They Killed Him Long Ago: The Coldhands Story

[@bossherbbronson9939]

LmL watches Seinfeld: "Newman... New. Man. Newman has summer king symbolism."

[@adrianreinstein6608]

🤣

[@MissSeraphine]

😂😂😂

[@therepublicofdave1498]

"kraemer.. cray-mer... definitely some squisher/drowned god/deep ones connections there"

[@ContactsNfilters]

​@@therepublicofdave1498he definitely is! Remember when he brought that hot tub in? And he also got red as a lobster in another episode. That's so fitting. 😂

[@bonghitsandheavyriffs]

the way i just ugly-laughed

[@Serenade2461]

"Can a man still be brave if he is afraid?" "That is the only time a man can be brave." Sam the Slayer is brave as fuck. Ned said so.

[@made-line7627]

♥️ Sam

[@jamaicandondada9024]

I like the idea of Coldhands being one of the original 12 companions of The Last Hero, the original Night's Watch.

[@DavidLightbringer]

Yeah it does kinda just feel right doesn’t it

[@shivvWhore]

@@DavidLightbringer Wouldn't it make more sense for Coldhands to be the last Azor Ahai? He could be Edric Stormchaser. I mean, maybe every Azor Ahai figure (like Jon) has to die and be reanimated? Maybe the bittersweet ending and the cost of being Azor Ahai is that they cannot die from aging and must remain beyond the wall until the next long night?

[@pyropulseIXXI]

@@shivvWhore Why would that make more sense? That seems to make less sense

[@shivvWhore]

@@pyropulseIXXI Well because being just a friend of Azor Ahai is not as exciting as Coldhands being the actual Azor Ahai.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

@@shivvWhore Coldhands being Azor Ahai is not exciting at all. Why would you want a literal mythical figure to still be in the tory? Makes no sense

[@bonghitsandheavyriffs]

i love the character concept of coldhands. everything about him, the elk, & the mystery is so alluring in the most haunting way.

[@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399]

Smallpaul's death is honestly really sad. He was such a genuine and life loving guy

[@DavidLightbringer]

Absolutely . Really adds the emotion to the experience, or else it would just be "creepy zombie attack" action. Instead it's gut-wrenching and you feel the tragedy of the wight phenomena

[@JoeSnoe126]

@@DavidLightbringer The raven on his shoulder.... George you're too cruel!! Also I want more cruelty layers added to this scene if we get the Dunk & Egg in the North stories :P

[@MugenHeadNinja]

Smallpaul was one of those characters I never recognized until he helped saved Sam. Sad he died so quickly, for how minor of a character he was he certainly left an impact, the same could be said for several of the Night's Watch though.

[@KaritKtana]

Woah, if ancient Greenseers made the first Night's Watch members as risen zombies, that could be an even older explanation of why they "forget" their houses, families, lands and past when they become NW men! A little like how in our world's monotheistic religions there are the religious story explanations for certain holidays, but when you go deeper in time, the ancient origin of the celebrations is always related to nature, the seasons, and pagan roots 🌟

[@DavidLightbringer]

Yes, everything about it fits with the theme and vibe of the nights watch, the idea of undead watchmen.

[@rainy7106]

That would also explain why sending people to the night’s watch would be an alternative to a death sentence, in the beginning, it was a sort of a death sentence.

[@Kate-rv6kx]

And it explains why they can't have children.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

The feasts of Israelites and Torah observant Christians do not stem from nature, seasons, or pagan; it is totally unique amongst all 'religions,' be them pagan or monotheistic. It is only Catholicism that has mass appropriated pagan holidays and corrupted them, and, in turn, made mainstream Christianity a pagan religion in disguise (yes, even Protestants have no idea what they are actually worshipping)

[@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs]

​@@rainy7106I mean the fact you have to never see family, friends and lose all titles etc. makes more sense as to a "just as good as a death sentence". As you're effectively not alive anymore, you're just a part of the system that holds the wall against wildlings and giants (and now wights/white walkers) and so would essentially be considered a dead man walking

[@Rayman7281]

I feel like we are being straight up told that CH was fighting during the long night with the Phrase "They". "They [the wights] will kill him!" "They killed him long ago." there was only one occasion the wights were really active an able to kill anyone long ago, so i think its very likely that he is one of the last hero's companions.

[@ThePlantagenet666]

Coldhands is the best kind of mystery in ASoIaF, because regardless of who he turns out to have been in life it'll be an interesting reveal (if we get one).

[@inthefade]

I have a feeling it is likely to never be completely revealed, only hinted at. I'm pretty fascinated by the idea that he was one of the original Watch, who were all undead in this way. It would make sense in a lot of ways.

[@ruddyman4928]

the idea of jon being like coldhands could explain him dissappearing into the north at the end of the story too.

[@sethfrancis7]

Coldhands, and his potential relationship with Jon, reminds me of the relationship between the Skull Knight and Guts from Berserk.

