They are making fake SEIKOs now?

The discontinued Alpinist SARB017 is a special watch, but buying one these days can be a mine field. Well, I stepped on one.
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[@amitsalam1]

Dude right before I was about to click buy on this watch your video came up on my youtube feeds. I am so grateful to you for putting this together. Definitely helped me better evaluate the watch in the pictures prior to making the purchase. Appreciate you man and your honesty.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Whew 😅. Yeah man, careful

[@Sexiestmanalive01]

As if. Nobody buys Seikos anywhere else than legit dealerships

[@kingorkid007]

We appreciate this honest video! I have been getting into the journey of collecting Seiko Alpinists and this is a quick reality check for me to avoid pains in the future.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Definitely vet your seller

[@wandering_seconds9741]

I bought my SARB017 at the start of 2020 for £375 and remember at the time I had thought about it for months but not pulled the trigger. At the time it was a lot of money for me but I'm so glad I finally did and although I have a couple of much more expensive watches now, it's still the one I get the most excited about every time I check the time. It's also the watch that, for better or worse, got me into Grand Seiko. I'm sorry to hear your repurchase ended on a sour note. That gold tone on the other hand, that's a beauty!

[@jakus68]

You can tell nearly instantly by the logo being polished. I received a fake one back in 2019.

[@lane2063]

Your honesty is to be commended. You could’ve stayed silent and saved face but you did the honorable thing in service to our hobby. Hopefully you will one day be reunited with your old friend. Thanks for the video.

[@kywatchguy7154]

Max, I'm sorry you got taken, but thank you for sharing and helping to enlighten the rest of us. As for all of the "just go buy from an AD" comments, I respectfully submit that not all of us live near an AD, and some of us may not want to be fleeced by one, anyway.

[@DC-uf6ve]

Probably got better chance of the chapter ring being lined up in a Feiko

[@FFFFelix]

😅

[@nickbandz009]

😂😂

[@YoungMacy]

Ya that’s how you know it’s fake lmao

[@balesjo]

I keep going back to the older design of Alpinist. The design of the gold hands and the vibrant green just set my heart singing!

[@rickybobbysdriver555]

Glad you were able to catch it and let others know. This is an expensive hobby and there will always be those that will try to profit from it. I'm sure this won't affect your love for the hobby.

[@dgdave2673]

Been a owner of SPB210 for two months now, it’s a superb watch. After regulating its accurate to +/- 5 secs a day depending on how you set the watch at rest. But one thing I was sure from the beginning is to buy it from an AD. I was able to register with Seiko also without any issues.

[@JT-by8tz]

I also bought the SPB210 from my local AD. It is a beautiful addition to my collection. It has remained within 10 seconds of the atomic clock for weeks. Love it!

[@chrisj854]

I just purchased the Seiko Prospex Alpinist green dial | SPB121J1 and installed a strapcode Asteroid Watch bracelet look so good together

[@Mmarks9156]

Max, appreciate you sharing your story and providing our community with guidance and knowledge. Keep these vids coming. Happy New Year

[@watchchimp3102]

I bought a fake Cocktail Time a couple years ago off ebay; luckily I was able to return it and the seller was banned.

[@Zotrax1946]

I’ve stopped wearing my Sarb017 if and when I’m driving- not joking, I can’t stop staring at it. The dial is mesmerizing, especially in the sunlight! So after a few mishaps that fortunately didn’t end bad, I decided to separate those two things…

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Haha I have the same experience behind the wheel... It's dangerous

[@diverdave2179]

Appreciate the honesty and the PSA. I too have owned the 017 and it is beautiful. Have since sold it off and gotten more into Orients. No guarantees I won't buy another Alpinist though, that Laurel model is classy!

[@gerardowmby7156]

A more detailed comparison than the other review I saw, and easier to spot the fake. I didn't have to open up the watch to get the truth. I'm convinced I have the real one now. Thanks.

[@MCWordicus]

I bought one of these way back when the Alpinist was discontinued, fortunately the seller accepted return and refund, but it disheartened me on the model. Kind of wish I did try and get a real one back then because I've been loving the newer Prospex release. I even bought a Strapcode bracelet for the fake one, luckily it fits the new model after four years in the drawer.

