The Vikings and White Supremacy

[@Master_Blackthorne]

J. R. R. Tolkien was proud of his German heritage but despised the Nazis calling Hitler a "bloody ignoramus." When asked by a German publisher if he was "Aryan" he said that he wasn't Indian.

[@TheWelshViking]

And said he’d have been proud to be Jewish! Legend.

[@scouttyra]

He seems to have been an absolute legend! Fun fact, he was very disappointed with the Swedish translation of LOTR (although there's a newer one that is more accurate nowadays)

[@TheWelshViking]

@@scouttyra Now I didn't know that! Out of interest, do you know what was so disappointing to him?

[@scouttyra]

@@TheWelshViking iirc it was kind of abridged, had changed names, and had other details changed

[@Wirrn]

@@TheWelshViking I mean the dude was a hardcore language nerd who came up with Middle Earth as a side hobby to explain his made up conlangs. I for one would be terrified of doing a worthy translation of his work, even if I weren't hopeless at languages. Even today I feel his ghost would appear and offer corrections if anyone messed up :D

[@Lenna27boef]

My viking reenactor group have had some runins with neo-nazis who had suddenly turned up, hoping to find some fellow nationalists. We have now established an exact code of conduct for those occasions: We all turn our backs and ignore them at any cost. If they try to move further into our camp, we make a wall of turned backs. They are not welcome, but they are not worth our violence, either. Our fists are reserved for fighting each other, in trust and friendship. :)

[@LadyDragonbane]

I love this! 😁

[@Thewolverine0865]

Human shield wall.

[@jasonbolding3481]

that's the tactic people, namely Jewish groups, took against George Lincoln Rockwell father of American Neo nazis. They would use silent treatment and quarantine him, denying him the headlines he wanted for recruitment (no different than modern alt-right). It was effective for the most part

[@friedlemons5201]

stay based, kings

[@elizabethmcglothlin5406]

Bravo!

[@analogrhymes]

"The Chinese don't have any culture" Me watching during the Chinese New Year before taking a sip of my tea: Ok Yikes

[@TheWelshViking]

Right?!

[@analogrhymes]

@@TheWelshViking Wonderful video btw. So glad your channel was recommended.

[@Master_Blackthorne]

True, but you must appreciate some Chinese waiters are very rude to non-Chinese. Which is why I prefer sushi.

[@analogrhymes]

@@Master_Blackthorne This is what your 6th grade English teacher would call... "Off topic"

[@Master_Blackthorne]

@@analogrhymes And this is what YOUR 6th grade English Teacher would call being a smart aleck before sending you to the principal's office.

[@andrewwhelan7311]

In the words of Tolkien,.' Welsh is of the soil, this island, the senior language of the men of Britain, and Welsh is beautiful . Tolkien drew heavily on ancient indigenous history and mythology when writing Lord of the rings.

[@renata_of_the_craft]

Tolkien also based many of his LotR characters on names found in Norse mythology, just one example, Gandalf is an 'Alf' mentioned early on in both Poetic and Prose Eddas. Alfs have traditionally been translated as dwarfs, just as others have been called giants, in order to make distinctions between races other than humans within the Old Norse belief system.

[@NBDYSPCL]

@@renata_of_the_craft iirc Gandalf has a lot of similarotoes with Odin thematically.

[@hoppytoad79]

One of the Elven languages--Quenya or Sindarin; I forget which--was based on Welsh (the other on Finnish).

[@kitfinn4266]

Fun fact - in the early drafts of The Hobbit the chief dwarf was called Gandalf and the wizard was called Bladorthin. This did not change until he got his characters to Laketown.

[@erinrising2799]

I could watch you call out Nazis and racist for hours

[@TheWelshViking]

Oho! A dangerous suggestion ;)

[@daved2352]

A video looking at dumb white supremacist merch and calling out their incorrect use of runes would be fun.

[@wegood563]

Cultural Marxist detected

[@beth12svist]

I'm not sure I could bear much more of it, just because of all the ugly, but I have to confess, I periodically return to this video for the good feels of catharsis. I'm Czech, I grew up with the shadow of that history hanging over a lot of things. Lots drilled into us in school. Very very depressing books you had to read. Listening to Holocaust survivors in person. Family rumours that great-grandfather may have successfuly hidden a Jewish ancestry (vaguely supported by the fact one of my uncles got repeatedly mistaken for a local on business trips to Israel). Having the roots of that ideaology mercilessly mocked and torn into shreds is, I'm finding out, exactly the right kind of antidote if you're not actually a victim of something but have had the shadow of it looming over you your whole life.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

@@TheWelshViking Could you do a video on D.P Moran. I feel he was also a founding father of modern ethno nationalism. While he admired Douglas Hyde’s work (Douglas Hyde was an Irish speaker and writer) he openly stated only Catholics could be considered Irish meaning Irish protestants and Jews and nowadays Hindus,Buddhists, Sikh’s and Muslims as well. I feel he inspires a lot of the shite John Waters and Gemma O’ Doherty and Co spout. He also railed against Jazz music and international sports.

[@hoegild1]

What a wonderful rant! As a Dane i get a headache, when my ancestors is described as 3 meters tall yellow haired berserkers, that drag women out of burning houses, and drink mead from curved horns... you just got a subscriber.

[@greenjack1959l]

And that's just the women...

[@Tina06019]

@@greenjack1959l hahaha

[@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533]

They were tall and blonde-haired.

[@JackgarPrime]

@@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533 Well they weren't tall. At least not compared to today. On average they were about 5 and a half feet tall for males and 5 feet for females. Granted, everybody was short in the past, so they may still have been tall compared to their European neighbors. Modern people are practically giants compared to their relevant ethnic ancestors.

[@jurikurthambarskjelfir3533]

@@JackgarPrime They were tall for the time

[@kendalljennings3417]

So I’m really glad to see this, being interested in Ancient Germanic and Celtic cultures, I came across another channel awhile back, it was interesting at first, then I started noticing weird little insinuations and implications being thrown in that seemed irrelevant to the subject matter..... so your channel is such a relief!

