What The Hell Is Going On With The Armenia & Azerbaijan Conflict?

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#armenia #azerbaijan #politics

[@afterhourscinema782]

"PLEASE stop killing each other" Difficulty: *'Former-Soviet Union'*

[@gamma-rayburst4611]

It seems like everyone is capable of doing horrible things to people if they can justify but in Thier mind

[@FelisImpurrator]

​@@gamma-rayburst4611always have been

[@diamondhamster4320]

Nah. Baltics have no quarlles and military conflicts since dissolution of USSR. It is cause both Armenia and Azeri are 3rd world ethnical religious fanatical radical (dunno how to not to be more properly PC) brown peoples countries.

[@mesmorrow]

Islam the religion of peace.

[@YokaiX]

​​@@mesmorrowthey ain't special. Almost any claimed "religion of peace", has a history of violence and or, extremely "un-peaceful" extremists.

[@ice8348]

My great grandpa's whole family died in the Armenian genocide. He lived, escaped to Syria (which was under Ottoman control at the time), then fled to France, where many others fled too. Later he moved to Cuba, and then eventually Cleveland. He helped found a church called Saint Gregory of Narek in Cleveland, which he would give talks at pretty much monthly. After WW2 and the Holocaust, his whole thing became publically calling on Turkey to recognize the Armenian genocide, the way the Germans recognized the Holocaust. He said that it was in the past, and that we can move forward once it's recognized, but so long as they continue to deny it, the present will remain in the past. He died at 101 years old in 2007. I miss him, but I'm also sort of glad he didn't have to live to see what's happening now. He'd just be heartbroken.

[@etienne8110]

So he saw what the armenians did in the 90s... i hope that didn t broke his heart...

[@ice8348]

@@etienne8110 What Armenia did in the 90s was horrible. I don't think anyone denies that.

[@freakishuproar1168]

@@etienne8110 gUeSs tHaT mAkEs tHe aRmEnIan gEnOcIdE oKaY tHeN What's it like not living with anything even remotely resembling a moral framework etienne?

[@etienne8110]

@@freakishuproar1168 don t strawman me. I never said armenian genocide was fine Just that armenian are genociders too. They are both victims and butchers. That s why pitying them is harder.

[@etienne8110]

@@ice8348 currently a lot of people seem to forget... depicting armenians as innocent victims of Azerbaïdjan s attack.

[@MrGksarathy]

Actually, the Armenian Church is its own very ancient denomination of Christianity that still does such ancient things as observing Christmas on January 6th.

[@ambiguousi9075]

:sus:

[@MrGksarathy]

@@ambiguousi9075 IKR, but it is a legitimately ancient tradition. The Egyptians used to do it as well, if they don't still.

[@RedishCore]

Russian orthodoxy does the same. New Year on the night of december 31 and Cristmas on 6th of january

[@ASDeckard]

@@MrGksarathy They still do, as do Ethiopians. Coptic is the word you are looking for.

[@MrGksarathy]

@@ASDeckard I know what the denominational name for Egyptian and Ethiopian Christians is. Still, wasn't sure if they followed the lead of the Western Churches or not.

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

Didn't Stalin deliberately make the borders unworkable to make independence more challenging?

[@julianbell9161]

Exactly. The borders near Uzbekistan and Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan are also super fucked up and weird for this exact reason

[@Vernichterlein]

@@julianbell9161 not in this case. People just life in different regions. The Armenian autonomy was a kind of solution.

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@Vernichterlein yes absolutely in this case. the issue is that stalin gave nagorno-karabakh to the azeri despite it being almost completely inhabited by armenians

[@Argumemnon]

Makes complete sense, if one's a bloodthirsty despot.

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@Argumemnon a lot of dictatoships do things that keep them very stable short term but often explode the moment any instability happens. it's very common

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

We need to point out to the Christian right that Armenia is Christian. That should get them support. :(

[@wordart_guian]

A lot of messaging directed to americans point out how armenians are both christian and indigenous, to rally everyone’s support. It ought to work better

[@vottak5964]

@@wordart_guian Azerbaijan is part of Turkey. Turkey is key NATO allie. +no one even Armenia recognize NK as part of Armenia

[@wordart_guian]

@@vottak5964 « azerbaijan is part of turkey » are you sure about that

[@vottak5964]

@@wordart_guian two states-one people.

[@vottak5964]

@@wordart_guian legin policy of Turkey and Azerbaijan

[@alanl.4252]

I appreciate you talking about this issue, outside of the posts and reels I see from Serj from SOAD, I haven’t seen many online bring awareness to the crisis going on.

[@P3PSID0WN]

Bro this is literally me, I even searched it up a few days ago after I saw Serj’s tweets and I still found next to no news articles about it

[@dakunssd]

I mainly hear about the conflict from Joe Kassabian, but I guess if you're not into the Nate Bethea podcast multiverse, you may have not heard about Kassabian. Almost nothing contextual on German or European news.

[@Nergal665]

I've been to Artsakh. It's one of the most beautiful places on Earth. This was in 2017, before the 2020 war

[@alexsutton2271]

@alani.4252 damn Those Holy Mountins & P.L.U.C.K vibes being pretty revelant rn

[@lennyizquierdo1239]

Dissapointed that the video didn't start with the Vaush Armenia GeoGuesser clip right away.

[@ice8348]

NOOOOOO!

[@RomWatt]

In France, most of our energy comes from nuclear power, so we don't rely on gas as much as other European nations, and also we have a big armenian community for some reason.

[@bobpaige4029]

Turkish genocide of Armenians during WW1 is the reason for that btw.

[@wordart_guian]

France had gotten close to the christian minorities of the ottoman empire in the 19th century, and became one of their main supporters (esp. Financially) over time, and sided against the ottomans in ww1, besides it also got syria and lebanon (where most armenians had initially fled) post war. So for many armenians france was the obvious first destination.

[@chicken29843]

Aren't you guys closing a bunch of your nuclear plants?

