Justice (retd) Markanday Katju Pulls No Punches | Central Hall with Kapil Sibal

[@victynvickhaba6014]

Indeed a thought provoking deliberation. Salute to both.

[@Dadasahab1234]

Only bhakts salute Sibbal.

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@sachingupta1946]

All bakwas, Aryan invasion theory has been debunked. Although all of us came from Africa.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. The british created fake partitions, keeping 30 percent seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90 percent muslim votes. According to me Pakistan 😂was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night and flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. We were told that the partition of India and pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, and India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27 percent of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8 percent hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8 percent of the population has now increased to 19 percent muslims where they got opportunity to progress. In 1947 90 percent Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5 percent Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90 percent of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10 percent Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90 percent of the muslims who lived here never left. Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@afzal.a.neseem7458]

What a refreshing, scholarly, analytical, thought provoking, and illuminating discourse. One may disagree with some of Mr. Katju's points of view. However, he comes across as a great humane leader free of bias and hatred, committed to complete justice and well being and enlightenment of mankind. Three cheers for Justice Markanday Katju.

[@musafir2305]

Disagree kis baat pr.. Trump ko support kar rha 😂😂

[@rjhaveri8bh]

Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. The british created fake partitions, keeping 30 percent seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90 percent muslim votes. According to me Pakistan 😂was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night and flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. We were told that the partition of India and pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, and India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27 percent of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8 percent hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8 percent of the population has now increased to 19 percent muslims where they got opportunity to progress. In 1947 90 percent Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5 percent Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90 percent of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10 percent Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90 percent of the muslims who lived here never left. Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@anadimohan1909]

Excellent conversation and insights. India badly needs a revolution

[@ASeeker-9999]

Can someone give the reference to academic papers based on which such historical n civilisational facts keep changing? Are we blindly copying the leftwing narrative of US, Canada n Australia of western European invaders taking over native Indians? Now since Aryan Invasion theory has been proven wrong, we jump to a new historical conclusion? Whats it based on? What about Haplogroup FM89? It is estimated that the SNP M89 appeared 38,700-55,700 years ago, and most likely originated in West Asia[2][10] or Southeast Asia[8] It has also been suggested by previous research that F-M89 most likely first appeared in the Arabian Peninsula, Levant or North Africa, about 43,800-56,800 years ago.[3] It has also been speculated that the possible location of this lineage's first expansion and rise to prevalence appears to have been in the Indian Subcontinent, or somewhere close to it, and most of the descendant subclades and haplogroups appear to have radiated outward from The Persian Gulf and/or neighbouring parts of the Middle East and Southeast Asia. On what basis are you concluding that people came to India and not went from India? Has that study been concluded?

[@jirasi5557]

Thankyou Modiji That day is getting closer day by day....thanks to hiking exponentially inflation

[@vinay11163]

india revolution just helded worlds biggest election.

[@rssiddharth3134]

Modi is the worst PM of our country. He is not at all fit to lead a diverse, multi lingual, multi cultural society like modern Democratic Indian Republic !

[@Archiths95]

Do you know david icke , Vandana shiva ? Check them out

[@Neo-u3h56]

80 year old Katju sir is far superior and sharp minded than many younger chief ministers and ministers. 😮

[@sumitdutt8338]

Justice (Retd) Sir, Markanda Katju, I agree with you 100% the present situation in India leads to a revolution, as you say. It may take time but that is the only way to change it.

[@balakrishnaprabhu4511]

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[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@jirasi5557]

Natural progression....as v say in maths

[@sm9214]

Blacks lives matter lead to what?

[@luminous6810]

I agree with him and you 🙌👍

[@Dilshad.shamsi]

Thank you for bringing wonderful man and what he has said to be written in the golden words. Salute to both of you Sir…

[@mariafernandes6486]

Justice Markendey gives his views very correctly. Thank you Mr. Sibal for bringing him on this platform.

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. The british created fake partitions, keeping 30 percent seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90 percent muslim votes. According to me Pakistan 😂was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night and flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. We were told that the partition of India and pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, and India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27 percent of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8 percent hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8 percent of the population has now increased to 19 percent muslims where they got opportunity to progress. In 1947 90 percent Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5 percent Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90 percent of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10 percent Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90 percent of the muslims who lived here never left. Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@nevillepinto5847]

Well expressed Justice Sir. Thank you Kaul Sibil Sir. Please have more episodes of this type.