[@Tina06019]

I bet I know which channel you are talking about. I watched a bunch of his videos but those weird little insinuations...Ja, pretty gross.

[@obcl8569]

@@Tina06019 very telling that I also am pretty sure I know which channel is being referred to. I'd be willing to bet I know who we all mean. So either that channel is as outrageous as i slowly discovered it to be OR there are loads of these channels around lol Sadly, both distinct possibilities.

[@Tina06019]

@@obcl8569 @obcl - yes, it was a disturbing shock when I realized what that other guy was really all about. My own ethnic background is northwestern European, British and Scandinavian, and I find that history interesting (not surprisingly). So nice to find Jimmy’s channel, where I can truly enjoy the content.

[@vanefreja86]

@@Tina06019 who?

[@waltonsmith7210]

Survive the Jive?

[@Arianddu]

For as long as people have played lutes, there have been jokes about how much time lutenists spend keeping them in tune. As a player of lutes, I can affirm that anyone voluntarily playing a lute with that many strings is certifiably bonkers, after playing if not before. Just remember folks, friends don't let white supremecists play stringed instruments.

[@TheWelshViking]

*Adds the word lutenists to mental lexicon*

[@Arianddu]

@@TheWelshViking It sounds so much more dignified and not-at-all silly compared to the analogous flute-flautist. Who could ever be wooed by a lautist? (BTW, linguistic trivia for you - the term used to be flutist, until some mid-century Victorian decided that flutist didn't sound nearly important enough for a professional musician and stuck an 'a' in the word to make it look more impressive. Makes the concept of a lautist even more silly - lutes and pomposity do not mix. You can't spend a minimum of 40% of your playing time tuning an instrument and be pompous. That's just Trump levels of silly.)

[@kyrella_xyz]

@@Arianddu I have picked up bodhran recently. Who am I now? :-)

[@Loweene_Ancalimon]

@@kyrella_xyz bodhran can be finicky, but lute is even more ! :D

[@Loweene_Ancalimon]

@@Arianddu oh man... As a non-native speaker, I HATE the word flautist. Doesn't make any sense. Sounds bad. Looks bad. As to the tuning... There is something very amusing to sitting on a stage or in a church in dead silence between two pieces, while listening to the "ploing ploing ploing" of the theorbist tuning their first bass string from F to F#.

[@Rune_Scholar]

As a distraught Heathen/pagan reconstructionist, I feel that this needs to be reinforced after the whole Q Shaman buffalo horn guy.

[@TheWelshViking]

Little vid tomorrow will also be reinforcing this sentiment!

[@sachawilliams7731]

I don't think he was trying to be a viking though. It seems he was more on a boston tea party type trip. They dressed up as natives back then. That's why he had a buffalo head on, maybe.

[@kinuuni]

@@sachawilliams7731 He had norse tattoos.

[@gentlerat]

@@sachawilliams7731 shaman is technically a Siberian term. But I doubt cultural understanding is his strong point.

[@cindyj5522]

@@sachawilliams7731 no...he was a Viking wannabe and he has a bunch of mental health issues. but I'm sure the whitewing gunbillies in American loved it. even they have their clown performers.

[@nathanarmstrong7636]

I lived with some friends who were highly intelligent. They spoke 3 languages each, and they were still under the impression that vikings equal nazi. It is up to all of us to make sure our heritage is not condemned for what some idiots did. Love your videos. Thanks

[@veronicajensen7690]

what you mean is they were educated as in they went to school for along time, that does not mean they were intelligent at all, sorry to say, if they were intelligent they would have investigated the claim before speaking nonsense that they copied from social media

[@VikingVet]

Oh look, you just covered 70% of my MA Thesis. Thanks for that.

[@73North265]

I did some of the post-excavation work on one of the Norse settlements in Greenland for my Master Thesis, and I was lucky enough to be involved with a TV documentary series (sadly my speaking parts were cut for 700 year old dead pubic lice, which not many people can say). A while ago I foolishly looked up the documentary on KZbin and foolishly looked in the comment section...oh my God! The work essentially postulated that the Norse failed to adapt to the Little Ice Age which led to the loss of the settlement. As the contemporary Inuit settlements did survive, this triggered the White Supremacists who desperately were trying to debunk the data (as if Carbon 13 isotope analysis cares about ethnicity). My particular favourite was that we were all dubbed as left-wing liberal trying to do down the superior Norse - I had to laugh as some of the team's political views were somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan in some areas!

[@cindyj5522]

mummified pubic lice...?? just goes to show us that in the end, Norse or otherwise, the bugs will survive us all.

[@marcusfridh8489]

in an archeological vikingage site in sweden they found one irish bishopsstaffs head, an indian buddha statuette and arab diram coins. in fact there has been found more 10th century diram coins in sweden from the bagdad caliphate than in all of the arabian peninsula. And there has been found Native american genoma on iceland from the origins of a woman living in the 10th century. they traded and married and took cultural inspiration from everywhere, as long as they could trade with people.

[@TheWelshViking]

Evidence? Sure! www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2688-8

[@ronimausanti9625]

The Irish bishop's staff is extremely predictable though. Where else could such an object come from

[@BigMrFirebird]

Quite a bit of that trade was slavery though, which takes some of the lustre of their achievements.

[@cindyj5522]

@@BigMrFirebird And is also proof of a more mixed heritage than many people, including some commenting here, wish to acknowledge.

[@rustyshackleford735]

@@finnwraith5319 you're an American that cosplays as a Finnish person only to go around spewing convoluted, made up, ahistorical garbage. It's no surprise you can't accept reality.

[@MBlacklaw]

I've heard at least one Viking anthropologist give the opinion that the Vikings thought much more in terms of status, wealth, honor, reputation, etc. It's believed they considered the Inuit to be "wretched" because they had no silver or gold, wore leather waterproofed with animal grease (at least when at sea), and had small hide boats. They had nothing the Vikings considered wealth. So they were "wretched" in the sense that an orphan in White Chapel would be considered wretched by some Victorian toff.

