Right-wingers Fighting to END No-Fault Divorce

Right-wingers are now pushing to eliminate no-fault divorce. Ana Kasparian discusses on The Young Turks. Help support our mission and get perks kzbin.info...
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"Some prominent conservative lawmakers and commentators are advocating for ending no-fault divorce, laws that exist in all 50 US states and allow a person to end a marriage without having to prove a spouse did something wrong, like commit adultery or domestic violence.
The socially conservative, and often religious, rightwing opponents of such divorce laws are arguing that the practice deprives people - mostly men - of due process and hurt families, and by extension, society. Republican lawmakers in Louisiana, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas have discussed eliminating or increasing restrictions on no-fault marriage laws."*
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240626__TA04_Conservative_Pundits

[@annalouisehorn]

When I was a child I was so relieved when my parents finally got divorced. The shouting stopped and household items stopped getting thrown. Let people divorce if they want to divorce.

[@carlosalejandre1000]

your mother could then seal half of your fathers money. do you not love your father, do you want him to end up on the street?

[@patricial.6758]

Why is it "stealing" half of the husband's money? Marriage is a contract combining finances. The property bought or created during the marriage should be split when the contract breaks. Don't like the current laws for this property splitting? Write your own contract. That is called a pre-nup or a post-nup. Both parties sign it creating the marital contract.

[@carlosalejandre1000]

@@patricial.6758 first of all if you were actually smart you'd know that prenups are rarely enforceable in court. and if a man buys property with money from his job and his wife is just a stay at home wife, how the fuck did she contribute to their finances, yet she would still be entitled to half of property and assets which she didn't put a single drop of work towards?

[@leannefranson1198]

​@@carlosalejandre1000how the fuck did she contribute to their finances? She does absolutely nothing, right? Not make his meals, organize his life, clean, shop, make sure he has clean clothes, nothing. Not supported him emotionally, or put in a good showing for his job, accompanying him... he just lives 100% as if he is single. Doing absolutely everything himself. I call utter bs.

[@carlosalejandre1000]

@@leannefranson1198 everything you mentioned he could have done for himself, when it comes to splitting money you factor in who made the money, not who cooked what and who took the trash out what day

[@kaybrown7733]

They're going to end marriage then cry about people not getting married. 😂

[@DeadPiixxel]

good, marriage is a bad deal for men

[@kaybrown7733]

@@DeadPiixxel I'd say it's worse for women. Trying to force people who hate each other to stay together is a terrible idea. The unaliving rate in those states will skyrocket.

[@brandonjade2146]

@@kaybrown7733 society worked like that with divorce for hundreds of years and families seemed healthier than now

[@mk.........]

@@brandonjade2146 Bad idea. If you take away the possibility for women to get divorced, you sign a death warrant for men. Or would you lie down next to someone who hates you, fears you and perhaps legally owns a gun? There are countless cases where women have killed their abusive husbands and got away with it.

[@kaybrown7733]

@brandonjade2146 Yeah, because who cares if a woman is forced into marriage and motherhood only to be used like a Tampax as long as you get that labor and incubator function out of her before she crokes, right? Nothing ever stays the same or goes backwards. The fact that you even want that shows your lack of understanding of reality.

[@isabellaolivo5749]

If you restrict divorce you'll have less marriages. Just a thought

[@rabbinick8989]

Those who marry to divorce will then think twice

[@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov]

We already have less marriages because of no-fault divorces.

[@God.Almighty]

maybe that's a good thing. marriage is so overrated.

[@larryc1616]

​@AlekseyMaksimovichPeshkov did you watch the video? Divorces dropped from 22% in the 80's to 14% in 2022

[@kylemendoza8860]

Marriage is probably going to go up. Women still want to get married. Men are hopping out of marriage. If they don't realize getting rid of no fault is better for the woman. They might get back into marriage.

[@PhantomQueenOne]

They just don't want women to be able to escape abusive marriages.

[@mattjames2728]

Correct. Because they can get the police to drag her back battered and bruised cause ...the law . MURICA . Worst place in the world, especially for woman and blacks . And black women ... forget about it.

[@brandonjade2146]

@@mattjames2728go leave then lol go see what the rest of the world has to offer, im sure youre uneducated ass will appreciate america more

[@deborahdean8867]

Let's hope no man gets stuck with a mental case thinking all men want to abuse women. Seek therapy. Go to de- brainwashing classes.

[@PhantomQueenOne]

My mother's parents were forced to stay together by the catholic church and the law. My grandfather beat the crap out of my grandmother and mother. I think he molested my mother as well. My grandma would have left he if she could, but he might have beat her to death if she did. However, the law said it was okay in those days.

[@MAOofDC]

In the case of Steven Crowder it is pretty clear that is why he wants an end to no fault divorce. There is video of him allegedly abusing his then pregnant wife. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZ-samZ6mMt7p7ssi=QGRMXdRjHFG2czS8

[@ThornQueenJunko]

My father was manipulative and physically abusive. He was also a law enforcement officer. My parents hated each other but didnt divorce because growing up in the 90s the BS about parents staying together for children was better than divorced. Guess what? It wasnt... My father knew that we liked our mother more so what did he do? Beat the shit out of us for any little reason. And my mother knew he was the more affluent so any divorce wouldnt work out for her. Now my father is dying alone, my mother told us she regretted staying with him our entire childhood when she saw what was happening to us. I couldnt imagine my mother being stuck with that man.

[@vmoses1979]

What is your point here? If your mother left your father - her economic situation may have meant that your childhood could've been much poorer. And poorer children get into more trouble with the law and have lesser economic outcomes. Every action has a cost. It's not all hunky dory on the other side. Ultimately no one has the right to physically abuse someone else but how you remedy that is not necessarily divorce.

