Starmer and Badenoch clash over grooming gang inquiry

[@TheTimes]

Should the government launch a further inquiry? Have your say in the comments 👇

[@Ibn_Abdulaziz]

Any Muslim who clings on living with the germanic tribes (germans, franks, anglosaxons, scandinavians) whom roman pagans called barbarians, will not belong to this Ummah very soon. Don't live among these if you believe in Allah ﷻ and the Last Day.

[@ibnabdulaziz3652]

Any Muslim who clings on living with the germanic tribes (germans, franks, anglosaxons, scandinavians) whom roman pagans called barbarians, will not belong to this Ummah very soon. Don't live among these if you believe in Allah ﷻ and the Last Day.

[@epicurusone6897]

I’m sorry but this has to be investigated. We cannot put misguided political correctness before the truth.

[@omarothman688]

i think what needs to be investigated is u voting for a rapist and a groomer not the actual grooming

[@JimbosFarm1]

@@omarothman688 yeah starmer is one of them

[@88conway88]

It has been investigated

[@Stallion_1044]

Why are you fools giving PR and citizenship to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis?

[@erepsekahs]

Ludicrous political correctness.

[@neddyseagoon9601]

The good folk of the Muslim Council of Great Britain aren't making very much noise just now... One wonders why...

[@RealEstateInvestments2002]

Where have the protestors gone?

[@WoundedWarrior2012]

They're just as guilty as the groomers!

[@michaelsaunders-vt4zf]

Where is the voice of UK Islamic Leaders , acknowledging what happened, a statement to the victims, understanding there is a problem, putting safeguards and education into their communities????

[@atomicranger2306]

They have nothing to apologise for. Will you be putting out a statement on all the atrocities carried out by your lot in middle east? Will you apologise for the Nazis? Would you take responsibility for something which has nothing to do with you?

[@Cosmic-lover293]

Yes, exactly nothing from them denouncing those animals in their communities. What does that tell us!

[@deenuk125]

I mean they have you just are surrounded by right wing bs that wouldn't highlight it

[@atomicranger2306]

​@Cosmic-lover293 That one shouldn't apologise for the actions of another. Simple logic really. Hard for basic minded people such as yourself to understand I see. By your logic, you should have to answer for a lot.

[@macoronicheez]

The book allows this, thats why they say nothing

[@wolveshat854]

Where can children go when the majority of agencies are complicit. Where? And don't even mention childline

[@Stallion_1044]

Why are you fools giving PR and citizenship to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis?

[@wolveshat854]

@Stallion_1044 coz they have to swear allegiance to the king , to become a citizen...kings subjects

[@Em45567]

The tories have been in power longer than labour have, yet the tories did NOTHING. These grooming gangs still happened whilst they were STILL in government. They HAD a chance to deal with it and to stop it but they DIDNT. And as for starmer, I can’t really say much as he’s hardly been a year in government. But starmer NEEDS to do something about it and actually take action!!!!

[@VonnegutsGhost]

Starmer was the head of prosecutions under Gordon Brown when this was at its early stages - he’s very much involved.

[@Em45567]

@@VonnegutsGhost he literally explained in the video. Watch

[@hissingsidll750]

Don't give me that buIlshlt....THEY WERE ALL LABOUR COUNCILS.

[@sosinati3358]

Labour does nothing but go to war and raise taxes.

[@Em45567]

@@hissingsidll750 F off, tories were GOVERNMENT!!! They still had a choice to do something and they DIDNT. What is not clicking? He had the highest record of prosecutions against grooming gangs AND changed the CPS to protect victims in the near future

[@ronelle8066]

Starmer! You are now just as guilty as the gangs. I hope you land with them in jail so you can feel what those children go through.....what an embarrassment you are to the UK

[@gherkamum]

Has Starmer Something To Hide.?

[@erepsekahs]

Of course.

[@BoltonMaverickoutdoors]

@@gherkamum kzbin.infoFJn7m4vwWds?si=_pDtzLR8D9_4_1aj

[@comparecards5688]

Ofcourse the vote

[@smarcier2719]

Can't stand either of them. But Badenoch trying to claim moral ground after years of silence in a Tory government that did nothing makes me spew

[@Nicho2020]

Well said!

[@Stallion_1044]

Why are you fools giving PR and citizenship to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis?