[@kinuuni]

The vikings were brutal pirates from countries with a strict caste society. There was an entire slave class. Racist though? Not so much.

[@anthonychrisbradley]

Definitely a few “Viking” youtubers that need to see this 👀👀👀

[@johannageisel5390]

The. Golden. One.

[@anthonychrisbradley]

@@johannageisel5390 yes and his pal, who is a little more crypto and took me a few videos to figure out his agenda.

[@johannageisel5390]

@Scott Johnston I hope you get replaced soon.

[@johannageisel5390]

@Scott Johnston Having a couple more children than somebody else is not ethnical cleansing.

[@johannageisel5390]

@james mclean As I already told your buddy (or your second account): Genetically, we're all just Neanderthals and Homo sapiens hunter-gatherers from Africa, mixed with East Anatolian farmers and animal herders from the Pontic Steppe (that's north of the Black and Caspian seas). So, why freak out about some more genes being thrown into the mix? Or are you unsatisfied with not being a purebred Neanderthal anymore?

[@Cookie_85]

Hollywood doesn't make things easier with there depictions of Vikings or even other germanic tribes. Just look at the depictiction of the Saxons in the Clive Owen King Arthur movie.

[@muhammadeisa1459]

I wish films would be more nuanced. That would make me appreciate the art of cinema more.

[@spiritmuse]

I kept thinking of those old exotic animal drawings that were hilariously inaccurate because they were made by people who had never set foot anywhere near those animals and were drawing them based on vague descriptions and hearsay. And then if someone took those outdated drawings and put them together in "The Definitive Book of Animals", that people keep referring to, taking its drawings as truth even though new, more accurate knowledge about these animals has been discovered and continues to be discovered. Wonderful video. Amazing work. Thank you for making it.

[@LizCapism]

The song at the end is what I'm here for. But also, crushing nazi illusions. That too.

[@LizCapism]

@peter johnston David Coleman is a piece of shit eugenicist. And also: why is his "prediction" a problem? Seriously, explain to me why being an ethnic minority is a problem.

[@SnappyDragon]

@peter johnston Want to explain to us *in detail* why that would be a bad thing? You'll do just such a marvelous job of proving Jimmy's point. I'll wait.

[@johannageisel5390]

@peter johnston Genetically, we're all just Neanderthals and Homo sapiens hunter-gatherers from Africa, mixed with East Anatolian farmers and animal herders from the Pontic Steppe (that's north of the Black and Caspian seas). So, why freak out about some more genes being thrown into the mix? Or are you unsatisfied with not being a purebred Neanderthal anymore?

[@johannageisel5390]

@Italo-Celtic Oh, yeah, that's right. Actually, Middle and West Europeans are even more mixed and have everything in their genes that has come from the East and South between antiquity and today. Europe really became a shithole due to all those immigrants. I mean, just look how bad we're doing compared to all the other continents.

[@LizCapism]

@Italo-Celtic SnappyDragon does belong to an ethnic minority that is "resented" by a lot of people as you so eloquently put it. And did you seriously just say that you wouldn't want to be an ethnic minority because they're discriminated against? *Who do you think is discriminating against them?* That's like saying "I don't want to be stung by bees because it looks really awful for the people I threw beehives onto."

[@gozerthegozarian9500]

Brilliant video! Thing is, there isn't even one unified German culture *today* if one wanted to be nitpicky...when I travel too far south-wards (or north-wards, for that matter...) from my native region of Germany, I can barely communicate with the locals and their food seems a bit strange, LOL! The Bavarians call squirrels "oak-cats" for heaven's sake, it isn't right!

[@TheWelshViking]

Oak-cat! That's my new favourite fact!

[@ca19ro]

Tbh it's more like "oak-kitty" & it is wonderful bc it gives u the possibility of making others try to pronounce it correctly o.O

[@sisuguillam5109]

I mean.. that is the absolutely brilliant thing about Germany, isn't it? We are a hodge-podge of dialects and cultural expressions. May I recommend Germania by Simon Winder for those who would like to read up on how utterly fragmented (in good and bad ways) 'german' culture is.

[@ELCinWYO]

The word for squirrel is one of the best examples of the difference in German! Me? I was up in Friesland and can't understand a Bavarian at all!

[@HumanistGordian]

You need only to look at the map, the migrations from the east to west and north to south and vice versa went through Germany the Rhein , Elbe, Donau where the main shipping lines in the antique and earlier and are used till this day. Pure logic says that there has been several peoples passing through, migrants and war hoards. Our dialects are a good example bavarian is a good one but just go up north friesian is a language on its own but if you listen to it, you'll find a lot of English sounding words in there. A german can not understand friesian. So this myth of a German Arian super white guy stereotyp is false. As a german myself it saddens me that a lot of people haven't learned of our mistakes and crimes against humanity. And I say our mistakes and crimes cause I identity as german it's my home country and it has its past, as it luckily has a future .

[@friendly_selkie]

Sooo... my mom is a story-teller in Germany and has done a lot of research on the Brother's Grimm. Very important: They were story collectors!!! Not writers! There's a big difference between "Kunstmärchen" (no proper translation, means basically intentionally written and published fairy tales) and oral tradition fairy tales! The two famous brother Grimm's were were linguists and started a dictionary (only getting to the letter D), and they collected stories, they did not write them. Some of their most influencial informants were women and children they knew (The one I remember was a like 11 year old girl named "Malchen Schnipp dich" - Mellie blow your nose - who really liked horror stories). The first couple editions of the Brother Grimm fairytales are really odd, there are so many "Gruselmärchen" (horror fairy tales but funny?), for example one about two sauseges where the blood saucage tries to k*ll the liver sausage it invited for lunch? So weird! That one got cut by the editors for later versions. I don't know about their ideology of the unified Germany, but that is probably me forgetting information... Sorry, if I'm wrong, this is literally from memory and information I learned years ago. The translations might also not quite make sense, I tried... Also this comment is very late, somebody else might have pointed this out ages ago

[@cindyrosser2471]

When I was working on my history master's degree, my fellow sufferers and I would get together over some beers and bitch about our professers, our class loads, the usual student complaints but we also would play a game of "who would you kill if you could go back in time." I think I now know who your nominee for a time travelling assassin hit man to off would be. BTW one of my major papers was on the US Immigration Act of 1924 which was heavily influenced by the Eugenics movement. Herbert Spencer has a lot to answer for in my opinion.