[@larryc1616]

Very sorry to hear that. Hope yall are doing well now without the abuser. I'll bet he's a huge trumptard

[@kylemendoza8860]

She wouldn't have been stuck. That's what you call a fault.

[@rubypayne4965]

@@vmoses1979 Poorer but safe. Divorce needs to happen in every case of abuse, even more so when that abuse extends to the children. Actually, if the system worked he is the abuser, and the wife should have gotten a regular (not no fault) divorce, he should have no custody, full child support and alimony.

[@vmoses1979]

@@rubypayne4965 You understand that there are thousands of abused women who routinely go back to their abuser and decline divorce despite help offered to them. You seem to think that an abuser cannot have any redeeming qualities that a spouse may still love. It certainly isn't something I would put up with. But the glib assumptions about how other people should live their lives is troubling. Ultimately what needs to happen is abuse must be stopped - whether that is through divorce, counseling, jail time shouldn't be determined by random outsiders. Going back to the OP - clearly his mom thought it was 'worth it' not to leave and that is a choice neither you or I can make for someone else.

[@terasesnyder1626]

Most abusive men back this BS

[@crimsonstorm34]

If a man is abusing you, then you shouldn't want a no-fault divorce. You should have your justice in court.

[@2TrillSenna]

The most unlikable men dont like no-fault divorce.

[@coryluke12]

So your only response is a personal attack? That says far more about you than them.

[@markremy4946]

Explain, please.

[@crystalwalker4403]

Do they really want “No fault divorce” to end?!?! Go ahead and force women to bring receipts instead of letting their ex husband off with a little of reputation still in tact.

[@anuragchakraborty8766]

What about the cheating 304s? They get to walk away scot-free?

[@SanePerson1]

As one of six siblings whose parents did not have the no-fault divorce option, I can't say how much I loathe these assholes. My parents went through years of tearing each other apart in court, imbuing their children with resentment and bitterness - all greatly amplified by the adversarial legal model applied to divorce. And, of course, the lawyers ended up with all the assets.

[@williammcadoo8685]

Wanting to force the state to prevent your wife from leaving. Conservatives, I hope you know. That this will definitely discourage marriage altogether.

[@cennon]

Marriage is already discouraged because she can leave at any time and take half your stuff. There's women that plan the divorce before the wedding.

[@user-sc3or7ys9z]

If you’re a man and get married today, and not pretty wealthy, you’re just being fiscally irresponsible lol. WE already don’t wanna get married

[@LostRussianLove]

​@@cennon The problem can't be solved by forcing people to stay married. NOT every person is suitable for marriage. If you believe the opposite, then you don't have enough experience yet in life.

[@annetteeinker6756]

@@cennon Don't assume everyone has had the same experience as you. The laws surrounding child support and alimony are much more equitable now. But you should talk to the kids whose parents aren't getting along. Ever heard the expression "Better to come from a broken home than to live in one."

[@cennon]

@@LostRussianLove Great, so until they change the divorce laws, no man should get married. Men can't trust the courts to be fair.

[@floridamarinemom1749]

Do they really think that trying to force men and women to stay married will also force them to live together and continue the "family" structure that these idiots want?

[@davejohnson3773]

Sounds remarkably like a Muslim or Sikh marriage, doesn’t it.

[@floridamarinemom1749]

​@@davejohnson3773 I wouldn't know. It's none of my business how Muslim's or Sikh marriages are because I'm not Muslim or Sikh. I would thnk that the reasons they stay married are based on their religion and not because their gov. won't let them divorce. Eoither way they seem to accept that way of life and are willing participants. That's a bit different than being forced into it because Conservative men want another way to continue to control what women do and they want to be able to force their women to stay with them even when she realizes she married an ass.

[@MartinOlminkhof]

​@@davejohnson3773 yes, this sounds like Sharia Law

[@christianjames92]

@@MartinOlminkhof The whole goal of the christian right is to turn the West into fundamentalist sharia.

[@Killersam776]

Gotta love that good ole conservative “freedom”

[@johnburkholder7138]

You gotta love the freedom party wanting to tell the rest of us which life decisions we can make on our own

[@backpacker3421]

Tell me you're a shitty husband without telling me...

[@terasesnyder1626]

When my niece and husband divorced, there child, 6 at the time, told his Grandma he was so happy ❤ he didn't have to hear his parents fight anymore. So there's that.

[@carlosalejandre1000]

yea he just had to watch his monther STEAL half of his fathers money. great thing to indoctrinate a child into

[@markbaker6553]

Because divorce isn't tough enough...

[@hollybardoe4075]

And marriage rates will continue to plunge if this happens.

[@coryluke12]

Sounds good to me.

[@NoPoliticalAffiliation]

I am going through a no fault divorce, I was not the one who initiated it, and I believe in never giving up on a marriage, however I rather my husband divorce me then kill me for making him stay with me.

[@Breangel]

It happens way too often for comfort now WITH no fault divorce

[@emmajones8590]

You could end up with a marriage like my grandparents. They lived in Ireland and were married in the 1920's. No divorce possible. They couldn't stand each other. Each was perfectly fine as a person on his/her own, but together they fought constantly. My grandfather lost his temper one day and hit my grandmother in the eye one time and blinded her in that eye. He wasn't normally violent, at all. They broke up a while later. They lived apart until his death. Neither ever spoke to the other or even spoke of the other, not even to gossip or complain. It was a chilly, deadly silence. My grandmother was lucky as she had a good job and could support herself and her 2 children. Other wives weren't so lucky and were forced to stay.

