The Differences Between Germanic and Nordic Paganism

[@jonhalvorson291]

I have also found Christian laws seem to be a good source on Pagan rituals. In banning them they actually preserved some information which is funny.

[@zaciroth]

In some ways this is true.

[@bigchungus7641]

There’s a reason for that

[@de-comm8715]

To end further resistance from respective faith.

[@LilEsotericV]

Technically catholic christians are satanic/ pagan

[@ChloeKruegerSenpai]

Evidence or Proof about the Existence of them is preserved Religion seems the one who preserved the Exist in Century from past unlike Science who refuse to Exist something does not exist.

[@samuellassman7668]

The weird part with saying germanic paganism is that scandinavia is also germanic people. Germanic, not German.

[@brendanmuller7301]

Yeah that's the thing. I united Germania would include much of europe as most european groups are germanic or have some germanic blood in them.

[@saliamae]

Aaww…as a german I love that you have visited here and I feel honoured that you took the time to get to know our pagan history ❤🎉

[@brotherbear9536]

“What do you think happened to him” lmao Iv never laughed harder!!!! 😂😂😂

[@Libby_izzy]

i died

[@janosch1097]

Maybe it would be better to use the terms South Germanic and North Germanic instead of Nordic and Germanic when speaking of religion? Because the term Germanic is meant to include all that is Germanic, which includes Nordic. 9:28 Tyr is called Ziu/Zio in the south, and is pronounced the same (as "Tsee-oo" or "Zee-oo"). For the (continental) Saxons it is said that Tyr's (or Freyr's) place was taken by Saxnot, for the Anglo-Saxons that's Seaxneat. 1:00 lol... 🤭

[@arthurmcvey8231]

Or perhaps north germanic and west germanic. The germanic culture from South of Denmark and from England are linguistically part of the west germanic branch

[@erikeriksson1660]

@@arthurmcvey8231 Which west germanic language is spoken i southern Denmark?

[@arthurmcvey8231]

@@erikeriksson1660 west germanic languages include German, Dutch, Frisian, Luxembourgish, Afrikaans, English and Scots

[@erikeriksson1660]

@@arthurmcvey8231 I know, but which of those are spoken in Denmark?

[@arthurmcvey8231]

@@erikeriksson1660 none anymore, exceptfor maybe occasionally German, but many west germanic languages originate southern Denmark

[@dracodistortion9447]

some important info: the ancient people who lived in Scandinavia and Germany after the ice age were not Germanic nor worshipped Germanic gods. That didn't happen until the Indo-Europeans invaded from the Eurasian steppes and conquered different cultures, picking up different traditions and mixing those with their pre-existing traditions in different ways. Germanic people formed from Indo-Europeans mixing with the Northern European natives mixed their traditions and religions... this is where the Vanir gods are from is the native Europeans. Then what happened is Germanic peoples developed their own traditions, into East Germanic (Goths, Vandals, Alans), West Germanic (Alemanni, Franks) and North Germanic (Nordic, Saxon, Jutish, etc). With this, the proto-Germanic faith also split into local variants. As for Thor, Donar and Perun... they all originate from the same god, as do Taranis, Perkunas, Hercules, Zeus and many others. The Indo-European god Perkwunos, a chariot-riding axe-wielding storm god and dragon-slayer. The KZbin channel Survive the Jive has great videos on it. Simply put: Nordic people and Nordic Paganism are Germanic, but Germanic paganism isn't Nordic. Germanic Paganism split into Nordic, Anglo, Saxon, Jutish, Gothic, Vandalic, etc. and those are what stuck. Those are all Germanic but Germanic Paganism itself is the faith of the common ancestor culture of them all.

[@BeatrixBetwixt]

Absolutely! I think some may think that these practices/faiths originated from where they are today but that’s not really the case. There was a merge of various peoples & then various splits. That is why European pantheons of gods, goddesses, nature spirits as well as magical practices have common threads as you pointed out with the gods. Well said.

[@dracodistortion9447]

@@BeatrixBetwixt thanks. Commonalities can even be seen in India and Iran due to Indo-European migrations, take Indra and how close he is to Thor/Hercules/Perun, or take Zoroastrianism and Christianity with their sky-father gods and serpents.

[@BeatrixBetwixt]

@@dracodistortion9447 agreed the migration of these people as well influenced European beliefs & practices. And I agree on watching Survive the Jive he gets into these topics very well & researched.

[@dracodistortion9447]

@@BeatrixBetwixt yes, Tom is someone who isn't afraid to speak up about and celebrate European history, abd not in a racist way.

[@BeatrixBetwixt]

@@dracodistortion9447 indeed. And it’s crazy how much misinformation spreads. I definitely point people to check out his channel as well. Nice talking with you!

[@nagamata]

Hey man, just wanted to say great job! Most videos which talk of history are just faceless voices with pictures of artifacts, but I like how you show yourself speaking on location, and your delivery flows confidently and conversationally. Kudos, keep it up.

[@TheWisdomOfOdin]

Hey thanks for the feedback. If you liked this video, I am back in Germany now and have improved on this format. I have made a video about germanic paganism at a lake called the Ostara-lakes

[@molotulo8808]

I always say that the true era of the Gods and Goddess of Asgard is yet to come. We Germanic/Nordic Pagans don't have a holy text because it is to be written in the future. As more people return to the Gods and Goddess of their Ancestors, their praise is waking up the Gods and Goddess, because They are hearing our voices and if any Gods or Goddess have no worshipers, They have no reason to interact with Us. I am Asatru because I had an intense encounter with Odin. I have seen the results of my worship to Ullr and Idunna. When, if it hasn't happened already, learn your faith and pray to Them and you will have a moving interaction with the Gods and Goddess. I became an atheist at 12 years old but found the Gods at 57. It was such a moving event and interaction with The Allfather that I am now extremely Religious. Keep the Faith Everyone and Praise to the Gods and Goddess of Asgard!

