They Stole My Music and My Money - AGAIN

[@chordsoforion]

I am pleased to announce that Sony has released the claim on my song/video that was mentioned in this vid. Thanks to all of you for the support, love and comments!!! I did hear from several of you that KZbin was showing ads the whole time, even though they said they weren't. I won't know for a few days if there will be any revenue returned, as KZbin did not indicate that it was being held in escrow. But at least it's good moving forward.

[@Futurescapes-SciFiAmbience]

Hey glad it got released! Me and a bunch of other ambient channels deal with this too and we’re always talking about it. The issue for me is that the KZbin copyright detection is obviously an automated thing, analizing the waveform or something. So it could be one reverb tail, one square wave from the same synth plugin, who knows, and in addition to that, KZbin doesn’t actually get involved. Like your previous video points out, it’s always up to the claimant to release it or not. I think a large part of the issue would be resolved if the second level of dispute got someone from KZbin involved. So the first one goes to the claimant for release and most copyright claims can be worked out among the people. Then, when it needs further action, it goes to KZbin, someone (a real person) from KZbin reviews it, listens and realizes it was a detection mistake and releases it. I can’t be too much for KZbin to have a team somewhere in charge of these reviews. That way music creators could rest easy that at some point their work can actually get reviewed by KZbin and proven to be original. Maybe that’s the petition we should start. Anyways, sorry your revenue didn’t get held in escrow, I haven’t seen that happen before :( Also as I know you’re aware but as a reminder, always avoid having more than 2 in dispute at the same time. It would be rare to have 3 not released all at the same time and get 3 strikes, but you never know. I had 1 in escrow until yesterday, and another video with 2 detected claims on it, I’ve been waiting until the first one is released before I submit disputes for the other 2 so I don’t have 3 going at once. Frustrating but that’s the way it is currently. Hope your channels continue to grow, love your content! :)

[@ladyshaymusic.official]

This is Still not over. For every one they pay off, there are still hundreds of thousands of us being ripped off. Everyday. Stay Vigilant and Protect your Hark Work. Music cares. Not the banks.

[@sandy120]

@@Futurescapes-SciFiAmbience I have a sneaky suspicion the automated copyright sysstem is analyzing the waveform and if something is "close enough" it will content ID it. It was probably made this way to stop people speeding up/slowing down/ pitch shifting etc to get around content ID however genres like ambient music tend to throw a wall of sound at you maybe small parts of the waveform are "close enough" and triggering it?

[@Futurescapes-SciFiAmbience]

Ya totally! I agree and I think you’re probably right. It probably just has to be somewhat similar in the waveform for a few seconds to get triggered. I understand the reason for it being sensitive but creators need some kind of reassurance that in the end they will be ok@

[@Maplefoxx-vl2ew]

yea youtube is very broken, all musicians need to exodus the F outta here and start something new

[@TheEsotericaChannel]

I am dealing with something similar - In fact, I'm talking to lawyers. It's time for a class action lawsuit against YT. I'm sorry this is happening to you too.

[@Bloor005]

Now THAT is a solution. Finally. Someone realised.

[@mjklein]

Count me in on that.

[@stephss]

Please share your experience. Good luck!

[@Milklord47]

Honestly an awesome idea, you and others should actually try and start a movement because I can definitely see some change happening there if a bit of traction is gained. There are countless youtubers ranging from hundreds of subs to hundreds of millions who would be willing to join in, just about every creator on the platform has been plagued by copyright issues at one point or another so you'd imagine candidates wouldn't be hard to come by once word gets out 🤔

[@hypnocoil3968]

Yeah, someone needs to do something, I wish you godspeed!

[@olivermirez6667]

This is absolutely incredible, KZbin is gotta put an end to this. How is this even possible? Copyright claims are supposed to help protect original material created by artists, but it's doing exactly the opposite. 😠

[@eveishard2334]

KZbin won't do a damned thing. They're making too much money getting kickbacks from companies like Sony.

[@charlespancamo9771]

it's my internal theory that youtube wants to gradually push out independent creators of all types, especially news and music and basically turn this into cable tv

[@zamplify]

KZbin absolutely doesn't care.

[@Joe-mz6dc]

KZbin doesn't have time to protect these people. They spend all their time going after commenters who use scary words.

