What Do You Think The Ram Trucks Cummins Recall Was For? We Tell You What We Found Was Done To Them

Update on what Cummins Diesel Actually changed during the latest 2-billion-dollar emissions recall of Ram Trucks. Everyone wants to know what it updated to fix the emissions defeat that was claimed. What are your thoughts? Was it just a way to get Ram Cummins Diesel owners in to see if their trucks were deleted? Is it a real fix that was needed? Our Under The Hood radio show is listened to by over half a million people a week on radio, podcast and available on you tube ‪@UnderTheHoodShow‬
We gathered our information from dozens of actual Ram owners who checked several functions of their trucks from Fuel mileage to towing to 1/4-mile times and DEF usage both before and after the recall was done and also drivers who tried to reprogram their trucks after the recall was done. Fuel mileage and Def usage was based on actual gallons put into the tanks, NOT using the gauge and miles to calculate fuel and Def usage.
Leave us a comment on what your opinion is of what their real motives are?

[@dennisethridge560]

We need a class action lawsuit against the government, Cummins, and Ram.

[@bradsunday]

My dealer mechanic told me it is a way to force people in to find out who has deleted trucks.

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[@donsharver2975]

Guys had mine done without knowing about this cummins deal. Truck went from getting very close to 18 unloaded now 15, towing my 38 foot fifth wheel 12 to 12.8 and now its at 8 mpg with loss of power. I am going through def every 250 gallons im losing 2.5 gallons of def. People saying nothing was compromised have know idea what they are talking about. I am a master certified ASE tech for 25 years and own my own shop. Dont take your truck in.

[@kenadams3385]

I'm not buying it. Why would Cummins risk $1.6B for a DEF gauge calibration? There's a lot more to this story. I think you're on to something with this "Whose deleted" thing. I also worry about other things; like ERG. Supposedly, the 13-18 trucks don't require EGR maintenance, which is very expensive. Will this recall change that? I have the stock tune in my truck. The only thing I deleted was the grid heater. There is no way I will ever take my truck back to a dealership until SOMEBODY, be it Ram, Cummins or the EPA, is more transparent about what this recall does and the long-term effects of it. I own my truck outright. It's paid for and I hold the title. I also fund the EPA with my tax dollars. They owe me a more detailed explanation.

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

You may own it but that doesn't mean you can run it on the roads.

[@mbarber84]

It’s a NOx sensor calibration, nothing more. The 2019 trucks were already flashed as part of the VB6 recall released back in August of 2020. The 2020 and newer trucks already have the updated sensor software mapping from the factory. The Cummins / EPA investigation has been going on for 5 years now. No changes to the engine controller the horsepower / torque.

[@EDMguy8870]

Just cause you have the title don't mean squat...... I put off VW on my TDI jetta for 2 years then they pulled the no registration till you do card.......your title only means you don't have any more payments.....THAT IS IT.

[@kenadams3385]

@@EDMguy8870 The point is, that I have a right to know what the government wants to do with MY vehicle. I also live in a state where emissions is emissions and registration is registration. There won't be a problem.

[@Mill72]

Put down the tin foil hat. No conspiracy to look for people who may have deleted or lock down the ECM.

[@thewayidoit8895]

2015 Ram 3500 here. Nearing 400k miles. This has been stock always. It was a hotshot truck until I bought it 2019. I refused to delete it (even suffered through problems) because I figured they are after us.

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[@BigBadJohnDiesel]

I had the recall done. The only thing Ive noticed different, is higher DEF consumption.

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[@bobbywhitlock6841]

Same. I had them do the recall on my 2018 and it is definately using more DEF. I work for Ram and this recall is nothing like the eco diesel reflash. Crossing fingers nothing else comes up but so far, just more DEF.

[@tiffanyq.6004]

Funny that you say that about the DEF. I had the recall done about a month ago and I drive about 20 miles per day and just noticed today that my DEF gauge was at half and I just had it at almost full. I'll have to keep an eye on it. 🤔

[@rogerjustice8835]

Makes me love my 12 valve all that much more, these new diesel’s are not worth the hassle or the money they cost.

