Do the JAK Wardens Suck After the Nerfs? | (Before & After Comparison)

[@Kuriketto]

The Lockwood MK2 has access to the CS15 Scarlet Cylindrical Laser because it's a marksman rifle, which means it's still possible to reduce the Wardens' standing hipfire spread to zero. Not exactly ideal, but still fun for "pre-aiming" corners or if you're able to pause for a bit before firing at longer ranges. It also works on the slugs, turning the Wardens into akimbo "marksman rifles." With the laser and slugs, the Wardens no longer need a choke for minimizing standing hipfire spread, so the SA Schweigen DX suppressor can be added to boost the slug velocity without much of a downside. Getting a "OHK" on somebody out past 50m with them is hilarious, but without magnification and having to stand still before firing makes this setup a fun party trick instead of practical. Watching people pick up the CS15 laser+slug Wardens and try to use them without realizing what they're dealing with is also hilarious.

[@davitdavid7165]

Good setup Should also put on the sniper scope for good luck

[@cheng2006]

i tried to use the scarlet laser for the longbow with jak tyrant and having to stand still was too punishing especially when you get hit and flinch. still fun beaming fools but you'll never be top of the scoreboard

[@Kuriketto]

@@cheng2006 Don't think this laser was ever made available for snipers. Maybe you're talking about another weapon like a marksman rifle.

[@cheng2006]

@@Kuriketto oops you're right, it was supposed to be the bas b with the outlaw kit.

[@MT-yy9up]

What a great, well informed comment. Kudos to you Kuriketto

[@BlancoTheSlime]

These aftermarket weekly parts seem dumb to go after , there good for 2 days then get nerfed into the ground everytime

[@ohnobro3770]

If this is into the ground then you shouldn’t be using them anyway lol

[@IncredibleFlyinSquid]

I don't even bother unlocking them until the next season if the challenges are too tedious.

[@ryandubs7826]

You don't deserve to use them if you only want to use them when they are broken and unbalanced. I'm still frying with them, you just don't want to put in the effort.

[@Honeneko.]

That's the fun.

[@briantryin6113]

Idk the BP50 one still seems pretty solid.

[@Honeneko.]

The Scarlet Laser which reduces minimum spread to near zero, but you need to stand still for like a second or tap your movement option to retain the smallest spread possible. The Crown Breaker Choke, in combination, reduces the spread to zero.

[@CalebMay-bf1ci]

Not anymore

[@nicholasborrelli7544]

​@@CalebMay-bf1ciNo this still works...but people don't play the game standing still the entire time...

[@Honeneko.]

@@CalebMay-bf1ci Yes it does. "Scarlet Laser". Most people don't use it bc it gives you a massive moving hipfire when you move, close to sniper rifles. But when you stand still for a second, it reduces spread to near zero. If you wanted, you could use it like a hardscoping sniper.

[@Honeneko.]

@@nicholasborrelli7544 This. About half the sniper rifles users stay still to take their shot. I just stop behind cover and tap my A & D keys to peek if and when I use it.

[@whateybify]

THANK YOU!!! I BASICALLY REVERTED THE PATCH... BUT DON'T ANYBODY ELSE OR THAT'LL GET NERFED TOO. 😭

[@gregoryosbun4141]

I think its a good change. Majority of the games I've played had people using this aftermarket part and it was ridiculous because of how tight the spread was because it was like a slug without the slug rounds and because of that the range potential was too strong. So with the nerfs it keeps it in place. It still is strong, just cant stretch the ridiculous range with it

[@angelicfighters-24]

This was exactly what i wanted, not gonna lie i am gonna miss the crazy long shots i used to get but this is perfect.

[@ehigieEseosa]

Yea the gun was crazy someone dropped 200+ kills with this in war mode can’t compete against it pre patch

[@Ryze2803]

Honestly it still feels really good after the nerfs, no reason to complain

[@ehigieEseosa]

@@Ryze2803 damn so am not gonna stop seeing them in games great

[@angelicfighters-24]

@@ehigieEseosa yep! You cant get rid of us

[@DWarrior619]

8:28 I rock the big 8x Heatsource thermal optics on these just for funsies

[@rockbolton8173]

These really weren't that strong when you compare them to the longbow, but CoD players have an aneurysm whenever shotguns are even remotely viable.