[@snazzypazzy]

Totally right! And the US eugenics ideology and official programs were a major inspiration for the nazi party and their official programs. Seriously, if you inspire nazi's it time to take a good long look in the mirror and see what's the cause of that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics_in_the_United_States#Influence_on_Nazi_Germany

[@andgordo558]

Alternative title: Jimmy rants about a bunch of mega losers for 20 minutes

[@euansmith3699]

I think that the correct term is, "MEGA LOSERS!!!!" :D

[@anonaccount3027]

Aristotle and brothers Grimm are mega losers? wow you wokesters have lost your minds

[@RowanWiccae]

@@anonaccount3027 define 'wokesters.' that's a bastardization of the term I haven't heard yet. Can you find me the definition for that? I'm very curious about who invented it.

[@davidnickels1639]

The unfortunate resurgence in American white nationalism (I use that phrasing because that’s where I live) and it’s all too common association with Norse/ Viking culture is exactly why I haven’t pursued my desire to enter this reenactment world. Mostly just in fear that I would be assumed as a white nationalist. Just the other day I heard some nasty racial comments at a local (Texas) renaissance festival being spewed by a group of idiots dressed as Vikings…I just don’t want to be associated with that.

[@cbowd]

It's what kept me out of reenactment in this area, despite a strong interest in history and historical clothing, and a desire to dig into my Swedish ancestry more. When I realized the white nationalist obsession with this stuff I had instant memories of telling people I did Santa Lucia Day with my parents a kid and getting made fun of for it, or being told I was lying. Unfortunately, even non-Nazis often see Scandinavian anything as the whitest of white, and black people are not allowed to touch that...even if it's their own history.

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

Why are you so scared of being called something if you know in your heart of hearts that you’re not? Why would you give others that much power over you and your interests and hobbies?

[@AmaltheaVimes]

This is why we can't have nice things. Crazy people take the fun out of everything : (. So many examples of 'regular' things being then taken over and completely turned around.

[@joellaz9836]

I like how Houston Chamberlain tried to publish some of his pro-German writings in Britain during World War I, they published it under the title of ‘the ravings of a renegade.’

[@TheWelshViking]

Amazing.

[@caspian8650]

If everyone had my taste in music, Jimmy's viking song would be charting.

[@eazy8579]

Absolute banger

[@TreeHairedGingerAle]

"Viking sandwich everyday" is a certified bop! ✨💃🏾🕺🏻

[@lynn858]

"Romantic Nationalism" ... I get what youtube is trying to do, and rules are rules. But making it so that people who may curious about, but not radicalized into white supremacy, are less likely to find videos explaining why racial hatred is not actually well grounded in the history and aesthetic it's borrowing from... It's nice to have the reassurance that the ideals of an interesting civilization were not hateful ones, but...

[@TheWelshViking]

Yeah, it made me a little grumpy when I realised, but hopefully people will still be able to find it :(

[@GallowglassVT]

To coin a phrase that's become popular among anti-fascist; there are no Nazis in Valhalla.

[@Liam-kl1sw]

No frith for facists

[@Liam-kl1sw]

@@n0rth426 ok bro

[@anonaccount3027]

@@n0rth426 tis true, and forget having a mature conversation with leftwing fascists. They abhore facts and science.

[@jackholloway1]

I've always thought this saying is a bit silly. Why would gods ban brave human warriors from Valhalla because of their political views? I can't imagine metaphysical beings caring about material things like human political beliefs, there's nothing I've in the Eddas that would bar a Nazi who died bravely at Stalingrad say from going to Valhalla.

[@Liam-kl1sw]

@@jackholloway1 because Nazis have abandoned frith. In the Norse faith, living a frith-less life makes you dishonourable and therefore unworthy of Valhalla.

[@TheOneAndOnlyLoaf]

Cheers m8. I’m really interested in Norse history iconography, and culture and it’s nice to know they were truly far more multicultural than some white facists would have you believe

[@judyofgaul6488]

I wish people would grasp the reality that there is no such thing as "Pure" anything. People have been living and loving each other since forever. Just like there is no such thing as the " Golden Age" . truly enjoy your show!

[@alexdunphy3716]

Modern genetics says other wise. The current projection of "diversity and multiculturalism" onto the past is mostly political fantasy

[@phoenixfritzinger9185]

Those guys from Germany reminds me of that one kid that we all had in middle school, just replace Wagner with Naruto and Germany with Japan What a bunch of Weebs

[@DoinItforNewCommTech]

Oh, he was absolutely a Germanic weeaboo :D Germaboo?

[@normalin1stofhisname]

@@DoinItforNewCommTech Ragnarookies

[@UmiHatake]

🤣🤣😂😂

[@Butterflier00]

DeutscheBoo

[@anblueboot5364]

@@DoinItforNewCommTech naaah there's a 90% chance those people are Wehraboo beside wanting to be from nordic desandance also believe in the military superiority of the Wehrmacht lol

[@franciselrojo2922]

Stumbled here during a late night rabbit hole reading about white supremacist neopaganism, and you, sir, have earned yourself this subscriber.

[@jdoe7252]

It's even more fun when you dive the myth. Most all of the Norse pantheon is halfbreed. Thor's mom? Jotun. Tyrs parent's? Jotun. Loki? Genderfluid and of at least half Jotun parents. Kvasir is literally born of the merging of two tribes. Othinn himself is Jotun on both sides. Fuck your "racial purity" all the way from the roots to the leaves. Go north and down. Also, thank you OP for an informative video. Great content

[@e.urbach7780]

Great content! Also, singing to/talking to/threatening the uncooperative computer at the end is so relatable!

[@TheWelshViking]

Oh, it gets serenaded most days to appease its machine spirit!