[@Forward_comrades]

It is not clear that the number of pagans is growing

[@meep7537]

as someone who’s tried to study the differences between these two but failed, i really appreciate this video thanks man

[@Itsmemanthesnk]

If by any chance you visit Norway, I would suggest Tonsberg. It's the oldest city, built in the 9th century under the command of the first King of Norway, Harald Fairhair.

[@Fulkvidr]

The nordic mythology is the northern branch of the germanic mythology. This video should have been called The Differences Between west germanic and north germanic paganism. Wodan and Odin are the west and north germanic names for the same god (proto germanic wodanaz), as are Donar/Þunor and Thor. Ti(modern swedish)/Tyr(old norse) are north germanic names for the proto germanic god Tiwaz, Tiw and Ziu in old english and old high german respectively. It is also worth remembering that Adam of Bremen described a fairly late version of nordic paganism. In earlier nordic paganism worshiping was also done outside in places called Vi, still found in many placenames around sweden like Odensvi (Odin´s place of worshipp), Ullevi (Ull´s place of worship) and Frösvi (Frey´s place of worship). West germanic paganism died fairly early compared to north germanic paganism due to the spread of christianity, so comparing the two should be done at a time when both where widly practiced.

[@charlieb4011]

It's germanic paganism. All is germanic. Not two different things sandwiched together. Same source germanic.

[@bloodhound2995]

Yup woden is how you say odin in old high german but yet he think they are different

[@delinquenter]

@@bloodhound2995 This is why you don't let foreigners research about a culture, they are not a part of. They are quiet litteraly incapable of understanding it and drawing the right connections, because of their cultural disconnection.

[@hayleywood8753]

That sequence of waiting for the bells to end had me in stitches 😂 Really interesting video :) x

[@ineffablemars]

proud of my german blood

[@JonJ.R]

Stand tall Men and Women of The West ✊

[@andrewivarson7891]

Keep living the dream brother. You're doing a great job making this easier to follow and understand. Thanks man.

[@simon_magus65ad]

Just a small tip for writing words like "Löwenmensch" containing an "ö". If you can´t easily spell an "ö" you can just replace it with an "oe" in german (same goes for ä - ae and ü -ue) It is a little old fashioned but grammatically correct and quite readible. Sorry for playing grammar nazi but seeing "ö" replaced with "o" just hurts my heart.

[@christopherstein2024]

Thank you for this uberhelpful feedback. >:D

[@12tanuha21]

But nordic is also germanic (except Finnland) Difference between north and west germanic pagarism: The north had Odin and the west had Wotan (or Wodan). Related to Late Proto-Germanic *wōdaz (“rage, manic inspiration”). From Pre-Germanic *Wātónos, from Pre-Germanic *Wātós (“rage, manic inspiration, furor poeticus”), in turn from Proto-Indo-European *weh₂t- (“to be excited”). Compare Old Norse óðr (“rage”), Dutch woede (“rage”) and woeden (“to rage”), Latin vātēs.

[@brendanmuller7301]

Aren't Finns part steppe asian

[@camger0014]

I heard that they share same root as Hungarians, but i don't really know.​@@brendanmuller7301

[@MichaelRogerStDenis]

4:13 I'd still much prefer to hear the bells ring compared to an Islamic call to prayer.

[@jp16k92]

Speaking of Thor, Donar or Perun, I’m pretty sure that the Celtic Taranis is also based on on a same proto religion with them. Probably an indo European "ancestor" the Tar in Tarnis seems to be so close linguistically speaking that I often think Norse/Germanic pagans and Celtic Pagans were once a single entity that became different because of geographical dispersion.

[@NordGermanicEmpire]

North Germanic peoples, commonly called Scandinavians,[1] Nordic peoples[2] and in a medieval context Norsemen,[1] are a Germanic ethnolinguistic group of the Nordic countries.[3] They are identified by their cultural similarities, common ancestry and common use of the Proto-Norse language from around 200 AD, a language that around 800 AD became the Old Norse language, which in turn later became the North Germanic languages of today.

[@Schakuta]

I'm very happy you had to chance to enjoy the German tower bells ringing every full hour! The church in my hometown of Halle(Saale) the "Rote Turm"( red tower in english; called red tower because back then people were executed in front of it so the lower parts of the church were full of blood) actually is playing the star wars, harry potter or even the game of thrones theme sometimes. Pretty amazing to hear the game of thrones theme getting played by a more than 600 years old church

[@KynthosMoon]

Another great video. It really shows that for all we do know, we don't know a whole lot. For modern worshipers, we're "crossing the river by feeling the stones, " to use a Chinese expression.

[@veronicajensen7690]

Danes and other Scandinavians were/are also Germanic people

[@IdiotBoxProductionsTV]

Of course, and not all Germans are Scandinavian

[@metalcatmom5891]

I live in the "Bible Belt" and there is Paganism "sprinkled" everywhere here too.

[@Checkyoursix77]

What many people fail to understand is that the Germanic tribes originated from Scandinavia. The Germanic culture derived from the culture of the Nordic Bronze Age. The Germanic tribes started to leave Scandinavia during the pre Roman Iron Age. They were newcomers to continental Europe when they first encountered the Romans.

[@gr33nb3an8]

Jacob I've been watching your vids for like 2 years now and been following you fist time I've commented ever got to say love your content and appreciate everything talk an teach! Skal brother!

