SOME A$$HOLE STOLE MY MUSIC

[@OlaEnglund]

EDIT: So I’ve reported the song on the Publishing site of Tencent soooo let’s see what happens next! It might get taken down but I’m not keeping my hopes up 🤷‍♂️ Thanks for the understanding guys, I just wanted to make you guys aware that this is some bullshit happening in the background that you might not necessary hear much about. It was NOT meant for you guys to go and buy my album lol. Just wanted to raise awareness :D

[@AlanCessa]

Hey Ola, if they're stealing the song from The Haunted maybe you can get the label to take a look at it and to take down that stuff which is obviously stolen music...

[@OlaEnglund]

I’ve already done this. Let’s see how it develops

[@ozzlayer]

Proof that you released first? Maybe that Timestamp could help.

[@Antonjlavey]

​@@OlaEnglundKZbin need to stop this Chinese group. They did this in the past trying to steal people's money and KZbin knows this but they let this happen same people also.

[@123lowp]

PewDiePie does not own "PewDiePie" in China.

[@ivybeard8337]

This is unfortunately pretty common from Tencent. They have even said in precious cases that ”copying is not stealing”. I have reported the songs on spotify and I suggest everyone does the same.

[@Fl4ppers]

I tried that myself, SEVERAL times, and Spotify said no rules have been broken. Its not music at this stage, its data harvesting. These big sites are massively part of the problem.

[@jorddewilde]

I checked and this is also on Tidal (music streaming service). I just made a report on Tidal as well. Hope this will get sorted out asap.

[@CJ_Wolesz]

I see the same music on Tidal - does anyone know how I can report it on there?

[@mehAudio]

@@Fl4ppersthat‘s probably why the Spotify CEO said publicly that music isn‘t worth anything, it‘s just content which takes no effort to create. Also, if you‘re a small creator, Spotify doesn‘t want to pay you anything at all. The don‘t care at all. Pretty dystopian company. Stay away, don‘t give them your money. Buy albums again. Streaming is killing artists.

[@Heartstrong_Productions]

@@mehAudio What really sucks in my scenario is that I just got to a point where I am building my own studio (purely as a side project hobby of mine) and this is what I'm seeing happening to a lot of artists now. Intellectual property seems to be the thing that China in particular loves to steal.

[@davedavem]

Even KZbin's language is skewed: "the copyright *owner* may not agree with your dispute". Why is KZbin calling them the owner? Bastards

[@LysisZero]

Because youtube and Google are being broke up over a monopoly so they are going to create absolute chaos while they still can.

[@ryanschindler923]

At that point, KZbin had no way to know Ola is the original copyright holder. Everything was through an automated system and i doubt an actual human had looked at anything yet, so they can only assume the person filing the copyright strike is the original owner of said material and continue with that until proven otherwise..

[@apr6337]

Because YT is a pos owned by Google who is another pos

[@grishyroy9271]

Nope, KZbin should fix their language. The copyright "claimant" vs "owner" should be the language used.

[@jeffreyhobbs8603]

Just one of the many things wrong KZbin does to people.

[@cflincoln]

This type of theft is only going to get worse. The music industry has officially consumed itself. Extremely discouraging Good luck man

[@PianoMan-hx3ev]

@@cflincoln Sounds like unhinged society in general.

[@WondrousMindTrick]

Just wait till AI music is even better. Things are going to get really weird.

[@Jeffrey400]

Great explanation of copyright claims on KZbin. Sick of all the creative property theft these days. It sucks you have to spend your time fighting this b*llsh*t!

[@Jeffrey400]

Just bought your Starzinger LP so F&%$ Tencent and their thieving "artist".

[@psiklops71]

Tencent has money to steal others Music .... they Are TICTOK

[@OlaEnglund]

Thanks for the support guys!

[@dom3827]

@@Jeffrey400 Glad the EU helds plattforms accountable for that since 2021.

[@TwstedTV]

@@OlaEnglund Contact (Krystle) Her channel is (Top Music Attorney) she owns her own law firm. She can solve this for you. She uploads lots of youtube videos about Music Industry law.

[@zer0dahero]

It's even worse than you think. Chinese and Indian copyright trolls are filing copyrights on public domain music, pictures, and films (videos) as well, and even stock material. How do I know? I got a copyright strike for a Ride of the Valkyries cover I made about 8 years ago, by some company in India. They know most people won't fight it.

[@JakobDam]

I have noticed this too. Especially on Facebook - but I guess KZbin is hit as well.

[@davidchavez81]

These platforms should be held accountable for facilitating criminal money laundering, and accomplice to theft.

[@grapesofhypocrisy9842]

Class action lawsuit

[@juansecar2]

Dude watch it, YT might ban ya! They banned my comment for bein harrassment and ofensive, ofcourse, to those they protect while stealing intelectual property... hehe omg.. surreal...

[@starwaterenergy]

I agree.

[@opiegonebad58]

Completely agree.

[@highrider9168]

the platforms steal from us themselves, theres videos documenting KZbin saying a video "cant be monetized" because it violates something, doesnt state what though, then KZbin monetizes the same video? like what? but thats a pyramid scheme. the guy at the top has the least amount of hoops to jump through, makes the most and has the most say so. it gets more restricted and difficult the lower you go on the pyramid. its not just a class action, its probably a RICO case.

[@miracleofsound]

This sucks, Ola. I also had this happen last year to around 60 of my songs.... ended up having to go through the distributor who let it happen to get it fixed. Incredibly frustrating.

[@accountname-tu2om]

You got the theft of your music resolved eventually?

[@xenogroth]

It happened to me too. I had about 40 songs on my channel and a few thousand subscribers, i was also on Spotify. But i would say 30% of the times i got this copyright claim shit and i got so tired of dispute it that i ended up removing my entire channel. After all, i make music for me and nobody else. Keep up your good work! Greetings from Sweden.