[@Dakshahathi]

Thanks!

[@nsdhillon9937]

Janab e mohtram Justice Maarkande Katju sahib or Kapil Sibal sahib aap ko dil ki gehrayion se 🙏 from Punjab

[@iqbalmomin4354]

@@nsdhillon9937 Dhillon sir , Your language is attractive. I liked very much.

[@vikaskhatri]

Katju sir’s views may seem insane but they are true to their core.

[@sukhwantlambatheglobetrotter]

Not insane at all. Truth.

[@ASeeker-9999]

Can someone give the reference to academic papers based on which such historical n civilisational facts keep changing? Are we blindly copying the leftwing narrative of US, Canada n Australia of western European invaders taking over native Indians? Now since Aryan Invasion theory has been proven wrong, we jump to a new historical conclusion? Whats it based on? What about Haplogroup FM89? It is estimated that the SNP M89 appeared 38,700-55,700 years ago, and most likely originated in West Asia[2][10] or Southeast Asia[8] It has also been suggested by previous research that F-M89 most likely first appeared in the Arabian Peninsula, Levant or North Africa, about 43,800-56,800 years ago.[3] It has also been speculated that the possible location of this lineage's first expansion and rise to prevalence appears to have been in the Indian Subcontinent, or somewhere close to it, and most of the descendant subclades and haplogroups appear to have radiated outward from The Persian Gulf and/or neighbouring parts of the Middle East and Southeast Asia. On what basis are you concluding that people came to India and not went from India? Has that study been concluded?

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@Archiths95]

We dont want covet facists . Manufacturing = pollution. Promote Gandhiji co optex in everything

[@Archiths95]

@@Uturn-x7h 100

[@sohanmishra9155]

"People always migrate from uncomfortable areas to comfirtable areas" so apt statement

[@rohanp56]

Totally agree with Mr. Katju we need a revolutionary leader.

[@p-yadav]

Mr Katju y did u seek forgiveness/ apologies from SC ?Ram mandir nahi bana thaa to kya garibi nahi thi? Coz आप बड़बोले हैं n carry biased poisonous mindset Science se usually migration n original ke baare me Vague n new bew theory aati rahti hai but vo theory hai hypothesis hai , fact nahi about originals n migrated .As life came from where.u will find many hypothesis? Its alright to believe in equalism but for that u need not be desperate to falsely equalise as invaders

[@JV-nt9bp]

Jabardast Interview. 💯% agree to Shri Justice Katju. 💐👏🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥🙏🏻.

[@samueljoseph2821]

Eye opener discussion by two great luminaries of our country, even reaching many people in North India also. Thanks for the useful release 👍🙏✌️

[@MujiburRahman-ms5pf]

❤ from Bangladesh

[@rjhaveri8bh]

Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. The british created fake partitions, keeping 30 percent seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90 percent muslim votes. According to me Pakistan 😂was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night and flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. We were told that the partition of India and pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, and India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27 percent of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8 percent hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8 percent of the population has now increased to 19 percent muslims where they got opportunity to progress. In 1947 90 percent Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5 percent Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90 percent of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10 percent Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90 percent of the muslims who lived here never left. Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@sudeshgaikwad703]

जबरदस्त.. Excellent discussion thanks Sir

[@syednisar8108]

V well said Mr Katju sir, and I fully agree with your view. Hopefully time will change and things may get at least better than it is now. Long live mr Katju

[@karankapila6450]

Katju jannat mein jayega?

[@rafiqurrahman4080]

​Bilkul sacch.....aur unke detractors narak mein......​@@karankapila6450

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@tourcultureandfactblog3207]

Syed aadmi ko bat nhi karna chahiye.aap log pahle ansari aur darji se shadi kre

[@jkchandravanshi]

Very few people like Justice Katju have dare to speak the bitter and beautiful truth. Salute to you sir!..

[@azimshaikh5187]

Good to hear justice katju after such a long time. We wish him good health. He is absolutely correct about the damage done to India by RSS and Modi. Unfortunately this has permanently shifted the destiny of this nation and the damage cannot be undone in the next 100 year's.