[@drnobody418]

Dude, Love your channel and the way you talk about your religion while also been engaging & educational

[@cillianrangarsson3319]

I am a very proud Norse pagan from Ireland Jacob you are doing great work the gods will be very proud of you

[@doubledirections7221]

What gods? They dont exist.

[@handlessuck777]

​@@doubledirections7221And you'll never be a real woman.🤓

[@FenriTheWolf]

Its really cool, seeing you visiting all these places I know from my youngest childhood. I rember as a kid and as a adult still, how I always was fascinated by the view. No matter if standing on the shore of a lake in bavaria or at the north see, i always felt some kind of very old "magic". A very interesting topic. Ive never though about the difference between in paganism other than the gods had other names. I think that they developed diferently has to do with nature surounding our ancestors. Because the nature in the north of europe is quiet different to the middle and south of germany. Paganism is strongly linked to nature, at least in my understanding :D by the way, a very good choice to film a video about paganism in Andechs Abbey. Somewhere up on the hill, in the "Biergarten", there still should be some runes carved into a tree :D

[@stef.w4180]

I have noticed that people that identify as pagans (for the record i do to) kinda judge christians harshly or ridicule the christian faith to a sertain extence. Lets not do this its stupid let people believe or think what they want and throw no judgement to them for this.

[@Ravenwolf_CPO]

As a Pagan, I notice quite the opposite as well. I get ridiculed and judged heavily by Christians, Christians telling me that I'm a devil worshipper, that I'll go to hell, that their God is the one true God, etc. There's no point in trying to educate them because these same Christians talk down on Islam and Judaism as well. I just tune them out and ignore them.

[@saxogatley1166]

They’d burn us if the law allowed it. Fuck em

[@de-comm8715]

Petting a snake won't make you immune to it's venom.

[@nw666tube]

THEY didn’t let our ancestors practice and believe in our true gods, so why should we respect theirs?

[@keithdrummond1003]

Fantastic information for a layman/novice. Still new to Nordic Paganism. I'm of German, Scottish, Danish ancestry; but I'm interested in all of Nordic beliefs. Thanks.

[@JC-kk8jd]

Hi from Belgium. Germanic paganism wasn’t just in Germany but also Netherlands and Belgium. And there are actually many books written about the subject. From its history and spirituality down to traces in modern society

[@vicpic666]

What are those books? I would love to dive into it!

[@kimashitawa8113]

Names of those books?

[@veronicajensen7690]

yes that is an issue English speakers tend to confuse Germanic and Germany, Germanic people were all the people north of the Roman empire all the way and incl. the Scandinavian people so certainly Belgium, Austria, the Netherlands, Germany and more , it's just that in English Germany got the name from the Germanic people

[@jorrecuypers8927]

@@vicpic666sorry I hardly check in, but here are some authors; Gunivortus Goos, Claude Lecouteux, Marcel De Cleene, Aat Van Gilst, Jan de Vries, Ugo Jansens, Judith Schuyf,… most publish in Dutch or German

[@frauleinhohenzollern]

Paganism is like medicine for the European soul. We have a special connection to nature not shared by other races. Look at camping, as a past time we go out into nature because it's rejuvenating. I've never felt a religious experience in a church, I've felt many in nature.

[@vishwabhatt8305]

Whites have the least connection to nature. The only people who still practice an Indo-European derived religious tradition are Indians, brown people from South Asia. Camping is a luxury to most of the minorities I know. "Roughing it" for fun is absurd to working class "people of color" from cities.

[@D33pgr333n]

Very interesting take.

[@beefcakeii]

Excellent video, appreciate the information and watching your journey! ⚒

[@nobodyimportant4503]

Watching this as a Christian since I'm very interested in varying faiths as well as faiths from the past. Great video, it answered many questions I've had while researching both the Germanic peoples and Norse.

[@sentient_dinosaurplush]

Looks like we‘re in the same boat. Would love to hear (or read I guess) about other sources you’ve found.

[@honeypot9867]

Just because your christain, can I ask you what the difference between catholic and christain belief is. I’ve always confused the two but I’m trying to do better lol (I was raised Wiccan, so as you can imagine, Im clueless on the subject)

[@juanbateman7880]

@@honeypot9867 let me answer your question as a catholic who has interest in all world religions and mythologies. first the difference would not be between catholics and christians since catholicism is one of the branches of christianity. lets say that the main core teachings are the same. 1. there is only one God. on this, its not exclusive to christianity or even the abrahamic religions "judaism and islam". the idea of a creator or first cause can be found in most world religions, even politheist ones. in hinduism for example have many gods yet they all are but different maniffestations of the supreme being brahma "the absiolut", its the same principle, be it viracocha for the incas, great spirit for some north american tribes, itzamma to the mayans, prime mover to greek philosoper, the three pure ones to chinese religion, khaos to greek religion. what makes us christians is that we believe that the supreme being entered the physical universe in the figure of Jesus. 2. almost all "there are some who dont" believe on the nicean creed regarding the triuine aspect of the creator and who Jesus is" 3. the differences would be not on the nature of God but certain apects such as the sacraments, the role of the pope, the role of scripture and tradition etc etc etc

[@Lusizciz]

​@@honeypot9867The Catholic church believes in the authority of the Pope, who traces his authority back to Jesus and the disciple Peter who Jesus called the rock of his church and gave the power to forgive sins. Peter became Bishop of Rome, an office which later became Pope. Correct doctrine, as defined by popes and councils, and tradition are very important to Catholics. Catholics unlike Protestants also pray to saints for intercession, and venerate Mary the mother of Jesus, queen of heaven and born without sin. Protestantism began in the 1500s as a result of the printing press and the printing of the Bible, which lead many people to question the churches view on doctrine, creating a 1000 of denominations with different beliefs and practices. Catholics are a bit more like pagans I guess cause they value tradition/ask for help from more than just God/Jesus. What was it like being raised a Wiccan?