[@warhoofd74]

@@xenogroth same boat my friend and im happy I did so, this is so frustrating

[@PatrikČerný-n3u]

@xenogroth ,@@warhoofd74 I haven´t even started posting my songs I´m core to the heart proud of and this is already bugging my mind af. Good for You guys , to keep that good spirit and energy on the right scale. Sending Love from Czech Republic !

[@LouieTM]

"It seems that the expression 'copyright infringement' doesn't translate terribly well into Mandarin." Jeremy Clarkson

[@Ottophil]

They figured out the best way to attack capitalism. Make everything worthless

[@JohnSpo]

can you tell me the time on your fake Omega then go across the street and get me a cup of fake Starbucks?

[@TheCoronaMortis]

a man of culture i see

[@929exrt3]

@@JohnSpo on your fake iPhone

[@Len_M.]

Look up “Top Music Attorney” she has a vid of what scammers are doing. They can even publish songs.

[@Ka.--]

A few years ago a French KZbinr I follow made a video about these abusive claims, and this one seems to follow the same pattern so I'll try to explain what happened : Basically, this Wybie guy uploaded Ola's songs to a music distribution platform in an attempt to steal his ad revenue. This particular platform belongs to Tencent, and from what I could find is called "Tencent Musician" and is basically a Chinese Distrokid. It's in Chinese only and targets the Chinese domestic market. The purpose of these kind of platforms is to easily upload music on several music services (such as Spotify) but also to monitor and prevent copyright infringement of said music online. That's why, as soon as you upload a song, it's added to KZbin's Content ID bot to check if it's been used in videos. So because Tencent Musician had the stolen song in its catalog it automatically sent a copyright claim on Ola's videos through Content ID. Obviously, uploading third party copyrighted material to distributions platforms is against their terms of use (yes, even Tencent's terms of use). So usually they use similar bots to KZbin's Content ID to prevent songs belonging to someone else to be uploaded. However Tencent's one is probably less advanced than KZbin's and I think that's why it was tricked by the change in pitch while KZbin wasn't. To be clear : it's not Tencent as a company claiming Ola's song as their own, but Tencent Musician as a distributor claiming a song they believe belongs to their user. All that happening because this user is making an abusive use of the platform. So suing Tencent (as recommended by some comments) might not be the best idea. Instead I'd rather try to get in touch with Tencent Musician's support, try to talk to a human (because at this point there was mostly bots involved) make them aware that someone is abusing their platform by publishing stolen songs to steal ad revenue and hope they act in good faith. It's not a given, but I do believe they would have to act on such cases to avoid being considered as complicit of these practices and potentially losing their ability to publish on western music services. (I should precise that I'm not saying that Tencent is a great company, it's a rather awful one, but in that case it's more a matter of someone exploiting a well known loophole of KZbin's content ID and a weakness in that distribution platform rather than a big masterplan from an evil company)

[@GuglePluss]

Sincere thanks for this explanation!

[@LocalAlpha]

great explanation, thank you

[@ChrrZ]

thanks for the explanation!

[@bpabustan]

@@Ka.-- great explanation. However, do humans in this company speak English at all? I have experienced corresponding to companies in China who will not reply to you in English.

[@v-o-s-VeryOwnSecurity]

public service tier comment hehehehe Thanks

[@BikeTravelerX]

Totally get you. Back in 2009 a TV Celebrity (Jade Goodie) died on Cancer and i was Filming Professionally on her Funeral and Published this on KZbin. 5 Hours later a well known TV Station from England used my footage on TV with their Copyright place all over the Video. I went to a local Court and sued them. But they agreed to a one time payment of 10k if i wave the pending process. They paid but never appologized.

[@WeWillAlwaysHaveVALIS]

Lol that's one of the most early/mid 00's UK stories I have ever read.

[@DevJMD]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was The Sun or Daily Mail.

[@BikeTravelerX]

@@DevJMD it was a TV station not a newspaper

[@creluxa]

How much chould you have potentially gotten, if you turned their offer down? It was a really crappy move of them, and they obviously did it on purpous.

[@BikeTravelerX]

@creluxa its not about the money, its about principles. you dont take other peoples work and publish it as your own. simple put.

[@johnguy8508]

Imagine having balls so big that you knowingly steal someone else's music, upload it as your own, then copyright strike the original artist...blows my mind

[@Juhaliza]

What you are describing is the absolute lack of balls. It's basically an anonymous account, making claims in a country where there's no consequences for doing such a thing. Therefore, the lack of balls is total.

[@jewblin5305]

@@johnguy8508 chinx

[@Fl4ppers]

Happened to a small youtuber I know of (GotGearMate). Took his music, then reported him as a scammer until his old channel got locked down. At least Ola has the weight of us lot behind him. Small creators, reviewers and artists do not and are at the mercy of the wolves.

[@JMCV2]

That's a bot that did it, balls of steel (steal) !

[@bart413]

No balls there

[@jdperdomo]

Not only they steal the music, but they claim it's theirs and want to cut the real artist out of the equation. This is just going to get worse, and artists depend on the good will of another corporation (KZbin or Spotify) to get things right. Thing is, they also profit from this. It's an exploit, and all of them benefit from it. Everybody, except the artist.

[@macdietz]

What did you just add here..? We know what stealing is, and we know that people stealing benefit from it...

[@jdperdomo]

@@macdietz It's everything ok at home? Need any help? Want me to call somebody?

[@WildWildWeasel]

​@@macdietzshut up bot. get out.

[@MFKR696]

If anyone's depending on the good will of a corporation, they're truly fucked to begin with. They don't have any good will. Their *literal* only purpose in life is to increase the value of their shares, and that can only be done by separating you from your money. That's their only mandate. If the service is "free", *you're* the product.

[@WildWildWeasel]

@@MFKR696 off topic, is your username a reference to that old slipknot album?