[@dentman67]

I hate that I can't watch you guys more often, but I rely on your podcast to get me through Houston traffic. Outstanding job guys.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

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[@user-ii2mv6tj1z]

The only reason the def gauge would drop faster would be because the update has increased the def dosing parameters to reduce nox. The derate parameters for def level in the tank has always been there. At a certain level it gives you a warning as you go past the level the warnings increase i.e. cel then on empty its derate time. It's never been designed to let you run further and pollute more complete opposite. So if what you saying about the increase in def usage is true then part of the update is a change in def dosing parameters and probably some changes in fueling parameters, vgt parameters and egr flow parameters. They only ones that are going to know exactly is cummins, will the driver know the difference, most probably not a few maybe. As far as ecm's being locked out never happen but going forward its going to be a lot more difficult for the aftermarket to develop tuners. Safe guards are probably being written into the future updates that will put the ecm into derate if tune is trying to be installed requiring the owner to take it to a dealer for a hefty repair bill to deter anyone from doing so. As far as collecting data on the number of trucks that have been deleted I really don't think they're wasting time on that. Cummins don't care and if the fed really wants to get rid of deleted trucks all the have to do is require all oil burners to go through emissions testing nation wide yearly and to have certified tamper proof ATS systems. This recall is just another shake down by the fed, remember the fed is the biggest criminal organization period.

[@wilmarbarrick3194]

Maybe I misunderstood him, but the way I understood him, the " increase" in DEF usage is an "apparent increase " not a real one. The guage goes down quicker even though you're using the same amount. The effect would be the lockouts occur earlier forcing you refill sooner.

[@user-ii2mv6tj1z]

@@wilmarbarrick3194 Just install a larger def tank. Derates are still going to happen at the same level. The idea that programming a gauge to make a person think they are going through more def than they actually are is just asking for trouble and that definitely won't do anything to reduce nox. If I had a cummins and the gauge didn't read right I'd keep sending it back to the dealer till it was right or make them buy it back.

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[@scott8708]

I have a 2019 Ram 3500 dually and just received my recall VB6, 67A in the mail today. Washington State.

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[@waynefreeman1173]

I have a 2020 2500 it has 24K on it now. It had a fuel pump recall on it at 10K the stealership put on a new CP3 and reflashed PCM. The only mods to it are the Banks Monster Ram to get rid of that grid heater ticking time bomb. I do all the mantainance my self the only thing I'm guilty of is that I change the oil a little sooer than needed. I pull a 12K fifth wheel trailer. This truck runs GREAT!! The PCM recall was done when they put the new pump on and it actually runs better. I average 18 to 21 on the Highway and around 15 in the City without the trailer. I hope this helps anyone who has any concerns. Just remember don't Dodge it Ram it... Y'all have a good one.

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[@troycampbell7380]

100% checking deletes

[@Bigblock555]

2018 2500 , took my truck in for warranty work on the coolant level sensor. I knew about the recall when I brought my truck into dealership. I've owned the truck for a little over a yr. When I brought it miles was at 50,000 , currently 92,903. I use my truck commercially. I never had a message come up until I took it to dealer. See dealer message came up about exhaust filter and the check engine light also came on. I was 2 hrs away from home, I made it home with the message coming up see dealer exhaust filter. I don't drive the truck for a couple days, when I do the check engine light went off and the message went away. I know for sure the issue stems from the software update. I can hear my fans coming on now with the truck barely getting to running temp. With a month wait to get into dealership for a forced Regen, then I get a letter from a salesman at dealer saying they want to buy the truck for more than market value. I don't think I'll be back ✌️

[@matthewg7887]

If this is all about the EPA trying to find out who has a deleted truck, then why are they only going after Cummins? There are tons of deleted Fords and GMs on the road. Maybe they’re next? I’d never get this recall. If the EPA wants these trucks off the road they better use that 2B to buy them back from private citizens.