[@honeypot9867]

@@Lusizciz THANK-YOU. That was the greatest explanation I’ve ever read. This is the first time I actually understood the history!! It’s hard for me to say what it was like growing up Wiccan because it’s all I know and I have nothing to compare it to but I’ll still try haha. Wiccans believe that the the moon/earth Goddess (depending on which Wiccan tradition she’s either Earth or Moon, I was raised believing Earth while also ruling over the moon) and the Great horned God. The Earth Goddess is the creator to all that we see, plants, water, mountains, caves, animals, etc. And the great horned god is divine ruler of all animals and wild things. Depending on the traditions that each Wiccan follows, it’s believed that there is a plethora of gods and goddesses. We usually say divine feminine and divine masculine as umbrella terms for all the is divine. We follow the Wiccan rede which sets out standards that we are meant to follow such as “If he harm none, do what ye shall” We worship deity through prayer, meditation, celebration (that’s the big one), offerings, and action. My family raised me and my sisters with Celtic pagan views on Wicca. So the Earth Goddess is Goddess Danu, The great Horned God is another name for Cernunnos, and so on. There’s many different types of Wiccan tradition and beliefs; Gardenarian, Dianic, and dragonic to name a few others. I celebrate the eight Sabbats (Beltane has always been my favourite. We celebrate the thinning of the veil. That’s when the divine world and our world become closer to one another and therefore deeper spiritual understanding is possible. Beltane celebrates the peak of spring aswell as goddess Beltane. This is the time of year where Wiccans set their intentions and goals. We celebrate with a Bon Fire, maypoles, dancing, music, and ritual) I’m. Or going to get into all the sabbats otherwise this reply would never end haha. I’m not sure what more I can add so if o missed anything or I didn’t explain something well lemme know and I’ll try again

[@fredazcarate4818]

Thank you for presenting the facts in concise manner; free from the usual biases .

[@snorrebjorkson2294]

You forget that there are more than 800 years of development between these sources and that the development of the Germanic religion in Scandinavia already shows reactions to Christianity.

[@SeekerOfWisdom]

Really glad you did this video, it was one of the questions that was on my mind

[@DaryanPrescott-vy4ss]

Im mostly German with a lil bit of English and Irish, but am a nordic polytheist/pagan through and through

[@reesemath]

I am about 60 percent German and have been trying to look into Germanic paganism. Unfortunately there's not a lot of information out there, so thank you

[@SungazerDNB]

German is Germanic, but Germanic is not necessarily German.

[@jrsturmvvehr802]

germanic paganism is n4tional s0cialism

[@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk]

@@SungazerDNB correct, Germanic refers to all those descendant from the proto Germanic peoples. In Dutch it makes more sense to use the term Germanic because we refer to germans as Duitsers and Germany as Duitsland while the term Germanic is called Germaans.

[@SungazerDNB]

@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk That's true. Although I don't think it helps much when it comes to correctly interpreting the names.

[@christopherstein2024]

@@SungazerDNB The thing is that they get it right. The Germans call themselves Deutsch wich was called dutch in english. Then the english brought German back to the modern period creating the German vs Germanic problem.

[@Kanelipullla]

Awesome video! Slight note on the terminology, so Nordic, it is a fairly modern term, so by definition it includes all these countries: - Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Iceland and the autonomous regions of Greenland, Faroese Islands and Åland. Or in other words all the members of the Nordic Council. So Nordic is a big umbrella term that includes also other people and language groups (North Sámi, Finnish, Greenlandic etc.) besides just North Germanic/Norse/Scandinavian. But its not a big issue, but just a kind reminder that in some cases Norse=/=Nordic. But ofc the Norse/Scandis are integral part of the Nordics🙂🙂 (Literally everyone confuses them all the time 😂 its just a tiny pet peeve of mine so i had to comment)

[@Kanelipullla]

​@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. Yes correct, in that sense 'nordic' can _also_ mean "from the north" but as I pointed out "nordic" currently holds also another meaning, which I presented above. And don't bother arguing with me about this; I am from the Nordics and this is how we define it up here, go ask about it from anyone on the street of Reykjavik, Oslo or Helsinki or any other place 😂 I just nicely pointed it out coz I'm low key annoyed when lot of random people say "Nordic" but most of the time they actually mean "Scandinavia" (or ocassionally "Germanic" even) While Scandinavia still being included under the term the Nordics, but they are not equal or exactly same thing. Hope this helps :)

[@Kanelipullla]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. You do realize that the Nordics include also non-Germanic speaking people groups, and by this I mean the Finns and the Sámi people etc who are Finno-Ugric so not at all Germanic? 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 thus Nordic =/= Germanic (that is literally the point of the use of the term 'nordic' currently here lmao)

[@Kanelipullla]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. so now im getting curious, so in your opinion Finns are not Nordic either then? XD wut

[@Kanelipullla]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. Germanic peeps belong to Indo-European language branch like most of Europeans; whereas Finno-Ugrics are not Indo-European at all (google if you dont believe me)

[@Kanelipullla]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. i am not the one confused here dear internet person.🙂It's you who is being confused now _(This convo is a prime example why i made my original comment, coz everyone outside Nordics seem to be so confused about these terms😜)_

[@skylerbergeron7453]

The Danes were Germanic though.. And wasn’t wooden and Odin the same.. So you don’t just have Thor that ties them together but also Odin.

