They ARGUED Over Who's BETTER: JAMAL MURRAY or PENNY HARDAWAY

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[@anthony2b173]

HE IS NOT A GUARD..😂😂😂😂

[@swagoneto7922]

GOTTA SAY IT FOUR TIMES 😂

[@SniperTheBliccy8]

Garwd!!!🤣🤣🤣 shout Marz

[@StefIsCold]

😂😂😂😂

[@himmie1]

This is getting ridiculous. As soon someone play well and win a chip they act like they the best player on earth

[@DamagedGoods77]

💯

[@philliprhinehardt6268]

Big facts

[@jalilcook5113]

Facts bruh

[@josephwooden732]

All they look at as numbers and never the games smh

[@sweetchilliheat4559]

nostalgia vs recency bias

[@Coldskin1]

half of yall to young to have a nostalgia bias for penny haddaway its taking someone elses opinion at face value

[@sweetchilliheat4559]

@@Coldskin1 well everybody has to start from somewhere. And we’ve never had more access to past information than we do now, in terms of sports wise .

[@bliine]

Why is this even up for debate. It's Penny and it's not even close

[@KreyzAim]

2020 bubble Jamal is better than ANYTHING penny ever did.

[@StreetmoneyRae13]

Now yall want to use the bubble 😂

[@anthony2b173]

Penny vs heat without shaq

[@MarzTalksSports]

anyone who genuinely believes murray is better than penny is a basketball reference merchant

[@thialhoinj1971]

Peeny is better but it's not disrespectful to compare the two. Considering mury will most likely pass peeny in everything including accolades. He's only 25.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@thialhoinj1971 well thats just projection so not even relevant

[@thialhoinj1971]

@@MarzTalksSports that's true but to say Murry will do better than 15pg and 5 for the next 5 years isn't projecting too much.

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@thialhoinj1971its still a projection

[@ImbetterthanDWade]

@@MarzTalksSports Do you rank Penny as having a higher peak than GP?

[@qupope6955]

This is how far he will go to try to prove a point he will go against EVERYTHING he believes in

[@2FadeMusic]

and its absolutely hilarious

[@goonricch187]

@@2FadeMusicds getting old

[@jeremyadom5672]

Penny Hardaway is better than Jamal Murray. If Penny and Grant Hill did not get decimated with injuries, they would taken the mantle after Jordan was done.

[@randywatson6583]

No Kobe was coming for that spot regardless

[@broderickclark4725]

I approve

[@happycampr108]

Thats excuses jamal came from a career ending injury and won a chip bffr

[@alvin081988]

If only Penny didnt get injured than we can definitely say he's a better player than Jamal....but Jamal is a player that always step up in the Playoffs

[@jesusblanco7657]

I mean jamal is coming off an acl injury lol

[@dykelusyoli5978]

So did Penny. He was instrumental in that run to the finals, they just couldn't get past the Rockets. Murray too has only had one trip to the finals

[@ImGayWhenISayThisBut]

Lmao Ticket totally omitted Jamal’s 1st year where he averaged 9.9ppg Then tried to line up Jamal’s sophomore year with Penny’s rookie year where he had 16ppg Penny rookie year averaged 16 5.4 6.6 2.3stl Tickets a 1st class 🤡 Jamal rookie year averaged 9.9 2.4 2.1 and .6stl

[@yahiaali4059]

With this logic of scoring wouldnt wiggins be better than penny than

[@DamagedGoods77]

Thank you!!! All these internet scout grabbing information and can't gather it correctly.

[@ImGayWhenISayThisBut]

@@yahiaali4059you’re looking solely at PPG…

[@DamagedGoods77]

Ticket done lost his DAMN mind😂😂😂

[@Princecharisma111]

He definitely drink henny before he get on. I know that typa ignorant

[@DamagedGoods77]

@@Princecharisma111 full cup & no chaser🤣

[@7brucewayne7]

Daily reminder: Hakeem Olajuwon is the best big man ever.

[@thialhoinj1971]

Top 5 but calm down.

[@2FadeMusic]

everyone knows its tacko fall

[@7brucewayne7]

@@thialhoinj1971 best not greatest, there’s a difference. And in the best category, he’s top 2, and not 2

[@U.T.P.]