[@wordart_guian]

@@chicken29843 i think not anymore

[@FunnyParadox]

​@@chicken29843Only temporarily for maintenance

[@Asenueh]

India does not support Armenia on the Artsakh issue, because Artsakh declared independence from Azerbaijan after having previously passed a referendum to accede to Armenia, which Russia didn't accept, and this would put India's hypocrisy regarding Kashmir into sharp relief.

[@stanchpandora3658]

I know a lot of Indians that do support Armenia

[@AshkanPacino13]

@@stanchpandora3658 as they should, based Indians

[@etienne8110]

The other issue is that they did the referundum after genociding the local inhabitants (azerbaidjans) 700 000 were moved and 30 000 civilians killed in mass murders... Imagine if russia killed ukrainians then held a vote on joining ukraine to russia with only russians allowed to vote and everyone was like "yeah, seems legit"😅 Well that s what some people do for karabagh and armenia...

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@etienne8110 "Imagine if russia killed ukrainians then held a vote on joining ukraine to russia with only russians allowed to vote" that is essentially exactly what russia did. you are aware of that, right?

[@etienne8110]

@@jurgnobs1308 yeah exactly my point. We all agree that it isn t okay there, so why the double standard with armenia ? Armenians are the bad guys there. They did just like Putin. (Plus the mass murder of civilians, i don t know if russia killed as much as the armenians did)

[@guillaumelagueyte1019]

France supports Armenia in part because there's a big Armenian population here, and also French from Armenian origin population. One of our most famous singers, Charles Aznavour, was of Armenian origin. Might have been related to a refugee wave around the time of the genocide, I'm not sure, but here we are, and now they're a huge voting block in France. There may be some economic considerations as well, but as far as I know it's mostly related to what I said

[@etienne8110]

Yeah mostly it s just cattering to the voters from immigrant descent. Economically we are more tied to Azerbaïdjan (gaz) rather than armenia (which has nothing of value)

[@jamesgaston2745]

Further more, France and Armenia have historical alliances going back to the 12th century and immediately reestablished them after the disillusion of the Soviet Union

[@davidlegrice4207]

No you damn well don't! You just pay them slightly more lip service than everyone else and are perfectly happy to sit back and watch them get ethnically cleansed without imposing a single sanction on Azerbaijan much less giving them any military assistance, which is the only thing that would truly solve this, like with Kosovo.

[@guillaumelagueyte1019]

@davidlegrice4207 The French minsister of foreign affairs, and many other politicians in France (including the mayor of Paris, who's always quite influential) have called for the EU and the UN to impose sanctions on Azerbaijan. haut-karabakh-pourquoi-des-sanctions-europeennes-contre-lazerbaidjan-semblent-improbables-03-10-2023 (Le Parisien, and please don't stop at the title) appel-des-elus-francais-sur-le-haut-karabakh-si-le-president-azerbaidjanais-n-entend-pas-les-exhortations-de-l-onu-des-sanctions-economiques-devront-etre-prises_6191857_3232 (Le Monde) Discussions about the delivery of military equipment are also ongoing, and I'd like to point out that historically Armenia has relied on Russia for weapons, so it's kind of weird for you to require France to send weapons within a week, yet here we are: la-france-a-donne-son-accord-a-l-armenie-en-vue-de-livraison-de-materiel-militaire_6192267_3210 (Le Monde) I tried going into checking what you said without any preconceived ideas, if anything I didn't really expect that anything would have been done yet as all of this is quite recent (the conflict has been ongoing for a long time but the renewal of violence is quite recent, that is), but it seems you're mistaken on both topics. Things take time. I also wish they'd go faster.

[@ProEray]

In Turkey we have many singers who have Armenian origin, look up Hayko Cepkin. Turkish people embraces him as Armenian

[@yansheredega2560]

It would be untrue to state that Russia supported Armenia. As Russia have sold weapons to both sides. There are numerous Russian generals who have literally stated: "I wish Azeri and Armenians to fight till the last drop off their blood" The only thing that Russia is interested in - is keeping Azerbaijan under pressure, cuz it has a lot of leverage with oil resources it is also selling to the EU.

[@amaianita]

exactly the comment I've been looking for. russia doesn't care and most armenians don't care for russian support. plus the peacekeeping forces are useless

[@Asenueh]

Stalin granted Armenian-majority Artsakh (Nagorno-Karabakh) to Azerbaijan, with neither the permission, nor the consultation of the people why lived there, in order to curry political favor with Turkey. Many of the borders contrived by Stalin deliberately mixed different ethnic groups, as a way to keep them from unifying within their borders.

[@vottak5964]

Same with Donetsk-krivoy rog soviey Republic.

[@muhammedaliyev444]

Stop spreading false information. Your groundless claims are over, Stalin issued the order by stating to retain Karabakh inside Azerbaijan not to grant it. Those territories have always belonged to Azerbaijan and we restored our territorial integrity. The only thing you can do is to cry a lot to alleviate the pain you all are holding. Nothing but nothing can change this reality that you have always been puppet of Russian Empire by moving you to our territories to create long lasting conflict.

[@tywinlannister]

Stalin granted Zangezur and Irevan uyezds to Armenia, which had majority Azerbaijani population, but no one wants to talk about it, right?

[@rogerkeleshian2215]

​@@muhammedaliyev444aliyev fascist bootlicker narrative

[@emperorpalpatine6239]

@@muhammedaliyev444Why are Azerbaijanis so misinformed about history?

[@TSmith-yy3cc]

People sometimes knock Vowsh for his more specific geopolitical takes but good god chat are useless.

[@luk6662]

Apparently an Azeri diplomat told a german EU official to that his country was doing exactly what the Nazis did to jews but wifh Armenians.

[@skp8748]

😂😂😂😂

[@Alias_Anybody]

I feel like even some Asian slums have better aesthetics than the average US city.