[@pushpendersingh5142]

khane mai mutna theek hai azim bhai

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@jirasi5557]

I remind myself of Tagore Though India will be totally bankrupt yet I cannot sin of losing hope in mankind

[@Nothingchangedmuch]

Because modi Has ended the legitimacy of Congress and Muslims beloved party

[@abhi739]

Oh and JAMAT ISLAMI and JAHILNAMAZIS invented law of gravity and cure for cancer

[@drpankajkumar9432]

Kapil Sibbal Saheb - please continue to conduct such eye opening programs for benefit to society.

[@mohammedmurtaza3257]

Justice Markandey Katju is indeed known for his candid and thought-provoking insights on various issues concerning the nation. His deep understanding of law, history, and current affairs often brings a refreshing and critical perspective to discussions. Whether one agrees with him or not, his ability to challenge conventional thinking and provoke meaningful dialogue is commendable.

[@ASeeker-9999]

Can someone give the reference to academic papers based on which such historical n civilisational facts keep changing? Are we blindly copying the leftwing narrative of US, Canada n Australia of western European invaders taking over native Indians? Now since Aryan Invasion theory has been proven wrong, we jump to a new historical conclusion? Whats it based on? What about Haplogroup FM89? It is estimated that the SNP M89 appeared 38,700-55,700 years ago, and most likely originated in West Asia[2][10] or Southeast Asia[8] It has also been suggested by previous research that F-M89 most likely first appeared in the Arabian Peninsula, Levant or North Africa, about 43,800-56,800 years ago.[3] It has also been speculated that the possible location of this lineage's first expansion and rise to prevalence appears to have been in the Indian Subcontinent, or somewhere close to it, and most of the descendant subclades and haplogroups appear to have radiated outward from The Persian Gulf and/or neighbouring parts of the Middle East and Southeast Asia. On what basis are you concluding that people came to India and not went from India? Has that study been concluded?

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@nirmalbhel3231]

@@rjhaveri8bh you got all good valid points. Brits wanted to damage India and still trying that.

[@IdeaBlast9]

I'm very grateful to both of you. This debate is very important for the society. To wake up for the society these type of debate should be happen regularly and distributed throughout the entire nation and must watch every citizen to understand for their present and future world. Thanks for the great information. Jai Hind Jai Bharat.

[@chandrasekhar7090]

Very excellent thought provoking and powerful insights of Justice M Katju. Special gratitude to Kapil Sibal Sir for this valuable discussion.

[@p-yadav]

Mr Katju y did u seek forgiveness/ apologies from SC ?Ram mandir nahi bana thaa to kya garibi nahi thi? Coz आप बड़बोले हैं n carry biased poisonous mindset Science se usually migration n original ke baare me Vague n new bew theory aati rahti hai but vo theory hai hypothesis hai , fact nahi about originals n migrated .As life came from where.u will find many hypothesis? Its alright to believe in equalism but ur desperation to falsely equalise originals/ moolnivasi also as invaders to be in good books of actual invaders

[@rohanmech88]

​@@p-yadavhindus like u can never think of inclusive politics

[@p-yadav]

@@rohanmech88 Not interested in ur kind of inclusive politics where first right not for poor but for muslim, wakf board, place of worship act to block hindus to approach court for their rights , grabbing temple donations but offers haj subsidy etc So to call such agenda i?nclusive politics which is a product of corrupt distorted and Islamist bootlicking agenda

[@MS-Hussain]

Two legends of judiciary together ❤❤

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@MS-Hussain]

@rjhaveri8bh kahan se copy paste mara?? WhatsApp University se Chalo thek hai Free time mein sab ka jawab deta hun

[@rjhaveri8bh]

@@MS-Hussain Surah Nisa, chapter 4 verse 164: Al-Quran 4:164 Surah Ghafir chapter 40 verse 78 Al-Quran 40:78 Of some messengers we have already told thee story; of others we have not Only 25 prophets/ messengers of god have been mentioned but in the same verse they say that 1,24,000 prophets/ messengers of god are sent to earth. Every messenger sent to people in their own language. And if Allah himself clarified that his message to everyone in their own language then who are we to judge others. And nowhere in Quran does it mention, that all the past prophets/ messengers were sent for a particular period or time, nor does it say that other prophets were less superior then prophet Mohammed then why does the Muslims misinterpret the Quran in a manner that is divisive of humanity and thus they hijack the very words of Allah. It is clear these misinterpretations are work of Munafiqs even defined by Prophet Mohammed. He has talked about them and guided us how to recognize them. according to Mohammed translation all Muslims are munafiks and following yazid.. Why people who are not born in non Arabic countries have to follow Mohammed if prophets are sent to each country in their own language.. Muslims are actually lying and misguided the non arabs. So it is need of the hour to unite mankind and guide all those who are misguided. Why must we divide instead of collaborate for greater good for all. Time has come to introduce corrections via correct reflection of Quran and Bible and Vedas. And name and shame those who divide people for own power politics.