[@m.l.679]

Wow. Great Vid! immediately check my SARB017. All good (I bought new from Japan 3 years ago. Watch came with all the tags codebar, price in yen etc, crown turns about 2 turns before locking). FYI, the buckle on the original strap is not SEIKO signed, it's normal.

[@luxorcephrenSE23]

Just pulled out my SARB017 on a jubilee bracelet, and passed all the checks! (Phew!) Thanks for your honesty!

[@gregvassilakos]

One thing I don't understand is why the Chinese counterfeiters don't establish their own watch brands. They are clearly able to produce very attractive watches at low prices. All they would need to do is change the logo from Seiko to something like Great Wall or Golden Dragon, change the strap and the color of the dial to avoid patent or copyright infringement, impose some basic quality controls, and produce a few ads attesting to the quality of the watches. Another thing I don't understand is why they waste their time counterfeiting Seiko when they could be counterfeiting Omega or Rolex. It can't be much more expensive to produce a fake Rolex than it is to produce a fake Seiko.

[@RyanBofMKE]

I felt this video was very helpful. Pulls reality in, and gives us a small reality check. I'm sorry to hear this Max!

[@Ta_nuz]

sorry for your loss brother. we learn the hard way. money comes & goes, it can be replaced but the enthusiasm & anticipation one awaits to enjoy is lost.

[@davidcrandall4958]

I think I am starting to lose that enthusiasm because of the Horrible greed that has invaded my once sacred Hobby!

[@AgentJ415]

I'ce been looking to buy one of these alpinists since last year. Thanks for the detailed heads up.

[@Ge0rGi.]

I'm sorry for this bad experience! But I have to tell you something ; Seiko sarb017 is not the OG green alpinist , the original Seiko green alpinist is the SCVF009 ;it was released in 1995.

[@iTziLLUMY]

The sarb035 and SARB017 was both available at Amazon Canada store. I only had the money for one so I made the decision to buy the sarb035. I regretted the purchase and wanted the SARB017 Alpinist instead. After months of checking Amazon every single day and emailing them if they will ever restock, for the 8 months checking everyday it restocked and was happy it’s in my collection. Currently it’s on a strap code jubilee bracelet and it’s heavy af but looks pretty. Might go back with the uncle Seiko bracelet in the future.

[@CarlosAguila]

Great video Max!! With inflated prices for older 1990's tech (SKX for instance) they did inadvertently create a space for fakes. UNfortunately in your case you got a fake that is inferior to the original. But like Fake Panerai and say Fake SKX's the fakes come with superior upgrades. ps. the 6r15 has it's issues with barrel and mainspring constantcy not sure it's "better" than the titan 4r35. Longer poower reserves come at a price.

[@linusling9560]

Hey Max. Great video. Thanks for pointing it out. I got the alpinist shortly after your video. Going to check it out now!

[@vintko]

I knew immediately when I saw your previous video that the watch was fake (the rounded SEIKO emblem was the dead give-a-way). I contemplated shooting you a private message to let you know, but 9/10 times that approach is met with denial/hostility, and I didn't want to start any beef. Major "OH SNAP!" when I saw the thumb-nail for this video. Good on you for putting this out there and letting folks know! Cheers!

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Thanks dude, I really gotta be more careful

[@Tangylives]

I bet the "6r15" marking on the rotor is a stamped and glued on rotor cover. If you take a knife and remove it... probably says "NH35" underneath.

[@gerardowmby7156]

Yeah, like I'm going to take a knife to the inside of my watch.

[@hootonhoot]

I bought a “refurbished “ 017 that is one of those sophisticated fakes off eBay a couple of years ago for $260. Even bought an Uncle Seiko bracelet for it and the end links wouldn’t fit!! It keeps good time, has a sapphire crystal, and looks great- case looks totally legit and I can’t ethically sell it, so I’m just going to enjoy my $260 purchase forever!

[@karabiner159]

Bought one in 2020 for literally $20 under the market price... It was a fake. Wasn't even too good to be true lol. Ideezwarrideez

[@Biking360]

First time I've watched on of your videos and really enjoyed it. Subscribed. Thanks for taking the time to upload and share. JP

[@robertbrandywine]

I wish someone would disassemble the movement so we could see the difference. Personally, I think the fake looks okay on the outside. I'd probably never notice the minor differences if you hadn't pointed them out.