[@sashalai3987]

Unironically i'd like a favelas view out of my Window rather than an american suburb

[@Alias_Anybody]

@@sashalai3987 I mean tbf, suburbs only cause the feeling of being trapped in a fever dream due to their copy&paste nature and endless sprawl. Individual houses when viewed in isolation on the other hand are usually bland as dirt but inoffensive. Stroads (4x as wide as a European road with the same capacity) with fast food chains and parking lots on the other hand are just ungodly ugly and completely indefensible.

[@jasonslade6259]

The American city aesthetic is "asphalt".

[@Nergal665]

Azerbaijan also wants to build the Zangezur Corridor along the Iranian border in the South to connect Azerbaijan to Nakchivan. This corridor will connect all of Azerbaijan (Armenia is surrounded by Azerbaijan on both sides) and connect them to Turkey by road. Aliyev will probably do it while Armenia is down. They will try to take a slice of Southern Armenia.

[@arrowslinger2460]

they will probably demand that as terms in exchange for a degree of autonomy of stepanekert. It is very unlikely they will apply further military pressure as most western policymakers are quite pleased that the conflict has remained within azerbaijans borders and appears to be diffused. It would be foolish to squander this victory, and goodwill with the west, by taking hostile action

[@raghavpatel720]

This conflict is the most complicated tangled wire I've seen because America and the EU (except France) supporting opposite sides, Iran and Israel for as awful as they are despising each other, it's such a mess.

[@Asenueh]

Sumgait, seen on the map of Azerbaijan, was one of the towns where Azerbaijan conducted a pogrom against Armenians after 1988. Baku and Kirovabad were two other places where Azerbaijan conducted pogroms against Armenians.

[@etienne8110]

Well if we are talking numbers don t forget to mention the 30k civilians armenians killed and the 700k they deported... Who s the bad guy now?

[@arrowslinger2460]

pales in comparison to the 700,000 azeris expelled from Armenia and the occupied territories, or the over 100,000 that were exterimanted during the war. All the violence started by an Armenian invasion. You can't polish that turd.

[@Coregame3]

​@arrowslinger2460 500k Armenians were kicked out of Azerbaijan btw. Plenty of massacres were committed against Armenians by Azerbaijanis too.

[@zillowed13]

@@arrowslinger2460 Pogroms happened first - and just like Armenians today those Azeris chose to leave

[@Bayard1503]

Yeah, you should ask yourself why it got to that, to pogroms after such a long tie of cohabitation... something very similar happened in 1990 in my country as well, seemingly out of nowhere. You can bet in both cases it was orchestrated by the KGB.

[@mujobosanac3877]

How come no one talked about genocide and intervention on Azeri people from Armenian forces in 90-is? It was oh it is really sad blah blah. West need same approach and same values for everyone not just for some and not others.

[@Coregame3]

Azeri forces were trying to annex NKAO in the 90s and deport Armenians like they did in Nakchivan.

[@tomgu2285]

Bosnia is serbian land

[@DoofyGilmore1299]

W*stoids are bunch of ignorant brain washed oxygen waste

[@noahkarpinski1824]

Vaush's framing of the conflict is really bad The reason that the republic of Artsakh exists is because of the soviet union, and it was created to ensure that theyd have a foothold in the region Russia isnt merely "playing peacemaker" its using the threats to armenia to further its geopolitical interests in the region. And that allience being self serving is why theyre so quick to cut Armenia loose whenever theye have a more pressing matter, like Ukraine

[@wordart_guian]

If it weren’t for the soviet union’s bordermaking policy nagorno karabakh would probably be a part of armenia

[@noahkarpinski1824]

@wordart_guian yeah, but they also didn't actually fix anything. NOW it might be part of Azerbaijan Their border making sucked. All they did was prevent them from fighting about it

[@arrowslinger2460]

@@wordart_guianWell until the red army invaded Azerbaijan after its independence from the Russian empire it was part of Azerbaijan. It also happens to be surrounded by azeri majority regions and had a notable azerbaijani minority population. It hasn't been part of an "armenia" since the Roman era

[@wordart_guian]

@@arrowslinger2460 after rome fell (1453) it remained in the principalty of khachen until 1603, then the armenian melikdoms of karabakh until the mid 18th century.

[@arrowslinger2460]

@@wordart_guianthey were part of persian/turkic empires during that entire period

[@223sushi]

The context of azeri's in Iran and outside is a bit complicated. As much as Azeri's identify themselves as Turks, they are most culturally related to the Other Iranian groups in the region and practice alot of Iranian cultural customs, not to mention that they were historically and currently are part of Shia Islam, and were the ones who Spread the faith throughout Iran. They were also an ethnic group that heavily involved, and Involves themselves in Iranian politics forming entire dynasties that opposed the Ottoman Turks, and lead alot of reformist political movements in history in the name of Iran. Even to this day, alot of Iranian politicians are Azeri, which includes Iran's current supreme leader who is half Azeri and half Persian, and is fluent in both languages. Azeri's are essentially a people who are considered to be half turk- half Iranians. The enmity that exists between the republic of Azerbaijan and Iran, stems from the fact that after the collapse of the soviet union and the rise of the Aliyev dynasty (the current dictators), the Aliyevs have essentially been whitewashing allot of the shared cultural History between Iranians' and the Azeri people, attempting to Turkify and purge any and all things associated with Iranians, even claiming some Iranian poets and historical figures as theirs and only theirs. Even religiously , they have suppressed the Shia faith and have been promoting Sunni Islam in their country. To add on top of that, the Aliyev's and the Azerbaijans have made no secret of their claim to the area's of Iran populated by the Azeri people living there. You can see why there is alot of resentment between the two governments. And to add an FYI, while the Azeri people of both countries want some sort of reunification, most Iranian Azeri's want the republic of Azerbaijan to join Iran, rather than the other way round which the Aliyevs in the republic of Azerbaijan want. Mainly because most Azeri people in Iran view Iran as their nation. And have been mainly against separatism, historically and currently. Despite this though, the government of Iran has still been very Itchy about this entire situation. There is more, I can talk about this situation, like how the area the republic of Azerbaijan exists was never called Azerbaijan, as historically the area was called Arran or Shirvan. The name change is only a recent thing, done under the soviets during WWII when they occupied the northern parts of Iran as a way to lay claim to the province of Iranian Azerbaijan. As you can see, the Aliyevs are using this to their advantage.