[@asteraceae]

This was very interesting to watch as a German descendant:)

[@thermoreptila6381]

Ok, I have a few Questions. I am new to your channel, but I am curious of a few things. Firstly what some of your thoughts on the more recently growths in the number of people who practice Norse paganism and wicca? Is this a good thing or is this bad because they are coming to this religion with certain expectations or intentions? why do you think more people seem to be going to Norse paganism and wicca than other religions? Secondly, I am a huge fan of folklore and religions. In your video on runes, you mentioned that some runes are associated with elements (fire, water, earth, and air if I am remembering correctly). But how was it determined that a given rune goes with a given element, and what runes go with what elements?

[@JohnJigsaw420]

Tyr to the English pagans was Tiw, hence TUESday, from Proto-Germanic Tiwaz, which the Norse Tyr was also derived

[@Renegade_Melungeon]

Thank you for the compare/contrast! Have you explored Anglo-Saxon Paganism?

[@Renegade_Melungeon]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. It is, but every region of the Germanic world varied in worship and tradition. For instance, the norther reaches have Ullr, and the southern have Holle, while the Saxons have Saxnot. It's seems as though the Angles in northern Britain had Eostre, and the Frisians had Forseti. There are certain attested deities and traditions associated with certain time periods and peoples. I'm just curious as to whether he has looked into the Anglo-Saxon tradition or flavour.

[@kelaines5082]

I love your newer content. I also love your speaking voice. You should do voice over work and record for the blind.

[@liamsmith9407]

I am a aspiring Pagan and these videos are just what I'm looking for. Thank you brother.

[@doubledirections7221]

Turn back

[@uhuraenterprise6372]

You're welcome

[@nightcrawler9455]

Don't call yourself pagan it means false gods. Just call yourself the follower/disciple of that culture.

[@MarieRains]

Oh this is great! Thank you for this video!

[@thebrokenace7152]

Thank you for helping me in my studies skull my brother

[@divingdave2945]

Nordic Paganism and Germanic Paganism are exactly the same. Nordic paganism is a subdivision of Germanic paganism. What we know of North Germanic (Norse) Paganism comes from a much later date, than what we know of West Germanic paganism, so differences are to be expected because cultures change over time. It is also likely that the North Germanic Paganism we know of was already influenced by Christianity. I doubt that there was a distinct separation between North Germanic and West Germanic culture in ancient times. Nation States are a very modern phenomenon. Within the groups of Celtic, Slavic, or Germanic, cultures changed gradually. You could probably have walked from the Alps to Norway, and at no point would you have seen a sudden change. We should also not think of different deities, just because North and West Germanic's seem to have used different words for them. That would be like saying that Deus, Dieu, Gott, God or Yahweh are referring to different deities and thus belong to different religions. Donar and Thor are of course exactly the same God. It is probably best to view what we know of West Germanic and North Germanic Paganism as examples of Germanic Paganism at different time periods (1000 years difference !!!) than to contribute the differences to geographic factors. I personally would go as far as to say that all ancient European religions, Romanic, Slavic, Celtic and Germanic paganism are only different flavors of the same basic European Paganism.

[@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk]

I agree with your assessment. It's already said that the proto Germanic peoples that lived in south Norway and Sweden, Denmark, northern Germany and northern Netherlands spoke the same language before branching off. Their gods were probably exactly the same during this time as well.

[@vargodinson]

@@Blackdeathgaming-yv1kk Germanic Pagans and Norse Pagans have the same Gods but in a diff language and some practices are different but the rest is almost identical.

[@panzrok8701]

Actually they all spoke Proto-Germanic until the migration age and thus had probably the same names for their gods. Odin/Woden was called Wōdanaz in Germania and also in Scandinavia.

[@afsanarosebd]

Thank you for sharing this video .

[@ronf1160]

By the way, the name Donar is Old High German, in Old Low German it is called Thunor. Thor, Thunor and Donar, you can see that these names are related and come from a common older name. We see the same thing with Wodan and Odin. It is known that the North Germanic tribes had some changes in language over time (probably from the 7th century). For example, they lost the W if it came before an o or u. We see this in words like: Wolf - ulv, worm - orm, word - ord .... . Around the same time, the Old High German sound shift also occurred. Here, for example, the t became the z. Examples: two - zwei, ten - zehn, twenty - zwanzig.... .

[@maryamtoulas8170]

I'm currently at the part with the bells 🔔 🤣

[@TheWisdomOfOdin]

I have flashbacks of those damn bells all the time lol

[@realmwalker9163]

Saxons migrated to scandinavia and England. Thus. The faith started in Germania

[@zaciroth]

Pretty obvious imo

[@realmwalker9163]

@@zaciroth you would think. Thus his comment. Witch faith came first not really a topic

[@erikeriksson1660]

@@realmwalker9163 No, germanic culture comes from Scandinavia and spread south.

[@realmwalker9163]

@@erikeriksson1660 not true its all same people. And im bolth . Germania was first then migrated north. And also to England

[@erikeriksson1660]

@@realmwalker9163 The saxons came from northern Germany and migrated to southern England during the migration period. The germanic culture comes originally from Scandinavia. The archeological record is clear. The Nordic Bronze Age is the original germanic culture. It spread into Germany inte early Iron Age.

[@robertetter9713]

Tyr = Zio, Ziu. Heru, Cheru ( The Cherusci used these) , Thincsus.

[@JohnSmith-vg4jd]

Beautiful German ladies in traditional clothing in the background at the 7:50 mark distracted me. I love going to Germany!

[@marykayryan7891]

I am really enjoying all your videos. I am impressed by the scholarship combined with down-to-earth accessibility. In other words, I like what yer layin' down. So, take this comment in that context. I think calling paganism a "faith" uses an understanding of paganism that is being derived from the Abrahamic traditions. I do not think we have "faith." I think we have experience. One of my shamanic teachers said once, "We are shamans. We do not believe ANYTHING we have not experienced, "whereas the expression "take it on faith" says it all. Believe it because it sounds good and might be "true." Believe it because of somebody else's experience. Or worse, believe it because we say so. Or believe it because it is in a book. Paganism is about a felt experience of our deep connection and comradery with the Natural World and all the Beings in the Otherworld(s). We need take nothing "on faith."