[@SOPARA862k]

Imagine being so weak and pathetic that you need the government to step in to stop your wife from leaving you.

[@Trundle_fkr]

Imagen dedicating your life. To someone. To take care of them, keep a roof over their head and food thin the pantry. Just to have her leave because she woke up just feeling like she shouldn't be married anymore. And then have the government say we'll you took care of her all those years. Now you have to keep taking care of her potentially for the rest of your life in some states. Now needing to pay for her lifestyle and trying to keep a roof over your head too.

[@RTR_87]

@@Trundle_fkr Imagine thinking someone having free will is a bad thing 💀

[@davidhand9721]

Oh my God, why are they so obsessed with everyone else's relationships? What is wrong with these jokers?

[@larswillsen]

weak men with tiny wieners, all being puppets to the project-2025 machine.

[@paulaclark2101]

Because a strong foundation is rooted in the nuclear family

[@Slw1111]

​@paulaclark2101 A strong foundation is rooted in having supportive people in your life. It doesn't matter if those people are related to you.

[@davidhand9721]

@@paulaclark2101 Other people don't belong to you. Do you think they don't know about how great you think the nuclear family is? I think they know because you've all gone on and on about it for ages. If you can't persuade them to adopt your way of thinking with words in the marketplace of ideas, then *that is the end of your authority.* They don't need your help, so they don't need your permission. *Get over it.*

[@christianjames92]

@@paulaclark2101 It's none of their business what people do in their private lives or relationships.

[@AgitpropPsyop]

The main reason people separate is financial problems. Maybe if they want marriages to last they should improve the conditions of the people living in this country.

[@yomilala8929]

@@AgitpropPsyop For that that would mean communism 🤣

[@tabeathahall8246]

I got my divorce 20 years ago. It was the best thing I have ever done for me and my children. Even my kid's agree the divorce was best for all of us. One of the last arguments me and my ex-husband had was because I had bought the wrong kind of cereal. That led to a 4-Hour screaming match with my children crying in the bedroom, and the cereal thrown all over the living room. They got to listen to their father scream at me about how stupid I was,that I couldn't even buy the right kind of cereal. My kids will tell you after the divorce they had a great childhood. They tell me all the time what a great mom I am and how much they loved their life when it was just me and them. They are grown, they are successful, they have great relationships with their significant others. They are emotionally healthy and mentally healthy. And that is because I divorced their father.

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

Men don’t like divorce because they don’t like accepting they are wrong in some way.

[@jim2498]

Maybe you should not spend money like the government. Your husband was most likely the only one working. And you have no idea about money. Second not a one child raised by people like you have good mental health

[@yomilala8929]

@@tabeathahall8246 And if it was for conservatives you would still be in that abusive relationship.

[@sfl6307]

You wonder why women don’t want to get married now days.

[@yishnir]

Considering the 'Trad Wife' influencers keep revealing how they've been horrifically abused and treated like slaves...

[@antclerfont8478]

Men as well

[@larryc1616]

Never date or marry a trumptard

[@dennarddancer1960]

That's a lie. Women want to get married, but men don't want to marry THEM. Today's men have finally caught on to this marriage hustle women are engaging in. GO MGTOW...!!!!!!!!??

[@andrewmajanovic2904]

Make divorce illegal and kiss marriages good bye. Hell no one is getting married as it is,

[@jim2498]

Only people like you will never get married. But you bring nothing to a marriage anyways

[@JohnnyJPatt]

MARRIAGE requires a lot of work from both partners or it’s simply not going to last!! Period, full stop!! These people are insane. This is not the 1970’s anymore. Sometimes the union simply CANNOT continue!

[@davidhutchinson5233]

Misogynistic A Holes. Truth is if either partner wants to leave, they should be able to. This isn't 1950.

[@IsengardMordor]

They shouldnt be able to profit from said seperation though :)

[@ariz7493]

​@@IsengardMordorthat's the part they're choosing to ignore for whatever reason.

[@IsengardMordor]

@@ariz7493 the reason is that they want to be able to screw over men and profit from their misery. Otherwise they wouldnt defend it this strongly

[@Ferien7]

Lmao you clearly don’t understand the argument. Has nothing to do with freedom to leave. It’s about not having freedom to take your partner’s money and assets simply because you’re bored and want someone better

[@christianjames92]

@@IsengardMordor So the man, presuming the man even has the money, should give the IRS and the government all of the tax breaks and financial breaks he got from being married all of those years?

[@TheLivewire18]

I thought they weren’t for big government???

[@musakamara4157]

This is strange, considering how easy it is to get married i think it should be as easy to divorce. Its just a financial contract its not a magic blood contract.

[@thebigbadwulf1]

i viscerally recoiled when you described marriage as just a financial contract.

[@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn]

Marriage is not a contract. It's a institution that binds two consenting adults together until death. This is important because for one it creates stable families that in turn produce well adjusted children. But maybe just as importantly it takes men and women out of the market reducing the pressure on especially young men for finding a partner. Without marriage you have older more financially successful men taking all the women while young and less successful men are left alone and frustrated. This increases social instability and social decay in general.

[@rtjames]

​@@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn you're describing what you hope marriage produces? - There are lots of stable families where two people have decided to not get married. - There are lots of dysfunctional families with not so well adjusted children where two people are married. - Men and women out of market means you've never heard of cheating. - Older more financially successful old men taking all the women would mean there would be no less successful younger men who are with women. A walk down the street says you're wrong. What you've shared so far is a lot of your own paranoia and wacky view of the world.