I see no lies

[@AveChristusRex789]

Honestly in terms of just who is the best? There’s an argument to be made for sure. Only player to ever lead his team to a ring while leading in all 5 major statistical categories

[@cryptoyt756]

The Jamal meat riding from Ticket was crazy

[@onuwaekwueme3301]

This was a needless argument. Hands down, Penny was a better player.

[@joshuasutton983]

Better player based off what?

[@dxtremecaliber]

@@joshuasutton983prime

[@SkodenMOC]

Penny was at least a top 10 player in the league, Jamal hasn’t touched that 😂

[@Billy-pt7xd]

No he wasn’t

[@Episodewinner99]

​@@SkodenMOCcracking top 10 in the nba has never been harder to be fair, kyrie is not regarded top 15 even

[@indmslikedeez8005]

You can’t base penny off numbers, he’s one of those you had to be there and understand what you’re looking at or be able to cross reference type players. It’s just like a Chauncey billups and AI conversation

[@blacknetsmed]

Yes, you can use numbers. When you adjust for era/pace, Penny averaged 24pts IA/per 75 possessions along 7 asts per 75 on efficiency of +5%rTS from '96. That's better than pretty much every guard except Luka and Steph.

[@indmslikedeez8005]

@@blacknetsmed you’re one of the people I’m talking about lol

[@LowercaseKev]

@@indmslikedeez8005 buddy was agreeing with you and provided some numbers that prove your "can't use stats to prove it" stance was incorrect. Now while yes you have to have watched penny to understand why people hold him in such high regard. BUT we can still use numbers if you should ever want to dismantle the likes of Ticket who claim Murray is better than Penny. I'm sure the guy agrees with your other stance, and only disagreed that you can't prove it by numbers.

[@happycampr108]

@@indmslikedeez8005so ur jus like slow slow he agreed with u dummy

[@LarrySwishamane]

we are ALL one of those people....we have no clue WTF your talking about " he’s one of those you had to be there and understand" despite-----------------------------------------------------------------------> or this ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> theres a fullblown menu of unlimited fuckround findout items up & down youtube's suggestion concession 24/7 @@indmslikedeez8005

[@mrbattle2013]

Prime penny was putting up 28ppg vs pippen Rodman and mj in 96😂😂😂 When he started cooking he was unstoppable

[@goldenchildt.v3258]

Where ya proof? You talking about one series fuck wrong w you nigga what y’all forget the playoff scoring run Jamal was on in the playoffs during covid y’all really fall inlove w names instead of what they actually did Jamal bubble playoff run stat wise is better than any year penny ever had

[@humble378]

He was always cooking till he got injured ofc

[@krces1]

You are big liar you know that.Penny avg in 96 against Bulls was 19 ppg From 96-98 his avg was 22 ppg against Bulls 🤡

[@mrbattle2013]

@@krces1 I’m talking about playoffs

[@anthonywashington2197]

Penny Hardaway was a better player than Jamal Murray. Penny was the first player mentioned as a combination of MJ and Magic before LeBron James. Penny was special. Enough said.

[@Coldskin1]

penny aint on mj and magic level, lebron james is

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

Penny over Jamal Murray.

[@Coldskin1]

it won't take much for jamal murray to be better than penny plus he alway got a chip

[@Doknot-tb9ey]

@@Coldskin1 Jamal may end up being better than Penny if he continues being healthy, Penny has more accolades than Murray right now. Penny is a 4-time all-star, 2-time All-NBA First Team, Third All-NBA Team, All-Rookie First Team, and the Rookie Challenge MVP, while Murray is a champion and made the All-Rookie Second Team.

[@hassanbaig5238]

Fox over penny is crazy

[@StreetmoneyRae13]

Shid murry too 😂

[@KB-qk1ic]

At this point in their careers Penny averaged more points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks. Had a higher fg%. 3x all nba. 2x first team 4x all star Swept in the finals averaging 25/5/8 on 50%\46%\91% splits. Murray shoots better

[@deylack]

less comp

[@TrollinThru]

​@@deylack😂😂

[@deylack]

@@TrollinThru im serious. in the league right now is the most 20 ppg scorers ever. jamal murry has more comp + he been very injury prone up to this point. something people love to ignore

[@A4P15]

@@deylack rule changes...

[@TrollinThru]

@@deylack I want you to watch tape from today compared to 2012. The modern game is quite wide with all the spacing.