[@cristianlotti5328]

Imagine trying something bigger than Shipment, that would be awful

[@Razgriz_Ace18]

A shotgun not being able to perform past 15m?! Impossible, if it can perform on Shipment, clearly I should be concerned about them on Wasteland, High-rise, and literally everything.

[@BetaBreaking]

​@@Razgriz_Ace18Man i do miss MW2 Shipment. I loved mapping people across the map with my Lockwood 600

[@Razgriz_Ace18]

@@BetaBreaking and ya know what's crazy about that? SMGs, ARs, LMGs, and even some snipers/marksman rifles were able to complete if played right and with a team who wasn't braindead. Only thing that struggled was melee weapons because they were kinda not great in MW2.

[@jacksonwagner992]

Haymaker AMP is infinitely the most cancerous shit useable and no pump shotgun even comes close. I’d rather someone be running the wardens or even shotgun and riot shield but if it’s riot shield and haymaker absolute ass

[@micheal7517]

its kinda crazy that there are several one shot guns with insane range, but not one shotgun has a one shot past 10m. fuckin ridiculous.

[@That_Guy_Nick]

Cuz it's a shotgun not a sniper

[@swiftblaqness]

​@@That_Guy_Nick10 m isn't far genius. Snipers are better than shorttys in most medium range situations. Especially on shotguns that require a pump or lever you need the one shot potential.

[@That_Guy_Nick]

@@swiftblaqness because shotguns are purely made for point blank situations,(inside houses, ally ways, etc…) then you have smgs for the next damage range beyond shotguns. Having shotguns one shot in an any smg damage range would be annoying and just make smgs completely useless in the first place. Just my opinion though

[@swiftblaqness]

@@That_Guy_Nick actually they are made for a close - medium situations. That's the problem with people is they think you're supposed to only get a one shot if you're right up in someone's face how does that make sense ? then a knife out classes me or a person with a high rate of fire SMG. SMGs and shotguns operate in the same area of effectiveness numbnuts. Video games have you thinking a shotgun is made for 10 ft away LoL and your logic makes zero sense when you factor in 90% of the snipers in this game, most of which you can put short-range sights on or red dots and build the weapon for speed to the point where I completely out class is a shotgun at closes and medium range

[@swiftblaqness]

@@That_Guy_Nick no shotguns are supposed to be for close to medium range. The same range as SMGs, video games having people think shotguns or pointless outside of 10 ft lmfao. Yeah shotguns are supposed to be good that's why people use them. That's the problem with these video games in the first place. Ars are medium too long, snipers and light machine gun should stick strictly be long. You're own logic completely goes out of the window when you consider most of the snipers in this game can have low magnification zoom scopes, or a Red Dot or even no scope. Plus also be built for speed, thoroughly making them more effective and close to medium range than a shotgun. Modern warfare 2 had some of the best shotguns of all time and still the AR SMG and snipers outclassed them. Having a weapon that has a limit on range in itself is a huge negative, when a person with a shotgun see someone outside of their range they literally have to run away or just accept their fate. And have to play strategically to where they stick to areas where their weapon is good. People act as if it just all happens by chance

[@GoesWithTheNameOfGTJ]

Sprintout time is still crazy compared to other shotguns, really frustrating to play against

[@AdrianGK47]

So yesterday me and my friends played for the first time in a while, we unlocked these shottys and didn't know they got nerfed until I saw this video today. They're still really good

[@diligaf1000]

It was fun while it lasted 😂. These things were soooo broken but also super fun

[@LordAngelus]

yeah and now it sucks.

[@FunnySansMan]

@@LordAngelusNah, it just ain’t a sniper anymore, being able to "one shot" somebody at 30 meters with shotguns is insane

[@LordAngelus]

@@FunnySansMan and a 3-4 hit kill at close range, combined with a slow fire rate isn't insane? It's insanely bad. No one is gonna use it anymore so congrats to SHG, I guess.

[@FunnySansMan]

@@LordAngelus Brodie if you were getting 3-4 hit kills pre-patch with these things you should just quit the game 😂 if you’re talking about postpatch, then you’re still wrong because they’re still a oneshot within like 15 meters, you just ain’t gonna be able to use it like a sniper. Trust me, I know from experience cause I used the hell outta these things, so if you sucked with them, that’s on you.