[@eudee21]

Thank you Kapil Sibbal ji for this insightful discussion with the learned Justice Katju sahab. Firdt part of the interview where Mr Katju described India, he was absolutely correct in his assessment of Indian history. On this context I would like to mention a poem by Rabindranath Tagore titled ' BHARAT TIRTHA ' where his assessment is similar to mr Katju's . Unfortunately we have some very illeterate people at the helm of this great nation. Thry donot know history of India

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@zamirhasankhan201]

So nice to hear both the enlightened panelists

[@Dadasahab1234]

Sibbal is very senior Congress leader, trying best to agree to his funny views. 😅

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@abcd.0102]

​@@Dadasahab1234Fyi, Mr Sibbal is NOT a member of the Congress party.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@IrfanKhan-dt7ck]

​@@Dadasahab1234 I don't think that congress has money but it's bjp who has this much money

[@ziaulhaque1490]

Thank you very much both of you a true Indian

[@Calibrating_Consciousness]

True Deshdrohi

[@ziaulhaque1490]

@L-Prime jo Bharat ke Constitution ko nahi manta hai woh deshdrohi hai

[@1234shifa]

​@L-Prime get well soon 😊

[@jsj131]

Very interesting interview by a learned individual Katju

[@sakinakaka4788]

Excellent Interview 👍

[@ulhasarolkar]

Insightful and eye opening...

[@sand1160]

You need courage to speak all this. Salute to the great personalities Mr. Katju and Sibal

[@rakeshchaudhary5190]

well said katju sahab you hit the Bulls eye of the problem

[@p-yadav]

Mr Katju y did u seek forgiveness/ apologies from SC ?Ram mandir nahi bana thaa to kya garibi nahi thi? Coz आप बड़बोले हैं n carry biased poisonous mindset Science se usually migration n original ke baare me Vague n new bew theory aati rahti hai but vo theory hai hypothesis hai , fact nahi about originals n migrated .As life came from where.u will find many hypothesis? Its alright to believe in equalism but for that u need not be desperate to falsely equalise as invaders

[@anuragtyagi4285]

भारत की ज्वलन समस्याओं पर चर्चा बहुत ही अच्छी थी. सबसे अच्छी बात यह है कि यह प्रोग्राम हिंदी में था. जोकि काफी ज्यादा लोगों तक पहुंच सकता है. उम्मीद करते हैं कि आगे भी हिंदी में ही ऐसे प्रोग्राम होंगे.26/11/24

[@gargassociates]

fantastic programme

[@harishchandrasrivastava8065]

Justice Katju observation and narration on our Judicial system and Judiciary contains true weight with logical facts. Mr. Kapil Sibbal deserves all praise to bring such a relevant video report based on interview with distinguished judge Mr. Katju.

[@Neo-u3h56]

Excellent memory and linguistic capability of such an old person justice Katju..👍👍👏👏

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@AtharChogali]

Insightful Thanks!

[@poetrylife97]

Superb and honest discussion

[@INDIA_SuperPower]

Nice to see this series going regularly, and understand other perspective.

[@gururajchar4946]

He's right..a revolution is a must to undergo a change in system

[@prasanthkapu2228]

This is what the essence of the last article written by comrade Sitaram Yechury about What is Idea of India.. In this article Sitaram Yechury provokes several new thoughts on the basics of history, more particularly Indian history.

[@ramansathish5140]

Late comrade Sitaram Yechury should learn from Kerala to begin with.It is no more the neo capitalist imperialism or Marxist Leninist fossilized theories .

[@chandershekhar2538]

For me Indian are Indians. All religions should be respected. There is no two thoughts about that. But Hindus too deserves respect. Including all in RSS.