[@DavidLightbringer]

A couple people have said this!

[@bandoogiemanz]

Very interesting idea.

[@bandoogiemanz]

Very interesting idea.

[@lilpatchface4325]

Niceee

[@FellOff]

Ooooh good idea struggler

[@martinkrog5943]

Hmm could Val = Valkyrie? Coming to 'reclaim' Jon after death to fight for the Old Gods

[@dropelaves]

Val is the "thing" that would have made Jon's end in the series make way more sense. Such a shame they didn't include her, she doesn't even appear that many times, I would have really loved to have her in the show but well...they really wanted to ship Jon and Dany I guess. I feel like wanting them to end up together isn't really fanservice when she's definitely, considering Ygritte died, the one of John's possible "pairings" that would actually make a lot of sense. She's beautiful to start with, she's as honorable as she - a wildling - can be, she's a fierce, strong, smart, independent woman and, on top of that, she's pretty much Wildling's royalty. I really want this :') So that probably means George won't give it "to me" lmao

[@uruk-]

This could be ! Why not ? Val definitly has a viking style x) Gods I love her

[@jarosawwrobel5560]

@@dropelaves Jon and Dany ship is George Martin idea

[@dothrakidani358]

Go on.....

[@Cissablack708]

Hmm but Jon didn't fall in battle so he didn't go to Valhalla, but to Hel; I don't think even Valkyries could pull a "soul" from her if she did not wish it. But I'm a little rusty on my Norse mythology, so I'm not sure.

[@Henbot]

What if the last hero is destined to become like cold hands? The last hero has to wait until a new last hero arrives which is Jon . So this means Jon takes his place🤔

[@DavidLightbringer]

Very possible, or that there is a chain of Coldhands people going back to the original last hero

[@TheYoghurt42]

You say Jon couldn't be too much of a cold zombie or the romance with Dany would be difficult, but she did have this dream that fits, err, quite well with that scenario: "Beneath her coverlets she tossed and turned, dreaming that Hizdahr was kissing her … but his lips were blue and bruised, and when he thrust himself inside her, his manhood was cold as ice. "

[@patchgodwilliams1024]

That's about euron she gets a similar warning from Xaro when he says fear the man with cold heart and blue lips at this point euron had captured pree and the dragon horn and wants to marry Dany, and since pree happened to also give him the dragon horn he is a serious threat to Dany

[@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL]

@@patchgodwilliams1024 don’t be certain until it’s printed on the Page in Black and White

[@Cissablack708]

@@JJJJJVVVVVLLLLL That my friend, is the best warning and heads up in regards to Martin's writing you could ever get.

[@Chilango16510]

Leaf being born in the time of the dragon, could imply she was around 200 years ago before the dance of the dragon, that’s what it’s meant for us to think, but she may be saying the time of the dragon back during the dawn age.

[@Fathoms09]

Thank you for the continued content! Love these character-based deep dives!

[@emilycarpenter2444]

Theory - Coldhands is Azor Ahai (or Last Hero, probably the same in this case), after his fires have burned out. His hands are black because they’re burned from the sword. He has to serve Bloodraven as atonement for killing Nissa Nissa in his search for power. Also, maybe he’ll meet up with John while he’s in Ghost and they can communicate with each other, like how Coldhands can keep his elk calm!

[@thelemmiebee]

Was so excited to watch the stream but my internet went out partway through. Watching it all now. Great topic! I'm anxious to see more of Coldhands in the story and all that he indicates. Also I really love your energy on these streams, it's always fun. Thanks for the content

[@sarahterry749]

Just finished a storm of swords for the first time and have been wanting to learn more about cold hands since. The old gods and the new have provided!

[@bryanr.1171]

Absolutely love these character studies. Adds so much more depth to the ASOIAF experience. Appreciate your work my dude.🌌

[@DavidLightbringer]

Thanks Bryan!

[@blablablabla3819]

My favorite theory for who Coldhands is if he’s not from the Age of Heroes is that he’s Redwyn, the ranger mentioned in TWOAF and ACOK, who drew maps and was connected to CotF/giants. ACOK, Jon I: He shoved some scrolls aside to reveal a dusty volume bound in rotted leather. "This," he said reverently, "is the account of a journey from the Shadow Tower all the way to Lorn Point on the Frozen Shore, written by a ranger named Redwyn. It's not dated, but he mentions a Dorren Stark as King in the North, so it must be from before the Conquest. Jon, they fought giants! Redwyn even traded with the children of the forest, it's all here." Ever so delicately, he turned pages with a finger. "He drew maps as well, see . . ." TWOIAF: The archives of the Citadel contain a letter from Maester Aemon, sent in the early years of the reign of Aegon V, which reports on an account from a ranger named Redwyn, written in the days of King Dorren Stark. It recounts a journey to Lorn Point and the Frozen Shore, in which it is claimed that the ranger and his companions fought giants and traded with the children of the forest. Aemon's letter claimed that he had found many such accounts in his examinations of the archives of the Watch at Castle Black, and considered them credible.