[@Mehreggie]

@@LordAngelus ngl you just suck

[@diegiok8778]

this was a good balance change , as much as i love the duelies. going up agaisnt it while getting sniped from narnia isn’t fun . glad to see them make long range fights less optimal in this patch

[@mando3662]

These things were too fun it actually hurts that they got nerfed. Now there just basic shotguns with a cool reload.

[@projectbeneficial163]

3:47 HAHA POOR GUY!!!

[@BoisegangGaming]

Press F to pay respects.

[@errdayvillain]

It was fun while it lasted. I personally haven't had a problem with them in my games. Also having the spread that thight required some level of aiming. However it's true that the range was way off. I haven't tried them yet after nerf but from what I see they now are just right.

[@blurred939]

I didn't use these. But just like the pre-patch KV Broadside, these had to get nerfed. I miss how broken that used to be sometimes.

[@fteej7861]

Per your perk rebalance video, the assault gloves would also tighten hipfire spread.

[@nickpic93]

Tbh, most games I played with the launch of this aftermarket part, I have not seen it often.. I guess now no one will be using it already..

[@MartianBuddy]

I missed out pre-Nerf jak warden, but was able to cook a sniper. It’s a consistent 2-3 shot (1 shot per gun). Scarlet makes it more consistent 2 shot but you have play stop n go n corners a lot more like it’s CSGO. Thx for the help ace. I finally made a good build.😊

[@danualscarbrough643]

These seem actually nicely balanced. No more one shoting from halfway across the map like. They suck because they aren’t insanely op? That’s dumb

[@DatFastBoi]

to me the only problem is the sprint out time, the spread was fine

[@stackymc65]

The JAK Revenger kit for the BP-50 is one of the few aftermarket parts that is still worth using i.m.o

[@jboy77]

Throw on the Chrios holo sight, your aiming walk speed increases alot seemingly due to a glitch.

[@σεα-ψ9ε]

That kit is unfair

[@Lorkooss]

I think the best thing, and still overpowered thing about this gun is the really fast sprint to fire time. It's way to fast

[@starrazz]

Great video, But What are the best build now?

[@hostileactual7655]

They completely nutter these AMPs there's just a very few that are even fun to use. Personally I would just like a consistent slugged pump shotgun. Now we just get MCW, MORS, JAKBP50 lobbies.

[@rxdm95]

3:49😂😂😂😂 them team mates there... also, im glad they nerfered these. They were fun while it lasted👍🏽

[@Claro_7]

i would like to see a shotguns comparation to see what shotgun is the best

[@iamGLOP]

If you use the laser that has 100% while not moving you can make them feel like before the patch. i found a fun way to run these if you slide cancel (slide then press jump, and let go of the stick) you will have 100% accuracy again. I call it the CSGO laser. Been nasty in search turn a corner sliding cancel let go of the left stick and shoot it i will be 100% again and is very viable to use

[@iamGLOP]

cs15 scarlet! Try it out Slide then press a while letting go of the stick you'll still have some forward momentum to turn a corner and you'll be 100% again its so fun

[@AliFOJ5]

I played with them yesterday when they got nerfed and they were still playing great. Its a nerd but I think they will do find even with less range

[@swiftblaqness]

What pisses me off most about these nurfs is that they don't even tell people. Plenty of times I unlock a weapon and use it and think it's amazing set up classes for it , come back to the game and feel like something's off. Sometimes I know it is right away but other weapons I don't until weeks later I find out why I've been unable to kill anybody with a God damn thing. I wonder how many weapons I liked originally and made a class with and now they suck but I just keep using them thinking they're still as good as they were back then. This buffing and patching s*** was a good idea at first but now it's just gotten out of hand. They do it so often that it almost doesn't even matter what you do one weapon you like this week will be garbage next week in a weapon you didn't care for last week will be good this week. They are there basically just trading all the stats around between weapons. I'm getting really sick of it either bring the weapon out balanced or don't change it once you bring it out . I'm tired of every time I play this game having to go back and research all the patches for every weapon in my classes because something feels off about them. Attachments on my gun that were previously good now are garbage it's f****** ridiculous to be Frank.