[@jahmallmarshall2215]

I don’t even have to watch the video. It’s Penny on his worst day wth

[@calvinalexander9284]

Facts

[@bliine]

Why is this even up for debate. It's Penny and it's not even close

[@thialhoinj1971]

Penny had a good start but definitely overrated. 4 time all star, best season was 20ppg and 7 assist. Only 3 times he averaged more than 16ppg. Murry definitely will leave him behind in numerous and accolades.

[@bliine]

@@thialhoinj1971 penny got hurt which badly damaged his career. Not to mention teams played at a slower pace so points wasn't getting scored like that back then compared to now.

[@anthony2b173]

​@@thialhoinj1971 Murray 0 all star

[@thialhoinj1971]

@@anthony2b173 been injured for the past 3 years. He will get 4 lol.

[@thialhoinj1971]

@@bliine you're actually right about the injury part but I'm not sure how much impact that had.

[@boombenjamin92]

Y'all comparing Penny career when he didn't get play at full form to have a Prime or Peak is disrespectful. This is a fumb debate to argue. After 5 years u can compare but after Penny injury you can't assume. We didn't get to finish seeing a Full Healthy Penny longevity. Y'all have crazy topics. And stop comparing stats to a lesser defensive era with less zone and less hands on. It's more free space now and sensitive ref calls. Any eye test will tell u Penny full game and skills and IQ is beating Murray anyday. And saying Jimmy Butler he doesn't have a bag like Penny did and Michael Jordan would laugh at u fools! Penny had Shaq he didn't need to average 28 ppg when you have the big man eating in that paint feeding it to him and kicking the ball out to Nick Andersen for shots. Make it make since.

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

This proves that not every hooper knows more ball than the normal human.

[@kennydeez..1774]

I Luuuuv That Y’all Have One Idiot with Idiotic Opinions..”TICKLETV”😅😂👎🏾..Everyone Else Was Intelligent Enough To Speak On Their Own Opinions And Have A REAL Discussion About The Topic. I Believe Y’all Got “TICKLETV” For Comic Relief…😅😂Well,It Worked😅

[@sydaleboyd2523]

Ticket out here selling...

[@robertdodson1750]

I feel like ticket is there as kinda the laughing stock and he doesn’t even realize it cause he doesn’t have enough brain power

[@SSSMOR.]

I hate when they compare stats the game was played differently in the 90's than it is today if pennie played in todays pace he would of averaged 28 29 points a game more dimes rebounds and steals and would of never got injured because the medical staffs are 100 times better

[@StefIsCold]

Penny in todays era would be a monster tf ticket talking about

[@thmsbadger43]

Please get Ticket off the podcast he doesn’t know basketball

[@thomascrowniii1693]

Penny was first team All NBA twice. Jamal Murray has never been All NBA.

[@Camzse27]

Remember Ticket has Charles Barkley 12th overall in his all time list that’s all you have to know 😂😂😂😂😂

[@merrickjackson1623]

These dude are disrespectful. Penny was hand selected by Jordan along with Grant Hill as the two guys who could replace him moving forward. Penny was a beast and went one on one with Jordan and got the better of him on several occasions. Also penny was a point guard, Murray is really a 2 guard, Joker is the point on that team. For me Penny was better

[@remnant8898]

Ticket is being a clown right now. Penny was All NBA 1st team by his second season, and in the Finals Penny averaged 25/5/8 on 50/45/91 splits. If not for Penny's injury, he was on course to being a hall of famer.

[@davidwashington9113]

Ja morant is better than penny they cappin

[@mrjim3948]

Sometimes ticket be reaching to much

[@TheRetardization]

ticket did all this just to discredit jokic being dominant like shaq.

[@danlouie352]

jokic isn't a domaint player like shaq, nor akeem, nor robison, nor wilt..... and the list goes on. Stop the cap.

[@grief6052]

@@danlouie352 ok bro

[@danlouie352]

@@grief6052 ok brahwoooahhaoaoaoaoaoh....

[@isaiahcoley438]

This was the worst take and argument in players choice history

[@jordanross8561]

I be so tired of hearing “ hold on hold on hold on , you not hearing me “ 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@flexslayer13]

Bro this shit was hilarious 😂😂😂😂

[@StreetmoneyRae13]

Bro said Kawhi right now as a guard and PG😂

[@rodneycarterakaice2281]

Ticket is reaching like Pippen in the passing lane with this one. None of the players he named could mess with a healthy Penny.