[@HeloisGevit]

Great post, also why it's idiotic whenever someone calls Iran "Persia" and reduces it to a single ethnic group. It would be like calling China the Han Republic or something.

[@tywinlannister]

I am living in Azerbaijan, and almost nothing you said was true.

[@afterhourscinema782]

"We should take Turkiye and *PUSH IT* somewhere else!!!"

[@mckenzie.latham91]

Would Russia be the Alaskan bull worm in this scenario?

[@zenmastakilla]

Turkey*

[@terrencebushell9588]

My friend who is a war correspondent and works for the US state department says he has never seen an ethnic conflict so viscous. He says they hate each other with a passion. he says he has seen russian and Ukrainians have a beer together, Israelis and Palestinians, indians and Pakistan's, saudis and Iranian get along at time but no one hates each other as much as Armenians and Azeris...

[@Seth9809]

What about Serbs and literally anyone else?

[@apgaismiba]

​@@Seth9809During Tito time there were lots of Ethnic Albanians and Serbs being friends amd having a beer. Because they had a good and solid policy about workijg together for a better state. The only reason why most hate Serbs and vice versa was because the violence against each other are very recent and dehumanizing. Remember, the war was so brutal and hell that UN and NATO had to intervine because the genocides and conceration camps simply would not stop.

[@carpedm9846]

"Turkey is bad in every way" Excuse you, we have great food.

[@zefft.f4010]

Also, cats. Lots of cats.

[@tomasjakovac7950]

And tea.

[@NiraSader]

2:04 what is this WW1 ass allegiance chart lmao

[@reidfann]

Theres literally a comment about Pakistans opinion on Armenia and Azerbaijan on the right side of the screen for the first half the video.😂

[@YonduGaming-qm9hv]

Deepak my fellow indian shiT face your contribution got ignored

[@jivkoyanchev1998]

It's not really true that the Soviets tried to represe the ethnic conflicts. In fact many of the modern ethnic conflicts in Eastern Europe and Central Asia are due to Soviet "divide and conquer" strategy. Be it Moldova, Georgia or the Nagorny Karabakh War.

[@reykomi6327]

Armenia had been trying to distance itself from Russia lately, up to and including sending the first lady with an unofficial but symbolically important visit to Ukraine recently. The reason Russia didn't actually use its 'peace-keeping' forces or care about Azeri forces killing 8 Russian soldiers isn't just because they're weak right now, but because they actually want Armenia to suffer and, if Russia is lucky, even change its leadership to a more pro-Russian one. The reason they had their 'peace-kerpers' there in the first place isn't so much to keep the two countries from fighting, but more so to have more leverage in the region.

[@claduperes8695]

You have it switched up. The reason why Armenia has gotten closer to the west is because Russia wouldn’t prevent Azerbaijans last incursion into Artsakh and even their own country despite being in CSTO.

[@emilchan5379]

Kinda the opposite. It is not that Russia is trying to "punish" Armenia, it is that Armenia is pivoting to the West because Russia is a useless ally. Armenia sees Russia as being too weak to do anything. Russia couldn't prevent the 2020 conflict from happening, and they sure didn't stop the most recent one. They haven't done anything despite Russian soldiers being killed by Azerbaijan, who also knows full well how toothless Russia is now.

[@Bayard1503]

Yeah, that's what Russians are saying now, that's how they're spinning it but the truth is that Russia didn't help Armenia at all in the previous conflict when Azerbaijan attacked, especially in 2022. Everyone can see that their entire army is in Ukraine so Armenia had no other choice than out of desperation to search for alternatives...

[@tasillk2824]

This is literally the only coverage I’ve seen of this from large online left figures…

[@skp8748]

Because there xenophobia would show

[@midnightmadness6344]

It’s cause the US and Russia are on the same side, they don’t know what to do. You can’t do America bad Russia good when they both agree on an issue.

[@Oldmanplum]

Vaush makes a common mistake in this video which is unfortunately quite important. Artsakh included not just Nagorno-Karabakh but also the surrnounding areas which were not orignally armenian majority. 750,000 azeris, kurds, and turkmen were ethnically cleansed by armenian forces in the 90s, which still remains the largest population transfer in the conflict even in light of current events

[@Emre_Kermen]

I believe only Nagorno Karabakh was Armenian majority.

[@seanwenstrom2202]

It doesn't matter. At some point the killing has to stop. Of course it's more complicated than just "Azerbaijan is doing an ethnic cleansing just cause they feel like it". Obviously. But not in a million years will I accept that the side besieging and starving out the civilian population of an area is in the right. Not even if they got there of foul means in the first place - which it must be noted, many did NOT. If the Azerbaijani government were insisting that Armenia or the provisional government of Artsakh reinstate the properties that those other ethnicities were driven out from, while careful only to target military and governmental targets, and guaranteeing the rights of civilians who lived there, maybe I'd be sympathetic to the cause. If my mother had wheels... None of that is happening here. They were starving cities, shelling civilians, blocking humanitarian aid, refusing to let anyone leave except by their own terms. This is a textbook ethnic cleansing. It is revenge and bloodthirst.

[@Coregame3]

500k armenians left azerbaijan btw

[@JohnSmith-tl3hf]

What happened to Armenians In nackichevan and sumgait and Baku. Don't play dumb

[@Emre_Kermen]

@@JohnSmith-tl3hf They fled due to rising ethnic tensions. Armenians fleeing Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis deported from Armenia are very different events. Armenians in Azerbaijan had time to prepare, take their belongings and had decent conditions leaving. Azerbaijanis and also all other ethnic minorities in Armenia were taken out of their beds at night, put a gun to their heads and were told to walk in winter. They were hunted down by Armenian gangs and army on their way. You cannot compare the two. All Armenians had a home ready when they arrived, left behind by Azeris. A lot of minorities deported from Armenia however lived in refugee camps for years.