[@HellDemonKyoKurosaki]

We knew it was coming. It was just nice for some of us classic players being able to revist old memories with the op1887's.

[@ProjektDesigns]

This change made it an actual shotgun instead of an akimbo sniper.

[@fpslifelegacy6902]

Headshot with a slug going 168 m/s at a long range: _Instant kill_ Headshot with an average assault rifle round going 500 m/s at point blank: _This but a scratch_

[@weirdeurasianboy8091]

_😊_

[@mikomondaysharp]

even using cod logic 12 gauge slug weighing 438gr going 168m/s is almost 3 times the energy of 55gr 5.56 @ 500m/s lol

[@n0ah7]

Keep this the way it is right now, SHG. One of the most fun gun to play with atm along with Akimbo Renetti for me.

[@ItsOnlyGenjutsu]

2:12 Bro, WHAT DO YOU MEAN. In the crowd I run with... They go prone _all_ the time, even to get point blank shots :') Added Context: Snipers, ARs, Marksman Rifles, Battle Rifles, LMGs, RPGs, MMGs, HMMGGs, *_and_* knives.

[@MrSparkles5017]

"Put them inline with the other shotguns in the game" You mean awful? I guess even after this nerf they're still the best shotguns in the game though

[@Razgriz_Ace18]

But you see, it's still the best shotgun because it isn't a shotgun at heart. But yeah, everytime they've had 150 HP in CoD, shotguns have been rough and Snipers (the other 1 shot class) are just way better.

[@Oznerol1234]

Thank god shotguns are trash

[@ohnobro3770]

I hope they’re trash in every other cod game after this lmao learn how to aim

[@emwols]

@@ohnobro3770learn how to aim? This aftermarket part was literally hipfiring a sniper shot. You need literally the bear aim with this weapon vs any other weapon in the game or it will perform terribly

[@omerdeveoglu6791]

@@ohnobro3770 Skill issue

[@JPDD2]

Can you use just one at a time? I didn’t even try to unlock them. Been too busy and figured it’d get nerfed anyway after a couple matches against it.

[@dillonwolcott7655]

Nah they’re akimbo only, and they’re still the best shotgun by far since you can reliably one shot to about 15 meters if you shoot both at once

[@TheXclusiveAce]

You can but it's generally not the best method unless you're in very close quarters against multiple enemies.

[@dillonwolcott7655]

@@TheXclusiveAce now we need an aftermarket part for the aftermarket part that’s let’s you brace them and unload them almost full auto

[@Honeneko.]

You can fire one at a time. But you can't just use one without the conversion kit. Turns it back into a marksman rifle.

[@Ccubed92]

Im actually curious why most of the community cries when overpowered weapons get nerfed. I think broken weapons make kids feel better about themselves or they love using anything braindead. Which is crazy to me.

[@sly0422]

Its not about just being braindead but its a game so its fun to occasionally go braindead and use the cheese, rather that then have to sweat everygame with the same meta setups in pubs

[@scabbers5014]

@@sly0422 definitely think this issue would get fixed more by lighter sbmm instead of op weapons

[@ryandubs7826]

They claim it's "fun" at the cost of others. I call it "Dictator Mentality". A dictatorship is only fun for the dictator, everyone else is a victim.

[@ohnobro3770]

@@sly0422 this logic is flawed cause sweats pick up the over powered weapons way faster than casuals lmao

[@Honeneko.]

@@ohnobro3770 Not flawed. They didn't mention the sweats. They're used to changing "META".

[@seesidesummerhouse6112]

Time is a flat circle.

[@MrPeanut17lufc]

It's probably a good thing overall but.... I finally unlocked them today and didn't get full use of them like others the past few days. They are still pretty deadly

[@jolbertti7421]

Good. Game with sbmm cant have unbalanced guns

[@Its-Ghoul]

Just use the crown breaker choke and the cs15 scarlet cylindrical laser and you get the same hipfire reticle pre nerf

[@iambane7845]

They're just very inconsistent now

[@TheStudio_70]

Very inconsistent!!