[@rtjames]

​@@thebigbadwulf1 take that to the IRS etc. that gives incentives to married people but not unmarried people.

[@NotYourBusiness-bp2qn]

@@rtjames Here is a interesting fact for you. There is a 2 sigma correlation between violent events (wars, revolutions, social unrest) and the ratio between single men and single women. No they are not 1:1 when population declines. Men marry younger women and when the cohort of women is smaller than the cohort of men two years older society tends to become significantly more aggressive. This is not my wacky view of the world this has been extensively researched. Also the behavior of men has been shown to vary in aggressiveness significantly depending on how many women are present. The more women are around the less aggressive men get. Let me ask you this. Why do you think almost all civilizations across the world and across time have marriage vows strictly enforced by society? In fact why do you think marriage exists in the first place? Also I can't believe you want to argue the children part. The single most influential factor in determining whether a person ends up successful and well adjusted, more than financial status of the parents or IQ or education is whether or not the parents are married and live together. That statistic has been researched to death, it's ludicrous to argue otherwise.

[@mr_knowitall]

The government should stay out of marriage entirely. They should not even recognize it.

[@phantom197]

Fax

[@ky9616]

South Park: Dum Dum Dum Dum

[@Antares-Dragon]

I actually agree on this. The ceremony of marriage should be just that and they can restrict it, jump up and down and do their nonsense as they desire deny people or not. Superficial stuff. The legal contract should be devoid of marriage language and simply the legal part of marriage as a contract between two people. For access to medical, resources, will, passing of death and so on that is associated with marriage now.

[@mr_knowitall]

@@Antares-Dragon agreed. The government should acknowledge marriage as much as they acknowledge a baptism: it's a private or religious designation that is personal. As for contracts, those would then be applicable to ANY two (or more???) people willing to enter under such an agreement. Since it would no longer be romance-based, then any willing adults, friends, siblings, business partners, lovers, etc. could all partake and craft the contracts as they see fit and dissolve it as they see fit.

[@peacefulmind8991]

Don’t need to do that. Just make it so you can’t become rich by divorcing the other person who makes more than you. Separate finances, each keeps their own assets they bought with own money during marriage, etc. if children are involved, then each parent provides a certain percentage of their income in an account for the children to be used for expenses related specifically to the child. Not to buy yourself a new handbag or car, or pay for dates.

[@rmsavig2204]

WTF is wrong conservatives????

[@Theatregal14]

My aunt was physically and emotionally abused by her husband for years. She ran away the moment she realized he might actually kill her and my little cousin. She doesn’t want to put her daughter through the trauma of testifying against her own father, even though my cousin wants to. We are using no fault divorce because we are trying to get this settled quickly. Not good enough to him. He is getting half of everything (my aunt made 4x his salary) and is now demanding alimony, while my aunt isn’t even asking for child support. All my aunt wants is to be safe from him.

[@lwills8609]

If your cousin wants to testify, let her. The mom wants to end things quickly but sometimes that is not an option. Maybe she needs to ask for child support. Why make it easy for him? As long as they have a child together, she will never be safe from him.

[@Theatregal14]

@@lwills8609 My little cousin had to run away from her home and pets on her 13th birthday because she and my aunt believed he was going to kill them. I could go for hours about how insane he has become and how scared we all are of him. If they can settle out of court, my aunt will literally never have to see him or be in the same room as him. If we go to court, he will be free to intimate and scare us all, if not worse. We are just hoping he will return to the swamp he came from. My aunt and cousin don’t need the money, my aunt is a veteran with a good pension and has a family that will support her no matter what. He could take everything but as long as my aunt has full custody and a protective order, we will rebuild.

[@lwills8609]

@@Theatregal14 I get it. I am really not trying to be nosy, but, what about visitation? Is that not an option for him because of the protection order? I don't think he needs it but we never know what type of judge a person may get to oversee the divorce.

[@Theatregal14]

@@lwills8609 this is another reason we are hoping not to go to court because the judge may force my cousin to have visitation. There would also have to be multiple meetings with social workers and experts to see my cousins reaction to being around him. If we agree out of court we could prevent forced visitation. I don’t even think he would want to visit her. He has told my dad that my aunt has to take care of “it” because she was the one who wanted it. He wouldn’t even go to the fertility clinic with her to provide his sample. She had to drive with it under her arm to keep it warm. He also threw her down the stairs shortly after finding out she was pregnant. This was when she was 42 after 8 miscarriages and this was her last chance of having a child. Luckily she only suffered major bruises

[@h.g.wellington2500]

Not looking forward to the coming Christian fascist state....

[@zavdab5238]

Republicans need to be honest that they are pushing for federal sharia law

[@unknownn520]

@@h.g.wellington2500 Better than Soviet Russia - like state that you lefties are pushing for. You don't have to live in it. Choose your society.

[@doogandoggin2571]

End legal marriage for all, if you want to do some church union fine but make everyone equal under law and get rid of it.

[@jackalope5589]

I call bs on jd vance . If the parents are constantly fighting, verbally and unfortunately sometimes physically, the BEST thing the parents can do is separate. My parents stayed together “ for the sake of the children “ and I’m still working through that trauma at age 56 .🇺🇸✌️

[@cherrylattimore99]

and another woman dies at the hands of her 'supportive' husband and a republican man gets their wings

[@anuragchakraborty8766]

was she a cheater?

[@jennifercorcoran4635]

Marriage as prison, women as property, future defined by religious zealots

[@queenkny]

Exactly!! They complained about women not wanting to get married & they want to solidify that outcome for future women, this logic is crazy.

[@jim2498]

That not what is going on. By the way you 2 will never get married so you shouldn't have a opinion

[@oulibemusic1257]

@@jim2498 you are writing that same shite to everybody, dude.