[@Emily_M81]

@@charlespancamo9771 I don't think you're wrong. They already offer multiple subscriptions for multiple products. I bet within ten years the "sub for no videos" will be "sub for less videos" and they've already raised the price from $10 to $15.

[@mr.justice3220]

Stuff like this makes me miss the old internet. Copyright is an absolute joke these days

[@Bloor005]

Copyright, as a right, is fine. Its the law-up of the corps that is the issue. KZbin included.

[@bulkvanderhuge9006]

And we have METALLICA to thank for the DMCA coming about. Because Lars was mad, he couldn't buy his own island and gold-plated Bathroom because of Napster.

[@Bloor005]

@@bulkvanderhuge9006 I think its unfair to blame Lars. Or Metallica. The industry literally changed over night and record companies lost control of distribution this way. They failed to act as soon as it became a problem. This wasnt just a few kids sharing tapes. This became organised crime due to the Napster model. Yeah use of DCMA isnt great, but its a reaction and an exploitation.

[@brianbergmusic5288]

LLMs is often proving to be a a net loss for humanity.

[@sebastianduran17]

Copyright has no sense, if the music is good and other people want to pay tribute for me, playing it better than me, I'll be proud.

[@SimplyHypnotic]

I’ve just received a fresh strike for using my own music on a live stream. I appealed the claim, informed them the track in question is published in stores under my name, and I have an actual video of me creating the track from scratch in my Daw, and I still lost. KZbin didn’t care that the claimant was Simply Hypnotic and hit me up with a Community Guidelines warning and a visit to copyright school. I uploaded the track again to prove a point, received another claim that was successfully appealed, informed them and they still refused to back down, stating uploads and live stream claims are different things entirely 😂

[@mister_ed]

There should be some sort of penalty for making erroneous copyright claims. Similar to how a channel can be removed after three copyright strikes, companies who makes more than three erroneous claims should be banned from making further claims.

[@ConsciousBrosCommunity]

Hear, hear!

[@Joe-mz6dc]

Yup. Just like NHL Diving Penalties. In the National Hockey League (NHL), diving, also known as embellishment, is a penalty called when a player intentionally exaggerates their reaction to a minor or nonexistent contact in order to draw a penalty from the referees. They had to introduce that penalty because too many wimp players were exaggerating to try to get the attention of the refs. KZbin is diving and they need to get called out.

[@boomguitarjared]

I don't know why this isn't a policy already. It's clear as day how this current system can, ahnd is being abused by bad actors, yet KZbin isn't changing their policies... l:/

[@ev25zv]

Who is going to ban them from making a claim? KZbin can't.

[@mrgonflables]

As good as this idea is, it'll never happen. Google is both afraid of the record labels and in a perverse symbiotic relationship with them. It's better for them to screw over their small content creators than to incur the wrath of companies like Sony.

[@SophisticatedBob]

This is an epidemic. I've heard of a number of musicians having this same issue. People are claiming others' music as their own in an effort to make money off something that isn't theirs. And then the musicians who created it have to fight to get their own music back. It's incredible. And AI is going to make things 1000x worse.

[@Emily_M81]

yup. ML is being trained on all these bag choices. It's like raising a child to become a dreg of society.

[@TheImageDoctor]

Perhaps you meant to say, "AI has ALREADY made things 1000x worse." The facts are very clear. AI is most definitely running amuck with the YT matching algorithms, and THAT's why we're seeing situations like the video above. A more simple mechanical algorithm would require very specific sonic matches to make a positive determination. But YT isn't the least bit concerned with accuracy. YT actually wants as much ERROR in the system as possible, so as to effectively demonetize as many videos as possible by making the original artists prove they are INNOCENT rather than the platform having to prove they are GUILTY. Yes, this should be a class-action lawsuit; but it will never make it to trial because somehow the content-ID system will miraculously begin working better within days of the class-action lawsuit being announced. Watch and see people... watch and see... We don't have a platform problem. We have a people problem. It is the PEOPLE running the F'ing platforms that are causing these problems. Stop blaming "platforms" and blame the PEOPLE implementing all of these things on the platforms. FACT

[@ev25zv]

@@TheImageDoctor AI should make it much better. It hasn't, but it has the ability to do so.

[@abcedertreetoo]

@@ev25zvAs demonstrated in numerous industries, it clearly does not.