[@AlexBallMusic]

This has happened to me about 5 times. I've managed to get the copyright claims (of my own music) removed on KZbin, but then have to contact the distributors of my stolen and renamed songs and get them taken down from streaming platforms and stores. I guess this might even be an automated process where music is just being pulled, renamed and uploaded. If, before it gets noticed, they can steal small amounts from thousands or tens of thousands of artists then it adds up. It's highly unlikely that any of the artists are going to chase a few dollars that is now halfway around the world and I guess that's why it continues to happen.

[@accountname-tu2om]

You're right, it is likely automated by software, farming revenue from streaming platforms.

[@BecomeTheKnight]

This blows so incredibly hard, man. Has me worried that it could happen to me to without even realizing it. Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. Best of luck in getting the frauds taken down!

[@tertiaryobjective]

My very first original song upload got an immediate claim from one of those catchall licensing groups. I sent such an angry email.

[@joefh1985]

Crowd fund lawsuit please. Vengeance must be had.

[@vorpalblades]

Against a Chinese company? Hysterical.

[@joefh1985]

@@vorpalblades it is when you say it out loud.

[@ovivan79]

He doesn't need to convince a Chinese company to take the music down. He needs to claim his royalties. Have them play it as much as they want as long as the revenue goes to Ola.

[@SirPraiseSun]

@@ovivan79 revenue AND credit. aka just remove the dam thing

[@SirPraiseSun]

@@vorpalblades yes the company posting it is responsible dont be a fool.

[@atenville]

Absolutely disgusting. Big publishers have to be held accountable for that. Something in big numbers. Like $1 mln for every false copyright claim.

[@arziva1615]

excatly there should be big punishment for doing " false " copyright claim so this shit ain't happening

[@MyAmplifiedLifeYT]

Dude! I feel your pain and outrage here. I had a company in Vietnam claim copyright infringement on my channel. They filed about 10 in one day and YT shut my channel down. I appealed, and proved the content was owned by me. I even had a lawyer on retainer, ready to go to court and kick this company's ass, but YT would not restore my channel. I am now starting all over with this new channel. YT really needs to get the collective shit together.

[@MaximusAdonicus]

Whaaa? How could u lose?!

[@pabcrane]

Wow, that's really bad Ron. Have you made a video or written about it in more detail?

[@Snarkapotamus]

How did you "prove" it? Unless you've gone through the hassle of registering it with the copyright office, it's a tough fight to win..

[@MyAmplifiedLifeYT]

@@Snarkapotamus It was an audio recording of a speech from 1962. It made me over $30K just in add revenue. I copyrighted it in 2005, had all of the documentation to prove it, but YT didn't want to be bothered and shut me down. Here's a kicker. I had proven my ownership many times over the years before they shut me down which allowed me to remove it if someone else uploaded it. I contacted YT on X as well. Their advice was to submit my forms again about my legal position. They said I would have to get the company in Vietnam to withdraw the copyright infringement. I wrote to them at least a dozen times with proof of my ownership but they never returned a single communication. YT then said the decision to ban my channel was permanent. That speech is now ALL over social media and I don't make a fucking dime!

[@Snarkapotamus]

@@MyAmplifiedLifeYT - That really sucks! I'd fire off letters to the FCC, FTC and my local congressman and senators. I learned a long time ago that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And because the company involved was from Vietnam, there might be a State Dept angle to it as well...

[@Straightedge63]

Dude, I had something similar happen to my band. Tiktok took down my entire band page for using our own music in our music videos.

[@8Junio76]

Your music in Tiktok? Seriously? 😂

[@Straightedge63]

@8Junio76 yes. I'm not sure why this is funny.

[@a.erenfiliz]

@@8Junio76 Can you elaborate? I am considering getting into that platform just in order to promote my music. Why not?

[@TheGazza83]

The Chinese give zero fucks about copyright, or patents.

[@puzzleheadedfox]

@@Straightedge63 I haven't heard of tiktok taking things down due to copyright, they usually fight having to take responsibility. I think that's all the emoji is about.

[@SteveNotRichard]

Filing fraudulent claims should have ramifications for Tencent....like KZbin should treat their claims as de-facto dubious, and NOT withhold revenues automatically.

[@LSGaming42066]

they should make them pay 10x the amount of ad money they got

[@LarixusSnydes]

@@LSGaming42066 Better still, after paying the original author, cease and desist and ban them from YT completely by *law*, not through a violation of the KZbin rules. Otherwise these corpos won't learn. KZbin is also subject to the law. I.e.: any content from Tencent will be banned.

[@ag6475]

yes okay, but who bring more money to youtube table, Ola or this company? it's obvious that youtube was making lot of money even 5\8 years ago,but they have to be greedy at biblical levels, but such is capitalism, the day that we leave this ancient way of thinking behind would be always too late

[@saintluciaofficial2019]

That is absolute BS how this can happen. This is why I halfway hate the digital age we're in for music.

[@veiga7658]

yeah, youtubers suk

[@billy6427]

I remember the start of the AI Art craze and Non- Artist were talking like They were the same as traditional Artist . Crazy

[@AutismRocksOfficial]

We’ve had false claims on our channel too. There is no punishment or repercussions to the people that do it so they do it over and over again.

[@MrOnyxen]

That is the problem. The only one who risks being punished is the one who is accused. If those who falsely accuse others are punished, this would never have happened. But now this is a business and KZbin either doesn't care or they are profiting from this too!

[@offcore]

I can relate. I am a self employed artist and someone (a former "friend") copied my Instagram and claimed all my work was theirs. Some people are morally corrupt, but we carry on regardless

[@kelvindam3306]

If this escalates, lets do a fundraising for your lawyer? Im all in!

[@georgekatz4023]

I'm up for that fundraiser too! We cannot allow this to happen to real music and authentic musicians!