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[@MuddyRuttzz]

Thanks, very interesting. I had a VW diesel and a Mercedes recalled. I made out pretty good on both. Now I own a Wrangler and Gladiator both Ecodiesels. I'm hoping they just leave them alone and let me enjoy them. Tons of power, great fuel mileage. Really cool you guys make it easy to find your content. I get you on your Facebook Page, Podcasts and here. Also own a T-shirt. Thanks!

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[@misctimetraveler]

I don't live in CA so haven't taken it in. Waiting to see what happens. I am sure when I take it in for something else they will change it

[@johnh.backensto5416]

How'bout an ABS brake module recall for the thousands of Ram 2017-2018 2500/3500 trucks. Owners are putting up with the constant dashboard chime, until they pull the fuse?!

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

For sure! We have replaced a bunch in our shop. And safety related like that it’s a good idea. They recalled weak fuel pumps on 200k mile caravans. Why not these?

[@shawnmichaud9537]

And I’ve had the light come on saying service diesel exhaust system twice for some reason when I took it to the dealer they could not find the code and I had shown them a pice of that coming on

[@RyanCarroll-rx3od]

Yes, and it also disables the cruise control

[@JoshJacobsJoshj109]

I did the same thing, now my light is just always on

[@JoshJacobsJoshj109]

What is the fix? Replacing the ABS control module?

[@DM-tf6mk]

I think its disgraceful what the government and EPA has done to a once reliable, good running diesel vehicle for the American consumer. Now these things are unreliable, ridiculously expensive to maintain and not worth the trouble of owning one in my opinion.

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[@5150dirt]

Unfortunately I cannot pull my fifth wheel with a Prius, so I have to have the diesel.

[@ScottHartz-lh5qo]

Yeah, who wants more natural beauty in trees, and cleaner air....

[@davidcaskey4669]

12 valve for the win

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

For sure! With a big turbo and a turned up pump.

[@texasvet7241]

Hey from Tyler, TX!! My cousin bought a new Ram 2500 two days before this issue was announced. He’s on pins and needles hoping they don’t ruin it with the recall. He hasn’t gotten the recall yet but he knows it’s coming. Sounds like a really ridiculous issue for the insane cost.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Hello in Tyler! Hopefully it doesn’t cause him an issue.

[@arnejahr3531]

Some have been done before you bought it

[@ronaldgentry9923]

Only applys to 2013-2019 trucks

[@noneya61]

I’m wondering if one can refuse to let the dealership (if you’re still under warranty) apply the recall if you aren’t in a carb state like Fla. I haven’t taken mine in for maintenance since I got the recall notice but when I do I’m gonna tell them they better not dare touch my computer.

[@johnirwin1837]

The recall is all over the internet. Look it up. You are not affected with a 2024.

[@TheFalcondan95705]

The Price of DEF has gone up.. Now the EPA wants us to use more def... NOPE... im not doing it..

[@bobcowan1943]

I have a 2020, RAM, 3500, it is not included in the recall, it only affects 2013-2019, trucks, if you have a 2020 and newer it currently is not effected . Diesel Dudes has a DELETE for every year 2024 and older, free shipping W/ a 25$ customs fee from Canada

[@madman432000]

How much DEF does it take to refill the tank before and after the adjustments when the gauge is at the same level and how many miles were driven on that amount? Maybe that was mentioned in the video and I just missed it.

[@DIYKAI]

So glad we have a 12 pre def 🎉😂

[@ed6102]

I had the particulate mater sensor done on my 22 ram 6.7 recently they flashed the ecm all ive noticed is im burning more def than i was before it fuel mileage is the same .

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

It would be great, and make sense if they were required to tell you exactly what they are doing when they work on our trucks. Otherwise no one knows what’s done. Like FDA for trucks. Tell us what’s in it and what the “side effects are.

[@robbygather]

Detuned truck also. Have a 2019 dodge ram 3500 with ho motor. On my scanner. It shows 850ftlbs now. Definitely felt a difference in towing.

[@vikingo776]

Maybe a good think if the particle filter stays cleans maybe less problems for us! Maybe?