[@johnst3296]

@@jim2498 if there's someone who is dying alone here it is definitely you 😂🤣

[@queenkny]

@@jim2498 Don't want to 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-ey2xp2ge9y]

We don't need to get married. Women be taking all the money when they leave.

[@mignalyortiz4589]

I agree with not getting married. But alimony is only awarded in about 10% of the cases.

[@user-ey2xp2ge9y]

@@mignalyortiz4589 alimony is continued pay. The wealth is almost always split up without a contract present.

[@williamjones7607]

The party of limited government is always pushing for more government in private parties' lives.

[@OmarOsman98]

You’re ignorant

[@shaymalchione809]

Do these men really want to force women to stay with them? There would be a lot of mysterious deaths of husbands lol!

[@larryc1616]

Can be the other way too

[@kylemendoza8860]

Ending no fault divorce is a better deal for a woman.

[@christianjames92]

Yes. They're fundamentalists. They believe the women are their property.

[@grahamjones5400]

Now even less people will get married, same with abortion, now people will have less kids. No families? What could possibly go wrong.😮

[@tonydudley8449]

Why do you think ‘they’ want to ban contraception for women?

[@timothymcconnell9343]

Ever wonder why the Ukr army has no men under 45? Answer, there aren't any. One consequence of hear me roar.

[@juniorgod321]

You don't need to abolish no fault divorce. Just abolish alimony is good enough:)

[@jonathanbonilla6886]

As a child custody consultant I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that a majority of couples want their pound of flesh. It’s their lawyers that caution them about being vengeful, and judges look on it disdainfully, otherwise courtrooms would look like the Jerry Springer show.

[@TravelLoverForLife]

Maybe they should look like the Jerry Springer show. Those who act dishonorably in marriage should be publicly shamed.

[@imtheonlykit]

These kind of guys were probably the real reason their parents divorced

[@nlangenfeld7891]

Forget domestic violence(just for a second, of course), having parents who have stopped loving each other and fight all the time can't be good for the children. Letting them get out and find a better partner has to be much better for the kids' well being.

[@JeromeBellon]

These people want marriage to be made according to their millenia-old religious concept. They're trying to avoid saying it outright because that wouldn't fly in the face of the first amendment, but this is obviously their idea.

[@slowbro1337]

Eyyyy, Ma! The Christian Nationalist at it again.

[@sarah2.017]

The highest divorce rate in the U.S. was actually in the late 1940s, when a large percentage of the hasty WWII marriages ended after the war when the soldiers came home and they realized they were incompatible. Most of those marriages were childless.

[@yomilala8929]

The point would remain though. Hasty marriages aren't a good idea

[@emmajones8590]

Happened with my grandparents. Though they did manage to make two children before the war started. Many women, like my grandmother, became very independent when the husband was away for long periods. The opportunities to work outside the home for women, were greater than ever before. My grandparents never officially divorced though. They lived apart and neither had a new relationship. Pretty lonely life. Though our grandad moved in with us in his later years. He and grandma never met any more, though they lived less than 10 miles apart. They never spoke to or of each other either.

[@christianjames92]

@@yomilala8929 Yeah but that's non e of anyones business who gets married and who gets divorced. Trying to pass legislation that gets into people's personal lives is an overstep by the government. For christian nationalists that are supposing this it will just make marriage rates plummet.

[@yomilala8929]

@@christianjames92 I agree my friend.

[@joshuajones1891]

Maybe do away with marriage as a legal structure in US law. If people want to do it privately for religious reasons, who cares.

[@andrina118]

Absent religion, marriage is merely a legal contract. Religion should be a private matter, period

[@zavdab5238]

That will unofficially ban gay marriage. Something conservatives argued for after gay marriage became federal, at no surprise.

[@spannito1893]

Broken household is worse than a divorce household

[@fcandfm3000]

Yeah these people's are acting like forcing people together will magically make kids happy.

[@GeorgeVaaeth-kc9wc]

Soooo, people who hate each other should have to stay together if they have kids ? That's gonna be great for kids.🤪 These are the people who say freedom is soooo important.😂

[@iamjro]

The thumbnail looks like the same guy, different stages of his life

[@annmarieknapp]

Marriage=legalized enslavement. Happily divorced and will NEVER remarry. Worst mistake of my life.

[@DeadPiixxel]

I'm glad you learned most people don't

[@Ryan-pz2wh]

Why did you get married to begin with if it’s enslavement? 🤣

[@Missdeeee]

Agree with Ana! Men coming across as super insecure trying to trap their women. What is happening to our people?

[@mr_knowitall]

Did you not see the woman complain about no fault divorce?

[@robertf976]

Don't get married people. Keep the government out of your life as much as you can

[@witta505]

As a happily child-free and now divorced woman for 7 years, I couldn't agree more. Women don't need to be married to be sane and happy...and neither do men.

[@solomongrundy1467]

Marriage is unnecessary. If a couple has children they do need to stay together. 2 parent households are better for their development into adulthood.

[@Jay_Frank]

@@solomongrundy1467 I half agree. Marriage is unnecessary yes, however the parents don't need to remain together. They both just need to be a part of raising the kid.(within reason of course. Fuck abusive parents.) Kids definitely need both a mother AND father figure.

[@zavdab5238]

This is the republican retaliation for gay marriage

[@TravelLoverForLife]

The problem is that many have states have "common law" marriage, where even if you never marry they can treat you as if you were married

[@lokimsjrrd3451]

Just stop the financial extortion that comes with divorce and keep no fault divorce.