[@rateeightx]

7:42 As a Jew, I can confirm we actually did invent China, Because beforehand we didn't have anything to eat on Christmas because all the restaurants were closed, So we had to invent China so as not to starve.

[@master_illitrix]

😂

[@ColoradoStreaming]

Severely underrated comment right here.

[@archaeogremlin]

I'm revisiting this video as research-adjacent procrastination while working on a term paper about how the legacy of nazis (mis)using archaeology for propaganda and it really is scary how much continuity there is between Chamberlain's disgusting ideas and pseudoarchaeology today. Thanks for taking one for the team and reading the primary sources (such as they are) on this one Jimmy; it's the stuff of nightmares.

[@calipigeon]

I know you made this comment two years ago but I’m very interested in deep diving into this link between pseudo archaeology and chamberlain. If you could give me a few leads I’d love to procrasti-research as well

[@sharonkaczorowski8690]

I’ve studied the human drive to oppress others in order to feel superior all my life. The extremes to which such people will create mythology (often dressed up as science) to prove that superiority and the inferiority of others never ceases to astound me. In the end they become incapable of seeing the world, or for that matter history, as it is, which is a sign of severe mental health issues. Sadly, this is a multigenerational disorder, supported by a socio/political/economic system which benefits from bigotry. The cruelty and suffering it generates is horrifying and heartbreaking.

[@azteclady]

You obviously hit a nerve, the white supremacists seem to be a tad agitated! Which, all to the good, facts don't care about their idiocy. Thank you for a most excellent rant on an important topic. Cheers!

[@neuronecrosis]

i feel like archaeology is one of the very few fields where "we have their bones" is an acceptable phrase.

[@Pretani_Chieftain]

The Vikings weren’t racist, they discriminated and raided everyone equally...

[@niamhybeagable]

Other than the people that they traded with, formed political alliances with, were hired as mercenary armies by etc etc etc ;)

[@ig14tesjahrhundert79]

@@niamhybeagable to seek economical or strategical gain in an alliance doesnt necessarily mean, you have to like or respect your partners, as we can see in todays world :-D

[@TheWelshViking]

Nah, they weren’t bothered by skin colour afawct

[@latronqui]

Normally when someone uses a lot of insults it annoys me. This was very satisfying.

[@BufusTurbo92]

"THE HELL IS ONE OF THOSE?!" killed me

[@riptidemonzarc3103]

What's more, the very concept of 'whiteness', and the general racial categories we are familiar with today, hadn't even been invented yet. People simply did not think in those terms then. For example, the Danish Vikings were almost genetically indistinguishable from the English in every way; even their languages didn't become unintelligible until shortly before the Icelandic sagas were recorded. But the Danes still tried their best to turn England into Daneland, and didn't let any putative racial or ethnic solidarity get in the way.

[@JerOfTheDead]

This is my biggest concern with my growing interest in Paganism. I don’t want to give off bad vibes

[@adrianaslund8605]

The vikings were pragmatic first of all. They were more about making a profit than obsessing over their whiteness.

[@arielgoldfarb4118]

I dont think they cared about that either.

[@alexdunphy3716]

@@arielgoldfarb4118 they cared deeply about much more particular and narrow kinship identities.

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

@@alexdunphy3716 The existence of the Hiberno-Norse, the Norman French, and the Kievan Rus' would suggest Viking Age Scandinavians didn't care *_that_* deeply about their particular and narrow kinship identities. They married into and adopted the cultural trappings of every land they settled in.

[@thedenseone6443]

Incredible video, you can bet I'll be sharing this around. You've earned yourself a sub, my friend :)

[@Jincaii]

This whole debacle feels like a bunch of racist fanfiction writers decided to play a game of Telephone, while the Vikings looked down from above wondering what the hell went wrong.

[@realityhelix564]

If I'm remembering correctly, the whole 'Aryan' thing came from Blavatsky. She was also a nutty banana fritter who was, unfortunately, very influential.

[@TheWelshViking]

She was gloriously batty in her beliefs. The Aryan thing was for sure one of her big ideas, but yeah, all completely unfounded garbage, just like her fake clairvoyance in india.

[@alexdunphy3716]

That's not where it came from. The term Aryan was adopted by Europeans to talk about their ancient shared roots simply because it is the oldest recorded endonym for a group closely related to the shared ancestors. For most people at the time Aryan was used almost exactly like "Proto-Indo-European" is today

[@gronizherz3603]

If one replaces the term "Aryan" (which is a real term, just misused) with "indo-european", all makes sense. The TLDR is as follows: Proto-indo-european (PIE) tribes existed in modern-day Eastern Europe. They spread very rapidly in all directions, and branched in different directions - the 2 splits that are important here are the indo-europeans (PIE branch which spread into Europe, leading to ancient Greece for instance) and indo-aryans (PIE branch which spread into the Middle East and surroundings, leading to the persians and medes for instance).

[@kai_plays_khomus]

Loved your video! Maybe you could have mentioned that the german national romanticism of the first half of the 19th century had its origin in the longing for an identity and a unified nation and was originally driven by rather liberal thinkers and students, often in conjunction with a call for democracy - after all prior to 1871 germany was divided into a mess of around 60 sovereign states and micro-states with absolute rulers, their own law, currency, taxes, units etc. Scholars like the Grimm brothers tried to demonstrate that the different populations shared a common identity to support the demand for reforms and a united nation. The german national anthem which was later apropriated by the nazis was written in that context. Later in 1871 germany was unified under the primacy of prussia and its kings who became german emperors, and during this time german nationalism got "hijacked" by reactionary forces and turned into national megalomania and militarism - which led to WW1, a lost war of whom the nazis took advantage of, and we all know how it ended.. As I said: great video, I subscribed. All the best from Berlin!

[@clottedscream]

i took a whole semester class on grimm's fairytales and the nationalist motivations for their comparative mythology research and fairytale rewriting. its a really fascinating subject!

[@Skooby59]

This vid makes me feel better about liking viking culture/history. Much appreciated my dude, keep up the great work!

[@stevesaunders5716]

As someone who wears Norse iconography SPECIFICLY to counteract white supremacists, I salute you.

