5:00 I disagree with the assessment that Luda made a simple mistake and his intent should matter. He looked down at his chips, counted them and put them in. His action is complete. If Luda missed Wesley's raise, that's a personal problem, not an etiquette problem
@ninerlife49232 жыл бұрын
100% agree with you it’s Luda fault and not on Westley to allow him to correct his mistake
@christopherjuarez702 жыл бұрын
I love this comment cus its the truth.... we call thay "HIS BAD". Thats the rules
@zachucsb2 жыл бұрын
I'd never let him correct the sizing. He is not some drooling whale.
@bcbrossman2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Not bad etiquette. What if Luda put more in and said he misclicked? His fault plane and simple.
@Tonyplat982 жыл бұрын
You can disagree all you want it's still bad etiquette on Wesley's part to not allow Chris to make it whatever he intended to make it.
@Sam-db4mr2 жыл бұрын
I don’t agree with the commentator here. If a dude makes a bet he can’t then go back and say he meant to make it more. Next time verbalize before putting the chips in.
@Millnoc2 жыл бұрын
This works when there are 10 1/2 tables running and an endless supply of loose players… how big is the player pool for this game do you reckon and how can that change the calculus?
@willjay69432 жыл бұрын
yea its up to the dealer if anything . wesley did nothing wrong there . if anything thats the proper way to play tournament poker.
@Donkadocus2 жыл бұрын
Wesley is not allowed to "let him". The rules are the rules.
@Millnoc2 жыл бұрын
@@Donkadocus the rules are different the higher stakes you go. Ask any high stakes players
@michaelg46647 ай бұрын
@@willjay6943tournament poker? This is a cash game.
@sJ-ls8pw2 жыл бұрын
Wes not allowing Luda to increase his raise was fine, nothing wrong with that. JBOOGS, crying and acting like a low stakes player is priceless.
@IlllIl-mg2nx2 жыл бұрын
Move down in stake if u got no money and gonna whine like a little pssi
@jm3612 жыл бұрын
IKR crying like he staked him or something
@josephpuatu18082 жыл бұрын
Wrong timing for slow playing his K-K-K.
@joewhite94752 жыл бұрын
@@josephpuatu1808 not really he had the board locked up lol I would have definitely bet more on flop and bombed turn but it was a rainbow board
@growtgt2 жыл бұрын
I couldnt agree more. Everything you just stated was completely factually. A man with a brain!
@freddiegibbs1012 жыл бұрын
"Max value" XD Wesley is hilarious, it's good to have someone to root against but I just like having him in the game, he's a character.
@Mott22 жыл бұрын
When you lose 10s of thousands of dollars in a pot to a kid and then hear his soft spoken Chinese voice say Max Valuuueee!🤣🤣
@syfodias-jedimaster2 жыл бұрын
And he thinks hes cool cuz he got back from Vegas lol
@mynamejeff5082 жыл бұрын
Gotta have fun every now and then , no ? Not that annoying either
@hiphopconnoisseur83142 жыл бұрын
@@mynamejeff508 super annoying…you must not have seen his ridiculous ways over the last few months
@nataliegibson80062 жыл бұрын
Lol
@ARAKARABLUE2 жыл бұрын
@@hiphopconnoisseur8314 with that point both of those guys knew better
@CaptivatingAnecdote2 жыл бұрын
Jboogs almost breaking into tears always gets me xD
@Satoru-Gojo2 жыл бұрын
I'm waiting for someone to stack Wesley in future episode and then say "MAX VALUEEEEEE" 🤣🤣🤣
@Bigmeatlover2 жыл бұрын
Or tell him it was an overplay lol
@bagusbudi38283 ай бұрын
You're right, Tom Dwan did it.
@diximat2 жыл бұрын
I don’t blame Wes for not allowing him to fix his bet. He already had money in the pot. If he didn’t already have money in pot I’d feel different about it.
@connorroyale18752 жыл бұрын
This is a low stakes comment lol
@jaredf90552 жыл бұрын
12:14 was kind of nuts. Two different camera angles. Jboogs throws his cards and they exit one frame at the same position/time as they enter the other frame (and landed on Wesley lol)
@fxdfrider2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly haha!
