The banned TMNT adventures - TMNT comics

[@TheTurtleNexus]

Thanks for watching! How would you work around these issues in reprints? Or do you think the story could be reprinted without problems now?

[@scottbelcher451]

Reprint with no changes and those who are offended by them just dont buy them and get over it.

[@buckycharms5393]

You made me wanna read the Archie comics now

[@pinkfoxboi1331]

I think if they did their research and reached out to community to fill in the blanks they could write new better story's not only with these locals but others as well. If oda of one piece can do it anyone can.

[@jadedheartsz]

The Dalai Llama has actually come under fire in recent years, especially after Penn and Teller mentioned in their Bullshit episode "Holier then Thou" that he actually did some awful shit himself and was little bitter then the Chinese authorities he hated, he basically ran a third-world theocracy and got partial funding from the CIA and his hatred of China stemmed more from him losing access to his slave girls rather then out of any genuine desire for peace. So I think they could probably be reprinted now with minimal controversy.

[@ShinSeikiEvan]

I lived in Japan for a little while and I can say with some certainty that nobody there would care about Shinto gods being depicted in a comic book. They depict Shinto and Buddhist gods in their own manga and anime all the time. The only thing the Japanese get weird about is how their emperor is depicted. And I think with the Hiroshima thing, as long as the bombing wasn't glorified and the Japanese were shown as sympathetic victims, they'd be fine with it. I don't know what they'd think of Tattoo. As far as I know, real sumos aren't supposed to have tattoos. Only yakuza gangs have them. But I doubt they'd get offended, just eyeroll at the silliness.

[@Karlos1234ify]

“I brought back some takeout, so like, let's get down and pig out!” 🍕

[@kinglycrimson]

It's shredder!

[@sidamonroll7583]

WHERE

[@ShadowV.2.0_Celtic]

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[@justins7060]

Interesting video. This highlights a big reason why I collect original comics/material rather than reprints.

[@TheBechtloff]

The whole point of collections and omnibuses is to preserve the history of a franchise. Leaving out issues because they offend modern sensibilities defeats that purpose.

[@Russkafin]

Thank you for making this video. I recently purchased the kindle versions of all of the TMNT Adventures collections and I was wondering why those issues were excluded. What I found out from googling it was all rather vague. Thanks Turtle Nexus!!

[@ragingrat7670]

Censorship of kind is wrong. I'm so sick and tired of people making excuses for it.

[@elijahduperrier1856]

Donnie is always getting the short end of the stick in the archie comics and just the whole Turtle multiverse

[@owenslaughter9438]

The Adventure series in my opinion is some of the best Turtle's story telling out there. I get the problems with reprinting them, but at the same time there's that little part of me that says screw it, put it back out there. These stories were so fun.

[@BenDaresAll]

Loved the Katmandu two parter. I didn't realize Charlie Llama was the cause of the cancelation.

[@GrnArrow092]

This is why I'm collecting the individual issues. I saw the TMNT Adventures reprints at a comic shop I visited a few days ago and decided to pass on them since I'm collecting the issues. At least I won't be bothered by modern day censorship and can get the complete series.

[@TruKriegsaffeNo9]

I remember being a little kid and reading the Charlie Llama issue and not getting the real life stuff--or being aware it was real-life-inspired, but not knowing exactly what it was... "discussing," let's say. In my memory the art was photo-realistic and the story being slightly grounded in the real world (however incorrectly) made it feel like blending reality with pretend in a way that stuck in my mind. The sheer strangeness of seeing the Turtles interact with things like rebirth and religion (even one I didn't understand) is, in hindsight, a big influence on my own artistic output. ...but yeah, these stories are deeply cringe-inducing in the "oh, he was trying, but he definitely could've stood to try harder..." sense. I tried reading the collections a while back and had to tap out after one too many things made me go "oh boy, this was the exact wrong thing to do." Like, I'm glad he tried, but I feel the writer's attempts at multi-culturalism aged reeeal bad.