[@maxhult830]

@@ev25zvI admire your faith in AI… not so much your intellect. non-believers like me knew this would happen, and AI will not ”develop” the ”ability” to get it right. Just plain common sense. F AI!

[@andrews6505]

KZbin will antagonize you over a few seconds in a 9-hour video, but still can’t stop suggesting a video in my feed that I’ve already watched, automatically. Thanks for sharing your experience

[@AlexandreProkoudine]

If there is any good coming out of this it’s new subscriptions to the Echoes channel. I know I’m one of those people :)

This is too easy for them. FFS KZbin get your shit together

[@SeytonWallace]

There needs to be a $80,000 fine every time someone files a false claim. All money goes to the vicim of the harassment.

[@CaptainRon1913]

It should be $81,472.24, not $80,000

[@SeytonWallace]

@ That had not occurred to me, Dude.

[@SuppersReady8880]

$100 would be punishing enough to clear out most of the scammers, since they are stealing little $10-$20 revenue streams most of the time. Plus, they should be required to put $500 cash into escrow as good faith money... that can be collected against after a couple appeals and a YT human review.

[@dasMobius]

This is one of my worst nightmares. It hasn't happened to me yet but I have lost sleep over my fear of it. Please continue to defend your music, and continue to share your music online! I believe that the social sharing of music is part of what makes music what it is. I'm not saying that this social sharing must be social media, but the sharing of original works on social media should be encouraged. Social media fails to achieve its aim when it discourages us from sharing our creative works. Defend your work. Stay strong, and keep making music. We cannot let corporations abuse technology to steal our creativity. Art is a human right! I hope everything is resolved in your favor soon, and thank you for sharing your predicament.

[@PeterFrayne-o4n]

Feedback is nature and physics at work. Nobody owns it.

[@timjim10]

Three or four times I have thought about starting a channel but your recent experiences are an example of why I haven’t. I always hit like for you!

[@KazarianKzar]

My condolences... I've been extremely frustrated by KZbin's automated claims. BTW, that Holst shirt is awesome.

[@djgray1200]

Just a note of support. Been following for quite a while as a fan of ambient music and Frippertronics. I wish nothing but the best for you. You've been so genuine with your audience. We'd be so supportive. You've fostered good will always and you're appreciated.

[@bstoner1300]

Sorry to hear this - you’re an amazing musician and you deserve the best

[@seanmatthews5279]

KZbin content ID is just a joke at times. It's even worse when actual humans uphold the claim.

[@Novastar.SaberCombat]

If you ain't rich and powerful, then you ain't nothin'. No exceptions.

[@Bloor005]

Joke? No. This is exactly how YT wants it to work.... to help those corps.

[@jamesdragonforce]

@@Bloor005​​⁠Not always. Machines make mistakes. Though maybe that’s how the algorithm is designed, to make claims based on vague and trivial similarities between the songs.

[@skeletonbow]

Once again Bill, thanks for this video and sharing your story with such a calm demeanour and outcome focus. Hopefully others affected by similar issues will follow in your level headed footsteps!

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

Just as you CANNOT copyright a chord, you CANNOT copyright harmonic feedback.

[@guitaristssuck8979]

Yeah, but if intervals are the same here we have a similarity...

[@sirzebra]

@@guitaristssuck8979 So what, you want to NOT pay me everytime you play a C chord ? Because according to a lawyer statement i got here, i own the rights on the C chord, and even if you play it with a tuned down ukulele, it's still my C chord. Now hand about those 0.00002 cents you made playing my chord dude, or i'll close your youtube account. ^ that's what you're trying to defend, barely hyperbolized.

[@xisotopex]

@@guitaristssuck8979 what are you talking about? do you even know what "intervals" are?

[@ev25zv]

@@guitaristssuck8979 You can't copyright intervals either, and you can't copyright chord progressions. How many times have you heard a standard blues progression? There are multiple things that have to be considered for something to be an actual PA copyright infringement. There are SR copyrights that could potentially ding someone on feedback, but not if it wasn't lifted from the original recording. This is why Swift is rerecording her earlier albums - because she owns the PA copyrights but not the SR copyrights.

[@guitaristssuck8979]

@@ev25zv if you play intervals the same way there's not much to do...

[@lastdaysguitar]

The Christmas song I've released in memory of my mom which was entirely old classics all in the public domain for years got hit with this bogus 5 second content claim.