[@petropolis87]

Absolutely

[@mikeyoung6351]

He can more than afford a lawyer.

[@peachmelba1000]

Bro, do you not see the level of wealth Ola has? He can afford his own representation. And I would say he probably has lawyers on retainer anyway.

[@stofosaurus]

Ola doesn't need fundraising. He doesn't live in the USA. Lawyers don't cost an arm and a leg here. Besides, his dad is a freakin' lawyer even.

[@groovelife415]

Unfortunately, this happens to smaller streamers all time. The only difference is KZbin gives us no options. They tell us to bend over and take up the ass. My other main account has dealt with it, and a friend's channel was actually shut down because the Chinese thieves put enough strikes against him that it was done automatically. After many, many attempts to reach support KZbin basically told him "We don't know who you are, so fuck off." Thankfully you have enough pull and are willing to shed light on this.

[@Sylkis89]

Should have gone to a lawyer to sue, also KZbin for being complicit. Or at least threaten them with legal papers so they maybe woke up

[@isolatedmortalityband5718]

Well, everyone wants to remain here, so...

[@leokimvideo]

Welcome to how it works today, people are stealing my videos all the time. KZbin in my books enjoys this going on. The thieves often copyright strike the original artists. It's a game, they are playing and gaming the system. Just be comfortable your certainly not alone getting shafted by thieves online. If someone isn't stealing your music THEN you should be really worried.

[@ZackSeifMusic]

Not only is this happening to original music, but there are Chinese companies also claiming that they own royalty free stock music from specific music libraries as well. In my earlier KZbin videos I used a lot of that as background music, and I used to get claims every month from someone who used it in another song of theirs and claimed that it was theirs. I won every single dispute that I made, but it's such a waste of time. People suck these days, AI is making a lot of things in music worse because of how easily it can claim something as its own and then release it.

[@n1troni]

Similar thing happened to me with my techno songs. Constantly got copyright infringement and everytime i fought it i won. Because at the end its my song

[@Tramaineguitar]

Thanks for this, Ola. Also, huge thanks to Rabea Masaad. He checked out this ‘guys’ music and noticed he’d ripped something from my channel also and brought it to my attention. I had the exact same copyright claim some time ago, disputed it and had it rejected. I took it on the chin because the backing track was from JTC so I assumed that maybe they had someone else right the track. It didn’t even occur to me to do a deeper dive outside of KZbin so thanks for finally finding the source. The cheek of people who think it’s cool to do this is incredible. Makes me think how many other times this has happened to other JTC artists. Anyway, thanks again, Ola!

[@juser-abuser]

Ola: Noooo you cant take my music it's illegal REEEE Wybei: Hehe hold my bat soup

[@maeguk1]

We had the same struggle some months ago. We issued an album on the 19th of April this year. Somehow 2 days after it was already on youtube under a south american dude's account. (we are from Finland). We got a claim for the single videos that we had on our channel that they will be demonetized because blabla. It took me several mails and rounds to prove that we are the actual f'in owners. Then the best was that after we won the case, I observed there was a typo in the video, so had to reupload it. And then it got claimed again! "because the owner did not allow other iterations to be uploaded." But we are the fuckin owners... KZbin...

[@resington]

This is awful that they can rob it unquestioned and that's pretty much it. System is totally broken.

[@JonnyCrist999]

i see you in the comments lol cheers mate

[@resington]

@@JonnyCrist999 hey man! Crazy stuff here.

[@h2oproductions897]

File a lawsuit . You have your stems, your project on your DAW, your metadata that can prove that you wrote the music and the exact date you produced it. No worries, you have enough proof to engage into a fight with tencent and claim a lot of money from damage to your reputation and theft, plus some interests. This will teach them a valuable lesson. Napster Trial 2.0 , minus the hate that ensued from the first one ! Good luck.

[@AUTofPIE]

Nah man, unless there is a group of lawsuit against tencent nothing will happen. They are stationed in china and as Ola said, they don't give a fuck about copyright. It will just be a long drawn out battle to see who has more money.

[@stevewoodyt]

“This will teach them a valuable lesson” lol. Enjoy your naivety it is a precious and finite resource.

[@RunTheFlowers]

You are incredibly, incredibly naive if you think a Chinese megacorp would even bother responding to any lawsuit from an individual. Evidence doesn't mean anything when the other party is untouchable.

[@RaulEdu33]

Good luck trying to win a copyright lawsuit in China. 😅😂 They get away with almost everything, making knockoffs of western products, cars and even Starbucks. No chance for a ytuber musician.

[@gandalfilgrigio97]

how much would that even cost? how long would it take to see any money (if he ever would) ? it's just pointless. the problem here is youtube

[@sylvaindion8419]

Shit, this is criminal... So sorry Ola, keep up the good work, we all need this info to circulate...

[@Gravyandtatoes]

People are becoming way too brazen with their copyright infringement these days. So frustrating. Glad you got it sorted.

[@prodmsmash]

Hope you get this solved my guy and I wish for the best possible outcome!

[@mikekelly1771]

I feel your pain. A well known youtuber stole my song off soundcloud and uses it as his theme song on every video. No credit. No thanks. Just straight up stole it.

[@daydreamingofpersephone]

Same exact thing happened to me 10 months ago, someone stole my music and "licensed" it as their own through a distributor to get it on streaming platforms and YT - then claiming the revenue from my video as their own.. Very frustrating, but luckily the YT team was helpful and I was able to resolve it by proving ownership, and then reaching out to the distributor the thief used and get their stuff taken down. Some people are just awful man, damn. I really hope you get this resolved soon. Best of luck

[@thebunnisher109]

This exact problem started in the US with the America Invents Act of 2012 for hard intellectual property such as patents because it reduced the legal standard from "first to reduce to practice" to "first to file". Thus people and particularly large companies like Google are incentivized to file ambiguous provisional patents and then stick lawyers on you once you actually create something and steal how you did it.