[@jadedheartsz]

yeah it reminds me of that Hanna Barbera show Rickety-Rocket, I know HB were trying for more black representation but damn that show has not aged well at all, there's a reason why the Plastic Man cartoon series was put on DVD separately with none of the RR segments(which it originally aired alongside).

[@WTSD850]

you know chen and the dog stars gang were brought back in a recent untold destiny of the foot clan miniseries, where they're the main antagonists, as a splinter cell of the foot clan, maybe they could retell these banned adventures in a less controversial way in the various new comics

[@TheTurtleNexus]

Yes, they have been bringing many of the more obscure Archie characters lately, since Armageddon game. I am pretty sure these issues will be reprinted in the upcoming omnibuses. The danger has passed, I think.

[@F13fan]

Glad I still have my original issues. I understand why they excluded them upon your explanation. But I’d hate to buy a book thinking I’m getting a complete compilation of all issues and be missing all that. I like the character Hot Head and liked getting the issues with him in it since unfortunately he never appeared in the toon. So sucks you wouldn’t have that appearance. And Tattoos toy was cool and I definitely liked his story in the comics better than the toon(big disappointment). So sucks you’d be missing him completely. And Katmandu was a cool new character & the bird guy. I like your suggestions on fixing some of the stuff so they could still be reprinted

[@TronViper]

In my opinion there is a different matter here entirely, the Turtles and crew should not even be written into these kinds of stories. Dealing with Muslim and Chinese religious/political figures has absolutely nothing to do Turtle lore. It's honestly kind of a headscratcher. I know the Archie books went to some strange places, weirder even than the Mirage books at times but this just doesn't make any sense. Let's keep the TMNT a little more grounded. Hopping dimensions and fighting alien brain creatures in armored ninja suits is one thing, but they don't need to trek through the hills of Tibet on a religious pilgrimage. There are plenty of issues and episodes where the Turtles are meditating with Splinter and other Japanese culture elements have been sprinkled in. We don't need a TMNT comic book to poorly attempt to educate us on Asian and Middle Eastern religions and politics. It's not only in poor taste but bad form as well.

[@noodle3384]

Thanks that was a great watch. i never see these issues in back issue bins

[@Don_life313]

Every time the beat drop was a club banger

[@starscream512]

The page regarding Splinter’s history of Islam can be edited and corrected making it less offensive. The bigger issue is China. That is what people in the comments do not seem to understand. It has nothing to do with “snowflakes” or “SJWs” trying to control what are exposed to it is about offending China.

[@BWSStudios]

I’d honestly prefer just printing it as is and adding an advisory message along with an explanation before it. I despise the idea of acting like things don’t exist or changing them due to there political incorrectness no matter what race, sex, gender, creed, etc. I think it’s just as harmful to pretend these mistakes were never made. I’d prefer we issue statements explaining how things may be wrong, and leave the content alone, bc acting like it never happened is as good as condoning it and taking away its historic value. That’s just my opinion though. But we don’t talk about Turtles for politics, we talk about turtles because we love these green dudes who carry ninja weapons so yk, Turtle Power!!!

[@starscream512]

@@BWSStudios you’ve missed the point. The real problem is Chinese censorship and not about an inaccurate and culturally insensitive depiction of a religion in a children’s comic book.

[@BWSStudios]

@@starscream512 I didnt, I hadn’t gotten to that part of the video yet when I made the comment. Apologies for any misunderstanding

[@DrDreLite]

I have every single issue from #27 - #41 or #42, all purchased when they were released. I remember seeing a comment in the back of one issue (the fan mail section) where a mother had a problem with the issue “The Karma of Katmandu”, explaining how she was no longer allowing her children to buy any more TMNT comics! I was around 12 years old at the time, not really understanding why, the shock came from the distinct tone of the letter itself compared to the usual compliments and comments you would find in that section.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

That happened all the time in those letter pages. People (mostly parents) were shocked by things like meditation and the existence of other religions. Goes to show that some parents couldn't tell the difference between religion and education.