[@RealmRabbit]

Y'know there were times when the Americans and Soviets cooperated during the Cold War... In 1957 there was a strange occurrence of an aurora around the Ural Mountains further south than usual... Due to the first ever large scale nuclear accident in history in Kyshtym Mayak... Soviets had a shit ton of gulag slaves working on their nukes with little care for safety precautions (between 1948 and 1958 over 17,245 got radiation overdoses and radiation seeped into rivers making people sick with radiation poison in nearby villages)... Shit ton of ppl got exposed to 570 milliSieverts when the yearly normal amount is 2-3... Many thousands of ppl got evacuated, farmers were told to kill their livestock and bury their crops and the government under Kruschev kept silent on it... Many people died with skin falling off and cancer and sickness... The US was aware of it due to interviewing someone in the immediate aftermath, and they kept quiet on it too... The Americans like the Soviets didn't want people to learn of the nuclear disaster and become panicked about the dangers of their cool new nuclear programs... The Soviets fortunately had a team of dedicated workers to clean up the radiation everywhere... Workers from the gulags who'd get awarded shorter sentences (or even pardons) and shorter lifespans as a reward for their work... These people were referred to as 'death squads' or 'death brigades' which says a lot about their future prospects after the clean up... Didn't clean up good enough though because in 1967 strong winds would spread radiation from Lake Karachay from the disaster and this would make a bunch more people sick with radiation poisoning... Bunch of villages got burned to the ground... For the CIA they were more interested in protecting the nuclear program than to make the Soviets look bad... In 1976 a biologist named Zhores Medvedev openly explained what happened and the US government worked to downplay what he was saying... Some fishermen in the area have reported catching fish with no eyes or no fins and staying there is still very much bad for your health... There's also this weird creature a woman showed up with known as the 'Kyshtym dwarf'... Supposedly a baby... Very weird... UFOlogists got ahold of it and disappeared... Anyway, I wouldn't suggest going to Kyshtym... Also in 2017 there was a plume of radiation sweeping into Europe from Russia, possibly due to another undeclared incident... Was supposedly relatively harmless, but far above the average amount... Also based on NGO soil samples this seems linked to the Kyshtym site, so it's possible they had a second nuclear disaster in the same place or something... Who tf knows, Russia isn't gunna say and the US if they know isn't gunna wanna talk about it probably...

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

They also tested a missile in 2019 that asploded after launch and caused a radioactive release.

[@jloiben12]

I remember the days when Russia would just [checks notes] LITERALLY blow up. Sometimes I wish history could repeat itself except for the fact that the last time Russia literally blew, it started the Great Dying

[@ineedapharmists]

Too much TNO

[@LetMeGetAUhhh]

I don't know why Vaush is so insistent on emphasizing the ISLAMIC aspect of Azerbaijan/Turkey when both countries are heretically secular by Muslim standards. Especially Azerbaijan, which is one of the least religious countries on earth. Religion has nothing to do with this conflict. An Islamic theocracy like Iran is supporting a Christian country like Armenia, while the Jewish state is allied with a majority Muslim country. It's all nationalism and geopolitics.

[@MasterGhostf]

Thats not really true. Turkey is a secular government but is very Islamic. It was mainly the Turk military enforcing the secularism on Turkey through their routine coups agains the popular islamic presidents/prime ministers.

[@jloiben12]

That meme is funny but Russia is on both sides, not just Armenia’s. Especially since 2020

[@tywinlannister]

Well, there is kinda no conflict since 2020, it is just Armenian armies getting railed by Azerbaijani army, only because Russia stopped defending Armenia.

[@maeschder]

Ive been an Armenian Nationalist since I discovered SOAD as a 12 year old in 2006

[@boomman1234g]

LIAR! KILLER! DEMON! BACK TO THE RIVER ARAS!

[@Nergal665]

@@boomman1234g Someone's blank stare deemed it warfare… Liar! Killer! Demon! Back to the River Aras.

[@aaronmarks9366]

Same for me, but age 19 in 2002.

[@pawelzybulskij3367]

Georgia is not quite pro-Russia, it is just one the most powerful oligarch Irakli Garibashvili who has ties with Russia, if we remove this guy out of the picture, Georgia will be on our side, then Georgia will help out us with logistics to get our troops to resolve the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict.

[@danielch6662]

Per capita GDP (nominal) in the Caucasus is about the same as ASEAN. Lower than Thailand, higher than Indonesia.

[@zkapsh]

25:25 This is when America reveals that they actually have star desrtoyers in space and start landing troops from space.

[@Gwest555]

Their church is the Armenian Apostolic Church

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

38:20 jumpscare warning

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

That Detroit building is basically just a Soviet block

[@radhatter2018]

Its not hard to justify stopping a genocide...

[@Solomon-pg4mf]

Armenia is Orhtodox, it’s just that it’s Oriental Orthodox rather than Eastern Orthodox

[@kanadashyuugo873]

28:20 At that time both Russia and China knew that the USA is in RIGHTOUS FURY mode and they were still too weak to draw the ire of an ACTUALLY FURIOUS USA (one which was last really seen in WW2, when THAT actually saved both of their statehood) and provided all support and access required

[@im4ft622]

I have autism

[@zhouyongkang5331]

same, bro

[@beveryamazed2178]

If the West has to take a stance on the Nagorno-Karabakh situation and I hope we don’t have to, we ought to stand with Armenia. For too long we tried to forget the genocide inflicted on them by Turkey for Turkey’s convenience. Even if we are to collectively recognise the Armenian genocide both in WW1 and now, Turkey will only continue to be two faced to the West anyway. Both Azerbaijan and Turkey are invasive Muslim countries trying to enforce Islamic ethno states on Europe’s eastern borders and not for the first time. We shouldn’t ignore this.

[@udon6031]

Too late. Everyone already left Karabakh. There's literally more russian soldiers left there than armenians

[@etienne8110]

Don t skip on the first karabagh conflict. From 1988 to 1994 armenia killed 30k Azerbaïdjan s civilians and deported 700k more... Thus you can understand that even if armenia was victim of a genocide in 1905, that doesn t excuse them from the one they recently done...