@yummytummy882 жыл бұрын
Wesley was a perfect gentleman, didn't make a bid deal with it or just laugh it off. If it was some hot head prick, it will be an issue. This is why I love poker. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
@Ll999-c2m2 жыл бұрын
Jeremy throwing his cards and then blaming the dealer. Gross individual.
@Kinggoldspoon2 жыл бұрын
Yeah disgusting , throwing cards and blaming dealer. Can’t manage your tilt don’t be a pro.
@narele252 жыл бұрын
@@Kinggoldspoon calling that dude a pro is a real stretch
@Kinggoldspoon2 жыл бұрын
@@narele25 lol
@FamousAnonymous8882 жыл бұрын
He has himself to blame slow playing a diamond turn….Max valueeee 😆
@michaelx74382 жыл бұрын
Throwing cards=no class
@jackryan7162 жыл бұрын
I love raw emotion. I feed off the real frustration. Jeremy is mad, love the energy, I feed off of it.
@We-Just-Elected-A-Dictator2 жыл бұрын
I've never played in a casino that allows people to bet and then say "oh, I misfired, I meant to bet this much..." Luda's mistake is Luda's problem.
@zhangtodd81672 жыл бұрын
What's with Jboogs throwing his cards towards Wes after he lost 12:10? That is insanely poor poker etiquette imo
@eltoroloco19362 жыл бұрын
I missed that, normally it's to show the other player their hand but that looked to be frustration. If a player tosses his cards at me without me peacefully asking and hits me with them, I'm going Gambit on his ass.
@Pokerghost112 жыл бұрын
He lets Wesley get there and cries about it lol 😂 I mean if I was Wesley i would have continued there too
@gjemb2 жыл бұрын
i would continue too in the turn but the question is what did he call with 87 in that flop after raising??? he just called i dont know for what, and than just got lucky!!!
@2bopatch2 жыл бұрын
Yea luda's mistake and wesley has every right to decline. Luda's action is complete.
@James-pn8mu2 жыл бұрын
dealer should've said no already
@davedoesthiland52922 жыл бұрын
I think Wes is a great character! I am a Wesley fan! For only playing for a few months he is a better than average player! I think he is great for this size game!
@narele252 жыл бұрын
Wes is a joke and a brat
@DTR1LL2 жыл бұрын
Yeah he’s an action player who’s on the good side of variance.
@robertloggins82532 жыл бұрын
What is wrong with this announcer? The bet was $1600 no matter what he said he "intended". I have been a dealer in high stakes games for 40 years
@sebastiankim1802 жыл бұрын
He’s an LA dweeb that’s why
@user-qu8rh3ib4p2 жыл бұрын
its not bad etiquette at all this is standard dealer protocol and in some perspective what luda did was angle shooting. if everyone was allowed to make a raise and try to correct it afterwards, live poker would be dead
@stackingoff38112 жыл бұрын
I disagree with the commentator. Why should you allow him to raise after he messed up. I would have done the same thing.
@stackingoff38112 жыл бұрын
Let me know what you think?
@James-pn8mu2 жыл бұрын
can't string bet anyway
@GetRichorDieScratching2 жыл бұрын
Man I only play low stakes and I’m never ever checking top set on that turn.
@BDM72 жыл бұрын
Then you would have just lost more money if Wesley calls on the flop there he's not folding to a bet on the turn. Now if the argument is you should make the raise there because you're going to win the hand then yeah of course. But if you think he was going to fold he isn't
@ozrenbalic60512 жыл бұрын
He check-called the flop. Donking that turn card doesn't make sense.
@Ballen815872 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t have mattered at that point. He made a bad call on the flop but when the turn gave him open ended with a first draw he was not getting rid of Wesley there
@jimwang13602 жыл бұрын
The guy was unhappy with the cards but he never blamed himself for checking calling topset in a three way game. That's plain bad.