[@syedhasan4200]

Both Interviewer and interviewee are excellent and have crystal clear views about India

[@pravatsatapathy4251]

Great conversation...both of you are brilliant..

[@Defusedben]

Thank you for inviting Justice Katju. ❤

[@dr.syedshahidhusain6080]

Literally conversation is abundantly accepted .At present situation in India leads to revolution what both of you have discussed. It's shameful that highly educated army of youth is jobless People are suffering a lot due to inflation.

[@GajrajYadav-SocialReformer]

🎉🎉🎉 Yes, 100% agree with great thinker & Patriot on Revolution is must to control Parliamentary Mobocracy in which votes are casted on caste there by Indian Democracy is in fact not pure Democracy ❤❤❤ That is why I made a channel in the name of भारतीय क्रांतिकारी देश भगत🎉🎉🎉

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@hu4833]

The great conversation 👍

[@surjansingh5599]

Justice Markandeya Katju sir very excellent conversation

[@kuldipsamra5119]

A great interview was conducted by two great personalities

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@joharshaik1507]

Thank you 🙏

[@umeshsawatkar8104]

Ex, Justice Katju & Kapil Sibal's description is very sensitive to aware the people of India This Wire channel 🙏, 🌍❤ must be telecast in public domain by all social media services around ,

[@agnescraig2912]

Won't happen. BJP Troll army will flood everyone with venom.

[@Sayyed25507]

Very brave person and yet a high intellectual who put forth his thoughts without any fear . ❤

[@riyazgauri3402]

Both are gems. Both are my fav

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@AbCnc-bg8kq]

Great discussion

[@bitlarajesh196]

Excellent analysis on different aspects sir

[@saileshk2003s]

Delighted to see My Lords🎉

[@Motivational_memers]

Very well said, finally someone come to speak about the true face of Modi and his government.....

[@mohammadsalahuddin8790]

Modi ji has great contribution in dividing the country, increasing the hate crime, increasing unemployment, increasing inflation and most importantly gifted our land to China. Listening icons like Justice Katju and Kapil Sibal. We proud of you both. 🙏🙏❤️

[@SANDEEPKUMAR-fv2gk]

Pakistan ko kon dividing kiya converted

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@revinderchopra7973]

A highly academic discussion, every body must listen to it.

[@mohdusmanali0786]

Very good sir ❤🙋😍🇮🇳👍✅

[@chochosherpa3067]

Thank you very much to both of you for sharing this with the citizens of India, All these things are bigger than you can imagine. Yet our India is full of blind devotees, Please think about how to explain it to all of them.

[@GurpreetSingh-iv1ur]

Judge saab the world need humans like you….

[@farooqalikhan8400]

Good talking ❤

[@wahabsid759]

Probably the most impactful words he spoke was about the judges being pro-modi. Now this is an inside man, you can’t get a more inside information than this. So, we have a country in which people who can give justice are biased towards one side. How can a Muslim trust the government to do any justice? Our only hope is people like katju and many others including many in comment section. You people are keeping India alive. I am proud Indian for that reason.

[@jirasi5557]

Atleast u can hide your muslim identity...how can a woman hide her identity amidst a govt whose cult believes her being just for cleaning and satisfying men

[@Calibrating_Consciousness]

Don't trust the government. Go to the most beautiful land on planet Earth. Dil Dil Pakistan.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@kiranyadav1961]

I m heartily oblige hearing u both...

[@Jas-jf8kj]

Reality check by two intellectual experts,

[@sajadmehmood7051]

Great Sir 👍👍👍❤❤❤

[@abdulmugni5435]

Very good episode. I fully agree with Katju ji.

[@HMRafiqueMadarsaLko]

Shukriya رفیقِ مدرسہ لکھنوی

[@bharatjodoyatra3608]

Nadwa me padhte ho😊

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@syedsabirali2804]

Lajawab peshkash

[@nizamuddinmohammadbashir3556]

Sr,Kapil Sibal sb.your episode "Dil Se"is very nice program,which provides the political ,Social information of beloved India..I hearty appreciate your best efforts. With Regards

[@ramkanwargulia8205]

Very interesting and thought provoking presentation. Enlightening,informative and educative,interalia! Ld.Justice Markandeya Ji Katzu is an Epitome of simplicity assimilated with enriched primeval Human Values based on the doctrine of Lesseizfaire as also that of live and let live,interalia. Vidusham vasham vadah! Swasti Om Sham!