[@emilchan5379]

To be fair, Armenia has done its own share of ethnic cleansings. Just because you were the victim of genocide before, doesn't mean you get a free pass to do bad things to others in the future. Just look at Israel.

[@lasselippert3892]

there is no chance that the west will take any kind of meaningfull stance on N-K. And most likely not on Armenia/Azerbaijan in general. Unfortunately for Armenia, they are geographically and politically in the pits.

[@rollout2926]

​@etienne8110 what started the Armenian takeover of Karabagh? The slaughtering and cleansing by azerbejanis to the Armenian community who have lived in those mountains longer than any azerbaijani.

[@RealmRabbit]

I feel like economically (without looking into it) I view Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan as like... Similar to where the wealthier countries in Africa are at...

[@etienne8110]

More like south east Asia. So a bit less than the wealthier countries in Africa,but better than most african Countries. Talking gdp/hab.

[@thebordoshow]

Georgia can intervene as we are intervening in Ukraine, but we wont. We dont have the military to fight Russia (most don't) but we can stand on our own. We are staying neutral in this conflict because Armenia was supporting Russia during our conflict and many Armenian soldiers committed war crimes against Georgians during Russia Georgia war in Abkhazia. Also we have economic relationship with both Turkey and Azerbaijan. But we are willing to be neutral nation for negotiations

[@rollout2926]

The only reason Armenia was supporting Russia during the Georgian war because Armenias politicians leaders were all russian stooges at the time.

[@finleysales4957]

36:47 Melbourne (pronounced Melbern) is really nice, definitely worth a visit!

[@jamesyount2423]

That "GOOD MORNING!" legitimately jump scared me.

[@crushersbutlessedgynow]

Nobody referenced the clip yet? Are yall even vaushites?

[@heartsalive3157]

I support building a second holy land in the Mohave desert. You know so everyone gets a holy land.

[@SkyyShark]

wild how much of how this plays out could have been different if Russia and Ukraine weren't preoccupied right now. hope this can end as peacefully as possible.

[@ambiguousi9075]

The j in Azerbaijan is pronounced as in "jog".

[@aguspuig6615]

AzerbaiJogan?

[@recognizesealand572]

Azerbaijan and Turkey when they see an ethnic minority, is for me :3

[@nickhoffman9256]

On the very small brightside we should hopefully get some new SOAD out of this

[@davitdavid7165]

I am realy looking for a gerogia research stream. Having new eyes look over my country will be interesting

[@tylermech66]

Just gonna play Armenia in EU4 while I listen to this.

[@Coregame3]

I do too

[@tylermech66]

@@Coregame3 lol, Vaush is perfect leftist commentary while one plays games.

[@ItsMinarmy]

Nakhichevan is Armenian, Nagorno-Karabakh is Armenian - at least in theory, sad to see what's happening there

[@mogscugg2639]

Noah's Ark settled upon Mount Ararat. That's a mountain in the ARMENIAN Highlands, not the Azeri Highlands. G-d and Hayk are best bros.

[@SoulAir]

Who is that

[@PasserMontanus]

lol

[@user-jn7jf3kv6k]

Was it part of the Russian Armada?

[@danielch6662]

not yet.

[@user-jn7jf3kv6k]

@@danielch6662 Oh cuz I heard there were orcs and ziggers on the arc too.

[@ZHike360]

SOAD fans here?

[@jonathanbrooks354]

Wanting to look into them need recommendations

[@afterhourscinema782]

@@jonathanbrooks354 'Toxicity', the entire album is perfect. Not 1 bad song

[@strongbadman2]

@@jonathanbrooks354I like their first album a lot because it leans more towards heavy metal. Their newer song “genocidal humanoidz” goes hard as fuck and reminds me of that old album

[@NukaNikki]

🤘😎🤘

[@strongbadman2]

I’ve been listening to system of a down a fuck ton the past couple weeks. I go through phases like two times a year where I listen to nothing but them and then stop for a while

[@denisschulz3814]

Solution: Rojava invades Azerbaijan, frees Armenia, invades Turkey, frees the Kurds, invades Russia and frees Georgia AND ends the War on Ukraine.

[@AZECLANinSWITZERLAND]

Rojava is not even in the condition of taking Nakhichevan region from Azerbaijan🤣

[@soulbro55]

Azeris are not treated badly in Iran, what are you talking about vaush?

[@imnackeredsirnackered948]

Artsakh is a area that has been inhabited my Armenians for centuries however was given to the Azerbaijanis for God knows why by Stalin. Armenian's use to populate large areas across eastern modern-day turkey and the Caucasus however under Turkic expansion and under the ottoman empire their lands were populated by Turks and Kurds. It also does not end with Artsakh as Azerbaijan still has claims on Armenian proper territory and especially Syunik. Azerbaijan also have claimed that Armenia is just "western Azerbaijan" I think since the Armenian genocide the Armenian's are deeply fearful of Azeri's which they just call "eastern turks" and worry that their lands will in the future be invaded and taken by both turkey and azerbaijan.

[@TigranesM]

India supports Armenias territorial integrity in 2022 September Azerbaijan attacked Armenian sovereign territory that’s how India got in to the picture.India supplies weapons to Armenia,Pakistan on the other hand supports Azerbaijan

[@skp8748]

When😂😂

[@TigranesM]

@@skp8748 Do a little research instead of trolling

[@skp8748]

@@TigranesM I have. Now when and where did Azerbaijan attack Armenian territory

[@TigranesM]

@@skp8748 September 13 2022

[@jurgnobs1308]

and no, history is not the only reason turkey is in NATO. sadly, they are quite important because of their control of the black sea and their place in the middle east. and trhey have the second largest army in NATO. morally and ideologically, i absolutely agree turkey should be kicked out. but it's unrealistic because that would MASSIVELY strengthen russias position.