[@Observersdesk]

Ticket should’ve been a WWE superstar in all honesty

[@cdg4308]

i said auto auction salesman but that works too lol

[@josephwooden732]

Penny was ridiculous

[@ztoolietv3720]

This might be the worst take I’ve ever seen😭

[@philliprhinehardt6268]

Big facts

[@TheKdmccaskill]

Penny beat Jordan

[@bashiriasad789]

Maaaaaan.... I thought y'all knew basketball. Penny is a better all around pH than Murray. It's not all about scoring. C'mon fellas. Murray has never been without Jokic.

[@jrsmith4224]

He is not a guard ! Lol. Ticket u need to stop lmfao

[@kimariogilmer3869]

Penny is a top 20 guard of all time 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ Jamal Murray is jalen rose

[@jv.loneee788]

jamals peak is way higher than yall think the disrespect is crazy

[@raferalstonisgoat4457]

Very surprised ticket didn't also say shai

[@waaa3081]

this might be ticket's worst take in pc history lol. it's no argument at all.

[@OMARI461]

Every squad got that dude where you like “why y’all hang out wit this nigga?”

[@mictza450]

😂

[@josheasy6716]

& I love my guy Murray, he’s home team but Penny was different n 1st team player, Penny w/o injury is top 20, but we can’t talk what if’s..

[@MichaelJohnson-et8wb]

I’m new to these podcasts. Is this tickets show? This guy is a clown in debates

[@Buddah5537]

PENNY IS WAYYYYYYY BETTER THAN HIM / TICKET NEVER BRING UP NUMBERS WEN IT COMES TO BRON BEING THE GOAT 🐐/ HE JUST SAY MJ IS 6-0 IN THE FINALS

[@MarzTalksSports]

well penny is 0-1 and jamal is 1-0 so what now

[@Buddah5537]

@@MarzTalksSports Penny went up against the dream and Jordan if Murray had to go up against dem HE WOULD HAVE NO RINGS

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Buddah5537 W hypothetical

[@Buddah5537]

@@MarzTalksSports it’s facts call it wat you want it’s facts

[@MarzTalksSports]

@@Buddah5537 u CAN NOT call a hypothetical facts

[@KabutungKabayo]

Lol! If Jamal Murray played in the 90s, he would be 3rd string to Nick Anderson and Brian Shaw! Penny was 2x 1st team All-NBA playing with Shaq while Shaq was only 2nd team and 3rd team those couple of years. Penny was toying with Jordan and Pippen and beat them in only his 2nd year in the league. Fool doesn't know what he's talking about. 😂

[@GhostD0G8]

Penny > Murray Even tho his career was cut short due to injuries he still was a better passer, rebounder, and defender than Murray.

[@t-god2439]

Can you imagine if penny played with joker. The league would be in a chokehold right now

[@briz12th8]

Jimmy butler has played shooting guard in his career so what is mars talking abt

[@julianthegrappler]

This shouldn’t even be a convo. Penny clears😂

[@SSSMOR.]

This is sad it's hard to respect these young dudes all they do is throw out stats Hardaway played in a slower pace era if Hardaway played in this pace in space era no hand check offensive players allowed to travel and push off he would average adleast 28 points since he averaged 20 in the 90's

[@kpk1923]

This was Ticket in Super Saiyan Blue level of NASTY… a rare transformation and one the world needed to see

[@Darkkent83]

The disrespect of my favorite player is crazy!!!!!!!! I expect nothing less from ticket stub

[@richmondosamwonyi5154]

Yeah getting rid of this guy was the best thing for the channel

[@newalphacomicsandhistory]

None of these point guards in this era are better than Penny Hardaway he was playing against the bulls, Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, he was scoring on them penny Hardaway 20 points a game in that era is equivalent to 25 to 30 points a game in this era. He’s better than all these guys in this area.

[@torregezdavis8772]

Ticket hold that L! Murray is not better than Penny! Most of the players on that horrible list are not better than Penny!

[@lilxhapo8366]

Ticket is a hater ain’t no way 😂😂😂 he said jamal is better than penny

[@stancegang7334]

“Only averaged 20 three times” as if averaging 20 is easy

[@davidowusu2529]

Ticket hilarious 😂😂

[@beazy3364]

Murray has never even made the allstar team, let alone made all NBA. Hes not even in the same league.