[@nickmajors2459]

"Don't try to raise the dead Bran," cuz you just might do it lol don't you think its weird that when John first spies the Wildling camp when he is asleep and skin changing Ghost, that Bran talks to him through a weirwood even though he had not even made it to Blood Raven yet. Bran can break through time and space, I believe this.

[@mausklick1635]

Could be Bloodraven pretending to be Bran, though.

[@nickmajors2459]

@@mausklick1635 I would say maybe but John says the tree looks oddly like bran, and then the bran tree says the three eyed crow opened my third eye, then the tree touches ghost and in a way... opens John's third eye lol its nuts and nothing like that ever really happens again

[@lukehanlon6781]

Bran effectively feeding his younger self and friends human flesh would be asoiaf at it's finest. I love this theory.

[@swaggerdagger5168]

Truly a bizarre sequence in the entirety of the story so far lol

[@johnnyjay6959]

Never apologize about not being up on celebrity culture. KZbin is the new celebrity culture my dude. So ur a celeb to us ur fans

[@karencove7197]

Thank you! I followed your videos through HOTD. I'm nursing a sick pet and have been bingeing on some of them to keep me calm. ❤

[@LunchThyme]

Loving the idea that the original Nights Watch was zombie LH and his companions, and that 'joining' the meant becoming undead. The words become so poignant: "I shall take no wife, hold no castles, father no children." isn't a vow to abstain from these things, it's admitting what you're giving up (dead men literally can't do them). "I shall live and die at my post." because, like Coldhands, you don't even need to leave it to eat or sleep. "I am the shield that guards the realms of men." of which you are no longer a part. "I pledge my life and honour to the Night's Watch, for this night and all nights to come." _all_ nights to come.

[@DavidLightbringer]

100%, the oaths really spell it out

[@TheChrisSig]

And not ONCE did you ask "how is coldhands." For shame.

[@PapaEmeritus_4evr]

David Prowse died (the guy who played Vader in Ep 1, 2 and 3. Not Sebastian Shaw, who you described. Sebastian Shaw played the face of Vader (who turned back to Anakin) at the end of Return of the Jedi. We never saw David Prowse's face in the movies. Thought that needed clearing up. R.I.P David Prowse.

[@justinkroboth360]

I love that you say "just port it over" in regard to Jon's soul - it's just the way you put it, it cracked me up. So, thank you for that, friend. :D Lovely work!

[@mommiesaurus]

I have been reading George since before The first book came out. I am a sci Fi OG geek. I have since the moment cold hands first appeared was. Gorn. As in Gorns way. For me it makes sense. If you read a bunch of George's other short stories. Gorn as Cold hands just makes sense.

[@micahlelugas5139]

I don't know if, based on the quote, Coldhands is calling the Three Eyed Crow a friend for himself. More like they could call Bloodraven friend, dreamer or wizard. GRRM is a lot of things but one things he loves doing is using language to create misunderstanding and confusion. That is why we have channels spending hours discussing minor characters. It amazes me that GRRM doesn't outline his work. So many details that intertwine.

[@catherinehalverson1436]

I think Jon’s attraction to Val - and his interactions with her - are a foreshadowing for his relationship with Dany. In ADWD, Jon observes: “The light of the half-moon turned Vals honey-blond hair a pale silver and left her cheeks as white as snow.” Might just be a night’s queen reference- but it could also describe Dany. Which also fits with all the parallels between Jon and Dany throughout the series. Maybe I’m off base, but Jon when talks about a how he would prefer a warrior princess to a proper lady, he could be describing Dany, and he also wishes for a dragon or three, which is definitely Dany. Maybe if the books end with him taking the place of the night’s king, Dany will be his night’s queen. They would spend eternity protecting the realms of men - that would be a bittersweet ending. OR- maybe she somehow frees him from that burden as part of her identity as a breaker of chains, by which she would steal his ghost - but then release it. And takes the burden herself, or sets them both free. 🤷‍♀️

[@DavidLightbringer]

One of those options seems likely - whichever one gives George the best heart in conflict vibes I’d guess :)

[@DavidLightbringer]

Good points about Val and Dany, I tend to agree

[@KaritKtana]

Accepting the Jon + Dany ship from the start, you can read Jon's relationships with Ygritt and Val as "prepping", or building up to, Dany (put very simplistic and not meant to take away from any of the women). It shows his attraction and ability to handle strong women who make their own way in the world and take charge! And that's before reading into the symbolism, specific phrases and analogies.

[@cernunnos_lives]

Or maybe he kinda likes the idea of dating his auntie. Freaking Targs.

[@pyropulseIXXI]

Val is the superior 'princess.' Val or bust!!!

[@animemaniacify]

This was an awesome stream! I'm glad I got to be here for it.