[@skp8748]

Sadly😂

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@skp8748 yes, sadly. it's a problem that we need to rely on scum like erdogan

[@valiantcashcow]

Okay serious question: so the Armenians are christian majority people with not enough political allies, and treated badly by everyone around them, having to fight for their land. That sounds eerily familiar. Why doesn't Armenia just do an open call that they welcome every Kurdish immigrant from all across the world with open arms and declare themselves to be a national safe haven for kurds that are willing to form a joint representative democracy with equal rights and constitutionally mandated representation for them? Wouldn't that in just a generation or 2 make neo-armenistan one of the most powerful economic and military nation states in the area with real geopolitical pull? Armenia has 3mil people right now and enough potential land and natural riches to house way more and kind of become a consensual peaceful version of Isreal but for kurds and other oppressed Christian minorities in iraq, syria, iran, turkey and Azerbaijan. I mean of course it would be complicated economically if lets say 2mil people in those countries sold everything they had and migrated into a relatively economically small nation, but i cant imagine that really leading to a worse outcome in the long run than both groups of people are experiencing in their respective situations right now and for the past decades.

[@Coregame3]

Kurds helped genocide Armenians.

[@user-qu9pv3ct6s]

You done bus it's already happened it's so Russian tech workers here and this is already making a lot of problems

[@deadboy9955]

26:06 A yikes take from vowsh. Georgia's military does regular exercises with NATO countries and the small arms equipment are of NATO origin. Even the Soviet aircraft were modernized to be able to carry NATO munitions. Culturally, Georgia never wanted to be a part of, or in any way related to - Russia. The past 2-3 centuries of Georgia's history has been trying to get rid of Russia from its soil. Vowsh would be correct on one account though, the current government has strayed away from its original pro-EU agenda into a pro-Russian one over the 12 years it has been in power.

[@sarahenchanted]

France has a large Armenian diaspora and they have strong diplomatic relations so that's likely the reason why they're breaking with the EU here

[@birdy-black]

Not to make light of the potential violence, i hope they are safe- but can you imagine this scenario in a total war pc game? Id just start a new file, what a mess.

[@nopeno162]

Thank you Vaush ❤❤❤❤

[@soulbro55]

Iran has already said they will not allow Azerbaijan to harm or take land from Armenia in any way shape or form.

[@lordjask1226]

You must listen to lions led by donkeys 😜

[@eobardthawne3333]

The best kind of change we can hope for is for Ukraine to go across that panhandle and border Georgia.

[@lordofvurgun187]

Vush's racism......

[@SS-yj2le]

One could have the US do the Afghanistan campaign again and go through there into the other stans and then across the Caspian to Azerbaijan.

[@themightymcb7310]

The armenian genocide was conducted mostly by the Ottoman Empire at the turn of the 20th century, which broke up after they lost WW1. The Ottoman Empire was run by the Ottoman Turks, so modern day Turkey is the closest thing to the modern day Ottoman Empire.

[@MishaAmashukeli]

Wow you're so incompetent about this thing :| at least just read the wikipedia article...

[@Helperbot-2000]

26:55 BOY do i have good news for you!

[@oksamuel]

Armenia is also the ancestral home of the greatest living violist, Kim Kashkashian. Check our her music and thank me later.

[@jurgnobs1308]

I think the thing you are a bit wrong about is russia. they don't just side with armenia because they want to avoid the conflict. it's also in their interest because azerbaijani gas and oil has massively underminded russias position in the ukraine war becasue it helped making sanctions by the EU possible.

[@wamingo]

A theory suggested Pootin wanted to invade Azerbaijan after Ukraine. It would lock down the Caspian Sea and block AZ, Kazakhstan etc oil/gas to Europe. If Georgia and Armenia tilts towards the west, it may be 'easier' or at least more profitable to just invade AZ.

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@wamingo i don't know about that. I don't think they would be the likely next target. I think armenia and georgia would have been more likely because they were working on improving relations to the west but right now, if putin could destroy azerbaijan, he definitely would. strategically, Azerbaijan delivering gas to europe is a big problem for putin I mean, we can't really know. there are easily half a dozen countries that woukd have been in direct threat if ukraine would actually have lost quickly.

[@wamingo]

@@jurgnobs1308 The theory is unusual but AZ has also tried to create better relations with the west. AZ army isn't massive. Only russia has a navy in the Caspian. AZ has turbulent history with the soviets... . RU obviously wants to turn off energy to Europe. They turned off NordStream. They turned off a pipeline to Kazakhstan who then had to reroute to AZ. What is Wagner's purpose In Libya if not to maybe control the oil there? Their intervention in Syria has ended the idea of pipelines through the country. Organise coup in Niger to stop uranium to France. Maybe it's all coincidental and I'm being conspiratorial, but what would serve putin better than to have effective monopoly on energy to Europe?

[@jurgnobs1308]

@@wamingo well yea, i guess he shoukd have invaded AZ before ukraine. the war would probably look quite different then. well, good thing he didn't

[@danb.755]

Wonder who Tankies support here

[@minecrashinhard]

Russia, Iran, and India want to secure a land bridge between Russia and the Indian ocean for gas trade as India currently buys a lot of Russian gas and Russian had to take that through the Suez canal. Russia has gotten through Georgia and next they either need to go through Azerbaijan or Armenian

[@ouwebrood497]

This was really interesting. Also, Geogia was kind of in the same place in 2008 as is Ukraine right now, where the self proclaimed republics of Abkhazia and South Ossetia play kind of the same role as the east Ukrainian self proclaimed republics. The Russians invaded Georgia when Georgia tried to fix the problem with South Ossetia. It was however a little different in the sense that Georgia quite obviously was the agressor with regard to South Ossetia, because they went in quite firm with their army. All that said, Georgia mostly has the sympathy from Western Europe. I think a landing over the black sea in Georgia (not in Abkhazia though, because most of Georgia's coast is actually in Abkhazia) could kind of work. Maybe it's even more of a question from which harbour the troops should come, since Bulgaria is quite Russia minded, Romania is an odd country (albeit NATO). Maybe the best route is by Poland and Ukraine, I don't know.