[@speakitout3447]

what re you expecting, the price of all these comedies, re innocent children, britain has lost its culture, plain and simple

[@paulburns1333]

Ye, it stinks, as complicit as Labour in the degradation of Britain.

[@idongisaac8258]

Should she then keep quiet forever, and allow things to continue the way they are?

[@mrlegkick91]

Child abuse apologists

[@dreamclaw00]

WTF did the Tories do for over 14 YEARS? Loathe both parties but this is grade A hypocrisy.

[@abutorab1004]

Yeh the full extent of grooming in the uk.. They will find out that most nearly all grooming gangs are white men. Btw need this enquiry to see the the true demographic per population of these grooming gangs.

[@mrlegkick91]

@dreamclaw00 I'm talking about the entire building. Why are you so interested in deflecting on this? Are you a child grape sympathiser? Your priorities are extremely suspicious

[@mrlegkick91]

​@@dreamclaw00 I'm talking about the entire building. Both sides.

[@heliotropezzz333]

Not at all. Labour is implementing the recommendations of the previous enquiry that the Tories ignored for years while they were in office. They now pretend to care. Lol.

[@Jigyasu0007]

He is saving his muslim friends......

[@comparecards5688]

Saving those Liebour votes

[@trevski9265]

They are all complicit. Never needed never wanted betrayed since 1945

[@davidsmith5523]

Was the formation of the NHS after the war a betrayal?

[@heliotropezzz333]

Rubbish,

[@wolveshat854]

Yes!

[@Stallion_1044]

@@heliotropezzz333 Why are you fools giving PR and citizenship to Pakistanis and Bangladeshis?

[@artfasil]

true

[@WallE-p1f]

Bad enoch still calling for an inquiry when the last one under their watch took 7 years and cost 200m for them to do nothing. Spend the money on supporting victims and prosecuting perpetrators

[@BoltonMaverickoutdoors]

That enquiery was a white wash

[@davidsmith5523]

​@BoltonMaverickoutdoors what are the reccomendatiobs from it?

[@FlashSlothmore1]

@@BoltonMaverickoutdoors how so? undertaken by independent experts who are now calling for action on behalf of the victims not another inquiry, i will trust their opinion

[@Farzocalypse21]

@@FlashSlothmore1 Exactly, the idea that we should throw out our legal and judicial system every time Elon Musk tweets something unresearched is offensive to our democracy

[@AB-zv6dz]

I doubt you even know the name of this inquiry that supposedly took 7 years and cost 200m. Imaging coming to the comments on YT and arguing against giving victims an inquiry. The mind of a lefty

[@diceman199]

People seem to have forgotten this happened under the tories, they could have sorted out inquiries etc and now they attack labour for not doing the same things they didn't do. Hypocrites?

[@mrlegkick91]

Ok so the conservatives are also useless. Now what? Are you a child abuse sympathiser? Why are you defecting?

[@dreamclaw00]

So true, these right wing racists are so fake.

[@frankali5203]

Spot on 👍

[@user-px9fd6ub1h]

And it happened under labour as well this has been going on for over 3 decades

[@kippas2012]

Yes happened mainly in the early 2000s well peaked and that was under labour, also in mainly labour run constituencies

[@robharris8844U]

Both are needed - implementation of the already put forward guidelines but, also A NATIONAL lNQUIRY as MPs and councillors maybe guilty across the country.

[@elias.knotman]

That the matter of the violation of children is not sonething two parties can agree on surely indicates that something is very wrong. If the state cannot guarantee the safety of children, it is illegitimate.

[@jewellive2819]

Exactly what I thought

[@djtdjt8921]

Fing clown show! Both sides playing for the same team! You want to talk about proper opposition?! Ok, let’s talk opposition! Why is Thames water spending MILLIONS of £ on KZbin ads? Why is TFL spending MILLIONS on KZbin ads?! Oh right, no matter tories or wigs, same bulls*t happening..

[@ivanidlehand9651]

The wealthy only want to remain wealthy by investing in what brings in the most return. Health, safety, families and common sense be damned in the elites eyes. Welcome to 2025, the first year realized dystopia in high tech and low life.

[@PeteH0121]

Here's something which COULD be put into place swiftly IF the will was there and that is to immediately cancel the UK passports for ANY foreigner who is found guilty of crimes of this magnitude where they have dual nationality. Will they do it - of course not. They will just drone on about the hurdles in the way. In my mind there are NO hurdles which should stop such an action taking place.