@joeltroughton30212 жыл бұрын
@@BDM7 results oriented thinking
@stark9512 жыл бұрын
Wesley the fan favorite
@stark9512 жыл бұрын
@@majinbuu518 I’ll consider him obnoxious in 6 months if he continues with his etiquette, right now I’m chalking that up to being fairly new. I like the way he plays though. Very entertaining.
@stark9512 жыл бұрын
@@sunnyboy8644 Perspective, I suppose. Just sounds like you have no tolerance for improper etiquette, which is fine. I started watching him when he first started though, and it hasn’t been that long. A lot of these situations that people are at his jugular for are pretty nuanced scenarios that are hard to learn from a book. Give it time.
@stark9512 жыл бұрын
@@mrsusan893 yeah how dare not know perfect poker etiquette after a week!
@qualm432 жыл бұрын
Always fist pump when jeremy loses. Such a dork.
@BamaBoy19672 жыл бұрын
Wesley has no clue except when the deck runs over him.
@NorgieGeordie2 жыл бұрын
Ah poor Jeremy 😭😭😭 ‘I save money’ he says at the end 😂😂😂😂 -> 🤭🤡🤡🤡🤡
@curthennig9448 Жыл бұрын
Saving it to give away in a future pot!
@ahunt38582 жыл бұрын
Trying to call out Wes bc he won’t let a player that announced raise & put in the chips and said player wanted to make it more is pretty weeeeeeeakkk. Tbh the dealer shouldn’t even get the ok from the other players, kinda a basic rule that original raise stands. Let me try this in the WSOP next week and see how far that fly’s
@ansjqkqn2 жыл бұрын
DGAF calls out Wesley when he did nothing wrong and say nothing about Jeremy tossed his card at Wesley and blaming Magic. I guess he just doesn’t like a specific player
@antisan2 жыл бұрын
He loves jboogs. Always claims he’s a near professional level player
@mcfly72 жыл бұрын
Wrong, he loves Wesley! Also, this is not a random game, this is a private game so what Wesley did is not cool. You never played in a game like that or else you would understand the situation. Any other place I would agree with you.
@c63sk882 жыл бұрын
Jeremy is betting when he is behind👌😂👏
@iverson20029392 жыл бұрын
Wes has officially become the villain in the game.
@evanwang16422 жыл бұрын
Jeremy throws his card onto wesleys face LOL
@bom22 жыл бұрын
Max valueeeee lmao
@ScottiMusicNow2 жыл бұрын
Love watching nits get absolutely burned for slow playing.
@tn71602 жыл бұрын
5:00 I thought 3-bet weren't bad. It's usually a call, but it's a situation where you should squeeze a certain number of times. 10:14 I thought slow play on the multi-way was not good. I was surprised because I thought it would be a check raise. sorry. Action in poker is free. Only the person sitting at the table can decide the action. Everyone is wonderful.
@Ondeadlocs2 жыл бұрын
West side Wesley can never do no wrong
@nowayjose14822 жыл бұрын
What the hell is this commentator talking about bad edict!?!? why would that even be a option wes raised to 600 luda made it 1600.. than says oops i ment to make it more can i take my bet that i have already placed back and make it more please.. on what planet is that ever aloud and how is it bad edict for wes to say no.. he shouldn't even be the deciding Factor, the dealer needs to enforce the rules and tell Luda he cannot change his bet.. and commentator should know that and stop talking all that nonsense.
@jimdoe3288 Жыл бұрын
7:25 Drawing dead means zero outs. They wasn't drawing dead
@brianedgar34132 жыл бұрын
This is the one time I agree with Wesley
@sarahdeshay13942 жыл бұрын
“Drawing dead and they got there”
@jeffmelrose97192 жыл бұрын
A tutorial on how " Not to play KK " !!
@WondrousMindTrick2 жыл бұрын
Wesley got that future Chinese overlord personality thing going on.
@Lymbe062 жыл бұрын
If you're allowed to say you made a mistake and put more preflop then you're allowed to take some back if you don't like it.
@patrick_kyker2 жыл бұрын
Luck has got nothing to do with it. If you never fold you're going to realize your equity more often but you're going to lose in the long run.