[@RockCandy0l]

I kinda wished they would've kept them op brings back memories of how they were in 2009 Like instead of 43% hipspred nurf why not like 25% still a nurf but would leave some wiggle room to be fun to use

[@R1Prev]

They should just make the moving hipfire spread the same as the idle spread

[@adamg2882]

I just stop moving and crouch before every shot. Still op

[@joshuachampagne3819]

All the shotguns in the game need to be buffed. The MWII shotguns are all useless.

[@yasnightbringer5892]

Unlucky Better nerf the BP50 kit into ground

[@danielballestas5532]

Ace, regarding the scopes I understand your point but don't agree, yet I love that you acknowledged those comments. Keep up this amazing content Chief!

[@HighTierGaming123]

Irrelevant, but I love your pfp

[@andreww026]

The whole point of adding in a remake of the Akimbo 1887’s is because they were ridiculously OP, as well as nostalgic.

[@jolbertti7421]

Back then there was no sbmm.. this would mean high skill lobbies are akimbo only

[@akaDOOD]

They were overpowered for 1 month in 2009 then got nerfed into the ground

[@NinetyTwoElite]

And they were OP. The change is welcome

[@Gillandria]

Nerfed already lol glad I didn’t bother

[@Mr_Possibility]

Still pretty good , just not op

[@Chromefall]

I mean they were over performing over other shotguns, even better than the original 1887

[@Honeneko.]

You missed out on the fun. Still good though.

[@Liger_Soba]

@@Mr_Possibility Still technically the best shotgun though, which I’m happy for ngl. Considering that the devs love shitting on shotguns and making them horrid.

[@jamiehalfkin5813]

They are literally still broken if your even half decent at the game lmfao👍💯

[@ketlyn38]

best attachments pre patch were crown breaker choke and the hipshot laser. crossairs heavely overlaped while moving. now its nerfed into the ground

[@Welshmanshots]

i just used that loadout and it was still pretty good not insane but honestly i think they did this on purpose as a nod to the broken M1887s from mw2

[@2REAL2bFAKE]

- I wonder if the Holger 26 is better then the LSW post patch ?

[@kiezer21]

Can we talk about how they removed losses not counting on your stats when you join mid-match? Kinda bs that I’m penalized for joining when the opposing team is up 2:1.

[@Jester4460]

Me when a shrot ranged weapon is only good for short range

[@xebenatrosxeracroft5178]

The change the Warden & some of the other conversion kits need is some of the attachment slots opened, the Warden for example, at best, only 2 or 3 attachments are worth equipping, there should be more options for it as well as the other kits.

[@rakysreplays8259]

Until now I'm trying the shotgun hehe, it's fun, but after the nerf I don't know what attachments to use, which ones do you recommend? 😅

[@IAmMadMattDog]

oh well, i got a few hours of pre nerf use and man, most fun ive had and plenty of salt in chat, are the bryson chokes now the go to attachments?

[@GegeCheezitLord]

I think that the Wardens are fine now. Though I wish they'd just reduced general range rather than pellet spread which in term makes them more inconsistent in general, they're more in line with the rest of the guns and still the best (and coolest) shotguns by far.

[@M0D776]

Crown Muzzle, That one laser that helps sliding accuracy and Slugs are close enough to pre-patch without the "Stop moving for like a second, then shoot" from that one other laser, as you can still move and your spread is not going to go haywire, sure, it's not going to kill at 30m, but those 15m are not bad at all, and yes, I would've rather just get a nerf to the general range and just slightly tweak the spread instead of the big spread change, but hey, doesn't make them less cool, right? 😅

[@M0D776]

Crown Muzzle, That one laser that helps sliding accuracy and Slugs are close enough to pre-patch without the "Stop moving for like a second, then shoot" from that one other laser, as you can still move and your spread is not going to go haywire, sure, it's not going to kill at 30m, but those 15m are not bad at all, and yes, I would've rather just get a nerf to the general range and just slightly tweak the spread instead of the big spread change, but hey, doesn't make them less cool, right? 😅

[@MaYkO-WWH]

I was having a lot of fun using these in their previous state. They may have been a little excessive but the game was actually fun to play for once. Taking away the fun factor is pretty much in line with their doctrine of taking away something unique in the name of balance. Who cares if the player base is having fun. The developers don't want us to have fun they want to have balance.