[@LanaFeyah]

Louder for the people at the back, and the white supremacists on Instagram!

[@TheWelshViking]

They’re disliking the vid, so I’m clearly doing something right!

[@eric_the_egggremlin]

"The Vikings were Super White, which means I'm a Viking!" --local American white man who also proudly says he's 1/32 Native American because his great-great-grandfather took part in wiping out an entire village and decided to kidnap a woman to "marry", and that's why he's allowed to wear a war bonnet while getting drunk on Thanksgiving.

[@claudeclawsonne4510]

WV: "...you are absolutely ... barking up the wrong tree." CC: "No, my man, he is just absolutely barking, FULL STOP..

[@mycatsnameiskaren8253]

Just found you and omg, you are precious!!! I got here after watching The Northman and looking for reviews. You made me lol the entire video and now I'm low key binging you. ❤️ from Pensacola Florida

[@uapuat]

Just discovered (and subscribed to) this channel. A real breath of fresh air. I'm loving it.

[@webbess1]

How have I NEVER heard of this guy Chamberlain?? He should much more well-known than he is.

[@Peng-444]

Probably best to let his name die in obscurity tbh!

[@CottageTales]

Unified German culture at the time of the Romans 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sisuguillam5109]

Unified german culture in 2021- Bavarias looking at people from Saxony looking at people from Swabia: "Wait, that's a thing? Noooooooo! Mia san mia."

[@CottageTales]

@@sisuguillam5109 lol, da hasch leider au Recht.

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@CottageTales naja... eigentlich find ich das toll, dass das bei uns alles anders ist, wenn man zwei Dörfer weiter fährt... aber wenn Bayern da ein Alleinstellungsmerkmal draus macht, stellt sich mir der Kamm. Schönes Wochenende Dir!

[@CottageTales]

@@sisuguillam5109 da stimm ich dir zu. Aber Bayern hat ja soweit ich weiß immer schon gemeckert, Freistaat und so... 🤷🏻‍♀️ Manche sind halt nur zufrieden wenn sie sich absondern können.

[@sisuguillam5109]

@@CottageTales Stimmt. 🙂

[@lizzyrbits1283]

Three cheers for salty Jimmy on an absolute tear! Love it! :) The utter scorn for the pitiful fools who came up with these ideas and the equally pitiful fools who perpetuate them was a balm to my soul. The nonsense song at the end was a banger, 10/10 would listen again :)

[@ernestomercedes1029]

the most informative, highly educational video that I have ever seen on KZbin; the Welsh gentleman is extremely intelligent

[@TheWelshViking]

Too kind! Thanks

[@warrikata]

Newly subscribed. Thank you for the thorough research; truth and accuracy are hard to find lately. Much appreciated.

[@Pandorespore]

Yes, some Sanskrit texts do say that Aryan people (or at least some of them) have lighter skin compared to the Dravidian people they displaced, but that doesn't mean they were "nordic white". That's just bad scholarship. Also, I'm sure Excellent Scholarship was used to prove the sexual orientation of bog bodies, right? Right?

[@Pandorespore]

@@thoorwulfn9z383 that's possible, I'm not a DNA specialist, but here, the Aryan theory used by the Nazis is based on an interpretation of Vedic texts, where the term "arya" is specifically used to refer to an Indo-Iranian people, as opposed to other local people like the Dravidians. I can't prove that these Aryan people weren't white-skinned blond-haired blue-eyed Nordic gods that somehow stayed in the area for hundreds of years without ever intermingling with other local people, but that's unlikely. Anyway, the theory is solely based on literary interpretation, not on genetics, and those texts are just not that specific. They say the Aryans are fair, but look at Indian actresses - they are usually fair, but they don't look like Vikings either. So yes, it's still bad scholarship, regardless of any genetic evidence we may have now. Even if they were right (and I'm not saying they were!), accidentally stumbling on truth by misinterpreting texts is still bad scholarship.

[@Pandorespore]

@@thoorwulfn9z383 We don't know anything for sure about the origin of IE, we only have theories. Personally, I think taking the theory of IE languages originating from the Pontic steppes and leaping into the definitive knowledge that "pure-blooded" Russians invaded India is maybe taking things too far. I have acknowledged that there are fair Indians, but they are not considered white, and would be still be considered inferior by white supremacy theories, so basing said theories on them is... weird? Anyway, I don't think you understand that my point here is only to comment on white supremacy and nazi text interpretation skills, so I'll stop debating after this :)

[@TheWelshViking]

@@thoorwulfn9z383 NooOOooope

[@TheWelshViking]

@@thoorwulfn9z383 Nopenopenope

[@ngliscsaxon6128]

Just found your videos mate, and I know we English and Welsh hardly call ourselves brothers but for centuries we have shared a beautiful island, and whilst we are both proud of our heritage and countries we are closer than we like to think, and I am proud of my Anglo Saxon heritage but as a father of mixed-race children who I feel so proud of supporting the Three Lions during football seasons, one thing I will never accept or hope to never to see is that they are seen as 'impure' and hurt over both their Ugandan and English heritage

[@nerudh]

THANK YOU!!!! Also I was especially chuffed when you rhymed "chaps" with "chaps" there at the end :D

[@biginbabylon]

As a religious Jew, I have a crazy dichotomy in my mind about this. I love Norse mythology and I adore Wagner’s music - it is colossal and absolutely brilliant, but all the harm especially to my people that has come out of it is ridiculous. I would love to see a full video on Wagner, I think it would spark a very insightful and vital discussion.

[@TheWelshViking]

Wagner was a very troubled and very complicated man, and did a lot of good and bad. Definitely worth a full video or ten at some point. In terms of Norse mythology, I hope it helps a little that we have, as far as I know, no real evidence from the period that the Norse had any kind of embedded antisemitic thoughts in their culture, and linking it to the hateful rhetoric of the 20th century is a very modern idea I do understand your dichotomy, and I think it’s one many Jewish people share. It’s a tough one, but hopefully there are others who walked the same path who might be able to offer useful reflections.