[@thefenian32]

We are getting to the point where Global Publishing rights are going to have to be developed to counter these music pirates. Good luck, Ola.

[@juliocaro7777]

Gross, dude

[@firebellyK]

This type of stuff is so frustrating. I am an author with several books published on Amazon. I have had people take one of my books verbatim, even my original pictures, change the cover, put their name on it and publish it. Amazon took it down after I complained, but I don’t know how it passed their publishing review in the first place.

[@joshuafrederick_]

I was about to comment how 5:30 was basically just a recording of Spiro's song but not even a minute later Ola found a recording of his other song. It's crazy how far some people are willing to go to do these things man

[@Oilid]

Once, I got demon(itised) and I analyzed the claim, it was during me tuning my guitar!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF! Imagine you have the rights of the "music" of a guitar being tuned...

[@mrbobmetalhead69]

Damn i thought smoke on water copyright claim is the worst i ever seen , cuz it sound completely different from original

[@garrettmancuso4417]

Everything we create gets stollen. I'm a hobby guitarist, but I 3d model and create 3d printed products and art. It takes two weeks from the time I list an item on etsy for it to be reproduced and show up on amazon for 1/3 the price. I designed a part for my sim racing settup, and listed the 3d model for free on a forum. Now my design is being sold all over the internet... I feel you man.

[@ParanormalArson]

If one of those is a song you wrote for The Haunted, I'd get a hold of Century Media's legal team ASAP. Might not help if they stole any of your solo stuff, but any help fighting a giant corp like Tencent is definitely needed.

[@jwylde7]

Sorry to hear this happened to you. Thankfully you have the resources to go after them and get your music back to you. It's scary and sad what these people are doing stealing riffs and/or uploading generic AI music under an already popular band name and collecting money to fund whatever nefarious lifestyle they live. As an artist who is just releasing music and have no grandeur of making it i worry that whatever I do release will get stolen and my fight will be much harder to get it back. I really hate this because it's nice that musicians can release music easily these days but man there are just some terrible people out there who wanna ruin it for everyone.

[@polynomial9600]

Thank you for sharing this Ola. I really had no idea that people would flagrantly steal music and publish it as their own. Very scary.

[@janneranta7373]

Estepario Siberiano had something similar happen to his band The Cost. Someone had taken their songs and uploaded them onto Spotify, claiming ownership of said songs.

[@SortaDopeIGuess]

Why would KZbin or Spotify honor or take anything but a grain of salt from any large Chinese company that steals and infringes?

[@arziva1615]

because chinese companies runs them both... it's really simple those how got enough money in this world, can do what ever the F** they want without consequenses, if you is ever held accountable for anything, then you know you don't got enough money...and someone got more

[@callmesleeper]

This has unfortunally happened to me too.. Although, I release via a label that has a KZbin focused team protecting the music. And they've stepped in when people tried to steal my most popular songs (and It will probably keep happening for a while) The common thread in this is the "MERLIN" distributor. These artists steal from what they consider as "obscure" enough artists so they can get away with it for a while. They create new artist profiles and keep the fraudulence going. (rinse and repeat) "MERLIN" needs to step up their validation process... (their KZbin Content ID detection is getting abused and is sabotaging for the honest artists and creators)

[@cherokeemetal]

someone from China stole an Idea and copied it badly?!? wow....I never heard of that happening. 🤔

[@InfectiousGroovePodcast]

Here because I saw Bumblefoot share this video. This sucks so much for legitimate artists. I feel like artists are fighting enough of an uphill battle with the way the music industry works before having to worry about lazy people working the system with stolen content they didn't even create!

[@Grodstark]

If it's any comfort to you I'll share my story. I won a copyright claim made by Sony music entertainment on my A-ha Take on me metal remix/cover I made with a friend a few years back. They thought it was too close to the original and tried to claim 5 seconds of it, which I'm actually flattered with. They tried to claim the video, but me, a guy from a small suburb outside of Stockholm Sweden, with 50 subscribers, actually won that claim. They basically removed the claim later. I'll take everyone down with me to hell if I have to, even Sony. The chinese however, is another beast since they dont really care about anything or anyone outside their world.

[@andygillion]

I've had a similar thing a few times with people uploading my music on BandCamp, passing it off as their own, often with them laying down an absolutely dreadful lead guitar line over the top of the entire song in an attempt to make it different "enough" to be their property lmao. It's enraging - I feel your pain dude. My videos are also being muted by Tiktok for "copyright infringement" when I try to promote my new album, despite being the official artist profile associated with the music :D It's a crazy time to be a musician!

[@drgetwrekt869]

the problem is that "some" countries are treated by the West as peers, while they are clearly not. But thats tolerance & modern "values" folks! obviously who makes money from this still makes money, so they dont give 2 FUCKS about dignity or justice.

[@marcoalexanderwinthermikke9132]

This is why i fear releasing my own music. Im not sure how to handle it, if someone would steal my music/songs. Im sorry you had to go through this, Ola. 😕

[@pablom8854]

I guess a good strategy would be to upload the song in private mode to youtube or souncloud and wait an entire year before releasing it so you have an entire year of proof of ownership.

[@TheSason666]

Who is gonna really care about new music nowadays???!!!

[@reel_mixer]

@@pablom8854 Really good idea. I have to remember this.

[@scrinbot]

@@pablom8854 Doesn´t matter. In Ola´s case it was music from 2021. :D And don´t forget that AI will copy everything in the future. We will own nothing at all. And the other side of the world don´t care what is yours or what is not. You can pitch it up or slow it down and than it´s your own idea. problem solved. Everyone is copy music for centuries. Games and movie ideas as well. Even Harry Potter is just a copy of star wars in his roots. There is no way that you can create a song that not already exists. A copy of a copy of a copy. Remember Led Zeppelin and Elvis? they steal ideas from black artists. some songs were copies 1to1 - I was shocked... Beatles as well. They stole so many songs it´s not even funny anymore.