[@ChieftainJay]

honestly i though they were the same until today and thank you so much for ur knowledge brother have a great day

[@richb3802]

Hi. They basically are the same faith really, but with variations. Deffinetly not separate.

[@zaciroth]

They are the same.

[@chaserevstuning9271]

Clearly he doesn't know woden is another name for Odin. Grey beard has a long list of names.. donar, woden are Thor and Odin. Conclusion is that they are same. With different stories added over time.

[@E.Mulchi]

At the time west Germanic Pagans were around they were exactly the same. West Germanic Pagans were forcibly Christianized but Germanic traditions survived in the north. You are just comparing Norse paganism to Norse paganism from a different time.

[@madsteph9375]

the bell sequence reminded me too much of the time while at a market in france, an air-raid (or similar) alarm when off for like 10 mins (lowkey scared)

[@glenntheijssen7368]

The proto-germanic name for Tyr is Tiwaz

[@bansheecat3036]

10:26: Thunder god worship spreads even further east too, all the way to Vedic India with Indra.

[@CelticDruidTempleOfBeliefsnewa]

And Pre Nordic religion is Circassian religion also called Khabzeism which came from the Caucasus or Kaukasus, Kaukasus is the Germanic spelling before Germania in ancient times they lived in the Kaukasus where Caucasus mountains got it's name.

[@zorradone]

Norse = North Germanic. Germanic is not German, but all Germanic areas.

[@Perspectiveon]

Scandinavian (Norse) and Germanic tribes were the same peoples (originally located roughly Northern half of modern day Germany, Frisia, Denmark, Southern parts of Sweden and Norway before 150 bc). Differences in language, beliefs and practices were simply (minor) development over time. ~ Jute/Cimbrian ancestry.

[@jameshitchens9045]

I am of Germanic heritage on my mother's side and spent time in Germany with the U.S. Army. I never felt more at home tan when i was on field training exercises in the German forests. I realize now that i am following the Germanic Pagan path why that was.

[@icyelsa9747]

This is dumb because forests in Germany are very „artificial“ in terms of they have been heavily cut down hundreds of years ago and replanted in a mix they wouldnt grow naturally, even with species that wouldnt grow there. There cant be any connection to when Germanic tribes were living there

[@sliderstruth]

They're very similar religions guys. Pretty much the same. Check put survive the jives channel if you want a really good doc on getmanic paganism

[@Dawnson134]

That joke at the beginning was perfect

[@MyositisMedic]

Ahh the bells of Germany, lol. I miss them sometimes.

[@MyositisMedic]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. I'm well aware of the vast differences between them. I was moreso poking fun at him being cut off by the bells going off every hour - not comparing. Didn't see why it was necessary to explain this.

[@wesleysmith320]

A bit unrelated, but I need advice. I'm dealing with much grief and shame in life right now. I dont know how to cope, but I look to the community and the gods for strength and wisdom. My fiance left and I am homeless. If you have any good advice besides "stay strong" it would be appreciated

[@witchfromthenorth5294]

The editing on This is top noch! And yes i am a witch.. and yes i am raised in this faith .. that makes me a völva ( swedish spelling).. so i do feel a bit at home on this channel 🔮💜

[@sigvardbjorkman]

That's nice. Here you go, have a 'Hej där hur mås det?' from me. Have a nice day.

[@richb3802]

Can I respectful ask how you got into Nordic witchcraft, as opposed to just worshiping the Gods and being a Pagan? What was the pull that took you in that direction?

[@witchfromthenorth5294]

@@richb3802 it runs in our family :) We are one of the oldest familys in sweden, and We had our start in iceland.. so that makes generations of witches and generations of relationships with the gods. So i did’nt ” get in to it” i was born psychic and born a witch ( and pagan)

[@richb3802]

@@witchfromthenorth5294 That's fantastic. I'm an Englishman with a little bit of Swedish in me (from my dna results), and quite early in my Pagan path, although I've felt it since I was a very young man. So happy to see other Europeans following the Faith

[@witchfromthenorth5294]

@@richb3802 welcome to the pagan family! Yes, agree, it’s hearwarming to see people outside scandinavia find this path

[@Robrecht_van_Bethune]

Please watch the vid of Arith Harger, Tyr vs Odin. He explains beautifully how Wodan/ Odin is introduced in Scandinavia by the Germanic tribes. Tig or Tyr/ Tiwaz was the main God in Scandinavia, before Odin became the Allfather.

[@ColeWolfsson]

that's not true

[@Shifty51991]

No Tyr was only the main god to the Germanic people.....

[@Shifty51991]

Also Tiwaz is the name of the Rune

[@Robrecht_van_Bethune]

@@Shifty51991 No, that's why we find in modern Scandinavia, today, still places named after Thor and Tyr for example but no places named after Odin. Also Wodan is the God of frenzy/extacy, in the Dutch and Flemish tongue for example, the word woedend means being so angry that you lose control, woedend is connected to Wodan, in old Dutch Wuotan. Wu and Woe sounds almost the same in Flemish or Dutch. That Wodan was introduced by other Germanic tribes in Scandinavia is true, by war or by tribes that flee to to north, that's a matter to debate. But Wodanaz is much older than Odin.