[@bobbehwitchie]

I missed the live stream but im about 30 mins into this and you made the point that Coldhand probably took bloodraven to the cave and that simple fact blew my mind. Can't wait to see what the rest of the stream has to offer! Stellar work as usual my dude.

[@Serenade2461]

I did kinda wonder about the timing when Bran gets to the cave and is told Bloodraven is almost gone. Isn't it convenient that just as the last of his life essence is being drained away that Coldhands escorts the new greenseer to be trained?

[@MADnoMORE]

Awesome stuff. I've watched dozens of hours of your content since finding it a week ago.

[@uruk-]

The idea that Jon ends up ranging beyond the wall is great, because it both makes sens and is sad. It's poetic. But what I wanted for the show, and what I kind of hope for the books, even if I find it less and less likely, is a way of telling us that this will happen again. Somewhere far North, some strange creature or a new Other could be seen sturing in Ice or something like that

[@jschoma11]

Its perfect. Jon always wanted to be a ranger right? If that isn't bittersweet for an ending...

[@belladonnajosephina1788]

I love the idea of Craster having killed Benjen, there is also the quote made by Dolorous Edd about the difference between a friend of the watch and an enemy is the friend buries the watchmen in a secret grave. And what might have hung in place of the bear skin before they arrived. 42:40 I feel that especially with the information we got from the HotD episode one that the idea that Bloodraven is using the Others to unite Westeros must be backwards.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Great video. I hadn’t caught the deeper meaning when the children talked about Cold Hands - makes a lot of sense.

[@catherinehalverson1436]

Love the Coldhands deep dive! Looking forward to exploring more characters.

[@pernillekaaber8335]

Very good stream! I love when you dive into the deeper symbolism and the complex stuff. Thank you for still creating new interesting content

[@matthewr7593]

Great discussion as always! Question: around minute 45 about the Kingsguard under Aerys being immoral bastards. Which is true. We praise Jaime for doing the right thing here, but are we sure the other kingsguard members wouldn't have done the same thing if they knew Aerys was about burn down the whole city? Didn't Jaime also stand by while all those other atrocities Aerys did were happening? Its easy for them to stomach the king torturing a few people at a time, but to kill tens of thousands (and also Jaime would have died too right?) is on a different magnitude that I'm not sure why we should believe the other kingsguards wouldn't have also done the same thing, if only to save their own life from going up in flames.

[@7PlayingWithFire7]

King's landing houses a million people

[@AlaskaBeary413]

LOVE that the vid just started with a massive passage reading!!! And the antlers are just awesome! 👍🏽❤️🦌

[@ZendikarMage42750]

I think it's totally plausible, maybe even likely, that the green zombie Night's Watchmen were created on the Isle of faces. I can't remember if you've talked about this in any of your videos, but we really don't know how far south the Others got during the Long Night, so it's possible that was as far north as was safe to travel at the time. Depending on when the Long Night fell, the Isle could easily have still been one of the Children of the Forest's more powerful ritual/gathering places, so even if it was a bit of a trek from the proverbial front lines, they may have needed to do their magic there.

[@DavidLightbringer]

I think this is a good possibility, yes! We’ll see how far the LN and the Others come in TWOW & ADOS

[@fawkescullen]

I've always seen Sandor as a true Hades figure, and Pyter Baelish as a false Hades character. Sort of like how Sandor is the redeemed Beast figure and Jeoffrey is the evil Beast figure from a Beauty and the Beast theme.

[@thelonelybolter8245]

really love your discussion and thoughts, awesome!

[@JenandTonic95]

I think Jon's first POV will be called The White Wolf or something similar and will have all these callbacks to Varamyr Sixskins, especially when he thinks about how Jon is denying his gift when he should have gloried in it...it will read like Arya and Brans wolf dreams and we will see the chaos at the wall through the Ghost/Jon

[@hinakhodiyara7883]

Love everything about this video. Thank you David.

[@charlessindo9645]

Love the Sunday idea. In-depth Character breakdowns. I am SOLD. 🔥Garth be praised🔥

[@mirandastieber5118]

Lmao I LOVE your Monty Python and the Holy Grail references 🙌🏼 Makes the game of thrones theories that much better

[@DavidLightbringer]

They’re pretty much oozing from my pores, hahha

[@dothrakidani358]

@@DavidLightbringer BUT. sorry to interrupt but..please..ser..I asked once what's the song and you answered, thanks!! But not that song. The more electronic-y song..sorry. not the Monty song, theres another...what's THAT one? Please.

[@Sienisota]

Perhaps Coldhands is the one Others were looking for, in the first chapter. Once they saw the man bleed, they knew it wasn't Coldhand, and swarmed to kill him.

[@turkturkleton2671]

Well spoken, gr eat points, and another great stream

[@elvergalarga6016]

Remember also that George likes to play semantics. He also claimed stoneheart wasn’t catelyn stark when asked similarly then backed it up with the whole change when they come back thing

[@charlessindo9645]

Had a long drive today and tried to listen live like this is NPR. 😂. But it kept dropping out and lagging. So I caught the replay. As always wonderful content. Love your interpretation of symbolism. Have you accepted Garth into your heart. 😂😂😂 My contribution.