[@arziva1615]

@@scrinbot Harry Potter is a copy of Star Wars.... well if that is the case I think it's fair 😂 if all copies was just this original then ahha

[@stevenabernethy1133]

Full on support from Washington state 🫡👽 Awarenss of the leeches is great. Chug life 👊

[@thomasalderman2399]

This is the future. Unfortunately. Big name record companies are battling the same shit with this great wonderful A.I.shit that has been developed.

[@falconer7447]

Fking TENCENT???? Thats fucked up....

[@pitchatan]

Tencent has has it's own division for music called TME which in turn offers a service to distribute songs/content on spotify,itunes etc... it's essentially a giant conglomerate version of distrokid.. thus why it shows up as "tencent" as their claim is coming VIA tencent.

[@gergoretvari6373]

not only they own shitty games like League Of Legends but they also have scummy music groups too

[@sandwich4916]

@@gergoretvari6373 not defending anything but league was shitty long before tencent bought most of riot

[@KaseyKaos]

I had the same happen to me over on Twitch - uploaded a gameplay video with my own backing tracks - two days later I get a copyright strike from twitch claiming I used someone elses track. I did some investigating and found that some dude in the UK sampled MY music to create a track and then tried to pass it off as their own. I emailed twitch with original files from 7/8 years ago when I first recorded said piece and pointteed out that the claimants track was actually NEWER than my video. It got sorted out and I ended up winning that one but it was a massive pain in the ass to have to deal with.

[@georgekatz4023]

Take them down Ola! Sue their ass off and get back millions to invest in your amazing music and guitar company!!! We stand with you!🤘💪😎

[@Fl4ppers]

As much as I'd love to see the little guy take on Goliath, Goliath has lawyers coming out of their ears, mouth and anus. He would need our support to do this or it could bankrupt him.

[@pieflies]

They’re also from a jurisdiction that doesn’t care about our laws to begin with.

[@Fl4ppers]

@@pieflies In reality the Western Governments should be protecting their people and businesses by cutting off certain connections with these countries. They need to be sanctioned.

[@TheSason666]

Just be popular in your Sweden and that's good enough.

[@DennyBahana]

What a disgusting behavior. I hope you can go through this dude.

[@arziva1615]

I hardly think it's " one " dude " It's probably a organisation or something, making multiple accounts and taking advantage

[@siegfriedkharan]

The 1st song on their album is actually called Leave Found A Moment made by Ample sound to promote one of their guitar vst called Ample Metal Hellraiser. That's why it sounds digitally produced. This people are ripping off artists like it's nothing...

[@JohnWiku]

No one should be allowed to upload and CLAIM ownership of ANY music if the platform doesn't CONFIRM and APPROVE OWNERSHIP. It's bloody insane that the online streaming platforms have been allowing this kind of behavior in the first place. They need to be hit with CLASS ACTION lawsuits from all the artists, and they should go bankrupt if they don't FIX this SHIT

[@theKashConnoisseur]

If you made the platform responsible for verifying the ownership of every piece of content with music, they would just ban the uploading of musical content. Not only would it be waaaaay too much work and expense to make business sense, it would also make the platform legally liable for any breaches of copyright.

[@illuminati1911]

@@theKashConnoisseur The platform can handle the confirmation and final approval if the person/entity making the claim will provide all the evidence and handle all the related work. If this has not been done, then it definitely should be illegal for the platform to take any action. Also making a false claim should always lead to a massive fine and imprisonment.

[@GoBuyMulk]

Absolute disgusting behavior, and ofc its Tencent so it all makes sense.

[@Ravejet]

Cause Asian?

[@kanizan]

@@Ravejet yeah

[@MR-vg7yn]

Biggest problem with this: The tools KZbin provides are ridiculously unbalanced. Someone can make a claim on your video and can then just hold the money hostage until the video creator actually goes to court. This places a pretty gigantic burden on the video creator if he ever wants to see his money back, with basically no effort on the "claimant" side.

[@cajonesalt0191]

There was a video I saw years ago about why you should copyright all your content by creating copyrighted music that you own which is copyrighted through an external body to the platform, put it into every video, and the immediately making a copyright claim against that video once it's uploaded. That way, it's impossible for someone else to come through and file a claim against it according to KZbin's policies and you keep ownership. There's got to be a way to do the same thing with other platforms. Pre-emptively file copyright claims against yourself through your external party, like an LLC that owns the copyright on your behalf (and you own the LLC). It's insane the kind of bullshit loopholes you have to jump through, but do what the businesses do and wield the system against them.

[@iseeu-fp9po]

Could you please elaborate on what you meant by "an external body"? Like the agency in your country that takes care of puclishing rights like ASCAP in the USA?

[@cajonesalt0191]

@@iseeu-fp9po Well, I mean copyright agency that isn't KZbin. From what I'm to understand, KZbin provides its own sort of loose copyright for content creators, but the system for protecting is exactly as broken as we see here. Most content platforms do the same (or say they own it). I'm pretty sure that ASCAP is a licensing agency, and as part of that they help you with copyright (copyright and licensing are two different things). So you could use a third-party company that does copyrighting/licensing for you, or you could file straight to your government's copyright office and do the licensing yourself. I don't remember the exact method the video talked about, but basically the creator would pay someone on fiverr to make music for him with a contract that gave him full ownership of the music - all the copyright and licensing rights. He'd then use a third-party (something "boy"? I can't remember) to do the digital licensing and file the official copyright for him under ownership of an LLC he himself fully owned. He'd upload his videos with the music in the background, and then immediately file a copyright claim through his LLC for the audio. That way, it'd lock-down the video from frivolous copyright claims, and he'd also be able to fully prove his business (and thus, him) was the sole owner of the IP and any licensing rights. He was doing this to protect the content in the videos and not the music itself. I have got to imagine that musicians can do the exact same thing, but with their own music. Start an LLC (or equivalent where you live) and have the LLC own the music, then file pre-emptive copyright claims against your own content through the LLC.