[@ralts6464]

Tbh the nerf makes it still better than any shotgun. Sure it takes two shots at one range but you double your fire rate AND can still “one shot” at longer range where other shotguns need two shots to kill

[@Purplepentapus_]

Damn, I know its a necessary change, but I didn't get a chance to play with the OP boomsticks

[@michaeldavis5886]

I mean the long shots will be missed dearly but I hate they nerf all the aftermarket parts.

[@stevefinesse]

I haven’t even been playing been busy and it just sucks this got nerfed before I could play with them

[@James-uo8wi]

It’s a good change but the sprint to fire speed is still silly

[@S3BAST1AN696]

I just wish we increased the sprint to fire on shotguns overall. Shotguns are so weak despite their overall limitations. When compareed to snipers the other one shot kill weapon they actually feel a los more incosistent even at vlose range that snipers. I would just like them to balance the shotgun as a more close quarters running ans gunning weapons.

[@Razgriz_Ace18]

But if we do that, how are snipers supposed to have fun in cqc and SMGs allowed to stay dominant? Clearly we have to appease them and the shotgun is just meant to be a primary melee weapon.

[@ohnobro3770]

@@Razgriz_Ace18if most of the playerbase doesn’t like shotguns then yeah. Go make and play a shotgun fps lol

[@Razgriz_Ace18]

@@ohnobro3770 Or, and hear me out, you can get good and not corner camp/rush the guy with a strong rush weapon. Similar to I see a sniper glint down a lane and I don't have that kinda range, I back off and find another route to get his ass. Simple.

[@Chrisspycross]

You absolutely right. In mw2 i was using shooties n all the other weapons as well, having fun, but now they nerfed them till the ground. Wont even bother using it to challenge against an smg player with way better sprintout time. Would be nice to give ppl the variation of weapons with competitive stats, like the marksmans back in mw2, pistols even the launchers. Now they force us to use only machine guns. U choose any other 'fun gun' these sweaty lobbies you not stand a chance. I do enjoy mw3 dont get me wrong, but it could add some color to the game. ✌

[@ohnobro3770]

@@Razgriz_Ace18 I’ll never have to cause these shotguns are ass 🤣

[@rock-steady-yeti]

Ace is the best at nicely telling someone they are wrong, get em Ace. Cheers on the video.

[@erikbukovac5944]

the damage is fine now, but that 35ms sprint to fire is still too fast. thats faster than most pistols and almost 5 times faster than other one shot shotguns

[@Honeneko.]

That's lame. I just realized that High Grain Ammo on the AMR is locked to the Atlas kit. I have it equipped on one I saved. Should work if the advanced stats still show up.

[@japanime313]

Ridiculous just like when they nerfed them in OG MW2 why can't they just let us have fun

[@Trabreno30]

They need to do a significantly better job of balancing these so that they don’t get nerfed within a week after they release.

[@Grandmaster_Vic]

I’m glad I was able to enjoy these guns when they were OP. It was such a blast from the past for me. I used to abuse these guns back in MW2 before they were patched. I already knew that these guns were gonna patched in this game so I wanted to use them as much as I could before they were gonna get nerfed. I mean the guns are okay now, pretty good up close but you’re not gonna be able to hit anything at long range anymore

[@ivac98]

with slugs you can have 0° before patch, now its something like 1°

[@claytonmessinger6794]

Not sure why this nerf in particular, these things are still REALLY good up close lol, the only difference now is that the spread is locked to minimum 1 degree, and it’s easier to hit shots. If anything, they kinda buffed these at close range.

[@KryptoKn8]

They're just vastly more inconsistent. Like some shots on 5m range, even straight un the middle of my CH, just don't kill... sometimes it hits like an actual truck, other times it feels like a watergun

[@kamranhussain4419]

Does the reload perks increase the rate of fire with these?

[@BEMagic18]

I haven’t watched the video nor will I but seeing “do the suck now” makes me happy I hope they do, they need to nerf all the one shot weapons in this game. Public match snd is unplayable because of shotguns and snipers.

[@wojak7344]

Sounds like u suck at the game

[@sirgatto5435]

Adding an Sniper Optic will increase your range? I have seen a lot of players with an Sniper Optic to to this shotgun.

[@drsus0]

man.. i was really enjoying this thig! so much fun

[@Filthy150]

I’ve been getting a lot of Backfire medals with the Jak Warden’s.