[@Robrecht_van_Bethune]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. Indeed, if that is correct.. I don't know. Some say they are the same, others don't. I think they are different... and that for some tribes Irmin was a very important god. But for other tribes Irmin didn't even exist. Well, Wodanaz os much older then Odin, and Irmin as well. Throughout the years scholars have struggled to seek the true definitive explanation to the phenomena to find and proffer the true identity of who or what that figure ultimately is, be it a representation of a hypostasis of some God such as Ziu (Tyr) or Wodan, or simply the figurative embodiment of the collective magan and holiness of the Gods overall- the power of divinity, the power of a unified body of the Gods themselves. It's so interesting.... But I don't know.

[@marcopolo2418]

They are the same and if I'm not mistaken they came from the same place. Scandinavia. Pagan religions were always changing and branching off of eachother.

[@jonrichards1989]

Tacitus’ work is a work of plagiarism, we cannot verify how much of what actually “was” according to him is actually true, very much like how Snorri changed a great many things in his works. Germanic is a linguist classification, so lineage of the Germanic speaking tribes are more Celtic. The religion has its roots in many different tribal cultures, which is why our religion looks like many different other religions. All pagan religions have identical ideas and characters as well as a very similar structure. Odin, Óðinn, Woden, etc are all the same god, and how he and other gods were venerated changed and adapted over the years as the religion began to grow. Our religion was always a word of mouth religion, and my family has different stories of Odin and the Aesir and Vanir as our traditions go as far back as who knows when just as the same is said for many others. By the time Snorri first wrote down these stories, it had changed considerably throughout the years and it continued to change after. The tribes were a nomadic people, their traditions and stories grew with the more ground they covered and the more people they encountered and became what we know today after the Varangian tribe otherwise known as the Vikings first attacked Lindisfarne in an act of revenge against Charlemagne ordering the executions of 4500 Saxon pagans, a tribe that the Varangians came from. The key to this is the gods are very much the same or similar and each tribe had different ideas. They didn’t practice an organized religion, nor do we.

[@richb3802]

Very true. I've heard about the attack on Lindisfarne as being revenge for Verden, but also that it was just part of the general raiding culture of the Vikings, going back to the Mannerbunde. Could actually be both. Fascinating stuff.

[@teufel8647]

So you'll see Jesus on the cross a LOT here. Most times blessing crops (or at least where i live they mainly have them near crops or schools.) I'm not gonna lie, I've walked by saying "Hang in there buddy" a few times.

[@betmo]

😅

[@judithmcnease4100]

The video is great, just need to cut out the background noise.

[@nicholaswestendorf1983]

They are not different beliefs, if you research the timeline of Indo-European People, and religion, they flow from one to the next through the years, same gods, goddesses, deities, Etc, just name changes, its not hard to know which came first, germanic gods came first as their history is much older, only through immigrating out did the scandinavians come, and later, Viking period, this Norse Paganism IS Germanic Paganism, just a more recent version. Woden become Wotan became Odinn. Donar became Thor, etc.

[@cinaedmacseamas2978]

“What do you think happened to him?” He was essentially framed for defying Rome on trumped up charges. And the spectacle of those defying Rome in Germania, resulting in crucifixion, was not an uncommon sight. And the might of Rome was bending all before it in those days. The gods and goddesses of Rome were mightier than all, and the Romans said as much. Especially when they were intent upon avenging Varus. And then this crucified one from Galilee himself conquered Rome and became its ensign. “In hoc signo vinces”

[@handlessuck777]

Nice try, lol.

[@Joksa999]

Hey im not good with donating money because of online payment but if you are in South Germany near the alps I could show you great locations or give you a car ride. Trains are ridiculously expensive here

[@shadypugsley5136]

Now we gotta hear a comparison to the Anglo-saxons

[@icyelsa9747]

Seems like you were in Southern Germany though which was more Celtic influenced?

[@TheWisdomOfOdin]

And most people talk about this subject from their basements 😂 I have also been to northern Germany 👍 Which is more influenced by the norse. The nugget in the middle that is "germanic" is really hard to crak, and is more than likely a hybrid mix of Norse and Celtic, with some regional influences

[@NorthSea_1981]

@@TheWisdomOfOdin Northern Germany isn't more "influenced" by the Norse. It simply doesn't have a Celtic substrate, unlike the South. Still Germanic. Also: Norse are "Germanic" themselves.

[@christopherstein2024]

@@NorthSea_1981 This guy seems to think that Germanic means German and that he learns about these things by visiting modern day Germany...

[@shahramshahram412]