[@josass2887]

@@cajonesalt0191 "(something "boy"?" - Distrokid?

[@DeadGlassEyes]

And it's just going to get worse. I'm a photographer and we run into the same problems as well, people stealing our shit.

[@wardozermusic]

So sorry to hear that bro. All of our band, we always watch your stuff and you are so talented and so awesome. When we fired our drummer, we went through a similar situation. He began to put copyright claims against our music online, against our website, Facebook Instagram, tick-tok….everything and we are going through a horrible time with our attorney, getting everything back online. In this world, there are people who have talent, and there are people who are envious. You either belong to one team or the other.

[@speekoftheozz]

As soon as I saw the name Tencent, I thought "Oh... I see what's happening."

[@theslideguy4228]

A lot of "songwriters" are taking existing real music and uploading into Suno. The AI will create a cover version of the uploaded audio and after a few attempts, something very close can be realized. If this is how people are going to be in the music biz, stealing music that was put together with hard work and pushing a few mouse clicks to say it's their own, I say fuck the music biz. Hang in there, Ola. Your music is incredible. Fight for it.

[@cerebrumexcrement]

this person didnt even use ai to slightly change it. they just cropped his music and tuned it up.

[@the-stig-nickname]

I used Suno alot to make video game music. The upload feature is meant to for your own song. I'm not a musician but its fun to write a melody and hear it with other instruments. Problem is, some people don't listen, Suno clearly mention to the user that you must upload your own song's only.

[@AlfredPotterGuitar]

Happened to me just last week. It is a constant battle. For jam track creators, it is even more frequent.

[@jeffreytraynhamii4460]

@@AlfredPotterGuitar love your stuff. Crazy that this is happening to a large number of creators

[@bigjermboktown6976]

But this is exactly why you hear people that are successful at anything in life they're always talking about their goddamn lawyer. My wife and I went and talked to this lawyer one day about some business s*** and that was honestly some of the best money I ever spent just with the advice he gave us and he did write up some papers for some s*** but he basically said you have to have a goddamn lawyer for just about everything especially in business.

[@jerrywu1829]

I am very sorry about this. Almost everyone in China who loves metal music now knows about this. We are very angry about this. I am also very sorry for you. We will strive to have him removed from our local music software. I hope you don't feel disappointed with Chinese metal music because of an incident. Most of us metal fans and metal musicians are very, very, very great. My English is not good, please forgive me.

[@0harris0]

you are amazing

[@tiagocrypto]

Things oonly got worse for small & independent artists, these compaines know we dont have the power, influence and money to fight them. So, they stole all the stuff with no consequences. Sometimes i think of givin up, this shit is not fair at all...

[@Thansferium]

You should make Wybie shirts!

[@mikewifak]

Assholes ruin everything. It’s my main reason for not doing anything anymore. Some asshole will just ruin it.

[@8Junio76]

oh that’s your excuse for doing nothing. Right.

[@brapamaldi]

im pretty much in the same boat. stopped doing anything creative that others enjoy if it doesnt at least pay for itself. i used to be a photographer until i realised that i dont even make enough to cover the cost of getting out to events or to do photoshoots, let alone pay for equipment that breaks etc. so why go through with it all for no benefit. if im going to be worthless i'll at least be worthless doing things i enjoy.

[@mikewifak]

@@8Junio76 You got a better one?

[@matturner6890]

@@8Junio76 hey, there's one!

[@coreycollins6703]

WTF?! Nobody likes a thief

[@HillcrestGames]

They are stealing EVERYTHING. The second I made a valuable IP, dozens of Ali Express stores popped up with plushies of the character. They are selling tens of thousands of them. It doesn't matter how niche and small your business is, the second it makes any money they will steal it.

[@LucidStew]

It's essentially guilt until innocence is proven and that's bullshit. We shouldn't have to deal with this. The companies have the resources to PROVE their copyright ownership, and so the impetus should be on them to PROVE their claim before action is taken. Individuals do NOT have the resources to DEFEND against giant corporations, so the onus should not be on us.

[@NoBeard-v8b]

That's normally how the law works. Except with art and intellectual property or anything online these days it seems ! Never understood why companies who make so much money from the people using them will automatically side with a claimant and force you, the copyright holder, to prove ownership. You're absolutely right. It's the wrong way round and an easy practice change for online content services to make IF they want to. The way this sort of thing works is like a thief saying 'I didn't steal from you unless you can prove what I stole was yours in the first place & provide receipts, so I own it'. Sure that defence would go down well in court ...

[@NickWebbSax]

This is really scary the way people are now forming for audio content to then claim against genuine artists. It's really going to hit small indie artists.

[@MykeOwns]

Happened to me last year too. Good thing my songs suck and don’t make money though so they wasted their time lol

[@watnoudan]

Try this one... I was playing in a band for 12 years and we had a few albums. Some thrash metal. It was alright. Anyway, i recorded/edited a live video and put it up on KZbin for promotional purpose on our own official band youtube account. I got a copyright claim and the clip was removed. I disputed this, saying hold on, i wrote the god damn song. It's our music... Somehow, through Spotify where the albums were uploaded, i got a strike from KZbin. I reuploaded the clip disputing it again. Guess what happened... Channel got banned, clip removed, and i lost the case disputing it again. Its a lost cause. But i felt robbed. So i get what you mean. It sucks.

[@spirorips]

Lol! My song ‘Python’ at 5:30 😂

[@silverwhip123]

You got a copyright claim from TENCENT? They are easy Top 10 biggest companies in China 😅. I guess that’s how they become so rich.