[@RaviSingh-wo9wp]

Nice to listen to the FACTS.

[@safarcl]

As Katjuji told we need a continuity in the Gandhijian model of freedom struggle... It should be based on truth, nonviolence, and civil (draconian law) disobedience! It should not be based on falsehood, forgery, and divisiveness which was the case with duplicate gandhi led agitation i.e. the Anti (forged) Corruption Movement & the (planned, planted and treacherous) Lokpal Movement!

[@siddharthasaraf1238]

After a long time great conversation

[@safarcl]

@14 minutes Kapil Saab says that "police, judiciary, administration, government" is doing nothing when it comes to the lynchings, hatemongering s, rioting etc against the Muslims! It is wrong! All those departments and agencies are sliding with the culprits or, promoting the culprits or, absolving the culprits! What else can be done by the Manu's law abiding officials!?

[@MS-Hussain]

Exactly brother

[@asokghoshalghoshal5979]

very correct

[@SADANANDAM135]

100%Correct

[@NSNCNB]

​@@SADANANDAM135😂 How is that 100% !! I am a Muslim. I don't believe any culprit is worth liking. Plus, Manu's law abiding officials do not exist. It is just a fantasy idea. However, i refuse to say That hindus are not better than us. Currently hindus have more practical humanity than Muslims. I am using Pakistan as an example. So those who are more human deserve to have power. Because those who are less civilized don't qualify to run a government over others who are more human. It is a law and I believe in it. So i am happy and that it is better to have humanist Hindus running the nation. We don't need Muslims or hindus. We need justice to be stronger than everybody else.

[@Utkarshkharb]

@@NSNCNB True

[@khalidinamdar7317]

It's a real knowledgeable session, what a way to describe INDIA,and understanding the real facts how RSS has indulged in terrorising a peaceful nation.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@legaledge3461]

Fantastic, straight & unfiltered. Hats off Just. Katju

[@nirmalbhel3231]

Please think Cong was ruling then why BJP came to Power. India has seen terror attacks in 90s. Blasts in Hyderabad, Bangalore, Mumbai etc were common. This happens when Muslim population exceeds 10%. This is happening in Europe, Africa etc. Hindus got scared and gave chance to BJP.

[@yunuspasha7]

EXTRA RESPECTFUL🙏

[@nadeemsarwar9811]

A brilliant, insightful million dollar lecture by justice Markanday. A deep and thoughtful picture of India has been painted by him.

[@MullBatoora-kf6cj]

That is why large numbers of Indian Muslims immigrants in USA, UK, Can and gulf countries But poor Muslims cannot afford such luxury.

[@Kp26302]

Absolutely correct 👍

[@divyankarvarma8558]

A great man , deep knowledge , India needs people like him to guide us forward.

[@rjhaveri8bh]