[@melledevries4685]

I don't think Coldhands is being skinchanged by Bloodraven. Actually I think he's such a strange ice wight because he's the only one we've seen so far who _wasn't_ being skinchanged. The fact that Beric and Stoneheart get wighted and are still (mostly) able to hold conversation, and still (mostly) have complex motivations, makes me think that that's the normal way that wights are supposed to be. All the ice wights we've seen, in contrast, act out of mindless hatred against humanity, like they're not smart enough for more complex feelings--yet still they somehow manage to find and track humans to kill across the vast foresty expanses of the lands beyond the wall. I'm thinking all those wights, who seem to only do the Others' bidding, are being skinchanged by the Others. And would, if they weren't being skinchanged all the time, probably be much more like Coldhands and Stoneheart and Beric. This would conveniently allow Dany to free all the wights by just killing the Others. Or by striking a deal with them, if we're going for a pacifist ending. What I don't know is why Coldhands is then resistant to the Others' skinchanging powers. Perhaps because he himself is a strong skinchanger?

[@jschoma11]

I dont think the ice wights are still people like Beric. Remember, some of them are mostly bone. I think the Other's magic animates them like magical puppet strings, and if they let go, the corpses drop. The two wights that attacked Mormont were just bodies when found and transported. They weren't dead versions of the men they used to be like Beric. They only arose under the influence of the Others.

[@aris13pat1]

@@jschoma11 Yes but they had basic memory. They went straight to Mormont's chamber and surprisingly killed two men that stood in their way. No alarm sound from any guard so nobody tracked them. Only Ghost understood them. That means they remembered stuff about their previous life and had basic consious. Otherwise they would be like zombies of the Walking Dead show. I think Fire wights resume the task they had when they died whereas Ice wights do the exact opposite of what they assigned to do when they died. Interestingly Fire wights continue to do the thing that killed them while Ice Wights switch sides. Interestingly Gregor Clegane hasn't free will. It just follows orders. Like a robot.

[@SingingSealRiana]

Exelent point, I think it is something along those likes too. The typical ice whight are like remote controlled, similar to what happened in nightflyers, while coldhands, beric and stoneheart all lost parts of her humanity, but still act autonomiusly. They are all dead, but the ice ones are usualy overtaken by the will of the others, while coldhands had some way to prevent that and therefor can act on his own acord, ally himself with the living and keep doing, what he did in life.

[@bloodandempire]

@@aris13pat1 we don’t know that they have basic memory at all. The others controlling them could very well be the reason they went after Mormont. I think it’s more likely they DON’T remember anything judging by the way small Paul tried so hard to kill Sam.

[@chippersonsencyclopediaemp1318]

As much as i hate the show i really liked the nights watch stuff after John dies. The wildings coming to his support even in death and honestly.... The KING OF THE NORTH scene with lyanna mormont and John... When he lets the karstarks keep there land. Shit made me tear up

[@kawadashogo8258]

I honestly thought the part where the Children tried to discourage Bran from calling Ned back from death wasn't meant to be literal like you're interpreting it. I took it as "don't get lost in the past". I could see how a greenseer viewing the past might kind of mentally get lost there and lose their mind. Bran saying he saw Ned and Ned's alive would have sounded kind of worrisome to the Children if you look at it that way. It doesn't necessarily mean the Children actually think Bran could call Ned back from the dead. It could mean they think Bran might TRY to do that and go insane in the trying, because not only is it futile but that kind of thing is just too big to tamper with.

[@DavidLightbringer]

oh absolutely, that's perhaps the more likely interpretation. It's more like "it COULD mean that greenseers can raise the dead..." and honestly I would just think they could anyway

[@jpmzo]

Dude, love going over older material! I think you answered your own question re; Val… “Are you trying to take my wolf (my Ghost)” Val obviously has a role to play in Jon‘s resurrection. Maybe she and Mel will have a kind of resurrection conglomeration?

[@tirzahgayla]

Long time listener, first time poster haha Could you please post the link to your Eve video you spoke of during this Coldhands one? I watch Quinn's channel too as a huge scifi fan so it was fun to see him pop up here with you. You both seem like good guys. Thanks for the great videos and have a good evening.

[@DavidLightbringer]

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[@JonBrownSherman]

RIP David Prowse

[@wafflingmean4477]

Val definitely seems mildly romantically interested in Jon if I remember right. I wonder if they'll almost do a reverse Night's King plot, where she stands by him after he becomes this resurrected being with a far darker side, and he ends up doing something horrific to her.

[@catherinehalverson1436]

Love “Born to burn the others” video- I totally think you’re correct about this theory!