[@chiidora]

What about the women of got married at 19 never worked have no skills spent 20 years raising kids and now at 48 husband divorces her to get a young hotter wife? How does she suddenly go from trad wife /homemaker to supporting herself? She needs support this is what alimony is for. The reason they get half the assets is because essentially when married his assets are her assets and her assets are his. With a joint bank account both parties can make a withdrawal legally without permission of the other. So if she contributes 20k he contributes 80k the household balance is 100k when divorced that 100k is split between both parties so she is entitled to 50k (+30k) and he gets 50k (-30k).

[@soulanstreets222]

@@chiidoraThey don’t consider sacrificing a career and taking care of house and home and children is sufficient enough to be entitled to 50% of the assets…even though she has done more than 50% of the work.

[@prasadi86]

I'm going to force you to have my baby, and now you can't leave me? 🤔

[@jonnyrondo507]

Exactly! Which womans gonna wanna get married with that🐂💩

[@jrenee3550]

Exactly! The entire point. The freedom they talk about is their "freedom" to control others and force their beliefs on others

[@scandalousmisconduct4637]

People eventually won't get married anymore. It's just not worth it.

[@carlosalejandre1000]

maybe one day you will realize that marriage is a scam from religion, you can fall in love and just live with someone and have kids, you dont need the goverment to get involved to live your life, if marriage disappears it isint going to change the world much at all

[@mrcrhartman]

If the law required walking out of the marriage without alimony and a base assumption of 50/50 child custody this would have zero momentum. I've never been married, never will, so I have no dog in this fight, but I used to be a divorce attorney...believe me, when it comes to public momentum in support of this, this is ALL about money, not about wanting people to have to stay married.

[@monterreymxisfun3627]

Reforming no-fault alimony would be good enough. Even better would be child support attached to a restricted EBT card so it's actually spent on the children.

[@CanadianSmoke]

Eliminating No Fault gives the freedom to the husband to mess around on the side and still have a housewife, to make his meals, wash his clothes, keep his house clean and raise his children. No wonder religion is losing traction.

[@olukoredefakorede1422]

Your argument is anti-men. It also presumes that husbands are the only ones at fault in dysfunctional marriages.

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

Exactly!

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

@@olukoredefakorede1422…😂I guess facts are “anti-men.”

[@CanadianSmoke]

@@olukoredefakorede1422 Hmm... then, you defend No Fault Divorce? People sometimes grow differently and love evaporates... walk away with no hard feelings and no fault.

[@olukoredefakorede1422]

@@CanadianSmoke My comment was solely directed at your earlier comment.

[@TheBlkQueen]

I can just see the decline in marriages now.

[@timothymcconnell9343]

It would be a decline in divorce when you stop incentives.

[@TheBlkQueen]

@@timothymcconnell9343 like prenups? Possibly, but seems like most think in advance. So, I would think if a person was thinking about money after a marriage and they know they won’t get it and it’s their motivation, they probably wouldn’t get married, get married and cheat, or they may get married and resort to killing their spouse.

[@xjhonshmitx]

Why u call them right wing? Seems more like taleban USA , not just right wing

[@benjaminnunes9636]

Alimony and child support are the areas that need reform, not the divorce part. I think they want that because a lot of conservative men tend to be abusive spouses and want to trap women in a relationship

[@user-yo9pd5bl3d]

They are quite clear that they support it for the sake of children. Whether you agree or not I don't see the need to assume they are all secret wife beaters. That's ridiculous.

[@USATennis155]

That doesn’t make sense because they’re not banning fault divorce. If your spouse is abusive, absolutely you should have the right to get divorced. But if you have kids and you decide you’re not happy or you like someone better you should not have the right to break up a family and you should have the responsibility to find a way to get along with your kids other parents for them. If you don’t have kids, I don’t care what you do.

[@andrina118]

@@user-yo9pd5bl3d true, some of them are convicted wife-beaters. They should all come out of the domestic abuse closet

[@andrina118]

@@USATennis155 So they have to go to court and PROVE their spouse is abusive? Are you a lawyer or married to one? The whole point of no-fault divorce is avoid all that nonsense

[@USATennis155]

@@andrina118 if you make a lifelong commitment, you should have a good reason to go back on it. If you need to take more time or do more serious vetting before marriage that’s a positive thing. If one person wants out and doesn’t have a good reason, the other person wants to keep the family together. Sorry you made a commitment. Suck it up or prove you need out. I personally believe your family commitment is more important than your personal happiness. Once again, if you don’t have kids in the house, I don’t care what you do.

[@juancarlosalonso5664]

They’re really trying to go back to the middle ages, damn.

[@vandal280]

It's truly wild the way that the GOP wants to transfer all of the wealth from Working Families to corporations and all of the regulations from corporations to Working Families

[@timothymcconnell9343]

Irony, it's the Left and Chamber of Commerce who have selling the lie that working for the man is freedom.

[@robertmckenna9084]

Why are there so many people so concerned with what strangers do if they put as much effort as they put into their half-assed arguments into actually doing something productive we'd be better off as a people.

[@jackchop1576]

They won't support at fault divorces when they are the ones at fault.

[@yurdp]

Well Ben despite your fascist ideals, not everyone feels the same way you do about how marriage should work.

[@derrickscott9469]

Why should anyone seeking a divorce have to prove "fault" to a court? People can marry for any reason they see fit. So they should be able to divorce for any reason they see fit. Shouldn't it be that simple or am I missing something here?