[@skald9]

They became at least top 3, absorbed many "western" companies over the years and then the CCP took over the business.

[@alexthorfinnart2937]

I feel this. Temu has been selling hoodies with my band's artwork on it... that I drew. So not only do I play in the band and cowrite the music, I draw the album covers. It's reeaally infuriating to see the number of sales in those shops with my design and I'm over here in USA struggling between paychecks.

[@Burnt_Gerbil]

Dude, that sucks. Sue the crap out of that guy.

[@spacewurm]

These Chinese are the worst when it comes to piracy and money grubbing.

[@Rewstah2317]

@@spacewurm that's an extremely racist thing to say

[@tomporat]

Very common problem. And in the second dispute part KZbin gives you a statement that in case you lose the claim you might also lose your KZbin channel which is extremely nerve wrecking. I wish there was a service build for small artist that would give us creators the option to identify who is stealing our music and creation.

[@elplatypus1584]

It's not easy for artists (especially metal artists) to make money from their music, but on top of that, you've got a**holes stealing it from us.

[@ZaoFuneralOfGod]

You are Swedish, you must have solutions for this.

[@TheMintyButler]

No more meatballs for a week :0

[@LawFirmVideoMarketing]

OMG! That's happened to me too. :( This is so awful and the last thing we all have left. THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS!!!! WE SUPPORT YOU .... UGGGGG the worst Karma that I've heard of in forever.

[@NoNotAChance]

I feel your pain Ola. Pretty much copyright infringement from China and a few other places is far too easily. Some dweeb steals a load of music from mostly self publishers, but also some independents, and they then publish those in China with chinese language names. Heck, some are even blatantly miming to music from famous artists and claiming publishing rights. The difficulty is not only the language, but dealing with a Chinese company. The big players can afford to have lawyers send out letters and they are usually successful, but the small guys mostly get ignored. Best of luck with this.

[@geroldwaefler9485]

I am Musician too, and i can understand you completely ! Its shocking how big Companies steal Music from a not rich Artist ! I am very much interested how this story will end, what will happen next.

[@75Krusty]

Some years ago I also experience the almost exact same thing. I just made a few WOW (World of Warcraft) gaming videos. And same Wybie-A$$hole made a claim to KZbin, that a tiny section of only like 2-3 second of sound of raindrops in the game (not some samples I added myself, but a part of the game) that it were claimed to be his "song"... WTF... What the Hell?!? Seemed like he or some Chinese company, where basically just trying piss me off. And hundreds of other KZbinrs, because they had to do this legal battle back and forth. And making a copyright dispute over Wypie's lame claim. Somebody should seriously bombard that company with tons of legal letters, that they need to shut that company down, because basic all their claims are just about annoying and scamming people from their own music and own videos.

[@gusmc01]

Is that like a JVC boombox in the background, with a cassette tape deck? Hell yeah.

[@67sdd]

This is ridiculous! Within the last month, the very same thing happened to my GF wit her clothing line website. She had a custom made site done four years ago. Suddenly it's shut down by some anonymous entity claiming it copied theirs. Same options given. Change it, prove her rights, or take it to court in another country.

[@dustinbonz2709]

I'm a musician also. And here's my understanding of copyright. You can record anybody else's music and put it out there. You could do the Beatles, you could record Master of Puppets. As long as you don't make any money off of it there's nothing they can do. That's all copyright protects now if he's actually publishing the music and claiming it's his own that's a different case that's fraud and actual theft I hope everything works out for you we all know how hard we all work as musicians to write and record music .I don't think people really understand the work that goes into it. Good luck to you. Hope everything works out for you.

[@SnowDrift-bh7wb]

Still I'd respectfully take it up with Tencent. In my experience, Chinese business people want to do business. And so they will understand the benefits of contracting you directly instead of the fraudster. Tencent is a global company, they won't ignore copyright claims.

[@jamesabber7891]

0:30 You expose a common misunderstanding about copyright. There is a difference between the copyright in the musical composition, the lyrics, and the mechanical rights. The mechanical rights is the copyright to the specific recording. The music label usually retains the mechanical rights, but not the rights to the composition or the lyrics. So if a label takes the income from a cover song (another independent recording) you did they are almost always abusing rights they do not have to unjustly enrich themself. Unfortunately both this kind of copyright abuse and the later more serious one you describe are becoming quite common. In particular it has unfortunately become common for copyright fraudsters to republish copyright music by smaller creators on other websites, backdating it so it looks like they created it and you copied it. This kind of fraud has become a multi million business, defrauding the many small creators the fraudsters know are too small to sue them.

[@satianuras2000]

You should have a lawsuit against KZbin and the company for stealing your music. Everyone knows that KZbin is run badly and they don’t care about content creators. Even Tarot Card readers on KZbin are complaining that other people are stealing their content just by raising or lowering the pitch of the voice and then uploading the video onto KZbin. I’ve always believed in giving credit where credit is due. Copying without giving credit to the original artist is stealing, and by law, you have a case, you also have your ears as proof. Some people don’t understand you need to have an ear and feel for music to do music which gets overlooked these days. I hate to get political in all this, but KZbin is purchased by the Democratic party, and they are corrupt. Anyway, take care of yourself and stay safe.

[@TheBudgetMusician-xs6ob]

Music going digital is good because you can share it world wide, but it's bad because anyone with a computer or a phone can easily copy it. I'm surprised Spotify doesn't ask for proof that you own songs you post

[@animatorFan74]

Hey this video appeared randomly on my suggestion page and glad I clicked. These guys obviously don't give a crap and steal whatever artists' stuff they like. Absolutely freakin disgusting! I get pissed off too, because it's happening more and more, as you say, and noone is safe from this crap. Hope you get a good win out of this and make sure these guys get taken down. Wybie can eat it.