[@DavidLightbringer]

Awww thanks so much :)

[@stephaniehunter802]

Hi Lml, thanks for another great livestream. I am in London so your time slot is perfect. Looking forward to your next video Take care and stay safe xoxo

[@charleshill2121]

Nights watch often go to the wall to escape death sentences and are reborn to a new life.

[@TheINSANATY]

I read a theory on the internet that Coldhands is Joramun, and that the reason why he is a Wight with his concious in tact, is a side efect of blowing the Horn of Winter. Also according to the theory is that he was a member of the Night's Watch but rebelled against the 13th Lord Commander/Night's King, took a wildling girl as wife and had a son with the same name (Joramun Junior), which led the Free Folk against the Night's King alongside Brandon the Breaker and was backstabed after defeating the Night's King.

[@sophiawilson8696]

Interesting!! Question if Joramun Jr was his son why kill his father who ruling Castle Black?.

[@TheINSANATY]

@@sophiawilson8696 You didn't understand, according to the theory it says that Joramun rebelled against the NK, took a wife, had a son, blew the HoW, and faded into legend, while Joramun Jr. led the Wildlings alongside Brandon the Breaker to defeat the NK, and got backstabed by Brandon after defeating the NK, suggesting that the Starks, during the Age of Heroes, acted more like the current Lannisters in the present. Now Joramun Senior, I belive is under the influence of the HoW, causing him, to live an eternal life (think about Gollum from LotR).

[@sophiawilson8696]

@@TheINSANATY oh get it now. Thanks for explaining it for me. Joramun Jr that was mix up the whole thing. I didn't understand what you saying.

[@indoorplant2392]

While surfing the web?

[@ratgirl34]

While I don’t think Jon will abandon the wall, his death frees him of his oaths. His watch ends on his death. That’s the oath. He’s free to choose to become the Lord of Winterfell and become a true Stark. But in order to peruse his own interests without abandoning the wall and the men there, he needs to retake Winterfell and reunite the North. Lone wolves die where packs thrive.

[@tracymetherell8744]

I sure wish I didn’t work every other weekend. I would have LOVED to be part of this discussion. It’s great on playback as well.

[@DavidLightbringer]

I’m gonna be doing this every Sunday from now on Tracy so you can join live in you off weeks!

[@tracymetherell8744]

@@DavidLightbringer your content is fabulous live or not 😎

[@pawnmurica2407]

fantastic reading to start the video!

[@Parjuk]

Very sound reasoning for coldhands age, and I love the theory on Jon and his Resurrection and his spirit being much more "wolf"

[@cheyennelarsen9253]

Praise Garth! I love it! I obviously missed the live stream but by some magical way it was time! Made my day!

[@bensonrussell7232]

As always, thank you LmL out of all the song of ice and fire KZbinrs you just see things in the text that i dont hear anywhere else.. I always get that "oh shit!" Moment when 2 peices line up to answer another daunting question I have always had lol.

[@cobycurtis5209]

You the man, thanks for the great vids as always!

[@mayasixtus1573]

Great video, thank you for your great content. Comment for the algorithm beast

[@bannedaccount540]

I have a theory that Coldhands, the Last Hero, the Night's King and Bran the Builder may all be the same man, my theory goes that the Last Hero who won the Battle for the Dawn at his fortress (named Winterfell as it's the place where Winter fell) erected the Wall to ensure that the Others wouldn't be able to return (as he knew they one day would, and set the Night's Watch to guard it), now since we know that Winterfell and the Wall were both constructed by Bran the Builder its no stretch to draw the conclusion that he is/was the Last Hero, now where the Night's King comes into it is that in some versions of the Last Hero legend it is stated that the Hero had 12 companions who aided him in defeating the Others and ending the Long Night and the Night's King is said to have been the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, my theory goes that Bran the Builder realized that the Others would eventually return (Winter is Coming) and therefore took the Black to oversee their defeat again when this happened naming himself the 13th Lord Commander of the Watch instead of the 1st in honour of the 12 men who's sacrifice ensured the end of the Long Night, fast forward to the events of the Night's King legend where the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch took a female Other to wife and practiced black magic and human sacrifices at the Night Fort, the Night King was eventually defeated by an alliance between Bran the Breaker and Joruman (King beyond the Wall) and although the events of the battle are long since lost to history the Free Folk were banished back North of the Wall and the Nights Watch reinstated by the King of Winter and tasked with keeping the Wildlings North of the Wall (this also seems to be the start of the enmity between the Wildlings and those from South of the Wall), my theory goes that this order was given by Bran the Breaker in order to prevent reputational damage to House Stark. My theory also goes that Bran the Breaker was unwilling or perhaps even unable to kill his father and once the power the Otheress had over him was broken Bran the Builder now immortal was banished North of the Wall, perhaps even to the Land of Always Winter and cursed to have a Watch without end as a punishment for breaking his vows. (also in my theory the only way for Coldhands to die properly would be for the current Lord Commander would have to tell him "Your Watch has ended") Sorry for the longwinded rant.