[@christianssonicspaces494]

I'm very sorry to hear that. Your channel is so awesome and deserve the monetarization. Somehow I heard this kind of story recently more often on YT. And even with my other small synth ambient YT channel I got this kind of copyright issues. The weird part was, that I repeated some pieces of it to make a very long video version and the copyright claim was not on the first time played the piece, but just on the last repeat. And when I listened to this music, it didn't have much to do with my music. This showed me that the YT algorithm has "a lot of room for improvement" (i.e. it sucks a lot!!!). After I got my disputes rejected, I stopped with my channel, even I never planned to monetarize it.

[@henryvanweeren7233]

I made a comment on the previous post about this situation: "music pimping". Google is making money from this situation both ways. The world needs another platform--and bury KZbin.

[@ShebenMuzik]

I think you will easily win this claim. I had a similar problem a few years back with a song starting with a drum machine pattern that I made from scratch. It was not even the same sounds, not the same tempo, just a somehow similar drum pattern.

[@Highcastle_of_Geek]

YT copyright system is beyond broken and it’s here to serve the corpos and not the content creators.

[@Bloor005]

It is NOT broken. This is exactly how they want it to work. This is in the deal they made with large corps.

[@joeoge9347]

Just another reason I refuse to buy YT premium. They do too many things like this and worse for me to support them.

[@aliensporebomb]

I had a similar thing happen to me! I played at an ambient guitar festival in Minnesota and as a favor to a friend filmed his single long piece set and uploaded it with his permission for future perusal since many people couldn't attend the festival who were out of state. It was content ID'd as being a Radiohead song "Paranoid Android" which bears NO RESEMBLENCE whatsoever to the ambient drone the friend performed. Weirdly, none of the other ambient pieces I filmed that day were claimed nor was the except of my own performance. So that being said, yes it was cleared up but it was a very strange thing. I just think youtube has an algorithm that has real problems with ambient music because it's aimed at detecting "today's pop hits" or whatever.

[@js27-a5t]

Here's what i think. They have fed their AI baby monsters on 'content'. But perhaps for music that means 'pop music'. And their AI baby monsters can't tell the difference between your ambient guitar piece and "Paranoid Android". So it thinks you ripped that off. I can't believe what a hellscape this is, and I fear we're only getting started. The only way out of this for musicians is to ban together and do something *legally* about it. Musicians need better lawyers. This fight is long overdue.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@js27-a5t I think you're right. I can sometimes get Siri to identify street noise as a song to download..

[@leftthechatsound]

sorry to hear these troubles, Bill 😞

[@BrianVallotton]

I am so sorry to hear that you are going through this. I wish you peace my friend. Takes the fun right out of things.

[@PM9Video]

How stupid has the internet become?

[@Bloor005]

Stupid? This is orchestrated.

[@musiqtee]

The internet is an infrastructure, a tool. Corporations shape law, creating capital through our _use_ of their internet platforms. The literal bullet that doesn’t kill by itself - whoever sticks it in a gun, may though… Activism should be legislative, like entities who already play that game too well. Change law - otherwise corporations won’t change either.

[@NinjaRunningWild]

It started with social media. It was all downhill from there.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@NinjaRunningWild I think you're right there.. Before Facebook, only geeks were online and now, every idiot is here and they all think their opinion matters more than everyone else's.

[@johnhuffman2993]

Oh man! I do not know how you keep your composure! Love how thorough you are. Love your music too.

[@NickBDesigns]

Thanks for keeping us in the loop- I have found great support from the people who have heard my music and it’s pretty fulfilling so I like you will continue to share

[@RobertDorschel]

Stay strong, Bill. Thank you for sharing

[@erichausmann]

Sorry you're going through this , man. It's been happening to me too, for years. But mostly on Instagram. Same scenario, also Sony, also still okay in a few select countries. I pushed back, I've written explanations and they just kept rejecting my claims. Sorry to say, I've given up the fight. It's hard enough even trying to promote music. All I want to do is write music, play it and record it.

[@Newrecordday2013]

Wow! I’m so sorry man!

[@rg1355]

HEY! You used the same 12 notes and your in A440....you can't do that!!! Incredible

[@Emily_M81]

how DARE you play a chord!?