@persianprince46892 жыл бұрын
Just a general rule of thumb .. you never wanna be the guy that’s blaming the dealer 😂😂 it’s a bad look
@gorlami50002 жыл бұрын
Tbh Wesley ended up saving Luda some money in that pot with the pre flop action. Also I think most people would not have let Luda make it 2600 pre flop
@Baba442032 жыл бұрын
like half these clip videos have a giant audio spike right at the head. get your audio together please.
@aceking53602 жыл бұрын
Luda Chris messed up there’s no take backs
@marca44432 жыл бұрын
I didn't see the transition & so at first thought f*cking Wesley sat down & right away pocketed rockets Was not surprised
@paulfreedom46132 жыл бұрын
Wes is a great actor😅
@jimmydane342 жыл бұрын
More i watch him. The more you can see he's def an actor. Id be needling him everytime I get a win with max value due to him mis playing his hand.
@jameskim20072 жыл бұрын
In what casino can you retract your bet based on intent and it’s considered etiquette to let them do it? They are trying to take each other’s money, not playing pattycake
@Seven_Leaf2 жыл бұрын
People toss runner runner straight + flush draws to quickly over small bets post flop, Wesley's right he turned the world and had a great drawing hand to go all-in with to keep a great range between the Nuts and a bluff.
@skaterdude14b2 жыл бұрын
I hope Raver is commentating Max Pain Monday🤞
@arcticredpanda45982 жыл бұрын
No "etiquette" comment about Jboogs throwing his cards at Wesley?
@richardjordau2 жыл бұрын
I needa know what this commentator is smoking LMAO. “You should’ve let him bet more.” Hell no.. disciplined players never allow that
@matta57492 жыл бұрын
Has literally nothing to do with “discipline.” Good players realize it’s +EV to not be a predatory asshole to recreational players. That’s why Wesley will never be a good poker player.
@jeffmelrose97192 жыл бұрын
I don't think West side Wesley means any harm with the things that come out of his mouth ? It's just his personality, along with the language barrier, he comes off like a pompass ass sometimes? :). But he's actually just a very nerdy, and very smart guy... And he's running like a God here . :).
@yummytummy882 жыл бұрын
Wes is still learning...for those people and silly commentator, give it a rest. Wes has done more for this poker channel than the commentator. Wes is fun and never intended to poke fun to anyone directly. He sometime misplace his two cents on situations but he is cool, win or lose.
@MyComedyStore2 жыл бұрын
The announcer is wrong about the raise etiquette. It's not like Wesley was going to fold J-10 for $1k more anyways.
@noworldforeric2 жыл бұрын
I would never let that JBoogs guy come back and play a game tbh. He literally THREW his cards at Wesley.. they like touched him. I would've called floor. IDC if that's for TV, stream, whatever... that's ABSURD.
@williamzagarella80662 жыл бұрын
Yup, I agree. Then complaining to the dealer saying "MAGIC, HOW DO YOU ALWAYS DO IT?" like it's his fault you misplayed top set 🤣
@garywu64882 жыл бұрын
Yea this dude really acting like a whiny 12 year old on stream
@narele252 жыл бұрын
"They like touched him"
@sg2142 жыл бұрын
No wonder this kid hired a driver/security
@AtownOriginal2 жыл бұрын
Commentator is a knob. You ain't getting handouts at this game so get it right the first time.
@tyrocksalot2 жыл бұрын
Wonder how sustainable his style is going to be over the next 2-6 months
@1richnasty2 жыл бұрын
If he doesn’t play when GMan is at the table he could definitely save a lot of money.
@gavinslivin52432 жыл бұрын
dude definitely was bricked up after that
@RedezBash2 жыл бұрын
So shark lol says I’m gonna be adding on before he calls
@ThinkHarderr2 жыл бұрын
Wes jacket is dope
@gazzy53032 жыл бұрын
Has is that max value with Aces against Kings lol. What a nit.
@jimwang13602 жыл бұрын
And Wes flies econ? What's the point.
@michaelg46647 ай бұрын
That’s why I rarely slow-play any more (unless it’s the Uber-nuts). The poker gods like to punish that kind of play.