[@biginbabylon]

@@TheWelshViking You are very correct. I’m studying linguistics, having already attained intermediate fluency in Old Norse and plan to learn Middle High German with the hope of learning and translating texts from that part of the world. I think that the only way this hatred can be rooted out is through knowledge and education. The Romantic nationalism of the 19th century lead to the rebirth of the Germanic myth with the afterbirth of fascism. I think that if we look at historical sources in context and spread good and useful information as you yourself are doing - I think we will be well on our way to trying to correct one of history’s most nonsensical and harmful ills.

[@mortalwombat2001]

I always laughed at the far right obsession with the vikings, but the far left has also been guilty of polluting ancient history and paganism with their ideas.

[@somerandommen]

Far-Leftists largely don't care about ancient history. Trust me. I'm very Far-Left. You're right about Paganism tho. Pagan Leftists are more similar to actual ancient Pagans, changing their beliefs and practices to fit their lifestyle

[@xrsuperduper7660]

As a Norwegian viking with no sword, i approve 100% 😆

[@shad0ish829]

As a massive nerd and loser who couldn't keep friends until my mid 20's, I am supremely insulted by your using of my description to refer to these people 😂 It really shows how little these people knew about the world, and how much they cared to explore it, that they thought Jewish and Chinese people to be without culture. It's hilarious that they then claim the Vikings, who travelled and experienced and learned, as their predecessors and inspiration.

[@spinsterwitch1]

What do you mean the Mediterranean folk didn't rely on the Nordic countries?! Where would they have gotten their all important supplies of lutefisk or easily constructed cheap furniture?!

[@kmaher1424]

Who else would buy their cheapest wine? Well, besides the Celts...

[@thornescapes7707]

I am rewatching this video after your Viking tattoo video, and I noticed that you included AUTHENTIC HISTORICAL VIKING TATTOOS IN THIS VIDEO!!! I can't decide between the "I

[@YourSewingBuddy]

Ah! The Norseman with the "I ❤ Thor" tattoo! I'm dying!! Really well explained.

[@pulliss]

In Finland here is a white supremacist hategroup called Soldiers of Odin and it makes me angry in so many ways.Great video loved it.

[@eivor9097]

Yeah they're in all of Scandinavia too! I hate them as well (Norwegian here)

[@jetquiroz]

Fascinating video, as someone who loves learning about the Vikings and the medieval period I sometimes come across some videos and channels that not so subtlety promote these thoughts and ideas. Thankfully some simple critical thinking skills blow any of this hogwash out of the water. (I mean these guys were world renowned traders, settlers and explores. Hard to be any of that when you're hating everyone that's different.)

[@TheWelshViking]

Yeah, it's really not hard to debunk this sort of garbage.

[@mortified776]

Just when I thought I liked this channel, you go and pour out the chamber pot all over the _sturm und drang_ . I now LOVE this channel.

[@JamesMartland65]

Just found your channel, and as an Englishman whose family loves Wales and whose brother has married into a Welsh community, I was fascinated to see what you had to say about a subject that's often in my thoughts. Loved your ethics and research! I've got a germanic paternal haplogroup and I'm really interested in understanding the culture that comes from. (My maternal haplogroup is neolithic western hunter/gatherer.) However, I ABSOLUTELY don't want to be associated with Nazi/supremacist ideology. The more I learn the more relieved I am about the appropriation and poor logic that backs these claims. However, if it were that Vikings had actually been racist, that's no excuse for embracing your genealogy as an excuse for adopting abhorrent beliefs in the modern world. That would be like looking to Victorian Eugenics and saying 'the Victorian's were great, so let's just leave scientific understanding frozen at that point because it allows me to embrace my ignorant, fear-of-other-based, comfort blanket of racism.' Not like that could ever happen.... 😕

[@kahn04]

My favourite flaw in the “Vikings were proud white supremacists” argument is that to call a man “white” or hvit, seems to have carried some implications of cowardice or even effeminate behaviour. Hvitakristr to refer to Jesus for example, has been interpreted as a comment on the perceived weakness of the new god, or simply nod to the white garments used in baptism. Either one sounds plausible to me, point is as you say they did not think of themselves as a master race.

[@hlstnr]

Hvitakristr can also, and in my opinion more accurately, be translated as Bright or Shining Christ which is a common phrase used in both early Irish and Old English texts to refer to holy figures, and especially Christ. This is also the sense of the word hvitasir asa in þrym 15.1, refering to the god Heimdallr, which is also a highly Christianised text.

[@kahn04]

@@hlstnr that’s interesting, never heard that before, but sounds like a reasonable idea too

[@StergiosMekras]

~4:50 Aristotle was right about one thing. Living around the Mediterranean is kinda easy mode compared to places to the south or north of it.

[@AV-69]

This actually took the exact direction I expected it to. The modern concept of race is way too recent

[@TwoMikesProductions]

Excellent video Jimmy. A shame that we have to have it, but PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABSOLUTE BELLENDS.

[@maggiewolf9284]

Don't know how I missed this one, but had me bledy cheering this morning. Thanks for the pick-me-up! ;)

[@ig14tesjahrhundert79]

agreeing with the video, but actually here for the comments :-D

[@johannageisel5390]

As a German: Thank you for sharing this info. History lessons at school never go that deeply into the ideological history of Naziism. Btw. there is a documentary by Mo Asumang (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mo_Asumang ), titled "The Aryans", in which she researches a lot of Neonazis, but also visits Iran. And there is this one szene in which she interviews a couple of Iranians about "Aryans" and one man, looking just as you would imagine somebody from the Middle East to look like, goes: "We're all Aryans here." Because that's what their people called itself for ages. The original word from which "Iran" is derived meant "Land of the Aryans". When Mo tells them about how Jews were killed in Nazi Germany, because they were "no Aryans", the Iranians answer: "That's not in order. Jews also have a right to live." They also say: "We Aryans think that Hitler was crazy." One of them cites King Kyros with: "There is no difference between the peoples." kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH_Ym5-ti9pgbKc

[@johannageisel5390]

@@karlosthejackel69 Mo Asumang is a lady.