[@noneofyourbusiness4622]

In Vietnam 1966, fake Seikos were available. Genuine used Seiko was $75, the fakes were $20 and lasted maybe a week.

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[@johnstyron6543]

I am really grateful for videos just like this. I bought and sold a fake vintage seamaster. I never knew until the guy I sold it to had some repairs done on the watch. Obviously I offered to buy it back but I thought I could tell real from fake and the criminals just keep getting better!

[@askdavidsen]

got to say your videos are a masterpiece, always an enjoyment to see you have posted a new video!

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[@kingminh]

maybe the bezel insert is better aligned in the fake.

[@joeskeptical4762]

*Ha ha...* 🙂🙃

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LOL

[@jeeperspeepers8323]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@anindyaganguly5243]

Now on I have decided to buy watch I will buy from the retailer. No more websites or anything else. Pay more, may be 200-300 bucks but get genuine stuff. Worst thing to buy is a fake of any branded stuff. If I want cheap, I will wear unbranded or cheaper brand. But always from retail shops.

[@billhayward1585]

I know that feeling, you find that beautiful girl at the wild party . But the next morning you roll over to a shocking surprise!

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Haha, sounds like personal experience 😂

[@sivanstar]

Yeah i got a casio gshock that fell apart after 3 months of day to day use. Fortunately lesson learned without a high cost..

[@gootarguy2320]

"This old lover smelled a little bit different"....... Subscribed!

[@artidox__]

Sorry this happened to you Max! But thanks for the PSAs on Feikos. Will definitely have to be careful when I decide to pick up an Alpinist.

[@jimwatchyyc]

Any Seiko model can and probably will be faked.

[@ClickyBezel]

I came across this same exact fake Alpinist in hand. It is scary good how close these are to the real thing and you wouldn't think twice about it, even with a genuine Alpinist next to it. You really have to have a keen eye to spot the fake. Let alone, most would be caught off guard due to the fact that it's a Seiko! I also covered this watch on my channel and it's unbelievable what has come down to the watch world.

[@WatchfulWizard]

Mine has actually been back to Seiko for service, so it got their seal of approval.

[@zillsburyy1]

if they are like other fakes or homages (sapphire, stamped clasp), then they are better than real seikos

[@casualsuede]

HOw long was it since you found out it's fake? Ebay has a return policy for fake units, but of course, you can't return a watch a year after you bought it but I think you can open a case with Ebay if it was within a month or two.

[@A_Dude_And_His_Watch78]

This happened to me a few years ago with an 017 off eBay. Had to send it back and bought a new one off Amazon. I did a video of it on my channel but I had a crappy phone at the time however, my description of all the tells was pretty much the same as yours. PS Also bought a fake F91W and also got my money back on that one. It's wild out there.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Same fate 😞. Fake Casios blow my mind

[@ABROOKSH]

Thanks for this. Good for you, on all levels, for making this video. It would be interesting to hear about your fake Panerai experience. I ended up buying a fake IWC (many years ago) and it put me off watches for a long time.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

You can look in the back catalog of my video for the Panerai experience! Yeah, it's definitely a setback on morale.

[@AMAMBT]

knowing that I'm not professional in distinguishing fake from authentic i just pay more and buy new or Pre owned from authorized dealer. even my car spare parts , clothes etc .

[@kevinfestner6126]

Ty, even fake Casios, good grief. We live in a time of avarice.

[@waltersjohn6339]

Oy! I just purchased an "unworn" Sarb017 on eBay. It hasn't arrived yet. I wish this video was available a week ago. BTW, how do I get one of those WatcrhCrunch pullovers???

[@rayray..3349]

DAMN, Even though i have Sick feeling in my Stomach, Watching this, I had to Subscribe. THANK U SO MUCH.

[@Iexpedite1]

I bought a fake Rado a few weeks ago. I realized a few hours later what I had bought. I was able to cancel the order. It’s getting bad out there.

[@vic7939]

There are fake Casio F91w's. That's a 10-15 dollar watch. I'm not surprised.

[@BloodyYTNamingNonsense]

Video had me concerned and then I remember that I bought mine directly from Seiko via Amazon.