[@ronnieparlaman2834]

I Just had mine done>No different in power and the DEF gauge looks the same.Will tell when i hook up my 40 foot fifth wheel this spring

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

The Def gauge is now programed to move quicker so let us know what the actual def use is. Not just the gauge reading. It will be interesting to know.Thanks for watching.

[@doughughes1514]

GM recalled my truck two years ago to reset the emissions. Same result, the thing regens like crazy and I go through DEF fluid about a third more than I used to. They were honest about it though and told me what the recall was for. Would I do it again? No.

[@farmboy971]

It seems like the epa wanted to know how many deleted trucks are out there. I wonder why they picked on just ram? Is it because the design of the computer and leaving it open for deletes? Is Ford and Chevy next? I guess we will see. What I like about Russ is, he is doing the research and telling us facts and not overly speculative.

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[@wintersfarm1340]

The recall is putting the truck to the point where it will use more DEF (active and passive) to "scrub" the emission. Dodge boys always boast to me that there '19 Cummnis doesn't use as much DEF as my '19 Powerstroke. Now they are using about the same I amount I use.

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[@klforrest573]

Curious if the flash - increased the duty cycle of the EGR valve? Putting more (Soot) - (Sludge) in the intake.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

That would be an easy one for one of our listeners to check if they use a meter on it both before and after. We graph that kind of stuff in our shop all the time.

[@klforrest573]

@@UnderTheHoodShow if this ends up being the case and the EGR is adding even more black sooty sludge into my intake - I will probably end up selling my 2017 w/30K miles! I can only hope living in Oklahoma is a plus on this matter .

[@johnlowak2228]

I saw somewhere on here one Ram cummins owner track the egr duty cycle and this was some time back. He reported that even at idle the egr was running around 60% and the same at highway speeds. That is sickening how much exhaust is contaminating the fresh air/fuel charge. It also explains why the fuel economy is dismal.

[@RobertHasty]

Had my fuel filter replaced 2 weeks ago, I turned down that recall. I have no emissions in my county in Pennsylvania and would like to delete eventually.

[@matthewb3640]

So I had a new 96 F350 crew cab powerstroke. It was ran on the test track at Ford. 50 miles. When I got it my mileage increased by 1 mpg Every tank of fuel. It would also light up the tires (smoke them) at about 3/4 throttle. Pulling a skidsteer was almost like it didn't exist behind me. My fuel pump or pressure regulator (mechanic said regulator, Supervisor said pump, started acting up after owning it a couple months. When I got in to leave I noticed a drastic change in throttle response before I even got out of the parking lot (huge difference). It was a dog ! I turned right around, went in and asked wth they did to it ? Then told them to put it back the way it was ! "We can't do that". I was told. Well my mpg also dropped to 14 ! Note: I had 3:55 gears. I tried several after market tuners but none did to it what that test drive did to it ! I could get performance increase but not like it was when I bought it. Even the claims of 70 and 100hp increase. And my mileage was never the same.

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[@darrellyoung9586]

I have an old Dodge Ram truck and I love it. I would neveeer buy a newer truck. And what the hell is DEF ?

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

The old 12 valve diesels are great trucks. No Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) to inject Into the exhaust to clean up the air on that truck.

[@scottwhitcher265]

DEF is synthetic pee.

[@thomasjames2352]

03 here. 5.9 Truckers great. Stock no CC and no def.

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[@kellymichael7362]

I haven't heard anything about the year models from '07 to '12. Sounds like it's only affecting the models with the DEF system. I'm sure they'll find a way to go after the pre-DEF trucks as well.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Yes, just the Def models so far.

[@firstname6208]

I was told in the near future pre def units won't get a tag from your dot.

[@DirectCurrent4u]

I haven't had any issues with my Factory Deleted 3rd Gen. 👍

[@TheFalcondan95705]

What will you do if the EPA finds out?