[@chiidora]

Except you can't marry a person for citizenship and money for some reason 😮

[@alexanderthompson-rq7nx]

yes

[@marquesiam7514]

Isn’t that just dating? Marriage is a contract, if in the contract when you begin, it says till death do us part, then it should be till death, unless there are extenuating circumstances. If You cannot honor the contract that you made with another person just date

[@derrickscott9469]

@@marquesiam7514 okay...I still don't get why "fault" matters. Maybe for pre-nups, child custody and such, but not for the marriage itself.

[@DeadPiixxel]

don't get married at all

[@jesse_cole]

You want Gilead. Just say you want Gilead.

[@KamikaziHobbit]

Imagine thinking that being married to someone means you own them for life. What a self report lol!

[@user-yo9pd5bl3d]

And they own you?

[@Takobella]

@@user-yo9pd5bl3dNobody owns anybody

[@KamikaziHobbit]

@@user-yo9pd5bl3d I don't think you understand what no fault divorce means. I would look it up and maybe educate yourself. It's literally the opposite of what you just said lol

[@KamikaziHobbit]

@@Takobella exactly, hence the term no fault divorce. it's baked into the name.

[@TravelLoverForLife]

Except that you DO own each other in God's eyes. 1 Cor. 7 teaches that in a married relationship a man's body is for his wife's enjoyment and her body is for him.

[@shanebarker3131]

All comes back to christo-fascist paranoia over Islamic birthrates

[@zenster1097]

Shut up.

[@ChristineVress]

Its completely unethical for a government to force people who don't want to be married to stay married You aren't saving good marriages by forcing people to stay....If the marriage was good neither will want to leave

[@Divine_Health_And_Fitness]

My best friend would be DEAD if she didn’t get divorced. He literally tired to kill her.

[@Lazcanorealestate]

In Texas the law is very stupid if your wife cheats and she doesn’t want to get divorce you need to wait a year and if she cheats and haves a baby you need to wait until the child is born I’m very miserable of people putting those stupid laws

[@jillmac2000]

weird. If they have the recipe of a good marriage, why would they be concerned with divorce? Shouldn't they have the blueprint for successful marriages 🤔

[@pitbossea]

Closer to a theocracy than a democracy is their goal.

[@PrinceVigilanteX]

This is so dumb. They make it about "protecting the kids" but if one parent wants to get divorced then their relationship isn't good. So raising kids in a household with to parents who don't get along is just as bad as having separated parents. But at least in the case of separated parents, the parents are probably healthier since they're not stuck with a terrible spouse every day

[@vmoses1979]

The stats say 2 parent households produce more well adjusted kids. Look it up. I don't think men would care about no fault divorce if the women didn't get financially rewarded for initiating it.

[@larryc1616]

​@@vmoses1979the nuance is that a wife beater marriage is not healthy for anyone.

[@migueltan3257]

Are they aware that their parties candidate has been divorced twice?

[@sarah2.017]

And had a child (Tiffany) out of wedlock! "Oh, but that's different."

[@MartinOlminkhof]

Actually, you can end a contract with no one at fault

[@emmajones8590]

Exactly. Happens all the time with an employment contract. There doesn't have to be anything wrong with either employer or employee when a job ends. If they used that 'no fault' system, the only way to leave a job or to let an employee who wanted to leave go, would be to get the sack for doing something badly wrong, or going to court to prove that your employer was an AH and you had no choice but to leave. Otherwise you'd be stuck with each other, until retirement, bankruptcy or death you do part. You can also stop a house renting contract, without your landlord being a complete jerk. Stop hiring a car or van, idem dito.

[@pauliexcluded1]

Hmmm…. A man who admittedly can’t satisfy his wife, a man who emotionally abused his wife, and a man who we assume something awful will come out soon, detests no fault divorce….

[@ihill6533]

Why would anyone ever get married?

[@leannefranson1198]

Apparently in the US, a lot get married to be covered by their partner's health insurance. I know a lot of gays get married so they have inheritance rights, decision making and legal rights if their partner is incapacitated, rights to their house, children etc, vs being considered not related, no more than a roommate, and estranged blood relations having all the legal rights.

[@thedarkinfj4998]

I can't wait to see the shocked Pikachu face when the marriage rates drop like a stone

[@miggyalejandro]

"In today's legal system, my beliefs don't matter" - Steven Crowder "You're damn right it doesn't" - Anyone with a functioning brain.

[@rossdilworth3412]

Yeah, one person in the marriage saying.. "I don't want to be with you anymore." Lets just force them to stay together... Is that the argument?

[@davidhand9721]

They're not willing to engage with that reality. They're stuck at "marriage good", and there is no further nuance.

[@TravelLoverForLife]

The spouse that wants to walk away should be required to pay the other spouse for walking away from a lifelong commitment. This is one thing that some Islamic countries do right. A husband there gives his wife a dowry when the marriage begins that is legally hers if he dies or mistreats her. If she walks away from the marriage without good cause, however, she forfeits every penny of it, and rightly so.

[@demond1818]

No, the courts won't make a couple stay together. It'll just stop spouses from benefitting from a divorce. As it stands currently, a woman can cheat on her husband and still collect alimony if he chooses to divorce her for adultery. No fault divorce rewards bad behavior.

[@rossdilworth3412]

@@TravelLoverForLife that's insane. My mom walked out on my dad and she was a teacher who was a single mom. She should pay my dad? It's the other way around w child support genius.

[@rossdilworth3412]

@@demond1818 what if the woman is cheating Bec the spouse is abusive? Adultery isn't illegal genius. I don't wanna get into people's bedroom and sex lives. None of my business.