To know facts what is real India what is real Indian history read below. I tried to pen my thoughts Part 1 - Infact the reality is since 1947 the supreme court of India is a dynasty just like the congress party. Till date supreme court judges are only appointed from 300 families in India and the right to select a supreme court judge is only given to the Chief Justice of India since 1947 so that outsiders cannot break into this circle this was a well thought up plan. and hence it does not surprise me that common man has lost faith in justice and hence it took 75 years to get ram mandir verdict. Supreme court Judges given shares of national herald by Nehru. Let me give you some example - If current Supreme court Katju Martande son of Supreme court Judge Shiva Nath Katju. His grand father Governor Kailash Nath Katju happens to be partner of Nehru in National Herald, has shares so cob web of dynasty. I dont think we got independence from the British rather our nation was only outsourced to the congress party and the fact is the independence act of India does not speak about independence only dominion under the british crown. But such things are not taught in our history books because our history is written by the British is full of lies and congress who was outsourced by British followed what British masters want them to do. . So long only a few select families got rich this is what they always wanted. Congress was a group of loyalists and same is the case with Muslim league both parties were formed by British for vested reasons. The congress teaches us wrong history & now there is an organized effort to call Kashmir is not part of India this is being done in a systematic way by congress party & communists in India. Our History books does not record many of the below facts about India Pakistan partition and so our history books only teach what British and Nehru and congress allowed us to know. - The british created fake partitions, keeping 30% seat reservation for muslims, bribed a pork eating, alcohol drinking Jinnah and beef eating Nehru to partition India, using the psyche of muslims when 90% Indian muslims voted to create Pakistan. The British had already planned partition of India soon after 1857. The British created muslim league themselves in 1906, The memorandum of Understanding of the Muslim league says their agenda is to be loyal to the British crown. The president and office bearers were all British loyalists and exactly the same was done with Congress party they included the British loyalists but then it was the job of the British loyalists to manage the ordinary members who could be nationalists. The leaders may be sold out but there were few nationalists in both Congress and Muslim league. - We are not told that the fundamentalist's and hardcore muslims did not want partition but the British wanted Partition so they employed Jinnah and Nehru two loyalists to lead the two nations. It is true Muslim were used at catalysts for partition but it is also true that many fundamentalist's Muslims and hardcore muslim did not want partition. So partition was actually due to the vested interest of the British. Actually Muslims were like Rats and the British were the pied pipers who made them follow to their tune. As a proof of this I can ask you to look at the results of the 1946 provisional election, and you will note the Islamic parties never got Muslim votes ( I dont know how this is even possible) these Islamic parties lost while only Jinnah's Muslim league got 90% muslim votes. According to me Pakistan was created by british using fake elections. it was only the zamindars, and some power hungry bengalis who wanted Pakistan but british played a cleaver card via Jinnah to create it into land for islam as until that point there was no country made for a religion only 2 countries israel and pakistan have that distinction. - We are not taught in History that during the partition India and Pakistan, the two countries were divided based on religion although the religious significance of Pakistan territory to the Hindus was like mecca to muslims or vatican to christians , yet still the British forced the partition and gave the 10000 year old hindu lands to the muslims.. The fact is that Pakistan is the Brith place of Vedas and Hindu religion and same also is true for Sikh religion how is it possible the Hindus and sikh would have agreed to give this away with out violence but this is british managed and orchestrated everything. there was no choice given to anyone. We had to accept what the British were prepared to give and our leaders had to manage the masses. - Hindus who were in Pakistan were given no choice, Either leave our ancestral home in sindhi over night & flee to India or be killed or forcefully converted to Islam. - It is taught in history Jinnah wanted to create islamic state for muslims, but this is not correct , if you listen to his first speech after pakistan was formed , in that speech he said he wanted a pakistan for all minorities and muslims, If he wanted to make secular nation then why he sepated from India, this is because he did not have choice the british were making all decisions they were to folllow only. another point gandhi told jinnah to become PM but Nehru refused, so these two had setting with the british, both jinnah and nehru. churchill was writing private letters to jinnah without any ones knowledge. The muslim league was created by british themselves in 1906 and its charter was loyalty to the british crown. - We were told that the partition of India & pakistan happened based on religion, after 90% muslims voted for Pakistan in the 1946 provisional election this is historical facts, that Pakistan was made for Muslims, & India for hindus (but then how India and when India was forced to become secular nation). During the partition the population of Muslims was 92 million muslims in Undivided India. The population of muslims who went to Pakistan from India was 5 million and the Population of muslism that went from India to Bangladesh (East Pakistan) was 5 million. So at the time of partition 82 million muslims stayed back in India and only 10 million muslims went to Pakistan and Bangladesh (East Pakistan). This despite the fact that 90% of the muslim population had voted to create Pakistan. So East and West Pakistan took 10% of the muslim population but took 35% of the land and resources. - The total population of undivided India in 1947 was approx 390 million. After partition, there were 330 million people in India, 30 million in West Pakistan, and 30 million people in East Pakistan(Now its called Bangladesh)., So after partition there were 9 million HIndus still left behind in Pakistan forming 22% of the population of West Pakistan and 11 million Hindus left behind in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) forming 27% of the population of East Pakistan as per the 1951 census in both these territories, but within 40 years the population of Hindus in these regions killed, exterminated and as per 1991 census only 1.8% hindus were left in Pakistan and 7% Hindus were left in Bangladesh. After that Pakistan stopped counting the hindu population in subsequent census, instead counted them as minorities together with other shia, ahmediya minorities. Where as in India the 82 million muslims who formed just 8% of the population has now increased to 19% muslims where they got opportunity to progress. - In 1947 90% Indian muslims voted for creation of Pakistan and then later the same muslims stayed back in India and claimed they were loyal Indians. If they were loyal why did they vote for creation of Pakistan. So there is a part the Muslim played but it is not true that all muslims were part of this plan. But when Pakistan was proposed they did vote in favor of Muslim league. - But after a lot of hardship when my grandparents reached India post partition, they learnt that only 5% Muslims went to East and West Pakistan. Since 90% of the muslims stayed back the population of East and west population was reduced to just 10%. Where as we came to a over crowded in India, as 90% of the muslims who lived here never left. - Now we are told that riots happened between Hindus and Muslims during the partition. But the facts is that The 1947 riots were manufactured by British, the British loyalists starter the riots, the person who started the riots in Nakholi west bengal by burning alive 5000 hindus in factory, his name was gulam sarwar, his family migrated to UK and became members of parliament in UK. The riots spread naturally due to fear of each other. It is human behaviour to attack others to protect ones own self, British used our hatred for each other against us. .British used oue own corrupt people to divide us, exactly as they did to defeat first indian emperor in battle of plassey, using Mir Jaffer the army commander of the Indian ruler.