@sllaaaa2 жыл бұрын
wesley is like god on this table
@3500camarz2 жыл бұрын
10:10 SANTA!!! I KNOW HIM! I KNOW HIM!
@ZodaPoppin2 жыл бұрын
Timesfamp of when he said max value? Lol
@paulicas12 жыл бұрын
End of first hand
@jboogslevin36492 жыл бұрын
Hey All- I’ve seen some of the comments say that I threw my cards at Wesley and blamed Magic for the loss. I would never throw my cards at another player, they just happened to go a little passed the muck I guess. I’m also very close friends with Magic and that is a running joke that we have. I obviously know he has nothing to do with the outcome. I do regret acting like that after the hand and have no one to blame but myself for the way I played it. See you guys again soon. Happy Memorial Day
@jeffreyg5718 Жыл бұрын
😭 😭 😭 Clown Tears
@true7522 Жыл бұрын
That last clip of JBOOG is probably the worst I’ve ever seen a set of kings played. Always bet your set
@moemonte882 жыл бұрын
I love watching guys gets coolered while getting a massage 😂 must be awkward for them
@Andres.Westside2 жыл бұрын
Rule is rule, luda could bet 2600 in the first place, but he made a mistake, you can’t blame Wesley for not letting him correct his mistake. It is what it is.
@Chenx42 жыл бұрын
Disagreed with the commentator, Wes already had money in the pot, so mistake or not Luda's bet stands
@Chenx42 жыл бұрын
Also it looks like the commentator is annoyed by Wes becaus he always get there? Lmao
@taintedtroll70512 жыл бұрын
Regardless of this , did anyone think Wesley was just a bit of a rogue anyway
@advantager355 Жыл бұрын
Don’t blame Wesley for not allowing the$2,600.00 bet. It was actually the dealer’s decision to allow or not allow or call for the floor to decide. Most times the verbal intent will be enforced by the dealer to put the money in despite any objections of any player(s).
@Parlefalk2 жыл бұрын
Intent is what matters at the poker table? Since when is that the case? You can argue of the ethics from Wesley. But your actions at the poker table is what matters, not your intent.
@leelindsay36792 жыл бұрын
That jack 10 hand was not poor etiquette…. He had jack 10. Why would he won’t to let Luda put in 1k more when Wesley already had 600$ in the pot pre flop
@dinesh64892 жыл бұрын
Jboogs played like a noob. With three of kind he should raised 3X immediately after the flop , instead he just called. Then in the turn he just checked. Finally in the river card he bets, knowing higher possibility of flush.
@glennhagstedt3 ай бұрын
imagine getting Aces over Kings and not doubling up and believing you are getting max value. That just shows how clueless Wesley really is.
@Peter-zg3em2 жыл бұрын
i don't think it's that gross to see a flop there. don't get me wrong, i don't think being courteous is in wesley's vocab, but it's not out of line at a very high stakes poker table when dudes are not your friends to make them honor the bet they put on the table. i would have let him change his sizing but it's totally within the realm of reason and decency to see a flop. luda has a ton of experience.
@castrokobe24 Жыл бұрын
We don’t know if Luda is punting mr. commentator. Wesley made the correct decision not allowing him to rethrow money in the pot.
@gazzy53032 жыл бұрын
If someone throws their cards at me we’re fighting.
@matt26n32 жыл бұрын
Perfect spot for a check raise on the flop with top set, definately not safe to slow play. A.J, A10, J.9 and J.10 all want to see a turn and river.. Ouch
@chuefangkue62402 жыл бұрын
Dumba said check n got mad
@chewsmba2 жыл бұрын
hey commentator. Wes had proper etiquette to say no you can't change it for making a mistake. in chess if you take you hand off your piece during a move that's your move you're stuck with. so if you bet without saying what you're raising to. it's your fault.
@Parlefalk2 жыл бұрын
I have been loving these series and especially the commentary. BUT, I feel you are negatively biased towards Wesley. I can't see the same typ of commentary be said if this was for example Garret or Andy calling the flop with 87. These sort of speculative flop calls with potential backdoor draws happen all the time, everybody does it. Now Wesley did it, got lucky and got max paid. It should all be fine. Also I believe Wesley is good for action and live poker overall. He is a character that lots of people enjoy to watch AND play against. Remember, he is not a pro, be nice.