[@aliasdandavisofficial]

"I think there's some kind of issue with it" is such a polite and egalitarian description. Props for being able to talk about this like a rational person. I'm not sure I could.

[@DukeEnlil]

Just yesterday I coudnt sleep at night and listened to Holst planets and now You Sir with a Holst T-shirt))) Cosmic magic! Hope everything will be ok and solved!

[@GManWrites]

I recorded a version of Holst Mars the Bringer of War and I got a copyright claim which I won because it was my recording of music which is in the public domain.

[@richardkirk9324]

The world's gone crazy. Thanks for helping me cope. You're giving away beautiful music. They should be paying you.

[@TheLambLive]

I get a copyright claim, and also a shadowban, on every one of my live streams.. I have a full copyright license for everything I perform and it costs me a substantial sum of money. Whats far worse, is KZbin holds a copy of my licence, but for every single claim, the claimaint never responds,,, they just let the 30 day clock run out by which time any hope of monetisation is long gone.. KZbin does absolutely nothing to penalise these fake claimaints, and that's the abhorrent bit... Surely if you let the 30 day default expire, you should be banned from making any further copyright claims !.

[@christopherhenke5545]

We are in the darkest timeline. I am sorry you have to deal with this BS.

[@GiovahPerez]

incredible!

[@InvertedPopesMusic]

Now that is very interesting. I have just uploaded today (10 Dec 2024) an ambient self composed improvisation live track that I created and recorded in my studio and SME have immediately hit me with a copyright claim. I listened to the supposed track that I have copied. I listened to the 15 seconds of ambient drone that I created and is apparently the same as the orchestral movie soundtrack! There is nothing that matches nor sounds the same. Maybe a chord is the same maybe a drone but bottom line this is theft and these companies are just taking the p*ss. This is a YT issue absolutely yet they wash their hands of it. Come on KZbin get your finger out. You are making a fortune out of us so take some responsibility.

[@guitaristssuck8979]

Come on, when it comes to make formulaic music convergences are a natural collateral effect...

[@Bigfamilyhomestead]

It's happened to me 6 times- ONE from Epidemic Sound as well... just for background music I WROTE on a farm video on Big Family Homestead. YT is NO HELP.

[@ManuelBelli]

As a musician I support your work and claims and hope this will be sorted out soon. Greetings from Italy

[@avpostbox]

Even with all the issues, it is worthwhile to post your music and other content on YT, Bill! Thank you for doing that!

[@rtmsoundscapes]

What a sad experience. Thanks for posting this. Hopefully you'll omit this in the future uploads.

[@BroncoJay]

What a story....Hope you get what's yours Bill. For what it's worth : I subscribed to your Echoes -Channel :)

[@MrDCPatterson]

I love your channel, love your music and think you are an awesome thought leader in our music creator space on KZbin. Shouting out support and encouragement to keep going!!

[@je_suis_le_vent]

long time subscriber and fan. i'm so sorry to see you're going through this. don't let it dim your fire.

[@lorcazola]

KZbin needs a POLICY Overhaul.

[@patrickhackett3878]

I'm old; I see the whole world degrading into organized chaos. Good luck, younger generations.

[@deadlydee7239]

Your channel is inspiring with your music and lessons. My heart aches to learn of such injustice.

[@MirlitronOne]

Apparently, there have been YT copyright strikes against people demonstrating filter sweeps on synthesizers - go figure.

[@SPanuccioMusic]

Yeah was going to say this. Loopop got hit for a filter sweep 🤦‍♂️

[@ViviSectia]

You're probably right about it being the drone at the end getting matched. Content ID also has a problem with matching bird sounds in the background to other videos.

[@BrotherLemur]

Corporate abuse of individuals such as artists needs to be recognized and criminalized.

[@JTB--]

Class Action Lawsuit time against Epidemic Sound and others

[@Bloor005]

@@dizzy2020 Hi there. I see you are using youtube. And "class" by legal definition in many countries means more than 3. Add in crowd funding. You've a solution.

[@tziirkq]

"I see you are using KZbin." If you want people to stop going to McDonald's, do you tell the crowd at the farmer's market, or the people at McDonald's?

[@Bloor005]

@@tziirkq are you saying everything is exclusive? Are you reeeeallly trying that as validation to the argument? Specious reasoning. KZbin can shadowban you for saying that (and they have in the past to others). You best method of attack is from the side, not within in this scenario.