[@DerLichert]

i dont even know what there were thinking with the weapon. It was fun not gonna lie, because everytime someone the enemie pulled the weapon i had an excuise to use it too. Then the whole lobby starts with the weapon....

[@orbitalzero8745]

Once I saw that red background in the thumbnail I knew it was bad news...

[@sociallysavage5978]

This gun wasn't nerfed to the point of significance. They would impact their sales if they do. The Bal 27, which didn't need one, was destroyed though as usual. This game caters to bad players and kids and it's so sad

[@bluelab5019]

Why keep adding stuff in the game that keeps getting nerfed a week later? Do the devs actually test anything before releasing it?

[@CasualYoutubeEnjoyer70]

Everytime i want to play something you recommend they already get nerfed before i have the attachments and max level or getting the jak attachment itself takes to long

[@enriquecarcamo6181]

What about zombies do u get th same affect as other shotguns with slugs?

[@blikthepro972]

the models repeated history, and managed to technically be worse than the original by having a kill range of 29 meters opposed to 20. i will say however they overnerfed the hipfire. they could've harmed it less while toning down the kill range

[@zampi9502]

Works like before in Hardcore 👍🏼😁

[@oscarfunez3806]

Honestly. Still very much reliable but no longer busted with it's 29M 1 shot range. I mean, that was crazy. I dont get why they have the Incendiary ammo when it doesn't help the gun at all, and very unlikely, you will never fire towards vehicles or killstreaks. Just add the dragons' breath ammo type instead for fun. The range values would actually keep it in check as is already. Anywho. Overall, a very fair nerf, not nerfed into the ground but nerfed enough to keep it in check. Still a reliable weapon in QC and fun to use.

[@Moneyboi98]

Ace the goat fr

[@jayintee]

These were not even broken before, the Bryson took the same amount of shots to kill in Warzone & MP

[@thomasmcmullen5702]

Exclusive Ace why is there no prestige for this gun? Weird.

[@Rustydude2030]

Why do they even bother with the ammo types with the shotguns if there isn't any use case for them over the base ammo? So dumb. SMH.

[@logo927]

So what you’re saying is that they nerfed a choke from actually doing what it’s supposed to do..

[@epicgamerzfail4575]

sad the other ammo types are still mostly bad. Like the base gun was strong, but there was never a reason to use the other ammo types outside of memes. Why slugs get a hipfire NERF is beyond me

[@theweekndxo7438]

The slugs are supposed to be what the pre-patch wardens were in the first place lol, it's like the devs forgot the entire point of the slug rounds

[@BetaBreaking]

​@@theweekndxo7438if theu kept the hipfire the exact same, shat would be the point of the nerf? Everyone would simply switch over to the slug rounds. I knew right off the bat after the buff last Friday that they would nerf the hipfire spread. It was simply too consistent at range. Its still super viable and im definitely going to keep running it, theu just put the weapon back in place thats appropriate for shotguns

[@theweekndxo7438]

@@BetaBreakingNo I'm just saying that the entire point of slugs is to have less pellets that have a tighter spread and deal more damage. They do none of those things. The spread is terrible and it's not a consistent one shot kill.

[@London.Bridgez]

They were never broken to begin with... Sledgehammer knew what they were doing though. Played off the nostalgia factor of the original pre patched 1887s from 2009 to get as many people on to grind for them, then nerf them.

[@ZackThoreson]

Time is a flat circle

[@jovanic38]

Indeed

[@CalebMay-bf1ci]

Alright relax Nitche

[@jovanic38]

@@CalebMay-bf1ci ⏲️ ⏳️ 🕐

[@robracer97]

I knew it was going to happen, glad I unlocked them faster

[@gabrielmorrisroe7814]

Pain… I know these were pretty broken but they were so much fun. A good throwback to the old ones. It was fun while it lasted

[@JorJorBinks123]

Before watching the video. No they’re still super fun and slightly overpowered. After watching! Basically followed the 1887 nerf. Still fun

[@swiftblaqness]

Of course I didn't play for 4 weeks when I get back I'm ecstatic to see the models were brought back just in time to unlock them and see that they are garbage.

[@someweeb3650]

So they made the buckshot not a slug and they made the slugs almost as good