[@DrDreLite]

It would have better if those parents could have seen them through the eyes of their children who read them. Like me, they probably didn’t understand where the controversy was, so it would have been better for their parents to teach them the differences between real life and the comics instead of trying to launch their own boycott campaigns. Too bad things have only gotten worse☹️

[@Russkafin]

PS - I just bought issue 35 on eBay because of this video. Such an odd little piece of Turtle history, I just had to have it in my collection.

[@suemeade2471]

All of that was bullshit.

[@ShinSeikiEvan]

So the missing issues are 32-37?

[@TheTurtleNexus]

Yes.

[@AlphaProto]

As a kid I was not a fan of all the religious material, or the Raphael and Ninjara romance. I just wanted to see the turtles fight mutant villains. In the end, I kind of prefer the issues not getting reprinted over being altered. Back issues are still available for those who want to read the stories.

[@jeremyriley1238]

I have to agree, as altering the issues is never a good idea, especially since censorship is another way of saying prejudice, religion and real-world tragedies never existed, which is a dangerous message, as things like Hiroshima and the crimes committed in the name of religion should never be forgotten (even though I find is ironic that Archie Comics, a company that at the time made family-friendly comics, would even mention the Hiroshima bombing).

[@lucasgibbs4050]

I asked Kevin Eastman on Facebook one day that maybe these issues could be remade in a less controversial way.

[@camerondalton1495]

What did he say?

[@lucasgibbs4050]

@@camerondalton1495 he didn’t say anything, yet.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

I think it is possible for them to reprint them. It's been a while since Charlie Hebdo and they are planning on releasing Omnibuses. However, the Mang-Thrasha character could be problematic. In the past DC cancelled reprints of golden age stories because of characters like him. So we'll have to wait and see what they do.

[@lucasgibbs4050]

@@TheTurtleNexus I’m not sure if the Omnibuses would have the banned issues.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

@@lucasgibbs4050 I think that having omnibuses without these issues would be pointless. But maybe they can at least include the sumo and the intergalactic wrestling episodes.

[@osvaldo701]

Was any of that offensive?

[@TheTurtleNexus]

It can be. But the word I would use is "sensitive."

[@TruckSawdust]

Luckily I own Dutch translations of some of these issues. Any censorship is proof that bullying works; the fear that an unassuming comic featuring mutant turtles will cause an international incident or lose people money should not even be on anyone's mind. As for the second wrestling issue; is it because of Cryin' Houn' is faking being Mexican? It's ridiculous, but not more than what you discussed in the video.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

As a Latino myself, I don't think Cryin' Houn' is an offensive stereotype. He is just a parody of Lucha Libre, and no one seemed to have a problem with the previous Intergalactic Wrestling issues (in fact, they are fan-favorites).

[@marcusyates3044]

​@@TheTurtleNexusWhat if... The Turtles had a +5 preschool series?

[@lucasgibbs4050]

Charlie Llama Story: Change the dialogue, The villains won’t be the Chinese Government, The main villain will be a shapeshifter who wants the Llama’s power of reincarnation to be evil enough to rule the world in the next life. Islam Story: Make more accurate, erase Muhammad. In general: Put in a freaking disclaimer.

[@aurahoneydew9607]

A trigger warning. Booo! 🍅 Thats some Disney+ nonsense.

[@elijahduperrier1856]

My name is Stump D Again and i will be king of the pirates

[@lucasgibbs4050]

Katmandu sounds like Catman do.

[@JuanGomez-ke5py]

It's what the style at the time

[@MegaMan87]

People are Snowflakes Nowadays to those "Controversial" Chapters. That i don't mind about any of them. Yet i know there are Inaccuracies, But what the whole matter is that its all Fiction and Shouldn't be taken Seriously and they where Important Story Plot Points in this such as the Relationship of Raphjara. It was like there Own Jojo's Bizarre Adventure has they did actually Traveled Cross Country in the Stardust Crusaders Arc!

[@jeremyriley1238]

I agree. IDW could have actually added a warning about how the comics were products of their time and had historical inaccuracies (and even remove the image of Mohammad since nowadays if they felt they could get threats for it). But I have to agree with people that China is the main problem (especially since companies in the U.S. rely on doing business with the country).

[@HEMPHILL23]

Religion is dumb.