[@gwendatrafford5794]

A cultural shift is required ...not those who think their culture determines what they can do to others. Leadership is needed to enforce laws to protect victims

[@Cosmic-lover293]

How can they stand up there and argue about whise fault it is....grow up. Both parties are complicit, starting with labour!!! These are real lives talked about here. No need for oneupmanship in the house. Thats disgusting! Get on and do your jobs the lot of you, you get paid well for. Get all those involved in this huge cover up taken to task and prosecuted. I fear the rot runs very deep in this regard.

[@TheReferrer72]

No it happened under the Tories watch.

[@tinytim6637]

No this started under Gordon Brown, then continued under conservatives. They are all complicit

[@tinytim6637]

lol KZbin deleting comments again. This started under labour and continued since then. All are responsible

[@hissingsidll750]

​@@TheReferrer72THEY WERE ALL LABOUR COUNCILS YOU DIMWlT

[@bieituns]

Two frauds deflecting and virtue signalling when both are complicit

[@dreamclaw00]

Loathe them both, but it was the Tories who did nothing for 14 years...

[@tshepophefadu2481]

Why didn't the Tories implement the recommendations of the Jay enquiry? And why are they bringing it up as a political gotcha moment at the expense of the poor victims who are certainly not central to their malevolent agenda. Shameful.

[@formxshape]

Both parties need to stand and apologise to the British public for ignoring this, allowing Muslims into our lands, and for turning a blind eye to these horrific crimes. Then they should both say they are stepping down, that they apologise for calling the general population far right, and that they will step aside to allow reform to take control and do the job they are too incompetent to do.

[@supersmileyclub544]

I agree with lots of that however it's not incompetent, it's by design.

[@paul66990]

Everyone studiously ignoring the elephant in the room.

[@dreamclaw00]

That the right wing/Tories are exploiting survivors of sexual exploitation? Yeah, they're all scum.

[@MasterG-Official]

WE DO NOT KNOW THE FULL EXTENT OF THIS ACTIVITY, WE NEED TO KNOW.

[@joshyc2006]

Governments always blame the ones before, absolutely the Tories did nothing about the gangs and immigration, however someone needs to take accountability. People voted labour desperate for change, and it's even worse than I could have thought. We need a leader. Someone to stand up and say "I am here to protect the citizens of my country". I'd love to get them in a room and ask them all, individually, how many child rpes and stabbings would they trade each year for "diversity"?

[@erim9175]

Voting Labour is worse than voting Conservative. Even if one did not like the Conservative voting Labour is just much more if a self inflicted wound. Sometimes it has to get worse before it gets better. Will the public learn? I wont hold my breath.

[@pablosilva-rq3xw]

Be a leader not a lawyers..i love this girl

[@mickshawforty]

Starmer is covering something up. Again.

[@lukemurray4950]

He is covering up the fact that him and his party tried covering this up because they considered these girls and those who spoke up for them racist and Isalmophobic.

[@TheReferrer72]

Probably your mum.

[@mickshawforty]

@TheReferrer72 wow. You're funny aren't you.

[@jaccusefashion]

No he isnt he hasnt even been in Government a year ffs.

[@niblick616]

Like what? You didn't say, boris!

[@femmylyn2004]

I doubt it if any African President could be subjected to this type of interrogation or scrutiny

[@jamestaggart2663]

I have a question for the Conservatives... You were just in power for the last 14yrs. Why are you only bringing this up now? Why didn't YOU do something about it?

[@frankali5203]

Well said Because of Elon

[@hissingsidll750]

ALL LABOUR COUNCILS

[@jamestaggart2663]

​@@hissingsidll750 So you think the sitting government has no power over certain areas if the council is controlled by the opposition party? Ok, cool. Except for this important bit of info: "The legal power for the Government to intervene in the running of a local authority is broad and flexible" - commonslibrary.parliament.uk

[@dominicbuckley8309]

@@hissingsidll750 While is true that the incidents took place in mostly urban areas, which _tend_ to be Labour voting, Bristol Council was actually led by the Greens, Oxfordshire by the Lib Dems and Warwickshire by the Tories.