[@tziirkq]

@@Bloor005 are you reeeeeeally saying that I should tell people on Rumble to use Rumble?

[@DenManTau]

Thanks for making this video! This claims really get out of hand..

[@azhaz578]

This is insane. Thank you for posting this.

[@antholito]

Sony is evil with their copyrights. Someone needs to start a class action against them as well

[@gabrielperrymusic]

KZbin content ID is nuts... you can't copyright a drone. Next you know they're going to be trying to copyright strumming a chord. WTH???

[@PaulPauliePabloPaolo]

This ridiculous situation could be sorted out almost immediately by YT if they wanted to… I stand with you brother!.

[@carlgutzs]

Your music and your voice it's so medical therapy! Greetings Bill!

[@alexandrevalente9994]

What a sad world :-( I hope you will be cleared of all this and get back your music and money.

[@silviocapobianco6553]

Sony Music? Once again, I'm not surprised.

[@ibuildstuffanddothings]

I support you staying with YT even with the issues, but they need to work a little harder supporting the creators that are the reason the thing even exists. If not for YT I never would have found you, Bill and you have been a bright light in my world since I did!

[@TheMetalMag]

sorry to hear! these days it's going to be hard to fight for your own creation. I once heard my riffs in a cd from someone who stole my music.

[@patrickmckay6621]

funniest situation is when musicians get strikes for playing THEIR OWN music. Thats a pain in the knee

[@guitaristssuck8979]

Happened to me with Balcony TV.

[@Bob48]

God-darn it!! I keep hearing this from the best you-tubers these days!! So sorry to hear this...perhaps someone will come up with an alternative music sharing platform. Love your channel...try not to get too discouraged; your music is wonderful and it's what counts in the end. Keep well.

[@augustusbetucius2931]

The music you play in the background - At first I thought it was the Robert Fripp playlist from the room down the hall, then realized it was your music. Ha! That's great.

[@automaticraccon]

If YT allows this a few times on a lot of channels it is money in their own pockets. Sounds like a shtick.

[@carlmartinez7399]

A lot of crooks in this world.

[@kentaccordionist]

They did me for my accordion arrangement of a traditional English sea shanty that’s hundreds of years old, and well out of copyright.

[@briancoveney3080]

Thanks for You, Sir.

[@noahyes]

i just happened to randomly stumble on this video. ive had issues with this in the past as well and my understanding is that the software is matching waveforms. it has no concern about key or pitch or any of that kind of thing, its just matching a waveform. clearly this works most of the time, but given the sheer volume of waveforms it is analyzing, its bound to see some things that look the same in a waveform but contain different audio. the tech design just needs improvement. i think eventually this kind of thing wont happen anymore. glad you got your claim released so quickly.

[@JoshMetcalfe]

Can you make an automatic pre-claim on your video's music by your own account? This reminds of issues I experience with Shazam attempting to identify an almost unknown instrumental piece. The results just feel like a random song gets suggested as the song it thinks it is.

[@DreamRoadpl]

This situation is getting worse and worse. I make some vlogs, I walk around talking and whenever I pass close to a restaurant or any business and some song plays in the background for a few seconds, the entire video gets a copyright notice. Recently I was making a video about a street festival and couldn't publish it due to the music playing. This is insane.

[@bodragon4582]

What happens if A.I. copyrights every conceivable combination of notes and phrases, so that EVERY "original" piece of music written has to be copyright infringement ? I cant see this not happening and destroying any chance of making $$ through writing.

[@SwingingCreeper]

There are plenty of people out there who would applaud that.

[@mxk-music]

@@SwingingCreeper two tec guys built this AI years ago and went to court, trying to release the dataset into public domain but I don't know the outcome

[@EOeoEOeoOEoeOEeo]

I heard about someobody having already done this.... every possible melody combination of notes for some specific set of time. I haven't heard anything of it since.

[@alfsmith4936]

Wait until they start claiming the gaps as 4.33 by John Cage..

[@kassemir]

I mean the system of them demonetizing the video instead of monetizing it and keeping the earnings in limbo until the dispute is settled just sound bonkers to me.

[@synapticrush]

This is the only sensible response I see on here. We should be in awe of what technology can do, and that it works so well most of the time (Shazam, Soundhound helped me discover music). Of course AI is going to mess up at times. Indeed they could keep monetizing and arbitrate to whom the funds go once it is settled by humans.