[@ashfaqlone6044]

Justice Katju.. A man full of knowledge and reason

[@TRS-y8u]

Can you both discuss Kashmir plight of Pandits?

[@rashidtreks5445]

Love both of Degnities , put this great facts publicly by all types of media for awareness to save multiple coloured India. ❤❤❤

[@MS-Hussain]

Waah dil jeet lia judge sahab Every Indian know what he shared. Bas hamare WhatsApp University dekhne wale brainwashed blind bkts jaag jayen 😢😢

[@pushpendersingh5142]

thoda sa prakash khane pine ki chijo mai paisab karne walo pe bhi dal dene bhai ji

[@MS-Hussain]

@@pushpendersingh5142 seriously?? Ye kon log hain??

[@Arts11234]

​@@pushpendersingh5142ispe prakash nahi, saja daalo ! Yeh harkat karne waale har desh mein mil jaate hai. Sakth punishment hininka ilaaj hai.

[@imn3188]

​@@pushpendersingh5142jin logo ne trupati ke laddu mein animal fat oil mix kiya tha.. Shayad wahi log

[@parmodgupta9864]

@@pushpendersingh5142 Andh Bhakti chhode. DiMaggio Chillana Sikh le.

[@baskerjohn3574]

Super conversation, thanks to Kapil shab for bringing katjuji.

[@dicksonvaz5640]

Having EVM in elections is not helping our country with honest results.

[@sudarshan3965]

There's lots of fake voting that goes in our elections

[@_-_kevin13905]

Thankyou, Enlightening conversation🙏

[@FrancisKaiser73]

This is why education is important.

[@agnescraig2912]

Sadly Indians put Education on the same platform as God. No amount of education like the ex CJI a brilliant mind as per his CV has a mindset based on Dark Ages. Ex CJI has worn his Religion on his sleeve and some of his judgements shows his complete bias to Modi/BJP/HINDUISM. Education doesn't = good enlightened human being

[@disochris8783]

Perfect simply superb simply superb great both sir's 🎉🎉🎉

[@anon-i3h]

Bring Subramaniam Swamy to the table here and then ask Mr Sibbal and Justice Katju to discuss this topic.

[@thesk3134]

Beautiful and Thought provoking conversation

[@upsc_takk]

Justice Markandey Kantju ji is one of the great intellectual personality of our country. He propagate his views without any biasness and fear

[@a.kthomas2550]

Wonderful discussion. Eye opening.

[@devendrathakur7822]

सिब्बल जी आपकी वैसे ही प्रतिष्ठा है एक विधिवेत्ता और राजनीतिज्ञ के रूप मे, पर एक बहुत अच्छे anchor भी हैं, इस प्रोग्राम "दिल से " से आपने साबित किया है आपको साधुवाद।

[@dilippatel4797]

Retd Justice Katzu is known for his frank opinion of Indian people since long.

[@FarooqAhmad-en1so]

Without social harmony no country can progress.