[@brittanydimartino941]

Random but umentioned the Brotherhood Without Banners about an hour and 6 mins in, but I've always been intrigued by them! You and Quinn need to do a long In depth video about them,the individuals and what they are planning as an endgame!

[@tawk_studios]

LML - WORDS OF STARRY SACRAMENT "Let our bodies be the vessels that join the earth to the sky."

[@aris13pat1]

If you don't know what to do with your lives I have an idea. Make live discussions with Patreon (and not) members for your live podcasts. Call them for a short span of time and let them talk and ask questions live. You will kill multiple birds with one stone. Also you will have a variety of issues to discuss and you can collab with other youtubers that enjoy ASOIAF or similar work. Make a discussion about Dune/ASOIAF similarities or LoTR/ASOIAF distinctions or history/ASOIAF. I like your work although I'm not regular viewer on the channel. Wish you well. :)

[@blackeyedlily]

I sent a Superchat toward the end that never got picked up on. I enjoyed your reading of the Sam chapter when ColdHands first appeared in the early part of this live cast. As you ended it you mentioned that it is also full of symbolism, but you didn’t elaborate on any of it. So when it became apparent that you were starting to wrap things up, I sent in a super chat to ask you to share some examples of the symbolism from that section that you have identified. When my Superchat went off the screen I made a comment about it and one of the mods asked me to repeat it. I did so, but still never got a response. Would it be possible for you to go into this during your next live chat? I’m not real good at picking out the symbolism until someone pointed out to me. Then it continues to stick out whenever I here those bits again. Other than that, this was a great live stream and I look forward to your new series of character driven live streams. BTW, I submitted in my email to your indiegogo book mailing list.

[@DavidLightbringer]

Sure thing Lily, will do just as you requested and will talk about it next stream. The key is the ravens blotting the moon and coming from the weirwood.... I should have gone into it anyway. Sorry about missing you, and thanks so much for signing the mailing list

[@alexandermendez4653]

Cold Hands is my favorite figure in the whole series. A helpful ice demon who rides a ten foot tall elk and commands hundreds of ravens. Yeah, I need to know who he is. I feel like he will have a part to play in the wars to come. Also, I really love the idea of the first night's watch being the last hero's 12 resurrected companions and Cold Hands is the one of them. Maybe there are more of them still out there.

[@romavictora]

Great job as Always brother. Thanks

[@wafflingmean4477]

I think two crucial factors which prove the wights all have some awareness of who they used to be are firstly that there seems to be no apparent afterlife in ASOIAF. I can't remember if anyone who died in the books (Berick for example) ever specifically stated seeing nothing during death, but in the show this is stated explicitly, and this feels like a detail they would take from GRRM. The second is that there is no indication that Varamyr was reanimated as a wight. Be honest, if you body snatched a wolf and glanced over to see your own reanimated corpse, you would think of almost nothing else. But nothing happened. Varamyr's soul - for lack of a better word - left his body and seemed to leave it powerless. So every wight has a soul, with no weirwood net, wolf or afterlife to flee to. They all have some memory of who they are, and to be honest, it fits with GRRM's style. What a horrific fate that would be to understand the horrific nature of what's happening to you and be powerless to stop it. Personally I think reanimating wights is some advanced form of skinchanging. (Edit) And I kept watching and you have the same theory lol

[@Mike-vh9gs]

I only had time to watch the first half but awesome stream man! Had I crazy thought listening to you. When you read the coldhands line "your monster Brandon stark" I had the thought, could bran actually be coldhands? Bran shows he can go into Hodor and also hints that he can change the past. Maybe future bran takes control of a dead coldhands to help his younger self along their journey. Maybe crazy but that line just made me think it.

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

“The bile rose in his (Bran) mouth “ is a reference to Brandon (the Bloody Blade) tasting blood in his in Bran’s last Weirwood vision.

[@docinsano2747]

Regarding Jon, Danny meating. It is my opinion that Jon will go through his undying visions while dead. At the same time Danny will probably go through the same thing while at Vaes Dorthrak. There is a possibilitythat they will meat each other in a dream vision before they phisicaly do.

[@katiefox5791]

The part of the book where they say that lord Beric gives Cat the kiss of life makes me feel like Cold Hands may be able to do the same for John.

[@pinkbunny6272]

I waited until it became a video, so it doesn't lag... I'm here now!

[@zachariahbourgeois3272]

Sorry to hear about your Euron video. Those two are a couple of my favorites for sure!