[@MainerMMA]

I enjoy learning about history. But a lot of the extreme takes really take me away from the channel. Happens with right leaning content too. Everyone is so hateful towards each other for just being on the other team. I get it’s hot topics and not everyone will be friends of even like each other but it seems like it’s counterproductive at this point.

[@PenguinEconomics-st2ws]

Respectfully I don't think generalisations like this help. We're talking about people's lives here, if you believe in freedom you should support a people's right to self-determine. You can be a griller if you want but let's not reduce this to blue team or red team.

[@tenchimuyo69]

The glorious Kazakh fleet is apparently 14 patrol boats. Unfortunately, the Azerbaijan fleet has 13... but also submarines and a frigate. The frigate alone would probably sink Kazakhstan's entire fleet in that wacky hypothetical.

[@azerashirov1897]

Kazakhstan is our brother country 😂🇦🇿

[@Vaishino]

Chat really told him they aren't orthodox christianity. "They're Eastern Christian" like yeah dingus that's what the orthodoxy is Edit: please I beg of you look up the Oriental Orthodox Church. Armenian Apostolic Church adopted the umbrella term in the 60s, I'm sick of replying to people

[@tonywoutrs]

Ortodoxy is eastern but not vice versa. Armenians are Apostolic, they've their own religious head and all.

[@duskpede5146]

coptics and orthodox christians are different, armenia is coptic

[@leoskini]

Armenia is Oriental Orthodox, of which copts are a branch.@@duskpede5146

[@MrGksarathy]

They're not part of the Eastern Orthodox Church, though. They do their own thing.

[@MrGksarathy]

​@@duskpede5146Armenia isn't Coptic. That's specifically Egyptian. Armenia is its own specific denomination.

[@q-tip9962]

So, we have Armenian Genocide 2: Electric Boogaloo

[@arrowslinger2460]

they started the war though

[@q-tip9962]

@@arrowslinger2460 Which side are you saying started it? This topic is extremely complicated so forgive me if I can't remember if it's pepe or sylvia.

[@arrowslinger2460]

@@q-tip9962 War erupted when Armenian forces invaded azerbaijan backing separatists and occupying 20% of the country. Since then there has been a ceasefire until the Azeris recently drove them out.

[@q-tip9962]

@@arrowslinger2460 Okay, did the Armenian soldiers attack citizens?

[@arrowslinger2460]

@@q-tip9962 Yep. Violence against citizens was perpetrated by both sides, but in this conflict the bulk of the damage was committed against the Azerbaijani residents of NK and the occupied territories. 700,000 were expelled from the occupied territory and 100,000 of the Azeris in the occupied territories were killed. 20% of the country was fully depopulated and replaced by settlers.

[@Harut4]

Dude his explanation of Russia's role in this conflict is soooooo wrong.

[@vladsky44]

This was so painful to watch.

[@arrowslinger2460]

why? As far as frozen conflicts go this resolution seems to have been resolving better than most. The internationally recognized borders of both nations are being respected and the victorious side has made a big show out of extending an arm to the population. Its worth waiting to see whether they hold up to their commitments before freaking out.

[@Coregame3]

@@arrowslinger2460 it's bad because virtually no Armenians exist in Nakchivan and now Karabakh, two regions that had Armenian presence since antiquity. Not to mention the innocent civilians dying on both sides.

[@arrowslinger2460]

@@Coregame3 I sincerely hope the Aliyev regime lives up to their promises regarding the existing Armenian population in NK. Thus far they have not been expelled and allegedly are going to be granted some sort form of government support. Armenia used to be full of Azeris as well and now they have literally none. The same goes for the Armenians of Baku. It is sad.

[@mgerdes0331]

Don't forget Turkey denies the Armenian genocide.

[@skp8748]

Because it didn't happen

[@user-lj1lz9pp4e]

Not only that they are trying to accuase kurds of doin it but only turks did that

[@samuelbarber5097]

23:37 vaush, azerbijan doesn't have nuclear weapons. russian can threaten that as always.

[@azerashirov1897]

As Azerbaijan we give up to explain anything 😂. Also Azerbaijan not muslim country. Enough claiming us as muslim!! 🇦🇿🇦🇿

[@stevenhake7500]

Russia opened the flood gates of changing lines on maps.

[@mehrone]

Azerbaijan are shia Turkish are sunni

[@AZECLANinSWITZERLAND]

Azerbaijan is secular country, on the paper we're religious but not factually

[@mckenzie.latham91]

The best part is that Aremnian civillains are fkeeing the area now Ajerbajan holds it Meaning that everyone who knows how to keep everything functioning is keaving So Aberjan is saying it does not want Armenians to flee.

[@chriscryer7087]

No one gonna point out how Armenia ethnically cleansed the area in the first war in the 90s?..

[@II-ur4oh]

He literally said that.

[@jomo9454]

I wanna say a good thing about Turkey - to win the greatest person awards you need to have the biggest heart for animal welfare especially any animals living around you with cats occupying a top tier, dogs are kinda up there but some people aren't too thrilled with dogs but they do have a soft spot for animals generally speaking. At least that I have known.

[@jomo9454]

I bet they treat animals better than in the U.S., but that's not really a high bar to clear, I must admit. And it's good to make cats top tier because they're cleaner than most animals and will help with mice & rats which are very important factors in cities. @@EllaKarhu

[@ProEray]

Well, as a Turk I can tell you that majority of people want stray dogs to get collected and there are serious issues with them as some of them are really violent and attack people. Since the government isn't able to take care of them, people in Turkey does. And when they don't give food, the dogs become hungry and blood thirsty. So... It is not great to have these much of stray dogs if you have an unwilling and incompetent government. Noone has a problem with cats though in general.

[@VlogSquadders]

Vish

[@tovialbores-falk3091]

Coming

[@im4ft622]

Ins

[@spankyballs3084]

Vaush you un ironically say un ironically way to often dude