[@iceicebaby6980]

I found one GREAT seller and I only buy from him. 7 watches so far. Bought two in a store, and I did pay more but there has been fake watches since time was invented....lol.......ONCE I got scammed only $100, but that was enough to wake me up and get a plan. no way ebay. never.

[@simonwright6882]

There are even fake f91w watches on ebay. It's just crazy. I bought one and noticed the display seamed to be off centre and after some research it indeed was fake. Crazy on a £10 watch.

[@jayblue673]

If you really look closely, that fireplace looks fake

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Hahaha 🤣

[@erik35534]

On your other video I thought that the dial looked a bit off compared to my sarb017. But I figured it was just a difference in the lighting.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Yep definitely not the right shade

[@Ray.J]

Do you have any recourse with the seller? Did they knowingly sell you a fake? Knockoffs have plagued many businesses over the years. I don't know why something cannot be done about it, but that's a subject for a different time and place.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

I was actually able to get my money back... With enough threats 😅

[@jamesreardon9422]

Hey I know this video is a bit old. But I just thought you might be interested to know that in all likelihood the case is real, possibly from a scrapped watch. I have fairly good sources for rep and aftermarket parts and not a single whisper has ever suggested that an alpinist case has been produced, certainly not to the level of finishing in the video.

[@dgdave2673]

Agree with you. More of a refurb

[@Dadication3]

Thank you for the great vid. Your honesty is much appreciated. Checking my 017 now…

[@pinkbono]

Sorry for your bad experience, I've read into this thread that you've been refund so it finally ends in a good way. I've got the SARB017 and 3 other Alpinist, the 017 is great, but I would recommend that you'd check on the Rock Face SPB355J1, I own one as well, it is a stunning piece and above the 017 in my opinion.

[@frankieracing1048]

Great video. There's only one point i can't agree with, if you really want the sarb017, get the sarb017, it is simply great, even at 700 to 1000$ i do think it is good value when u look at the specs, finishing and history of this piece. The same can also be said for the sarb033, those watches represent, in my opinion, two of the greatest values ever.

[@Tink-GB]

One other 'tell' you do not mention is that the lume pips around the dial each sit in a raised gold tube. You can see them with a loupe. The fakes have lume directly on the dial with no gold.

[@waynesellers4078]

I really like the blue dialed baby alpinist and I've never seen a fake one of those because I've never seen one for sale used.

[@stephengarratt8027]

Very honest Max, if you can get stitched up , then we all can

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Thanks Stephen 👍

[@MrJava1593]

Also take the serial number and call seiko but just by looking at it I know it's not fake.

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[@boombringer4078]

Sorry to hear about this bro, theres some real arseholes out there. Love your honesty and love the channel!!

[@stockwatches]

It doesn't matter how cheap your watches are; someone will copy them if they appeal to a lot of people. It happened to my brand selling watches at the $150 - $250 price point. The copied watch even appeared in a famous AppleTV show and the copy brand got featured on Hodinkee! I was furious AND Hodinkee never cited my original design.

[@WatchCrunchOfficial]

Sad world 😔

[@mjf2377]

Man I'm sorry you got scammed. But thanks for the warning, it came right in time as I'm also in the market for an Alpinist.

[@antonyreyn]

Oisin O’malley just gave you a shout out on Tim Wrtes latest live steam its at 4hrs30 of the video. Cheers great video

[@Lawrence64]

Thanks for sharing this. Not sure I've got this in the video but, where not to buy fakes? That would be nice to know.

[@darrensmith6999]

Feel your pain sir Have a 017 bought it some years ago and all good. Talking about fakes i have seen Invicta fakes no kidding!

[@Rog5446]

Phew! I just got mine out of the case to check, and it's a good one.

[@ThwmasSt]

very good video! replicas can used for people who wanna try a watch but its not sure about it! best move is all companies do what swatch do with affordable speedmaster version, in my opinion!

[@thewatchmission7693]

Horrible situation, and really cool of you to swallow your pride to tell it.

[@LucasKellis]

Same thing happened to me 2 years ago. a "refurbished" alpinist for $270. I should've known better than something too good to be true. 100% do not promote counterfeit products, its criminal. Subsequently threw it away and purchased a baby alpinist in the fume green dial. Perfection. The lack of crown guards and smaller case is wonderful!

[@sinesaii]

There have been fake SKX’s for years, but I never knew about fake Presages. That is terrifying.