[@YunaElphabaLovegood]

Oh yeah... kids LOVE to be with unhappy parents who berate each other all the time. Model it to your kids how much you HATE the person you are married to now. That will make them really love their life and their parents and have stable happy relationships just like they one they experineced growing up! Let's all be imprisoned in relationships we do not want to have and be absolutely miserable and hate each other together because two people chose to sign a piece of paper one day! Let's have children live in fear and misery! What could possibly go wrong?! Also... of course contracts can be disolved without anyone being at fault. "Changing ones mind" is not illegal. But these Republican pundits would love it to be, it seems...

[@CharlesNyonga]

How many times has Trump been divorced?

[@gmatos0625]

More thqn he can count, 3.

[@eavesdropper0]

Thats a great point

[@markremy4946]

I can't even believe men today would even THINK about getting married!Don't they know about what happened to their friends and relatives who got slammed in 'family' court??!!??

[@cloutfisher7714]

It frustrates me who Republicans posture themselves as the party of freedom, yet support so many anti-freedom policies

[@lyssiez]

men just dont die mysteriously in their sleep after an off tasting cup of coffee like they used to.

[@coryluke12]

see you en tee

[@miscalotastuff733]

Women will commit suicide by the loads. Taking their kids with them. That was how it used to be.

[@herrguru4264]

very true. *Some people seem confused about ending "No fault" divorce. They think it is completely "ending divorce" for women.* - *Women can still get divorced anytime they like.* It simply means that the person who destroys the marriage, doesnt get paid for destroying the marriage. - *Women can still get divorced anytime they like.* It simply means they have to proof that the husband was "abusive", instead of *just claiming "he was abusive".* - *Women can still get divorced anytime they like.* They simply cant pretend the men is at fault, for women deciding to destroy an entire family. - *Women can still get divorced anytime they like.* It simply means they cant just wake up 6am in the morning, decide to divorce and then take half of the mans money with them and get alimony for life.

[@mrgees100peas]

Judge: You cant divorce your spouce just because you dont like them. You need to do onenof the item in the list like for example infidelity. Me: ok, I'll find angirlfriend then I'll videotape me and my new girlfriend having sex and bring it to you then. Will so your honor?

[@mister_ray]

Zero reason to have the state sanction a relationship.

[@JmsLnd9]

J.D. Vance said that divorce causes dysfunctional families. I can tell you from first hand experience (as a child) that living in a household where there is an unhappy marriage causes a dysfunctional family as well. I joke that people tell me they were traumatized when their parents got divorced and I tell them that I was traumatized when my parents stayed together.

[@timothymcconnell9343]

I guess you will never know.

[@smurfys_world]

Never been married. 1st serious relationship lasted 25 years, he died. Was still my bff until he drew his last breath... I'm so lucky to have found another awesome man, going on a decade and he still opens my door and treats me like his queen and I take care of him. These fools want to force someone to stay with them.

[@jim2498]

That not what it means. So according to your logic you shouldn't have opinion about this. Because you will never get married. By the way if that guy is still doing that for you he is either got a different woman or man. Or you are his sugar momma

[@smurfys_world]

@@jim2498 ahhh....such sadness for you. Can't believe two people can actually take care and love one another for longer than a few years. I'm sorry for your wife...or you're an incel.... woman hater.

[@yomilala8929]

@@jim2498 We are all entitled to have an opinion. But there are opinions that are inherently smarter, better, nicer, kinder, more humane and more pro-freedom than others The "I want to force women to stay in unhappy marriages forever" is an awful opinion. You're entitled to your opinion just like any smart and humane person is entitled to tell you how disgusting your opinion objectively is.

[@jim2498]

@@yomilala8929 then you need to shut about Is abortion. Second you don't know what you are talking about. That is not what they are saying

[@jim2498]

@@yomilala8929 by the way if you vote for democrats you are very ill-informed about politics. And you have proven with your comment

[@carole2403xqv1]

Tim Pool is married how many years? 0.

[@michellecooper6013]

So, there will be a lot less legal marriages .

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

😂why are these ppl against coparenting? Divorce, when done right, affects children very little IF the parents coparent properly.

[@OnyemaechiAmuro]

Better not to get married in the first place. 🙄

[@rainbeauxunicorn5237]

@@OnyemaechiAmuro…I agree but my opinion doesn’t matter. Ppl will do what they want.

[@Appsmmogamer]

I think you are missing the point here. Get rid of alimony and the dividing of the assets and I bet you they won't have a problem with it. That's the whole reason why they want this to protect their finances. Can you blame men for that?

[@waynesmith-hr9cx]

Is the family legal system skewed to women, yes. However, if a woman raised kids, took care of the home for X# of years while the husband worked she should be eligible to the assets.

[@mrjones422]

Crowder and plenty of other men verbally and mentally abuse their wives though. You could see in their arguing that he said he would not "agree" to a divorce. So saying that it is only financial is not true. There is a control aspect as well. A lot of the old school thinking is that a wife should be obedient, not just loyal, obedient and most of these men argue that a woman should deal with it no matter what. This is an old religious way to view marriage. As far as alimony and asset division there are good reasons for this, and for the traditional wife, it is especially important. That type of woman has no money of her own, nothing she she has accumulated through the time of the marriage with her own money, so she is literally supported by the husband. So a person that has tied and put all of their life into that type of lifestyle would have nothing and be homeless with no job experience. On the flip side what is despised is the gold digger that marries for financial reasons and intentionally wants to take half of the assets in a divorce. Typically divorcing early into the marriage. THAT should be argued against for the protection of men. Bottom line is that no fault divorce allows for the free autonomy of an individual to choose to remain in a marriage or leave it. In a society that promotes "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness", I have heard no argument as to why we should force people to stay married to someone they don't want to be married to. That's insane.