[@johnlowak5811]

I don't like feeling like there is a conspiracy afoot. Yet, in this case, I can't help but feel this way. I own a 2018 2500. It is stock, other than wheels and shocks i left it alone. I wrestled with the delete or not and opted to keep it stock. I had the update at the dealer that sold me the truck, and so far, 3 weeks after the truck runs the same. I have lost 1 mpg, and DEF usage is only slightly more than before the update. As far as a conspiracy? There is a clear trail of the "gov" tracking credit card purchases, monitoring internet sites, and those sites' customers. 11 years in the odds are in the epas' favor they will find a percentage of these trucks deleted. The picture emerging is ultimately the ".gov" is pushing an anti diesel agenda. Doesn't it seem odd? When i read the numbers 630,000 trucks over a ten year period? What is the percentage of the total number of diesel-powered vehicles in America? So, was this in the end all an excuse for the epa/doj to find deleted trucks?

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Time will tell…

[@scackley]

The only thing it did for mine was to increase the amount of DEF being used.

[@edwardschuenemeyer7661]

Clearly the recall recalibrate the def system tobregen more often to use more def per tank of fuel.... and it will now remove power if you run out of def and will take a shop to reset the power

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Hopefully you will just be able to add more def.

[@mikeb6300]

Being a fleet mechanic for the past 30 plus years and recently I am starting a training course on the PACCAR mx13 engine which CUMMINS makes the Use of def is 1-2 Gallons of DEF to 50 gallons of fuel. So yes they are re flashing the ECM so to use more def. I’m not sure what the ratio is now on the current 6.7 before the Re flash and what the new ratio will be.

[@fanxu9060]

Mx13 is not by Cummins.

[@mikeb6300]

Sorry I stand corrected PACCAR engines are designed and manufactured in-house, while Cummins engines are built by a separate company. As a result, PACCAR engines are typically only used in PACCAR trucks, while Cummins are used in a variety of different truck brands. In terms of performance, both engines have their strengths and weaknesses. PACCAR engines are known for their durability and fuel efficiency, while Cummins engines are known for their power and reliability. Ultimately, the decision between these engines will depend on the specific needs and preferences of the truck owner.

[@nickaltvater5592]

​@@mikeb6300Cummins engines are built by Cummins at their CMEP plant in Colombus, IN

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[@georgepierce9253]

The United States is a private corporation. That makes it no different than McDonald's or Walmart 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@leekeenii1469]

It sounds to me like they’re forcing it into regen more often (hence, burning more DEF) AND modified the program to force the truck into “idle mode” if you fail to refill your DEF tank before it’s empty.

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[@dnett6917]

I have a dodge ram 2500 with a Cummings engine Andy dodge is having the most problems with the engines I do tks Dave

[@user-fc8ih2vg2o]

What are the before and after numbers?

[@user-ln9xk7uo8k]

Got mine done my def consumption went to almost double while hauling over30,000 pounds taking my truck to Canada lol

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Oh my

[@perfectomunoz]

My truck doesn’t need a recall. I have an 2006

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Hopefully no recalls there.

[@georgepierce9253]

I remember when plants needed co2 to turn it to o2. Lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 good sheepel

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[@davinsalazar9177]

I have 2021 2500 and I have the check engine light on and I but the truck use with 51245 00 miles on and they not fixed the problem yet is going back for

[@theantiqueactionfigure]

My 2018 will not pass emissions after the recall. Fighting with the dealer and Ram!!!!!

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

We have seen a few like that.

[@theantiqueactionfigure]

If a vehicle won't pass smog in California it might as well be a brick!

[@theantiqueactionfigure]

@@UnderTheHoodShow is there solution to it?

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

@@theantiqueactionfigure we have not seen one. We get a good feel for what fixes are out there between our shop and our radio show. If we see updates we will post them.

[@jc525exc]

Thanks! Nice Job helping us understand what's going on. Also thanks for saying Hypothesis instead of Theory. I know it sounds anal, but funny how some don't like to use facts, instead assumptions are used to explain things.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

We can assume with the best of them but usually make those assumptions based on the huge piles of emails and calls we get. We can usually sort out the BS and figure out what's real. Thanks for watching.

[@michaelpopp1783]

Money grab by govt

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[@scottwhitcher265]

Power grab by the government.