[@bubbles3161]

I’m glad to hear this. I was about to start a KZbin channel. Thank you.

[@48king24]

KZbin should address this situation now. It’s only gonna get worse.

[@alfsmith4936]

You just need to keep feeding the commuter data, apparently..

[@Skyverb]

It happens to small creators too. The manual review for me was denied twice. The third time I had to write an essay with proof etc. and threaten to get lawyers involved just for them to release it. Worst part is the song they claimed I stole sounded literally nothing like the claim. On my covers I don't mind claims as that makes perfect sense, but original songs is so infuriating. And I'm worried that anyone that I've let use my music in their projects will get hit with it too.

[@hh5200]

Thanks for sharing. I will not be using youtube for any of my music.

[@stevensunn]

Question...Are you tagging your music with ISRC codes? Cheers!

[@JohnOverturf]

I'm hopeful SME will release it without issue. I had something similar happen with a CD Baby release (different key, different tempo, different time signature, but similar melodic contour) and that was released no problems.

[@TorpidScorpionMusic]

Absolutely Nuts! Great to hear that sony, unlike the other chancers, takes its obligations to not be a thief seriously,.

[@visionseeker7678]

Sorry to hear this. Hope this gets better for you

[@ToxygenRecAll]

Wow I remember when epidemic sound appeared some years ago I was planning to buy their subscription because they had really cool sound samples and tracks. Now I get it.

[@WoolfesGamingDen]

Just leaving a comment to support you and all other content creators who have to deal with the copyright bs. Good luck for the future

[@kylejones6984]

great channel, & great name sir i love sweetwater *new or returning to the groove but yeah, mike bell is my sweetwater guy hes super kool, calls me when i buy things :)

[@raginald7mars408]

THEY!!

[@iwatoHyena]

I have been in similar situations with content ID and usually the big labels don't reply and 30 days later it gets released but the issue as a small channel is the video will be placed into algorithm oblivion during this time which it would rarely come out of. It only gets more complicated on the visual end now that they also have an AI monitoring system "watching" videos to determine the content and AI is amazingly powerful but inaccurate a lot of the time when it comes to artistic interpretation. Either way before I go off on a rant of my own. I hope everything works out for you and posting videos like this, when you have a large audience, is a great way to make things happen in the social media world.

[@citizenphaid1880]

Seems we’re in a place now where because every variation of every chord and note used has likely been used in one song or other copyright claims are just gonna keep going as one song will sound like something which has been done in the past.

[@TWMTWM-eb1lw]

In some cases the record companies need to be sued for liable by musicians who have been defamed like this example.

[@xisotopex]

indeed, they need to be held to account just like everyone else....

[@orlandoguitarist]

I think you mean "libel."

[@MikhailMedvedev]

That happened to me once, several years ago. Similar situations when the claim song had absolutely nothing to do with my music. I won the claim then, but it seem that ID claim issues are getting crazy now. I wish there was a way to talk to YT for small creators like us, but I never ever heard of anyone being successful in that... YT is such a huge monster that has already smash a lot of creators for their own reasons never even giving them a chance to protect themselves... I feel so much vulnerable and hopeless actually

[@skydevaaben]

Your post provides a critical perspective on the limitations of current Copyright AI systems, particularly how they disproportionately affect content creators rather than large corporations. Posts like yours play a vital role in improving these systems by bringing attention to the real-world consequences of poorly trained algorithms. While user feedback is an important part of refining such systems, it shouldn’t be the sole mechanism for improvement. The responsibility for addressing these issues should rest with the companies deploying these technologies, not with individual users who bear the brunt of false claims. This situation underscores the need for more rigorous testing and oversight before implementation, ensuring that creators are protected rather than penalized by flawed systems. Your post helps highlight this imbalance, urging companies to take proactive measures to avoid shifting the burden onto creators.

[@noveltycrusade]

Don't let it get you down ❤

[@alexm.handro1313]

This is why I use a publisher for my music. It's hard for live but the only way to protect against IP theft

[@ChrisMHall]

Go get 'em Bill

[@sigsegv111]

don't cry and just wake up

[@VilhelmKruse]

Wow, this just makes me so sad 😭

[@Fabismind]

Holy shit bro, crazy