[@TheSwish_]

Jaylen brown hahaha

[@dredre2684]

No donavan mitchell? Ticket trash

[@josheasy6716]

Penny clears !!! Penny >>> J Murray ..

[@philliprhinehardt6268]

TicketTv stays taking loses on a regular basis

[@LANCEBURKES]

Hold on low hold on low hold on low hold on low

[@Facts-only69]

The pannel used to be the best show on this channel, now its a shouting festival, i miss shaq as the host.

[@anthonycelestin3559]

We can’t act like Shaq didn’t yell either

[@Facts-only69]

@@anthonycelestin3559 not as much nor as loud 😂

[@KvngWitDaBounce2412]

Jimmy butler is a shooting guard

[@anthony2b173]

jamal murray 9.9 pts rookie year

[@Observersdesk]

Low screaming killed me😂😂😂

[@lonely1044]

Ticket turns the volume down on his phone to argue

[@Dolo4Sure]

Ticket is annoying.

[@jahmallmarshall2215]

They’re pretty equal in terms of league appearances because of injuries obviously Jamal has more accolades. But who’s the better talent ? Penny fasho Bubble Jamal was tough thou can’t lie

[@anthony2b173]

The bubble 😂😂😂

[@Harden4threee]

bro ticket is drunk sometimes o my god

[@Chrislittle223]

Marz- Giourd

[@Harden4threee]

what happend to low is a capper

[@cuzintray1138]

Penny was better stop the non sense

[@LarrySwishamane]

We can’t just keep reiterating the same ol same ol narrative about Penny. “If only he would’ve stayed healthy.” We gotta operate some contextualize another supreme variable that undeniable especially for PENNY. A guard. A point guard. A 6’7 point guard in the eastern conference Jordan era, that after the departure of the dominant force the league has seen go the franchise that (some pun) the blueprint for the “magic”. For nothing!!!! Except the unfortunate resume highlight reel with Nick Anderson, Horace Grant, Ron Seikaly, Bo Outlaw, D3 & beautiful step back buzzer beater against very familiar & topical coaching foe….Pat Riley! Just with that kinda stability alone is indictment on the organization or competent model for success. Matter fact, it’s an insult, considering the premiere talent he was already up against even with ShaQ. So, let’s fast forward to Backcourt 2000 under administration of Danny Ainge & Scott Stiles. And perhaps our debut of the player empowerment of free agency that is now tradition in game today. So, after eliminating the defending champs Spurs in RD1 & putting up in valiant effort where Penny & Kobe matched point % (21) in the dawning of new dynasty. Once again, Penny is thrown back in a conference dominated by the Zen Mastermind. And standing, right there, on destiny’s doorstep. On the brink NBA revolution of product & pace. The emergence of 7 seconds or less, he’s overnight packaged to the place where nba careers go to die.

[@elaycohen9218]

Prime Penny was elite

[@Hawkeyes319]

Ticket corny and cringe

[@betweendalinesnbapodcast3733]

For his criteria ticket is right but for a normal person this shit is bad. Nigga cant talk about them as players. Its all about “HE WENT TO THE FINALS” “HE WENT TO THE CONFERENCE FINALS”.

[@aarondimas7312]

After seeing the playoff peaks of jamal murray 2 years in a row lets you gotta give the guy his props its a conversation. In the playoffs the guy looks like kyrie with bounce.

[@remnant8898]

But its not a valid conversation. By this time in Jamal's career, Penny was an All NBA player, and top 12 player in the league.

[@chrissaint-louis488]

Two years in a row? U mean bubble and this years final? Those are the ONLY times we talk highly of murray cuz before that he was still good but he wasn’t what we see now

[@odotmdot]

I wouldn’t even argue this. Shit is absurd. Just Ticket doubling down on a stupid argument with another stupid argument

[@benjaminan1183]

He is not a god!

[@mauricelewis6595]

I'm starting to think Ticket never watched basketball before 2010

[@KCMOdaTown]

Penny all day

[@happycampr108]

I lowkey agree with with ticket, i fw penny and respect his game but lets go off wat they actually did….and who got the jewelry….?

[@justbroadway]

These dudes acting like this era players are better than everybody from the past. All them are good players but Jamal isn't better than Penny comparing different eras dont always make sense

[@imajazzhead]

Can’t believe I heard these names being better than Penny. I get dying on a hill but my goodness 😩….none of them are better than a prime Penny!!!