[@davidhamilton9902]

Got my notice will be ignoring it last truck they did that to was my srt10 ram and it killed the power of it.

[@SecondGenClassics]

i never will do this update .. i have a ghost tune def/egr detete.. buddy works at a Ram dealer said it was to find out what people did tunes on trucks and to use more def fuel per tank and to lock computers out from being tuned again

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

It's a bad one.

[@donsommer2049]

What I would like to know where the money is going from fines the EPA get . Let's make them account ability .

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Here is the lost money (: www.foxnews.com/politics/bidens-epa-lost-track-billions-dollars-taxpayer-funds-inspector-general

[@samgarofalo2461]

2 Billion to hire more IRS Agents

[@karensellars9297]

so did Ford and Chev get this system right or do they need checking to

[@gdt5430]

This just adds more confusion about what the effect of the Flash is, here you say they reprogrammed the DEF gauge, other Tubers are saying the truck is using way more DEF that it did before the Flash was done. So until somebody like Gale Banks that really knows what their doing and has the engineers to identify the effect it will all be speculation.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Using more Def. We must not have been clear in the description. They reprogrammed the gauge so that it drops faster. That makes it look like it’s using more def. People that measure the gallons they put in and divide using miles have told us that they are using the same amount. But… the gauge drops faster so that when the tank is close to empty it limits the truck. Before it would run out and still read that it had def which would cause higher emissions. Our own 2014 truck read 1/4 tank empty. Thanks for watching.

[@pyrostwistedride4821]

I have been curious if this was because the early ECMs weren't locked out, as well as if they were trying to get a list of deleted vehicles. It would be pretty easy to compare a list of VINs that had the recall done to a list of registered VINs. Also, if your truck is deleted, why would you even attempt going in for a recall?

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

In states without inspection laws and where they don't yet care if you the truck is deleted in order to get a registration most won't get flashed. But... if you are in states like California and a bunch of others that do... You won't be able to register that truck ever if you don't comply. Their way of control.

[@pyrostwistedride4821]

@UnderTheHoodShow What I mean about the registered part is if the EPA wants to perform a witch hunt, they could run the registered VINs against the recall performed VINs and start knocking on doors. Since it's illegal at a federal level to delete.

[@allan1062]

There r only 7states that link your registration to emissions testing!

[@pyrostwistedride4821]

@@allan1062 so only 7 states have a vehicle registration system?

[@kemetm3]

@@pyrostwistedride4821 why did you leave out the word emissions when responding to a comment that had that word in it?

[@greggbala6686]

I have a 2021 Cummins.

[@stevenblack9324]

Remember that the lawyers and judges were not in offices for two to three years of that time. I am sure that affected the timing.

[@dearinghoward]

You do know, all the dealers have to do is the paperwork and bill chrysler for the recall. That puts your vin in the computer as being done, iv had recalls done in the computer that iv refused in the past

[@bigfoot2941]

Exactly

[@fredrubble1151]

The EPA hates Diesel power. Cummins Did Not admit to ANY wrongdoing and I don't think they did. I think they should counter sue for damages!

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Funny it took so many years for them to do anything about this if it was so important but hammered VW so quickly and told us exactly what the fault was.

[@Mill72]

This recall brings the 2013-2019 update to the MY2020+ trucks. No tin foil hats.

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[@user-dc8dz6wy5p]

To me, it would seem that there are two facets to the recall. One you use more def. Secondly, the software has been updated so that you can't delete your truck the way they have been deleting them in the past. I would speculate that the def consumption is something that was discovered by the EPA during the investigation. There was absolutely nothing for Cummins to gain by manipulating the amount of DEF these trucks used. 10-12 years ago, Def was just being mandated. It was/is viewed as a consumable that was mandated by the EPA that the end user would have to provide regardless of the rate of consumption. I think the bigger focus of the EPA is on eliminating the work around that allows one to delete the truck in the first place. So why did they limit their scope to just Rams with Cummins? My speculation for this would be the EPA must have some type of incriminating evidence on them (think email from Cummins to an outside vendor) stating that they (Cummins) intentionally designed the software to allow for the deletes. Why else would they accept the ridiculous fine? For those not taking their truck in (i am one of them) for the recall. Just be vigilant! I could see ram rolling out a secondary recall (something un-related) and claiming it is a potential safety hazard (think air bag recall) just so you lower your guard and take your truck in for that. They will use that opportunity to do the emissions update and claim, your vehicle did not have the faulty part for the bogus recall.