If you are looking for heruli. The name of our city is Heru. The people of the city are called Heruli. Heru city is located in Azarbaijan, Iran. But the Persians changed the name of our city to Khalkhal. Of course, the Persians are trying to change the names of all our cities and villages. It is said that in the past, perhaps thousands of years ago, warriors or soldiers practiced war in our city. And because of this, the name of our city is known as Heru. Fars still could not change the names of several villages in our city. The name of the village is Borgehim. And the village is Berga. And the village is Warsva. Of course, these are the names of several villages out of hundreds of villages in our city. Are these names not familiar? About two hundred years ago, the government spread the Kurds in our villages at the request of the British. Although more than ten villages now speak Kurdish. But some Kurdish-speaking families settled in all our villages. It is clear that it was to change our race. Of course, this action has also happened to the Turkish-speaking cities of Iraq. Now it is known that the Kurds in Iranian Kurdistan have Arab roots. Maybe they have a few percent of the Indian race and the yellow race. Did the English want to change our race to Arabic? What made England want to change our race. At the present time, Fars wants to change our race to Arabic. Because the Persian race is also of the Arab race. Now, in the map, the name berga has been changed to the word "flag" in Arabic or Farsi. If you look at the rb haplogroup map, the path is the same. When you and others moved to Europe you mixed with Northern European races or in Europe. And new races were born. The Indo-European race is also a lie. There is no rb in Fars, Iran, nor in India. Even the Persian language is Arabic. The Persians presented themselves as pure German. And they despised everyone. Now it is known that the Persians are of the Arabian Arabian race. If it wasn't for genetic science, Fars would still identify itself as German. Almost 30 years ago, I went to Kerman. Almost 40 people had gathered in a spring near the village. I was stoned for being a Mongol. And if one person in this crowd looked like a European, it was me. But the villagers thought they were Germans. Still, those who did not take a genetic test assume that they are German. The new German race consists of several European races. It is completely different from the German race of 3000 years ago. All races changed. There are still people who do not understand why the race of Turkey and Greece is different from 3000 thousand years ago. The Ottoman government ruled dozens of Arab countries and the people of these countries came to the center of the Ottoman government to have a better life. It is clear that the race will change. The breeds that are now in Europe are a new breed.When you and others moved to Europe you mixed with Northern European races or in Europe. And new races were born. The Indo-European race is also a lie. There is no rb in Fars, Iran, nor in India. Even the Persian language is Arabic. The Persians presented themselves as pure German. And they despised everyone. Now it is known that the Persians are of the Arabian Arabian race. If it wasn't for genetic science, Fars would still identify itself as German. Almost 30 years ago, I went to Kerman. Almost 40 people had gathered in a spring near the village. I was stoned for being a Mongol. And if one person in this crowd looked like a European, it was me. But the villagers thought they were Germans. Still, those who did not take a genetic test assume that they are German. The new German race consists of several European races. It is completely different from the German race of 3000 years ago. All races changed. There are still people who do not understand why the race of Turkey and Greece is different from 3000 thousand years ago. The Ottoman government ruled dozens of Arab countries and the people of these countries came to the center of the Ottoman government to have a better life. It is clear that the race will change. The breeds that are now in Europe are a new breed

[@mikekushner9436]

Isn’t it all Celtic ? But in all reality Prussia and Baltic tribes are a good example how they weren’t domesticated by Rome until 1500s but Western Europe was always dominated by Rome even England but after Rome fell all the old tribes rose back up slowly being picked off until world wars

[@IdiotBoxProductionsTV]

Prussia will always be German

[@whtmgckgrl]

Anyone besides me not have ANY audio for this?

[@emrysthefirst7778]

the "germanic" name for tyr is "tiwaz".

[@christopherstein2024]

Tiwaz is the proto-germanic reconstrunction of the name.

[@3chmidt]

I'm German and I take the difference serious, and what gods and mythology my ancestors had and did not have, compared to the Nords. It often comes as a surprise that Germans didn't have some things, like Valhalla or races of gods, and it's hard to get details since Christians destroyed so much of the knowledge about European religions. Also Tyr is called Tiwaz in German iirc.

[@MattieK09]

Nordic is just what survived when the continent was Christianized

[@AbilityToBeAwesome]

Oh this is interesting! Hope your having an amazing day! # Remember you have the #AbilityToBeAwesome!

[@audreygerrard2821]

What about connection between Perkunas (Lithuanian) and Donar/Thor? Is Baltic paganism older/similar?

[@enihil7713]

I felt that look when the church bells rang

[@majBarn975]

Santísima Virgen María, Corredentora de la Humanidad, demuestra tu Poder y sana a esta pobre niña, te lo rogamos en nombre de tu Hijo Jesucristo Nuestro Señor.

[@gentritxheladini3008]

Is There A Chance Of You About Visiting A Nordic Country And Making Your Videos There Talking About Vikings And The Old Nordic Gods🙏That Would Be Amazing

[@FidelHimself]

The brought it all under one name for the purpose of control

[@enyascarve3059]

it seems like they are different branches of the same religion much like the branches of christianity. what an interesting learn

[@eucitizen78]

Nice video but i still don't know enough about what are the differences. I mean the theological system is the same that makes them so much the same that differences are rarely to find it at all especially with the thin sources

[@GirlsRuleTheWorld2023]

I am very German for being an American. I want to dive into my ancestral religion but I’m afraid of being labeled racist and hurting the careers of my children. How do you guys handle being labeled?

[@TomWaldgeist]

Hör auf dich drum zu kümmern, was andere denken.

[@issamukti]

"The Germanic people seem to be more heavily focused on the war aspect because they were always at war with somebody..." Yes

[@studleymanhorse3042]

So Odin & Woden are not as similar as Thor & Donar? OK. sure Freyr & Tyr are different but they're both venerated, just the "top 3" are diferent. Similar but different? they descended from the same people & believe in the same Gods though maybe with different importance given to different Gods but they're only similar? You should watch some of Survive the Jives stuff, you'll learn a lot

[@bloodhound2995]

Woden is old high german for odin Germanic culture is different in region but all worship the same gods if you know the story of odin and how he find the runes you will find all Germanic languages like old english, old German, old Norwegian come from the runic alphabet

[@Shifty51991]

The only thing we really know is that the myths and legends were the same but the gods names were a bit different in proto Germanic....

[@Shifty51991]

@IRMINSUL. We stay pagan. We don't betray. Odin is Norse in Germanic he is Woden but not the head of the pantheon for the Germanics. The Germanics believed Tyr was the head. Tyr is also in the Norse pantheon but isn't the leader.

[@bloodhound2995]

@@Shifty51991 no Germanic people did believe odin was the head chief I think I don't know where people think tyr was but hey

[@Shifty51991]

@@bloodhound2995 Germanics didnt even call him Odin.....

[@bloodhound2995]

@@Shifty51991 no odin is more modern English

[@bloodhound2995]

@@Shifty51991 woden, wuodan, wodan, Óðinn these are the names they call odin back then