@davidparisi29112 жыл бұрын
Bro I would love to drive a super car for an 8 hour drive
@Tone2K2 жыл бұрын
Luda misclicking is by his own definition his own mistake. You can't get upset cuz someone decided not to give you a pass. When Wesley does the same, I would say Luda has the same right to not give a pass also. This is poker. Also, it wasn't heads up. You want 2 people to give you a pass for your error? I think not.
@lmhvfd2 жыл бұрын
Can we start a gofundme prize pool to be awarded to the person on stream that stacks Wesley and screams 'MAX VALUEEE' to his face?
@lakadmatatag68572 жыл бұрын
I like the characters Wesley's offering to the game. And I love the idea the MAX VAARRUUEEE to his face. 😂😂😂
@Oheeeoh2 жыл бұрын
Wesley living his best life. They used to call them chauffeurs, but "having a driver" has to be one of the best things about being rich. :D
@brianlohse97332 жыл бұрын
Wesley probably doesn't know how to drive
@striderarmstrong84825 ай бұрын
If the commentatorhas any comment to make about questionable etiquette it's Luda asking to make his bet bigger that is the issue not anything Wesley did. Speaking of Wesley, that little teenage girl "whatever" face and head shake he does followed my announcing max value when everyine knows he could have got all of the money at every point in that hand is hilarious.
@andrewgibson90432 жыл бұрын
Realy it's ludas fault in that case everyone would just say on I meant to make it more can't be changing bets
@steadymobbin.2 жыл бұрын
Steady Mobbin
@davidparisi29112 жыл бұрын
LOL Eli’s reply with “that’s minimum value so you know” so FOCKING beautiful
@pabl1to332 жыл бұрын
how's that minimum value tho? lol
@pabl1to332 жыл бұрын
@Marco Wagenbrenner I wouldn't say getting 80% of your stack in is considered minimum value; in fact Wes did extract MAX value with his decisions, as it was Eli who chose to slowplay. Flatting Kings and playing 4 ways is a recipe to getting minimum value or even losing all your money.. lol
@sminoir5610 Жыл бұрын
yes a 400BB pot it’s absolutely minimum. the fact he thought that it was a small loss is honestly a testament to eli being a bad reg
@lucnguyen05172 жыл бұрын
Commentator is completely wrong. Wesley did nothing wrong. Luda made a proper bet. I wouldn't even allow a correction in a home game. His additional comments at the end seems biased.
@mcfly72 жыл бұрын
Nobody seems to realise that this is not a random game. This is a private game, you need to be kind of accepted to play. So what Wesley did is not cool. You guys never played in a game like that. Thats why you have that mindset.
@timq62242 ай бұрын
rules are -- no string bets. One could argue that Luda was angling. He doesn't deserve special treatment.
@davidtran49062 жыл бұрын
Not bad etiquette really I think what if Wesley was thinking folding that 1600 now he has throw more in?
@itinkle2 жыл бұрын
Sour Eli. Minimum value? He got you to call on 4 streets and you had no idea where you were at.
@peppergrand1072 Жыл бұрын
Wes's edict is only embellished by his lack of the poker culture unspoken laws of benefit of the doubt. Wes is very aware of the dog eat dog mentally it takes to not be over run and be the one putting the pressure on his opponents, the reality of it is they are not friends , he would probably never use his free time to call or need any of their company, plus he strikes me as a person who uses class status to put each individual in a certain category of value and intelligence. Be it that is his homelands teachings and it is reinforced every minute of the day. Plus the most valid explanation to his personality, his very wealthy for his age any age but he is young and outside of the poker room , people kiss his ass a majority of the time, he is intelligent enough to succeed so early in the average life of social goals and achievements. So the manners and graciousness is not needed here in America.He visits his homeland of China he must respect his elders not matter what his bank balance is.
@두환전-q8k7 ай бұрын
Definitely minimum value cuz preflop allin ia one of the max value action.