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[@paulmarti9808]

They want you to spend more on def ,and control your filters that have to be changed more

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[@robertanthony312]

Trust the Government? Remember what they did with covid?

[@bigfoot2941]

And the Indians. I'm part cherokee

[@robertanthony312]

@@bigfoot2941 100% correct. My wife is 1/8th Cherokee.

[@Lucky4wd4840]

I think it was a way to get the trucks in to see how many were deleted

[@johndeschaine2031]

I think they just want to lock the computer so you can't mess with it

[@greggbala6686]

They want to know how many have been deleted!

[@Spin-Drift-Ballistics]

I bought a 2018 2500. Had problems with it from the beginning. I was always at the dealership. I got rid of it before the warranty expired. Best thing I've ever done short of leaving California. It's an over-engineered POS. Cummings is a great motor, its just all the BS they hang on it.

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[@RV_with_Noni_and_Beard]

2016 RAM 3500. There is a third option to what they are up to. I think this is really about the FEDs/Kalifornia collecting two billion dollars without having to raise taxes.

[@scottwhitcher265]

The biggest advantage of diesel was 100% mechanical which results in great reliability. Once they went to common rail, you bought all the electronics problems that gas burners have.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Loved the mechanical stuff and still do.

[@871jamie]

Slip the tech 100 bucks and he can say it’s done. I’ve never received this recall on mine.

[@Propman203]

I believe that they programmed it to use more DEF fluid, also possibly put a lock in the computer so you can’t tune them two birds, one stone that’s most likely what the EPA wanted done because of the possibility that so many comments owners have them tuned, possibly

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[@ski6712]

my new back in 2004 ram 6 Spd manual 5.9 L turbo HO, diesel quad cab 3500 4wd long box loaded would get 21 to 23 mpg not much emission controls on it. my new 2022 ram 3500 automatic aisin trans 6.7 L turbo HO diesel quad cab long box same loads has all the emissions stuff/def. and gets 11.5 gpm both trucks have been driving the same routes over the years. so which one actually put out more pollution after 40,000 miles ? the minimal emissions 2004 or the emission/def beast of 2022 ? an interesting question for someone who wants to do the calculations. the big power of the 2022 loaded with work supplies still is not faster up the steepest hills on the highway than the same loads in the 2004 truck , the 2022 is a smoother ride from factory improvements to the suspension system including air suspension. I would like to challenge the regulators and put this question to the test to see if they have just wasted everybody's time with these demands to manufactures on these emission mandates as have these constant expensive rules actually made total output of emissions over a half / life of the engine less or more? why has this test not been done as it shows a true useful reduction of air pollution but nothing said about it 🤨 my trucks are completely stock and I am the only driver.

[@jakem.6359]

My 2016 is bone stock and in my opinion uses a lot of DEF....Im doubtful I'll take it in .....theres a lot more to all this than they're telling us. Give me a big check and I'll give it back.

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[@orvillevincent2186]

I know they are cracking down but they are getting carried away. I mean its not quite like the death penalty but close, Probably less punishment for robbing a bank or don't get me started on ID theft and when bank account gets hacked.

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[@tone569]

They'll come and get your truck. I've heard of guys having deleted trucks and they find out and they take your truck.

[@billdonohue2389]

When my DEF guage gets to 1/4, I fill it so that has never happened to me.

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[@Upracefan]

You do not have to get a recall performed in states that do not do emissions testing, In states where emission tests are performed may be a problem though.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

It amazes us how many people we know in our state which does not test for emissions have gone in and had the recall done. They are just lining up and doing it.