[@jamestaggart2663]

@@dominicbuckley8309 Plus there was nothing stopping the Government from intervening if they thought strong enough about it.

[@artyinn1215]

Starmer should be in prison.

[@Lonsome1223]

What we want is those responsible for this cover up to face justice.

[@dreamclaw00]

No what we want is ACTION not more Tory LIES.

[@AbigailBrown-wk7xl]

Cover up . We want a national inquiry

[@niblick616]

And kick it into the long grass for another seven years? Are you really that stupid, boris? Why, yes, you are!

[@christinac127]

There has already been a 7 year inquiry upon which the Tories did not act. Why don't you want it acted upon? Why do you want to delay for another? Didn't you like the findings? Do you even know the findings? Or do you just not care?

[@ukscooby653]

We don't need ANOTHER inquiry, we need criminal investigations. I think that people are getting confused because of the Musk comments

[@coralgilmour8933]

Yet again Kier lets start with you, you ,you,

[@AbiBrown-q9k]

I would like to know if these young girls were the politicians children. I am sure they would have done something by now, by not doing anything means they are in the criminal's side

[@adam_crouch5217]

vote reform its simple

[@DavidSims-x7w]

This man is a liar

[@nickysixx2480]

Labour protecting their Muslim voters

[@jamestaggart2663]

Oops, looks like youre forgetting that it was the TORIES who were just in power the last 14yrs. How comes the Tories were quiet about it for the last 14yrs? Uh oh, that ruined your childish rhetoric didn't it.

[@EzziiG]

Why didn't the tories do something? Did you have a brain fart, the tories were in charge at the time of the grooming gang scandal😂😂 lol

[@British19]

Talk is cheap.

[@Ann-qf5vk]

Absolutely

[@bigbarry8343]

who is seating on the left of Kemi? Looks familiar from some early 2020 video conference.

[@SomewhereinLokhandwala]

Is she talking about that peaceful community?

[@Acesinz]

You need to convert to islam

[@Eternalvoiceovers]

What about the cultural/religious factor that is associated with the perpetrators of the crime? Labour didnt even touch on that factor in their initial response. They, the perpetrators, are almost all belonging to the same cultural/religious ideology - dare i sla m what religion/culture that is. Surely, we as a nation should have that discussion, publically, without fear of offence, due to the actual reality of the perpetrators background, in order to understand what correlations are causes of the crime.

[@Rob_Kankerboef]

How's it possible that neither torries nor labour wants this investigated? both had plenty of opportunity and nothing has happened

[@frankali5203]

Don't insult the British publics intelligence this happened under the Tories End of

[@mrlegkick91]

In labour areas. Why does that matter anyway? Do you want to get to the bottom of this or cry about the conservatives?

[@hissingsidll750]

THEY WERE ALL LABOUR COUNCILS YOU DIMWlT

[@ukscooby653]

We don't need ANOTHER inquiry, we need criminal investigations. I think that people are getting confused because of the Musk comments

[@AS4KS12]

Starmer will be packing his bags shortly :D

[@suzyt9911]

What I find shocking is Starmer has ordered his party to vote against a public enquiry he is working very hard to protect the Asian grooming gangs

[@bradbrad3937]

To be honest I just don’t get it .. any normal person would go all out to get justice at the time and I can only think there’s more to it .. why wouldn’t anyone want a full enquiry .. these are not normal healthy people in charge

[@ukscooby653]

We don't need ANOTHER inquiry, we need criminal investigations. I think people are getting confused because of the Musk comments

[@BoltonMaverickoutdoors]

Labour running scared half of their councilors are involved

[@nanunanu8745]

Correct 👆

[@niblick616]

Why can you never prove anything you claims is true, boris?

[@dreamclaw00]

Evidence? Thought not.

[@BoltonMaverickoutdoors]

@dreamclaw00 wait and see

[@BoltonMaverickoutdoors]

@niblick616 wait and see

[@BoltonMaverickoutdoors]

Protecting your muslim vote we can all see it

[@niblick616]

You are lying again, boris! But that is your job for Musk and putin, isn't it?

[@chrismcloving3015]

Sounds like pm is protecting his friends

[@davidsmith5523]

What are the reccomendations from the report that he plans to implement?

[@niblick616]

Hi boris. Your russian jokes are getting worse!