[@davidcrandall4958]

The one at my AD is a Prospex!

[@CompassIIDX]

Sadly I got into watches after the 017 was discontinued. I can't abide the larger case diameter, cyclops, and white date wheel of the new version. Maybe they'll do an authentic re-issue in ten years I can wait for. :[

[@danielm2827]

I bought a fake blue metal Casio oak. It wasn't even much cheaper than the original one. It was my total fault, the pictures were the render from the Casio website, the seller was new and that was his first product, so no reviews. Returns were not permitted but after complaining the seller offered to give me my money back and keep the watch, then the seller disappeared. In the end eBay refunded me most of the money and I kept the fake watch.

[@ekimandersom4478]

In Thailand they sell every model fake Omega Swatch including the box

[@BillLaBrie]

Yes, I own one. I call it the Feiko. At some point I’ll probably put a NH35a in it. It will then be a meta-Seiko. Or something.

[@jananilcolonoscopu4034]

A franken-seiko. Frankeiko? Seikenfranko?...

[@TheHiddenNarrative]

I heard there's even fake Orient's and Casios out there. I don't know if any brand, no matter how cheap is safe.

[@dexterdanieltnt]

Appreciate your honesty and bringing this to light

[@barrondeville1866]

The Alpinist SARB017 is a very nice looking watch. You sold it for $350 why you would even sell it is beyond me, I still have all the watches I have bought or received as gifts since I was a teenager.

[@timmanion7459]

Strangely enough, your safer buying a watch from ebay if you pay over , I think $2500, because it goes to the authenticator before you get it , insuring that it's the genuine article.

[@MichaelOwenUK]

Thanks for sharing your experience!

[@PizzaHomie]

I've been starting to think about about picking up a Pogue recently. Never really thought there could be fake Seikos out there. Thanks for the heads up!

[@pinkbono]

I didn't expect an Alpinist to be fake, but there are thousands of fake vintage Seiko saturating internet. Just check on Seiko Mickey or Donald for exemple, it's a disaster. As of my knowledge, those are made in India. In the same bad fake range, you'll also find a lot of Orient vintage.

[@BAF605]

I don't know about fakes but Pogues are one of the most frankened Seikos out there and have been for years. Take care.

[@ViolinistWilliam]

Fantastic video. Can’t believe this…

[@jinxUKBK]

Great video brother. Its very helpful for us buyers with little to no knowledge. Fakes are so harmful. I get homages like san martin. They homage many seikos but its clear what they are doing with great quality. Fakes are a no no.

[@enrayyt9176]

1k used? Isn't it $929 NEW on amazon with prime

[@charleschuang4865]

sorry to hear about your experience. I bought watches from ebay too. Were you able to get ebay to intervene and get a solution for you with the seller?

[@ddr80]

good cautionary tale! yes I see a lot of franken watches on ebay with variety of dubious seiko parts (dials, logo, case etc), harder to tell when the whole watch is fake, does ebay offer any money back if goods are fake?

[@ahha6304]

I know a brand that should not have a fake, it's Vostok

[@Rob954ever]

Funny....as tempting as it is, I won't buy from Ebay for this very reason. I have a patient that comes in to see me about every three months and he always has a quality watch on. Being a watch guy, I made a comment about the Hamilton Khaki King he was wearing. He immediately said, " It's fake. All of my watches are fake. I get them all on EBay". So he confirmed my suspicions. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dd-dd2co]

There are even fake G-Shocks so I'm not surprised. Damn the counterfeiters.

[@davidcrandall4958]

Absolutely no surprise at all!

[@barrettwbenton]

Well…ouch, Max: I was lucky to score a new Alpinist 017 (via Long Island Watch), just before Seiko announced their axing of the entire SARB line. Couldn't imagine giving the thing up, and I *have* let go one or two watches I could kick myself for now. I knew the "Feiko" situation was bad, but hearing you retell getting burned makes matters worse. Glad the SPB210 is working for you, though I do sense that you'll eventually reacquaint yourself with a *real* 017 eventually. (BIG thanks for this PSA.)

[@key2theuniverse713]

Yanno what tho.... It may not be real but it's not a fake ether in my eyes because the movement is a Seiko.... It's just a custom Seiko made to look like an alpinist