[@mikemassey7403]

As long as Cummins continues to make quality engines Dodge Ram will live on in Infamy.

[@0rickkathy0]

What's left after they go after good company's ?

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

The owners of the trucks.

[@0rickkathy0]

Yup, that is the goal !@@UnderTheHoodShow

[@kilowatt02]

you end up driving a ford

[@Anointedandappointed]

I can’t get this def system issue fixed. I have had it in 4 times and it isn’t deleted. I can’t get it deleted or fixed. 35k miles.

[@reneepoulin]

I have a 97 3500 rebuilt the motor at 500k good for another 500k

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

Those last a good long time.

[@michealwhynot]

That's why mine went on a diet

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[@dnett6917]

All vehicles should not have any Emmons they are doing the same thing to semis they don't run good since they have done this I have been running semis for 43 years tks Dave

[@DonziGT230]

Your description of the DEF change didn't make sense. Are you saying that the gauge drops faster but the truck isn't using more DEF? And you said that you used to be able to run them out of DEF and just keep driving and polluting more, but we know that's not true.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

One of the things that they have done is to make the def gauge drop to empty faster so that the truck warns you to fill with def sooner because the way it was, you could read more than 1/8 tank but actually be empty causing more pollution.

[@JeffreyRust-oq7rw]

@UnderTheHoodShow Are you a Democrat your tossing salad words, are you Harris sister

[@compactc9]

Sounds to me like they used the DEF thing as a technical excuse to make people bring them in. The only ‘emissions defeat device built in’ seems to be that the computer can be tuned to run without the crap. Since I have to pass emissions, all that is there there, but I still am leery . In all honesty I’ll probably just ignore the recall since no one’s forcing me to.

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[@randyjedneak8698]

My 2019 ram 3500 Cummins 3,300 miles I used 2.5 gallons def big deal empty truck 5 tenths of a cent per mile ain’t worth deleting def

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[@slalomking]

Finally a smart person with a diesel truck.

[@FunnyGuitarPedals-xf8ze]

I have a 2018 2500 6.7 , I just did the 67a recall . The next day the engine light turns on . I live in California the truck is totally stock . My truck has been in the shop for three days and still no answer on what’s wrong. They said maybe a bent rod . The error code was p0306 .

[@lawrencedennerle5303]

All l know is my ram truck had a dash quake and disappeared then the seat belts froze locked so l think until dodge fixes these problems that they created no stupid recall will get me to take my truck in to a dealership.

[@paulbehne914]

It seems to me that someone could file a Freedom of Info Act and get the scoop.

[@RJohnson-nh6ud]

I wonder how many Ram owners have had different systems deleted from their trucks and what are they going to do. Not only just ram trucks, but next will be Ford and GM. I think it's more about eliminating these tuning devices and companies that perform these illegal improvements and Ram just happens to be the first attempt to do this. I'm quite sure that Ford and GM are next in line, as how many deletes have altered those trucks.

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

In our area we see about 2 out of every ten trucks with some sort of delete device. You can bet that all manufacturers are being looked at.

[@gram6774]

It's all about CONTROL !!!!!!!° PEOPLE PLEASE WAKE UP!

[@MH-wq2xn]

I don't agree my def fluid would hit the red and it would message on the display def fluid low need to fill in x amount of miles and if you didn't it went into limp mode I don't buy what your saying

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

That’s the way it should work. But dozens of our listeners told us, and our own two trucks did not work that way. We do not know if any previous flashes performed at any point since a truck left the factory changed any calibrations. It is possible some of these trucks did have accurate calibrations already and were only recalled to check them or??? Why did they want the truck to come in so they could see it in their shop? We’re asking everyone the question. What changed on your truck after the flash?

[@CaptK-pv7ow]

Is this something they’ll be doing to the GM vehicles?

[@wallyyuriy8912]

My 2023 runs fine when it’s completely out of def.

[@tuffy16]

My 98 runs just fine

[@nathanvetter8717]

But why would they just go after Dodge and not all of them?

[@UnderTheHoodShow]

You can bet they are looking at every one.