[@iBesaZombie]

That BROTHERRRRR fucking gets me every time

[@JoeSnoe126]

I think that Jon's first chapter will give us some of that pathway from human spirit to ice wight, BUT I do think Melisandre will perform the kiss of life during the funeral just before they burn his body and the fire will go in and cleanse or mix with the ice magic to form a proper green magic zombie. I don't think he'll be raised through just one means of zombification because he has such strong blood ties to each form of magic. I could see Mel performing the kiss, and as the fire animates Jon it also burns Ghost (similar to Varamyr/Orwell combusting). I think you're right that the Other's ice magic will start its process to claim Jon, but I think it's going to be that perfect timing/circumstance that will make Jon so unique. Also if Coldhands is the Last Hero then perhaps he too was a child of fire and ice... Coldhands' father AA and mothter NN? That same blood connection that Jon has to fire and ice magic is how Coldhands was able to be reanimated? lol I BIG TIME enjoyed the video! Lol ALSO If Jon comes back to life before getting put into the funeral pyre he will also be "The Unburnt" :P

[@DavidLightbringer]

I’m expecting many parallels to Danys walking into the pyre, exactly, right down to that idea of defeating the fire

[@TheBlackconsigliere]

The post murder chaos at the wall is the main reason I need WOW ASAP

[@Dr.waffles1101]

Love it when I find out my favorite theorists arent moonlighting as q-anaoners. Also I haven't seen your video called eve did nothing wrong but without any evidence....yeah sounds about right

[@natesmith2408]

My guy. The guy we see at the end of return of the jedi is Sebastian Shaw. I'm not sure how long David Prowse was in the suit but he's not the guy we see. We never see his face in the films but there's behind the scenes photos. There was some fall out between Lucas and Prowse because word is he didn't know his voice would be dubbed until he saw the first movie. Either way. RIP.

[@fawkescullen]

I've always thought that Danny and Jon are going to have a spiritual romance. Not a physical one. GRRM takes a lot of time in ASoIaF, Dunk & Egg books, and Fire and Blood emphasizing that incest isn't good. He has it in the story to emphasis the ancient romans and inbreeding in the aristocracy, but not in a good way (he doesn't validate it, but it is a plot point and theme he analysis). So, I don't think the big epic love he's leading to is going to be incestuous, that would be counterproductive to the themes he's been analyzing, IMO. And Jon/Danny would be incestuous (nephew/aunt). I think it will be a spiritual romance where they recognize a lot f themselves in each other, and will walk hand in hand to their fate - dying together to save the living. It will be, IMO, a mutual self-sacrifice.

[@DavidLightbringer]

i tend to agree. they have shared values, shared history, and shared destiny

[@amynurss1375]

This is awesome!

[@TiroX517]

Comment for the algorithm

[@yosephbuitrago897]

It worked

[@renaigh]

the last line of AGOT Prologue was Royce strangling Will with a Cold Hand

[@renaigh]

the line that says he was killed long ago may be referring to the first chapter of the series.

[@annabuys3985]

I'm catching up late, but I loved the Euron videos! Shame on people who missed out!

[@staytuned2L337]

Has anyone proposed that Cold Hands is the man Bran saw being sacrificed by the Children yet? Apparently when he speaks it's croaky and weird, like Stoneheart's, and her voice is all messed up because she had her throat slit...🤔 The vision man would definitely be dead long enough to qualify for Leaf's sense of time. It's such a random and strange vision that we don't get anything else from, and we all know GRRM doesn't put things in for nothing. I don't know if they would have sacrificed him before or after the threat of the Others (I say after - they probably realized the oopsie of the Others, so they had an ally for Man made.) but I think Cold Hands is a plausible candidate for the weirwood sacrifice. The bit where Leaf says they killed him long ago could be a half truth. We don't **really** know if the others did or not. He does have the ice magic power and can't go past the wall like the others, so maybe the others did attack him and the children did indeed intervene, but we don't know **how** any of that works, other than that the subject needs to be dead to be wighted, but it doesn't seem to be a slow take over that would give the children time to stop the process. He could be a parallel/set-up/foreshadowing for Jon in that they both die and become semi wighted. He could be an attempt at protection...I don't know, but I'm more inclined to believe it was the children, over The Others...maybe the sacrifice they made to the weirwood protected his body in some way so it didn't totally corrupt him when he was wighted. I don't know. 🥴

[@OO-tc3wx]

Was Craster father cold hands?

[@bloodandempire]

I love the NIN/ Ni shirt so much

[@renlyspeach7622]

Do not try to ride the elk. In fact, do not try to approach the elk if he is in rut, he WILL try to mount you.

[@DavidLightbringer]

Words to live by

[@mikkelhkkerup7934]

Perhaps Coldhands is the man, who gets his throat slit in front of the Winterfell Weirwood, who Bran saw in his last Weirwood vision in A Dance with Dragons? And Coldhands’ real name might even have been Brandon Stark, as he says “I am your monster, Brandon Stark”, and in our Brans’ Weirwood vision after the man has his throat cut, we are told “…and Brandon Stark could taste the blood through the ages”. Some of the citations might be a bit parafrasing from memory, but still be valid for the conversation.

[@brandonblackfyre5783]

Amazing video!!

[@DavidLightbringer]

Thank you!!