[@DaisyViktoria]

Bahaha the insert with the can really got me! Also, I'm totally a fan of that song at the end! Thanks so much for this Jimmy! Love your passion and attitude on this. As someone with a lot of Nordic blood and close family ties to Scandinavia, it becomes a bit personal to me, and I am extremely angry that people would want to twist that heritage into something they can use to fuel hate.

[@TheWelshViking]

That means so much coming from you, thanks so much for that *polite bow*

[@DaisyViktoria]

@@TheWelshViking A polite curtsey in return, my friend!

[@moonstruck8245]

The Grimms didn't come up with like...ANY of their stories. They modified (often in horrible ways, most often the changes would make women - most notably old, childless women - the villains) stories that they heard in their travels, usually ones passed down in the oral tradition from elderly female storytellers. They took credit for and modified countless tales that did not belong to them or their culture in any way. It was really frustrating, but there wasn't much anyone could do to prove it because copyright laws weren't so much a thing then, and even if they were, who was going to listen to a bunch of old ladies, over a dashing pair of wealthy young men?

[@angelwings6186]

New sub so I'm catching up on all your vids. I'm cracking up at your frustration but I get it. I'm in the southern US and I've heard these racists at protests and such. They just make it up as they go and when challenged with facts they bluster with anger, like an angry toddler.

[@thirdcoastfirebird]

Thank you for this. Learning a little bit more about history is helpful.

[@treyskatenation]

Excellent video. I recently started studying norse paganism and once I heard that neo-nazis use the Othala rune as a symbol of maintaining roots and spreading overall, I got extremely worried about the history of the supremacy within norse pagan culture

[@johnblackham3552]

I know it's many months ago, but thank heavens for you, sir. I've started exploring my Scandinavian roots and it's been a very interesting and emotional journey for me, but I keep running into this kind of disgusting garbage. It's rough trying to research folk music, for instance, because there seems to be so much of this in the music scene in particular.

[@2Ten1Ryu]

German here. Thanks for this interesting insight. I once watched an interesting documentary on Nazis occultism that deals with a lot of the stuff you explained here. apparently some of the nut cases higher up in the SS even claimed to being visited in their dreams by their "Germanic ancestors", like some chieftain of some tribe that would tell them what to do. And then their search for the holy grail... these people were all batshit crazy and they must have known deep down it was all just make believe because... well... why wouldn't they when everybody was in on it and it made them feel oh so superior. apart from all the terrible stuff you learn in school about WW2, when I first learned about their embarrasing supersticions, their obsession with symbols and made up stories, I could do nothing but facepalm and shake my head.

[@danielaf1487]

This is probably my current favourite video on all of KZbin. ❤

[@ncalgal4699]

Kudos for taking on That headache, I wouldn't have read those books myself. True knowledge prevails!

[@hannabusse8137]

Where can I learn more about how the Vikings interacted with the Byzantines and the silk road? Please make more videos about that part of this context?

[@rodentary]

Vikings are known for having dragons and being travellers. The only negative things i hear about them is the raping and pillaging. But that is taken with a grain of salt.

[@karaleea1671]

im happy to find your channel learning a lot

[@mimimac1030]

Hi from Belgium ! I just suscribed to your channel because after visioning à lot of your content I was very pleased to see that your passion is true but more than that you check all the facts from diferrents sources and that's what I like. I am myself à mix of many culture and on my family we have Christian ( roman Christian) my mother, muslims mu father, and séfarade Jewish ( few aunts). My father is from Morocco and has middel east arabic blood from his father side and Amazighs blood from his mother. My mother was ( she passed away sadly) half belgian and half english( from Lambhet London). I made à lot of researche on the english side but its not easy, I just have few old photographe and others administrative papers but not enough to complet this part of my généalogic tree. What I want to pass as message is that looking for pure blood line is a non-sens. I am proud of my multicultural heritage and as I am married to a great , handsome chinese men since 25 years now I want my children to know who precede them and use that base to be open to every culture, religion, etc... So stop with those pure blood non-sens, hystory, anthropologie, archéologie etc are there to show that human was in constant mouvement and that mixity was normal, its wasn't à big deal. I stop here. Thank you for your content and pardon my basic english as its not my first language.

[@beth12svist]

This! Even as a pretty basic Czech with no exciting ancestry from other continents that I know of and a pretty solid history of Protestant belief on both sides, the family tree and extended family history has some definite Germans and Hungarians, and some possible Jews and Romanians. And that's not counting more recent marriages in the extended family now that global travel is easier. ETA: I saw this old comment of mine and realised that I recently commented elsewhere in this channel that there are no foreigners we know of in our ancestry for the past several generations, which would seem to contradict what I wrote above. On the off chance that someone pays that close an attention to my ramblings (highly unlikely, but it did hit me now because it was recent): it's actually not a contradiction. The known foreigners are in the family tree, just not among my and my cousins' direct ancestors. :-)

[@nickverbree]

1) of all the times i watched this how did i never stick around for the song. 2) you mention a conversation you had @3:38 but i never could find it... Is there a link?

[@Loweene_Ancalimon]

For me a bubble pops up around 3:38 in the upper right corner, linking to the video. I can also see it in the description. It's titled "Why a Horned Helmet? | Victorians Ruin Everything feat. @TheWelshViking"

[@hellogirljen]

My son has a ton of Swedish ancestry on his dad's side. When he was little, he was all stoked because that means he's a VIKING! (five-year-old logic, lol) He'll be thrilled to know that Vikings are not white supremacists, and in fact, were okay dudes just doing their thing in a multicultural world.

[@MartinTraXAA]

"Coo-Coo Bananas on the Loopy-Juice"

[@keephurn1159]

Late to this Welsh Viking appreciation society, but I'm very happy to profit from the research you did, so I don't have to read stark raving whackwork like :: gestures broadly :: all of that. Your sacrifice is very much appreciated.

[@bartolomeothesatyr]

Hear, hear!

[@lorenrenee1]

Apparently I’m already subscribed from my deep dive into the Vikings this spring. But thank you, a great presentation.