, whereas Vine was usually US centric

[@xcaitlinxarrisx]

Seriously don't get why you don't have millions of subscribers?? The editing is just 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

[@pinkkrystalz7610]

Even if Vine died Thomas Sanders is my all time favorite Viner (or ex-Viner) because his Vines are legitimately funny and for the most part relatable even if they're 6 seconds long.

[@maddierusso4000]

I will never get over your eloquence and ability to keep a video moving, go off Nathan

[@mateo-vp7dg]

“Rose colored glasses” Thank you for the Bojack Horseman refrences my god

[@MsOlipop123]

You post so much now it is literally the best thing ever

[@SciFiPieGuy]

Me: *sees title* "Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?"

[@4t7music37]

dude ur vids are great so glad i found ur channel

[@cshac2785]

gavin is a national treasure

[@gabrielmendez5561]

Literally my favorite youtuber at this point is this guy

[@lovelypacific]

6:32 NOO NOT JOHN MULANEY😭

[@madyyygeee7594]

NATHAN, this video is so good! Dude I swear your videos are so refreshing I love them.

[@Ashestoashesjc]

i mean, yeah, but it's kind of easy to be better than something when you're taking that thing and improving upon it. tik tok likely wouldn't exist without vine showing there was a market for short form videos. it's like saying modern bicycles are better than penny-farthings. like, yeah, i guess??

[@nabiloveee]

Your videos give me joy

[@Pernicious-exe]

Just wanted to mention that vine had a huge problem with bad content. I remember not using it as a kid cause there was vids with extreme gore or straight up live leak vids. Also there was ALOT of porn memes similar to the moaning vids but instead there would be straight porn. I don’t recall vine ever doing anything about it.

[@angelicacarrillo4223]

I gotta be honest... your voice and the way you talk is so soothing! Also you're very eloquent! Love your videos

[@spats19]

Whenever the argument comes up vine vs tik tok jmma just pull up this vid

[@al-ansarmo9198]

You make such consistently good content. You're awesome, keep it up!

[@callmek5]

to be honest only a select few of people were actually funny on vine LMFAO

[@autumnslatest9893]

I never get bored of ur videos like it kinda blows my mind I can listen to u talk for 10 minutes straight and the videos aren't structured necessarily and there arent many cut-ins or jumps or fancy editing, but i can just keep watching and ur opinions are always so agreeable. Tho i feel like ur talking from the heart, what u say is well thought-out. Been a fan since we were both 14 and awkward and I'm glad ur content is still amazing.

[@mrwaffles27]

starting a go fund me to start the app gurg

[@morallessvirtue]

Bro I can’t keep up with your consistent uploading 😫😫

[@CakesByChoppA]

I just sat here agreeing to this entire video!!!

[@ninawilliams1845]

I'm so glad I found this channel

[@niamhwelsh]

i started watching tik toks when the cringey ones trended everywhere in sept/oct 2018 and loved the ironic jokes ppl posted back then, now i've kept it eve since and am addicted

[@nicoleweir9582]

I've been watching you forever and I will watch any video you make. I especially like the commentary videos, they're always so good. You deserve more hype!

[@Alec.V.]

I dunno why but I felt so proud of myself when I recognized the Joker music when he started talking about society.

[@Galluchh]

great video. I like your outlook on the platform, you pretty much touched on all the issues I have with it while also mentioning all the things I like about it too

[@iheartsublime22]

"how do you get fired on your day off" LMAO

[@angelessanchez4395]

I just found your channel and im very happy i did! Keep it up :)

[@Flor2o]

tik tok is at its best when it is used as vine and thats on periodt.

[@joehawk15ify]

How does Nathan manage to hit the nail on the head in EVERY SINGLE video

[@raiyey4986]

Damn I’m gonna have to disagree w u on this one chief Edit: lmaooo I lied u right

[@nerdpiggy]

he really is just that persuasive

[@callmek5]

Raiye Y LMFAOO

[@raiyey4986]

nerdpiggy honestly!

[@raiyey4986]

kailcy 😭😭😭

[@rizie7355]

@@raiyey4986 he spitting fr☠

[@alara4006]

The duet function on TikTok>>>>>

[@EayuProuxm]

Black people on Vine got the shortest end of the stick possible. Yeah, that didn't change with Tiktok

[@Smoph04]

I’m living for these hot takes of yours

[@DingProductions]

4:00 bruhhh im dead

[@packnetadaija]

*Gasps* The blasphemy! I mean I enjoy me a good tik tok but vine will always have my heart

[@AtlasGuitar]

The whole Raimi trilogy is 100% a cinematic masterpiece.

[@sarahlachapelle825]

Nathan you never waste my time. Every time I watch a video of yours I consciously think "I'm glad I watched that"

[@chayla1429]

tell me why i was literally just thinking this

[@-Teague-]

Because it's your opinion

[@lemonline3719]

Same yo

[@jill-vo7ru]

You made so many good points in this video holy

[@marias-i3333]

My gf literally wrote a grad school paper on tiktok She personally doesn't like the app cuz it's constantly throwing content at you with no obvious way to stop it without exiting the app she finds it overwhelming

[@moooavila]

honestly nathan would make an amazing podcast. so funny, such a nice voice, id listen for hours 10/10 take my money

[@checkingondyn]

Instead of getting the vine app people just watched compilations on KZbin every did that when the app was still here

[@yamarm]

I LOVE YOU NATHAN THANK U FOR EXISTING

[@dubvuchyea502]

I'll never download an app where people make stupid, cringe dances and sing songs. It's cancer

[@govenormayor87]

Tik Tok’s community is an absolute cancer. Most contact is teen girls dancing to some originally good song, but it goes viral and the song becomes a cliche

[@Alyssathepayne]

This my favorite channel on KZbin! I have been a fan since day one and could watch an hour of you talk! I hope to one day have this many subs haha

[@erinmatozel9402]

I think we are all missing the important question: why is there a lemon on your bookshelf?

[@OliM9595]

"better app run by worse people" sums it up pretty well.