[@mrdemocracy7106]

Labour Numpties don't want to upset their core Muslim Voters

[@sqrd3536]

Can they ask the victims and serve the wishes of the victims instead of scoring political points.

[@Stu_Pidasso]

Whoever said no is just as disgusting as the grooming gangs and shouldn’t be there

[@philipj94849]

Starmer need to resign and be held accountable for being complicit to the grooming gangs during his career.

[@danilodelrosario6448]

Praying for cultural and spiritual Revival in the UK and Ireland

[@bradbrad3937]

Ahh but that’s where they are wrong IT IS ABOUT HIM , what will they find out .. imagine if our leader was found complicit in an enquiry

[@ericcoates6511]

Starmer and other Labour mps swept it under the carpet

[@lukemurray4950]

They called these girls racist and Isalmophobic. We need anti white hate crime legislation because currently hate crimes can only be against protected groups and white people is not one.

[@TheReferrer72]

It happened under the Tories watch, not Labours.

[@Em45567]

It happened under Tory watch. Not defending starmer, but the tories had 20 years to sort it and take action, but they didn’t

[@denisemartin-laurie3991]

All parties have to take responsibility for there children.

[@jamestaggart2663]

I guess you have short term memory... The Tories have been in power for the last 14yrs.

[@coralgilmour8933]

Enquiry, enquiry, how about ACTION speaks louder, prosecutions deportation etc, it is STILL going on now, 😢

[@erepsekahs]

There is no such a thing as racism. There is every such a thing as culturalism - and so there should be. So forget racism and name the perpetrators and their culture,,,NOT their race, and if the two coincide then so be it. Just wake up....PLEASE.

[@ukscooby653]

No no no, not another inquiry. We need criminal investigation, not people talking about doing something. The Tories had over a decade to investigate this and did nothing but talk and inquiries.

[@rossturner8581]

Funny how all this happened in Labour constituencies

[@dominicbuckley8309]

Bristol council led by Greens, Oxfordshire by the Lib Dems and Warwickshire by the Tories. Nobody comes out of this 'smelling of roses'.

[@EzziiG]

What did the tories do during this whole grooming gang issue? Lets not forget the tories were in charge whilst this was ongoing.

[@marcbaigrie2295]

They probably took part in

[@marcbaigrie2295]

They probably took part in it

[@lyndseyjones1208]

instead of arguing about it! just do something about it! problem solved!.. I think i should be prime minister haha

[@TheWelderandrew]

Then a private public enquiry should be held by the tax payers who own the uk… Especially if the people who run the country won’t !!!

[@denisemartin-laurie3991]

The problems bigger that the last inquiry,

[@bbcisrubbish]

Question? ? Is there no action over this scandal because some of the people involved may be exposed?

[@chriskautz3245]

Starmer clearly has something to hide . If he hasn't then why so against it

[@VW777]

Starmer is the weakest leader the country has ever had. We will never vote Labour again, get them out! Yes, there should be a national enquiry this should be the focus. The Schools Bill is flawed, and needs to be removed.

[@samuelhabaasa555]

This country is decaying totally

[@julienmars8353]

In jail

[@willhemmings]

What a childish spectacle

[@netty8960]

Crimes have been committed, we don’t need more discussions we need criminal convictions, deportations and departments investigated for multiple failures and that lolling great tool needs to stop using his dead brother to garner sympathy.

[@Messenger2024-t6o]

He opened full night court to tackle the right right people protest,,if he can he can but he doesn’t want to do

[@gherkamum]

Cover Up by Labour...

[@niblick616]

Russian bot alert.

[@dominicbuckley8309]

Tories were in power when this occurred.

[@rorogexceluk9530]

He promised to help the WASPI women & he did NOT Despite the concluded report from the O

[@user-iy9uh6qg1b]

The UK Muslim country off already now

[@marcalfredo9826]

Now that he's in hot water he decides to Act? He did nothing in the past many have come forward to complain about him this guy's is a typical fox in sheep's clothing and has to be removed

[@lw1zfog]

2TK sounding increasingly like he get’s a bit tetchy when it comes to defending the indefensible. As a ‘human rights lawyer’, surely he realises that the bill contravenes the Article 8 of The Human Rights Act ?

[@darrenhopkins6829]

Starmer is directly involved in the cover up so he's debating for his life.

[@niblick616]

Russian bot alert.

[@dreamclaw00]

Evidence?

[@bieituns]

Yes, conflict of interest

[@ukscooby653]

RUBBISH! We don't need ANOTHER inquiry, we need criminal investigations. I think that people are getting confused because of the Musk comments. ... And why didn't he speak up over the last 14 years? ...oh yeah, I know the answer to that... It is because there was a Tory party in power then. Blame the Tories for doing nothing!

[@ady9830]

Lol, well they ain't gonna clash on policy, especially foreign policy.

[@dreamclaw00]

LOL so true!

[@ironedgeofficial]

Badenoch will make a better prime minister in the UK.

[@lw1zfog]

ex Labour MP for Brighton & Tony bLiar’s defence Secretary Ivor Caplin just got itself in a bit of bother.

[@ReiGunn]

What we need are more laws... because what those monsters did was completely legal... oh, hang on.

[@BRUCETANWAR-d8r]

I could have never imagined that this kind of news will come from britain. Usaully these news come from third world countrys like india,pakistan,and bangladesh

[@kingkopo]

they are the same team dont listen to this tripe

[@bieituns]

Yes all a distraction. Punch and Judy show pantomime

[@celtphoto]

As ever, hypocritical tories.

[@DS-fk7ed]

Hypocritical Tories and malign Labour. They are two sides of the same rotten coin.

[@jamesfox6736]

As ever, authoritarian, toxic Labour

[@adamkennedy7297]

Hypocritical Tories? Labour complaining about a child protection bill but won't open an investigation into the grooming gangs? You're also a hypocrite

[@Rsses-s7n]

Thanks Kemi Badenoch to reminders this pm is just covering up

[@ukscooby653]

We don't need ANOTHER inquiry, we need criminal investigations. I think that people are getting confused because of the Musk comments. (and Badenock did nothing at all about it then, she's only interested in having Musk on her side for party donations)

[@grobbler1]

The fact that Badenoch was a Johnson appointee shows the level she operates at.

[@stephen3324]

Yes. But they wont. Who do you think were these gangs best customers?

[@ikechukwunwaeze2205]

Is Musk going after Starmer on behalf of Bibi..?

[@1875ask]

Both parties are culprits..... Better start acting or taking actions.....

[@KathyHaggitt]

What is the point of the comments if your not allowed to tell the truth

[@dreamclaw00]

Depends on weather its the truth or more Torie/right wing lies.

[@niblick616]

But you russian bots are not here to tell the truth, are you, boris?

[@mrlegkick91]

To give the illusion of an actual discussion whilst auto deleting anything that goes against the establishment narrative

[@CountryWilly]

Starmer doesn’t care about any vulnerable he takes away the heating allowance he is so full of BS

[@TheBrandEquity]

This oddly reminds me of season 4 TV series Line of Duty. Lies, manipulation and no closure.

[@shahslondonvlogs]

Is she don't have anything better to speak...cost of living, congestion, jobs, housing, etc

[@EL-13]

shocking that a criminal is speaking for the people in parliament 😢

[@niblick616]

Who are you talking about, boris? You don't seem to know!

[@stut9150]

And Mr Starmer, what was Sarah Sharifs abusers ethnic and religious background?

[@niblick616]

So all white people are guilty because a white man commits a crime? Are you really that stupid, boris?

[@dreamclaw00]

Pakistani. Unlike the majority of organized and opportunist child sexual abusers. Maybe the white people in this country should take responsibility for that and stop projecting their racism all over the place. A lack of context, facts and racism won't solve a thing.

[@VW777]

And what about Baby P, Daniel Pelka, Lucy Letby? Most abusers are white. Let's be honest, instead of racist.

[@Goat.Herder]

Reform UK 👍

[@davidkeogh1570]

Kimi who cares so much about those subject to sexual violence that she has never met one victim,did nithing when she was the childrens minister,did nothing in all her time in government,what a hypocrite,musk , genrick,farage etc,all of them are playing politics with this issue.,acceoting recommendations but not inacting any of them is doing nothing .

[@Jupiterloobncj]

Why they are so scared of an inquiry? So that their barbars can go on acting like human?

[@ukscooby653]

We don't need ANOTHER inquiry, we need criminal investigations. I think that people are getting confused because of the Musk comments

[@markguttridge4972]

pantomime. these clowns pretend to be opposed but implement the same policies.